Applied Kinesiology & Priming

saizai · 17th December 2007, 08:03 PM

I'm too lazy to explain AK and priming here; so please google them. "Priming" is a term from cognitive linguistics.

AK may be useless for testing the properties of a substance or its interaction with someone's body, but... it is probably effective as one test of priming. (E.g. someone thinks x is bad -> holding x makes them act weakly, & vice versa)

Perhaps this would in itself be useful, e.g. as a psychometric test?

athon · 17th December 2007, 10:56 PM

What do you mean by 'test of priming'? You can prime an individual, but your statement of 'test of priming' makes no sense.

Maybe it's best if you don't be lazy and actually a) explain what you think priming means (and applied kinesiology, for that matter), and b) how you think they can be used in conjunction with one another in a psychometric test.

Athon

saizai · 17th December 2007, 11:31 PM

I mean a 'test of priming' as in e.g. "the reaction time to determine hidden racial / gender / etc biases" test that you can find online. Google it.

arthwollipot · 17th December 2007, 11:41 PM

OK, I'll bite - I'm familiar with the type of test you describe (it was covered in the book Blink), but I'm not seeing how it relates to applied kinesiology. Is there a link that I've missed?

And please don't ask me to google it.

saizai · 18th December 2007, 12:13 AM

The link is just that the effects of non-blinded AK are, presumably, psychosomatic in the same way as those of the reaction time tests.

And thus, you could use it to test, not the effects of the item, but the subject's (subconscious or conscious) beliefs / attitudes about it.

Dunno how *useful* that is, but hey at least it's something?

casebro · 18th December 2007, 07:35 AM

Saizai is saying that 'priming' is the ideomotor effect, I guess? Duh.

saizai · 18th December 2007, 02:49 PM

I'm presuming it's an ideomotor effect, because I've read multiple studies that show (and leverage) this.

What I'm talking/asking about is whether this particular one might serve some actually useful purpose.

athon · 18th December 2007, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by saizai

I'm presuming it's an ideomotor effect, because I've read multiple studies that show (and leverage) this.

What I'm talking/asking about is whether this particular one might serve some actually useful purpose.

Perhaps. Need to see the evidence of it in action.

Athon

arthwollipot · 18th December 2007, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by saizai

What I'm talking/asking about is whether this particular one might serve some actually useful purpose.

As much as a placebo, I suppose.

Henners · 19th December 2007, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by athon

What do you mean by 'test of priming'? You can prime an individual, but your statement of 'test of priming' makes no sense.

Maybe it's best if you don't be lazy and actually a) explain what you think priming means (and applied kinesiology, for that matter), and b) how you think they can be used in conjunction with one another in a psychometric test.

Athon

Priming:

Ask someone to spell "SHOP"

Then ask them what they do when they come to a green light.

Works 90% of the time.

Henners · 19th December 2007, 03:04 AM

It has occurred to me that if you are one of the 90%, you may not get it.

On encountering a green light, you go.

Soapy Sam · 19th December 2007, 03:10 AM

I'm too lazy to google.
Can someone explain what this is about?

Jekyll · 19th December 2007, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by Soapy Sam

I'm too lazy to google.
Can someone explain what this is about?

You know that thing where you hold something, in a box in your hand, and people attempt to see if you have an allergy to it by whether you get weaker from holding it?
(It's like superman with kryptonite)

That's the AK stuff Salizi is talking about. He's just brainstorming for an actual use for the method.

Soapy Sam · 19th December 2007, 04:06 AM

I hadn't heard of that. I just tried it though.
It seems I'm allergic to tools.

Actually, there may be something to this...

17th December 2007, 08:03 PM	#1
saizai Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,328	Applied Kinesiology & Priming I'm too lazy to explain AK and priming here; so please google them. "Priming" is a term from cognitive linguistics. AK may be useless for testing the properties of a substance or its interaction with someone's body, but... it is probably effective as one test of priming. (E.g. someone thinks x is bad -> holding x makes them act weakly, & vice versa) Perhaps this would in itself be useful, e.g. as a psychometric test?
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17th December 2007, 11:31 PM	#3
saizai Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,328	I mean a 'test of priming' as in e.g. "the reaction time to determine hidden racial / gender / etc biases" test that you can find online. Google it.
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17th December 2007, 11:41 PM	#4
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: On the other side of your screen. Posts: 31,085	OK, I'll bite - I'm familiar with the type of test you describe (it was covered in the book Blink), but I'm not seeing how it relates to applied kinesiology. Is there a link that I've missed? And please don't ask me to google it.
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18th December 2007, 12:13 AM	#5
saizai Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,328	The link is just that the effects of non-blinded AK are, presumably, psychosomatic in the same way as those of the reaction time tests. And thus, you could use it to test, not the effects of the item, but the subject's (subconscious or conscious) beliefs / attitudes about it. Dunno how useful that is, but hey at least it's something?
saizai Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,328	__________________ Friendly advice: if in an argument with me, don't make tons of fallacies or you'll just embarass yourself when I call you on 'em. Kthx! See my Youtube videos for more good argument, as well as bits about my various other interests, like ASL, cogsci, neurosci, meditation, cooking, etc.

18th December 2007, 07:35 AM	#6
casebro Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,204	Saizai is saying that 'priming' is the ideomotor effect, I guess? Duh.
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17th December 2007, 10:56 PM	#2
athon Kowalski Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: gone Posts: 9,286	What do you mean by 'test of priming'? You can prime an individual, but your statement of 'test of priming' makes no sense. Maybe it's best if you don't be lazy and actually a) explain what you think priming means (and applied kinesiology, for that matter), and b) how you think they can be used in conjunction with one another in a psychometric test. Athon

18th December 2007, 02:49 PM	#7
saizai Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,328	I'm presuming it's an ideomotor effect, because I've read multiple studies that show (and leverage) this. What I'm talking/asking about is whether this particular one might serve some actually useful purpose.
saizai Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,328	__________________ Friendly advice: if in an argument with me, don't make tons of fallacies or you'll just embarass yourself when I call you on 'em. Kthx! See my Youtube videos for more good argument, as well as bits about my various other interests, like ASL, cogsci, neurosci, meditation, cooking, etc.

18th December 2007, 03:21 PM	#8
athon Kowalski Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: gone Posts: 9,286	Originally Posted by saizai I'm presuming it's an ideomotor effect, because I've read multiple studies that show (and leverage) this. What I'm talking/asking about is whether this particular one might serve some actually useful purpose. Perhaps. Need to see the evidence of it in action. Athon

18th December 2007, 06:25 PM	#9
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: On the other side of your screen. Posts: 31,085	Originally Posted by saizai What I'm talking/asking about is whether this particular one might serve some actually useful purpose. As much as a placebo, I suppose.
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19th December 2007, 01:43 AM	#10
Henners Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 766	Originally Posted by athon What do you mean by 'test of priming'? You can prime an individual, but your statement of 'test of priming' makes no sense. Maybe it's best if you don't be lazy and actually a) explain what you think priming means (and applied kinesiology, for that matter), and b) how you think they can be used in conjunction with one another in a psychometric test. Athon Priming: Ask someone to spell "SHOP" Then ask them what they do when they come to a green light. Works 90% of the time.
Henners Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 766

19th December 2007, 03:04 AM	#11
Henners Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 766	It has occurred to me that if you are one of the 90%, you may not get it. On encountering a green light, you go.
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19th December 2007, 03:10 AM	#12
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 19,602	I'm too lazy to google. Can someone explain what this is about?
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19th December 2007, 03:59 AM	#13
Jekyll Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The other other place Posts: 1,589	Originally Posted by Soapy Sam I'm too lazy to google. Can someone explain what this is about? You know that thing where you hold something, in a box in your hand, and people attempt to see if you have an allergy to it by whether you get weaker from holding it? (It's like superman with kryptonite) That's the AK stuff Salizi is talking about. He's just brainstorming for an actual use for the method.
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19th December 2007, 04:06 AM	#14
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 19,602	I hadn't heard of that. I just tried it though. It seems I'm allergic to tools. Actually, there may be something to this...
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