Evolution and flat earth on "The View"

headscratcher4 · 5th December 2007, 07:22 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehWv_qlKxSg

oh my.

Beerina · 5th December 2007, 09:21 AM

I'm at work, was this the one where one of the hosts didn't know if the Earth was round or flat?

She should rightly be embarassed to open her mouth on any subject whatsoever.

headscratcher4 · 5th December 2007, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

I'm at work, was this the one where one of the hosts didn't know if the Earth was round or flat?

She should rightly be embarassed to open her mouth on any subject whatsoever.

Yes...

To be on TV means...from the President to I Love NY II -- no one is embarassed to open their mouths. It is what makes our culture so dynamic.

Seismosaurus · 5th December 2007, 12:53 PM

What seems weird to me is that she's pretty obviously lying. I mean, she's claiming that she has no opinion on whether the world is round or not? I would say it is literally impossible to have grown up in modern day America and not have seen dozens of pictures of the Earth; globes, photos taken from space, science fiction movies, you name it. These are not something you can live your life and be unaware of!

So it's not that she's genuinely ignorant... she just doesn't want to express an opinion for some reason.

-Fran- · 5th December 2007, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Seismosaurus

What seems weird to me is that she's pretty obviously lying. I mean, she's claiming that she has no opinion on whether the world is round or not? I would say it is literally impossible to have grown up in modern day America and not have seen dozens of pictures of the Earth; globes, photos taken from space, science fiction movies, you name it. These are not something you can live your life and be unaware of!

So it's not that she's genuinely ignorant... she just doesn't want to express an opinion for some reason.

I think she acts like that because she seems to think that ignorance is something good. She states that she doesn't care about knowing stuff, she just cares about taking care of her child, then she expects people to praise the priority she makes. She seems not to understand that a kid needs a mom that is at least slightly more intelligent and knowing than a balloon

apmason · 5th December 2007, 02:42 PM

She will not make a statement of opinion on this matter b/c she is supposed to represent a specific demographic in their audience. That demographic recognizes the inconsistency of their own belief but cannot state it b/c it would have negative repercussions in all the aspects of their life that arent happening while watching the "view." When she says that she would rather take care of her kid, she is really speaking in code for "no comment."

Ladewig · 5th December 2007, 03:15 PM

When you find Whoppi Goldberg talking down to you, then you should probably consider either getting an education or, if you already have one, getting a job where you don't have to be afraid to say "the world is round."

triadboy · 5th December 2007, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

When you find Whoppi Goldberg talking down to you, then you should probably consider either getting an education or, if you already have one, getting a job where you don't have to be afraid to say "the world is round."

She's not afraid to say it - she just needs to go to the library first.

ravdin · 5th December 2007, 04:02 PM

Wow.

Talk about glorifying anti-intellectualism. That woman would be an ideal citizen of a banana republic.

Lisa Simpson · 5th December 2007, 04:10 PM

Same woman as referenced in this thread, where she talks about how Christianity was the first religion.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=100407

Paul C. Anagnostopoulos · 5th December 2007, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by apmason

When she says that she would rather take care of her kid, she is really speaking in code for "no comment."

Agreed.

But why? Why in the name of all that is holy would she do that?

~~ Paul

grayman · 5th December 2007, 09:46 PM

Seems like this is as good a place as any for this post:

Quote:

David Letterman's Top Ten Reasons Why Network News Producers Do Not Give Science More Air time:

Number Ten: They are unable to locate file footage of the Big Bang.
Number Nine: They think that high-temperature superconductors are too hot to handle.
Number Eight: El Niño is covered by the weather department.
Number Seven: They already did the O.J. DNA story.
Number Six: They are unable to find information about semiconductors in the music section of the library.
Number Five: They are afraid of reporting on dark matter because they think it is contagious.
Number Four: They are waiting for cold fusion.
Number Three: They think that the greatest scientific achievement is Tang.
Number Two: They wouldn't know the superconducting supercollider from a hole in the ground.
And the number one reason why network news producers do not give science more air time: Scientists are from Mars . . . Journalists from Venus.

Thanks to Denver Skeptic Linda.

-Fran- · 5th December 2007, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos

Agreed.

But why? Why in the name of all that is holy would she do that?

~~ Paul

You might all be right that that's it. It's sad though, if that's the case, that anyone would be cautious to speak up on the fact that the earth is round. I'd rather lose some viewers...

Fidelio · 5th December 2007, 10:37 PM

If you notice at the beginning of the clip the discussion involves evolution. It then seems to move to a general discussion of the scientific method.

Given that:

A) Evolution is a wildly hot button issue for a certain demographic and

B) Evolution is a scientific pursuit therefore

C) Outright agreement with any scientific finding will (especially in the time compressed nature of a TV show) seem to lead to a slippery slope, which may

D) Affect ones popularity with said demographic, leading

E) To an interruption or diminishment of income.

Therefore the fall back to "Won't someone think of the children."

(,.,.,;.;. for the punctuation folks use as needed)

H3LL · 5th December 2007, 11:09 PM

One of the comments on that video made me smile:

Quote:

GOD KILLED 13 PUPPIES WHEN HE SAW THAT VIDEO

Is it getting so that it's not PC to agree with any science?

.

qayak · 5th December 2007, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by -Fran-

I think she acts like that because she seems to think that ignorance is something good. She states that she doesn't care about knowing stuff, she just cares about taking care of her child, then she expects people to praise the priority she makes. She seems not to understand that a kid needs a mom that is at least slightly more intelligent and knowing than a balloon

As Chris Rock put it, "She's keepin' it real . . . real ***** stupid!"

UnrepentantSinner · 6th December 2007, 12:25 AM

Wow, Elisablather isn't the most scientifically ignorant person on that show any more.

5th December 2007, 07:22 AM	#1
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5th December 2007, 09:21 AM	#2
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	I'm at work, was this the one where one of the hosts didn't know if the Earth was round or flat? She should rightly be embarassed to open her mouth on any subject whatsoever.
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5th December 2007, 09:33 AM	#3
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	Originally Posted by Beerina I'm at work, was this the one where one of the hosts didn't know if the Earth was round or flat? She should rightly be embarassed to open her mouth on any subject whatsoever. Yes... To be on TV means...from the President to I Love NY II -- no one is embarassed to open their mouths. It is what makes our culture so dynamic.
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5th December 2007, 12:53 PM	#4
Seismosaurus Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Banbury Posts: 3,538	What seems weird to me is that she's pretty obviously lying. I mean, she's claiming that she has no opinion on whether the world is round or not? I would say it is literally impossible to have grown up in modern day America and not have seen dozens of pictures of the Earth; globes, photos taken from space, science fiction movies, you name it. These are not something you can live your life and be unaware of! So it's not that she's genuinely ignorant... she just doesn't want to express an opinion for some reason.
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5th December 2007, 02:09 PM	#5
-Fran- Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,581	Originally Posted by Seismosaurus What seems weird to me is that she's pretty obviously lying. I mean, she's claiming that she has no opinion on whether the world is round or not? I would say it is literally impossible to have grown up in modern day America and not have seen dozens of pictures of the Earth; globes, photos taken from space, science fiction movies, you name it. These are not something you can live your life and be unaware of! So it's not that she's genuinely ignorant... she just doesn't want to express an opinion for some reason. I think she acts like that because she seems to think that ignorance is something good. She states that she doesn't care about knowing stuff, she just cares about taking care of her child, then she expects people to praise the priority she makes. She seems not to understand that a kid needs a mom that is at least slightly more intelligent and knowing than a balloon
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5th December 2007, 02:42 PM	#6
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5th December 2007, 03:15 PM	#7
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,786	When you find Whoppi Goldberg talking down to you, then you should probably consider either getting an education or, if you already have one, getting a job where you don't have to be afraid to say "the world is round."
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5th December 2007, 03:24 PM	#8
triadboy Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 2,556	Originally Posted by Ladewig When you find Whoppi Goldberg talking down to you, then you should probably consider either getting an education or, if you already have one, getting a job where you don't have to be afraid to say "the world is round." She's not afraid to say it - she just needs to go to the library first.

5th December 2007, 04:02 PM	#9
ravdin Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 3,553	Wow. Talk about glorifying anti-intellectualism. That woman would be an ideal citizen of a banana republic.

5th December 2007, 04:10 PM	#10
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5th December 2007, 06:19 PM	#11
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Nap, interrupted. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: a little toolshed Posts: 18,588	Originally Posted by apmason When she says that she would rather take care of her kid, she is really speaking in code for "no comment." Agreed. But why? Why in the name of all that is holy would she do that? ~~ Paul
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5th December 2007, 09:46 PM	#12
grayman Happy-go-lucky Heretic Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Casa del Whacko Posts: 6,142	Seems like this is as good a place as any for this post: Quote: David Letterman's Top Ten Reasons Why Network News Producers Do Not Give Science More Air time: Number Ten: They are unable to locate file footage of the Big Bang. Number Nine: They think that high-temperature superconductors are too hot to handle. Number Eight: El Niño is covered by the weather department. Number Seven: They already did the O.J. DNA story. Number Six: They are unable to find information about semiconductors in the music section of the library. Number Five: They are afraid of reporting on dark matter because they think it is contagious. Number Four: They are waiting for cold fusion. Number Three: They think that the greatest scientific achievement is Tang. Number Two: They wouldn't know the superconducting supercollider from a hole in the ground. And the number one reason why network news producers do not give science more air time: Scientists are from Mars . . . Journalists from Venus. Thanks to Denver Skeptic Linda.
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5th December 2007, 09:53 PM	#13
-Fran- Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,581	Originally Posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Agreed. But why? Why in the name of all that is holy would she do that? ~~ Paul You might all be right that that's it. It's sad though, if that's the case, that anyone would be cautious to speak up on the fact that the earth is round. I'd rather lose some viewers...
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5th December 2007, 10:37 PM	#14
Fidelio Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The island of Atlanta Posts: 554	If you notice at the beginning of the clip the discussion involves evolution. It then seems to move to a general discussion of the scientific method. Given that: A) Evolution is a wildly hot button issue for a certain demographic and B) Evolution is a scientific pursuit therefore C) Outright agreement with any scientific finding will (especially in the time compressed nature of a TV show) seem to lead to a slippery slope, which may D) Affect ones popularity with said demographic, leading E) To an interruption or diminishment of income. Therefore the fall back to "Won't someone think of the children." (,.,.,;.;. for the punctuation folks use as needed)
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5th December 2007, 11:09 PM	#15
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5th December 2007, 11:41 PM	#16
qayak Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8,710	Originally Posted by -Fran- I think she acts like that because she seems to think that ignorance is something good. She states that she doesn't care about knowing stuff, she just cares about taking care of her child, then she expects people to praise the priority she makes. She seems not to understand that a kid needs a mom that is at least slightly more intelligent and knowing than a balloon As Chris Rock put it, "She's keepin' it real . . . real ***** stupid!"
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6th December 2007, 12:25 AM	#17
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