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alexg · 24th December 2007, 01:23 PM

Didn't know if I should post this here or under general skepticism and the paranormal but had to choose one. Below is a list of 911 'number coincidences' some guy posted at another forum. I assume the problem with this, and other numerological claims, is that the total numer of possible 911 'number facts' you could list is quite massive and that out of that massive number it will be possible to cherry pick a few zingers. But I would be intersted to hear from anyone here who could debunk this list a little better than I can. I'd also be interested in any good links to numerology debunking in general. Thanks.

here is the post:

Quote:

• The attacks took place on 9/11

• 9+1+1 = 11

• Each WTC Tower had 110 floors, which is a multiple of 11

• The aircraft which ultimately hit the Pentagon was American Airlines Flight 77. 77 is another multiple of 11

• American Airlines Flight 11, the first plane flown into World Trade Tower2, had 11 crewmembers. A total of 65 people were on Flight 11. 6+5 = 11

• The second plane, United Airlines Flight 175, hit the World Trade Tower 1 at 9:02 AM. 9+2 = 11

• 9/11 is the 254th day of the year. 2+5+4 = 11

• After 9/11, there are 111 days left in the year

• New York City (where the major attack occurred) consists of 11 letters

• New York was the 11th state admitted into the Union

• President Bush ordered flags to fly at half mast until 9/22, making an 11 day period of mourning

There was more to it but I didn't want to make this post too long to read quickly. The entire thread can be found here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469641/...7&p=1#92529727

defaultdotxbe · 24th December 2007, 01:44 PM

number permeate every aspect of everything, and theres only 10 of them, so there are always going to be coincidences, so as you say its simply a matter of cherry picking what to focus on, and then cherry picking what do with those numbers

for example he sees significance in 110 being a multiple of 11, but also sees significance in 111, which isnt a mutiple of 11, but kinda looks like 11

he takes the flight number for 77, but the impact time for flight 175

he takes the name new york city, but not washington dc or shanksville

alexg · 24th December 2007, 01:59 PM

Thanks default. I found another post on this here at Jref which covered it pretty well but I'm happy to hear more.

Brainache · 24th December 2007, 02:02 PM

Of course we all know that 1 1 was a racehorse,
1 2 was one too...

Jonnyclueless · 24th December 2007, 02:16 PM

Imagine the conspiracy theories if we words on a binary number system which is much more efficient than a base 10 digit system. No more old school only 1 in 10 chance of a digit appearing in two values.

danielk · 24th December 2007, 09:06 PM

Wow, that's a nearly perfect match of the South Park depiction of the Twoofer argument, the only difference being that Cartman worked with different numbers.

"That's... retarded!"

Oh and I think you got the on-the-spot debunking pretty much right, alexg. It's completely meaningless pattern searching.

portlandatheist · 24th December 2007, 11:14 PM

Well, if there was ever proof that 911 was an inside job, this is surely it.

HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP · 25th December 2007, 02:12 AM

9+1+1= 11
I see a problem with this.
Since month's digit numbers are never read individually,Sept can't de read 1-1 but 11.
So it has to be added as 9+11=20

e^n · 25th December 2007, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP

9+1+1= 11
I see a problem with this.
Since month's digit numbers are never read individually,Sept can't de read 1-1 but 11.
So it has to be added as 9+11=20

2+0=2
9+2=11
9/11

Proof.

dbalsdon · 25th December 2007, 06:47 AM

The funniest thing i've ever found in response to this is:

Quote:

Oh my God! How worried should I be? There are 11 letters in the name "David Pawson!" I'm going into hiding NOW. See you in a few weeks.

Wait a sec ... just realized "YOU CAN'T HIDE" also has 11 letters!

What am I gonna do? Help me!!! The terrorists are after me! ME! I can't believe it!

Oh crap, there must be someplace on the planet Earth I could hide! But no ..."PLANET EARTH" has 11 letters, too!

Maybe Nostradamus can help me. But dare I trust him? There are 11 letters in "NOSTRADAMUS."

I know, the Red Cross can help. No they can't... 11 letters in "THE RED CROSS," can't trust them.

I would rely on self defense, but "SELF DEFENSE" has 11 letters in it, too! Can someone help?

Anyone? If so, send me email. No, don't... "SEND ME EMAIL" has 11 letters....

Will this never end? I'm going insane! "GOING INSANE???" Eleven letters!!

Nooooooooooo!!!!!! I guess I'll die alone, even though "I'LL DIE ALONE" has 11 letters....

Oh my God, I just realized that America is doomed! Our Independence Day is July 4th ... 7/4 ... 7+4=11!
- Dave

PS. "IT'S ********" has 11 letters also.

Miragememories · 25th December 2007, 06:52 AM

1 + 2 = 10,000.

7 = delay, after delay, after delay........

MM

Donal · 25th December 2007, 07:33 AM

Whats the number you dial in an emergency? 911.

What do most twoofers fall on a an IQ scale? Between 9 and 11.

Blue Mountain · 25th December 2007, 08:06 AM

The general case is our brains are pattern-seeking machines. Vision is largely interpreted by matching what we see with patterns (things that we remember seeing in the past.) A huge amount of speech processing is also pattern based: that's what grammar is, after all.

There's a term for our tendency to see patterns where none actually exist: Pareidolia^WP. A lot of Jesus and Virgin Mary sightings fall into this category.

Also, our tendency to seek and discover patterns is what's behind optical illusions.

The numerologists are applying our tendency to see patterns to numbers. A lot of their conclusions fall under the logical fallacy of affirming the consequent (they come to the conclusion first, then decide their path to get there had to be the cause.)

OldTigerCub · 25th December 2007, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP

9+1+1= 11
I see a problem with this.
Since month's digit numbers are never read individually,Sept can't de read 1-1 but 11.
So it has to be added as 9+11=20

Ummm....September is the 9 in the 9-11, not the 11....

danielk · 25th December 2007, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP

9+1+1= 11
I see a problem with this.
Since month's digit numbers are never read individually,Sept can't de read 1-1 but 11.
So it has to be added as 9+11=20

Apart from the day/month mix-up you have here, that would still be utter nonsense. You can view a date as written in a mixed number system, with the year in positional notation with base 10, the month as non-positional counter from 1 to 12 and likewise the day as counter with range [1,31], [1,30] or [1,28] depending on the value of the month, and range [1,29] for certain combinations of year and month value. Phew! What I actually wanted to say is this: adding the digits of the day counter is just as valid as summing up the digits of the month and day counters is. You're still adding digits of different base. That is to say, it isn't valid at all, no matter what.

Complete and utter BS either way. Except that it makes for a fun method to learn numbers by heart.

twinstead · 25th December 2007, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by danielk

Complete and utter BS either way. Except that it makes for a fun method to learn numbers by heart.

Killjoy

danielk · 25th December 2007, 07:01 PM

Always happy to serve.

soylent · 25th December 2007, 09:49 PM

What exactly does the accused party stand to benefit from choosing a date where the individual digits in day and month sum up to the number of the day?

This is just conspiratorial paranoia: There are no actual coincidences, only nefarious deeds meticulously planned and carried out to produce these supposed coincidences.

Jennie C. · 26th December 2007, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Jonnyclueless

Imagine the conspiracy theories if we words on a binary number system which is much more efficient than a base 10 digit system. No more old school only 1 in 10 chance of a digit appearing in two values.

And for Hitchhikers (Guide to the Galaxy) fans, "what do you get when you multiply 6 times 9" does, in fact, equal 42. Assuming you use base 13....

Frozenwolf150 · 26th December 2007, 04:18 PM

Oh, I got another one! The twin towers bore a resemblance to what number?

Looks like a giant 11 to me! Coincidence?

Originally Posted by danielk

Wow, that's a nearly perfect match of the South Park depiction of the Twoofer argument, the only difference being that Cartman worked with different numbers.

"That's... retarded!"

I loved that episode too.

Jono · 26th December 2007, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Silentknight

Looks like a giant 11 to me! Coincidence?

Indeed and phallic to boot, which makes sense considering the perpetrators were all men. They saw the size of the buildings phallic reach to the sky and became insanely jelous.

danielk · 26th December 2007, 04:35 PM

Ah, we have a post-modern feminist litcrit in our midst!

LashL · 27th December 2007, 12:19 AM

Heh. Of course, using numbers in the way that tinhatters, "numerologists" and other woo-merchants do, numbers can be manipulated so easily and so hilariously as to make them, and their purported "meaning" utterly meaningless. It is just too silly for words, frankly.

(If anyone requires further proof of this, see the "ET Corn Gods" thread... but only if you don't mind wasting several hours of your life only to find out that there ~~are some people~~ is at least one guy even nuttier than the diehard 9/11 conspiracy fantasists.)

Hokulele · 27th December 2007, 12:22 AM

Yet another reason for all countries to switch to Julian dating.

MetalPig · 27th December 2007, 12:42 AM

• The attacks took place on 9/11

9/11 = 0.818181... OMG INFINITE REPETITION!!!11q

Plantfoam · 27th December 2007, 01:08 AM

"Nine, nine, nine, that crazy number nine..."
-song from the old PBS show Square One

A multiple of nine always adds back up to nine! Nine is disinfo!

JimBenArm · 27th December 2007, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

Yet another reason for all countries to switch to Julian dating.

I dated a girl named Julian. She was nice enough, just no chemistry between us.

Furi · 27th December 2007, 05:38 AM

but 2001-09-11 = 1981

And that was a really REALLY Evil year, Eurovision was won by Bucks Fizz, How much proof do you need (won't even mention what it was like in the UK)

peteweaver · 27th December 2007, 06:44 AM

11 + 9 = 20.
11 x 9 = 99.
99 - 20 = 79.
11 / 9 = 1.222
911 x Pi = 2861.9909
Makes you think huh ?

danielk · 27th December 2007, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Furi

but 2001-09-11 = 1981

And that was a really REALLY Evil year, Eurovision was won by Bucks Fizz, How much proof do you need (won't even mention what it was like in the UK)

Dude, I was born that year!

Dr Adequate · 27th December 2007, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by soylent

What exactly does the accused party stand to benefit from choosing a date where the individual digits in day and month sum up to the number of the day?

Because of their secret Freemasonic religion.

I wish I was making this up.

Blue Mountain · 27th December 2007, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

Yet another reason for all countries to switch to Julian dating.

Well, I did a little bit of computation on this and got the following:

September 11 is the 254th day of the year. 2+5+4 = 11! OMG! What are the odds?

2001-254=1747. 1+7+4+7=19. The number of hijackers! WOW!

2001+254=2255. 22+55=77. TWO SEVENS! AMAZING! (I don't know how to tie that in to the events of September 11, but it must be important somehow!)

Just to assure fellow JREFers, I have not fallen into a big vat of woo. I'm having a little bit of fun at the numerologists' expense.

Diagoras · 27th December 2007, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Blue Mountain

2001+254=2255. 22+55=77. TWO SEVENS! AMAZING! (I don't know how to tie that in to the events of September 11, but it must be important somehow!)

The airplane that hit the Pentagon was Flight 77.

It looks like Bush and Cheney must have really sat down and crunched the numerology to figure out exactly where and when to attack. You'd think they'd base the details of their evil scheme on factors like how to best cover it up, how to best avoid failure or how to best get the public riled up, but I guess making sure there are lots of multiples of 11 was the biggest concern.

Chupacabras · 27th December 2007, 04:48 PM

The first time I read about this (shortly after the events), it came as an email joke. Totally funny. I remember this line:

The Iraq soccer team has 11 players!

PhantomWolf · 27th December 2007, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

number permeate every aspect of everything, and theres only 10 of them, so there are always going to be coincidences, so as you say its simply a matter of cherry picking what to focus on, and then cherry picking what do with those numbers

for example he sees significance in 110 being a multiple of 11, but also sees significance in 111, which isnt a mutiple of 11, but kinda looks like 11

he takes the flight number for 77, but the impact time for flight 175

he takes the name new york city, but not washington dc or shanksville

While I agree, 17+5 = 22 a muliple of 11, and it was the second flight (2 11's)

And Shanksville has 11 letters too. (Washington DC has 12 though)

Furi · 27th December 2007, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by danielk

Dude, I was born that year!

I now feel very very Age-d

see how ebul it was just for that one singular comment,forget the 2nd cold war collective tensioning of european sphincters, the riots and mass unemployment, the rise of disillusion and the birth of new militancy,

just that one comment was evil enough, it even offsets the rise of poodle haired aor. to borrow your avatars line.

YOU BASTARD...

heh heh you are ageing at a greater percentage rate than me nyah nyah ne nyah nyah.

danielk · 27th December 2007, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Furi

just that one comment was evil enough, it even offsets the rise of poodle haired aor. to borrow your avatars line.

YOU BASTARD...

Ha! Serves you right for insinuating my evilness! Thanks to your indiscreet blabber, my diabolical scheme to achieve world dictatorship has been thwarted!

Originally Posted by Furi

heh heh you are ageing at a greater percentage rate than me nyah nyah ne nyah nyah.

Really? Does that mean I could overtake you at some point?

Tweeter · 28th December 2007, 01:23 AM

MetalPig · 28th December 2007, 03:01 AM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

And Shanksville has 11 letters too.

Which proves that Shanksville was actually the intended target of flight 93.

Dogmeat · 28th December 2007, 03:05 AM

Cute.

I like how they add the numbers together to get 11, that makes it even easier to find patterns because now you're dealing with such a commonly occurring number.

24th December 2007, 01:23 PM	#1
alexg Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 534	911 number coincidences Didn't know if I should post this here or under general skepticism and the paranormal but had to choose one. Below is a list of 911 'number coincidences' some guy posted at another forum. I assume the problem with this, and other numerological claims, is that the total numer of possible 911 'number facts' you could list is quite massive and that out of that massive number it will be possible to cherry pick a few zingers. But I would be intersted to hear from anyone here who could debunk this list a little better than I can. I'd also be interested in any good links to numerology debunking in general. Thanks. here is the post: Quote: • The attacks took place on 9/11 • 9+1+1 = 11 • Each WTC Tower had 110 floors, which is a multiple of 11 • The aircraft which ultimately hit the Pentagon was American Airlines Flight 77. 77 is another multiple of 11 • American Airlines Flight 11, the first plane flown into World Trade Tower2, had 11 crewmembers. A total of 65 people were on Flight 11. 6+5 = 11 • The second plane, United Airlines Flight 175, hit the World Trade Tower 1 at 9:02 AM. 9+2 = 11 • 9/11 is the 254th day of the year. 2+5+4 = 11 • After 9/11, there are 111 days left in the year • New York City (where the major attack occurred) consists of 11 letters • New York was the 11th state admitted into the Union • President Bush ordered flags to fly at half mast until 9/22, making an 11 day period of mourning There was more to it but I didn't want to make this post too long to read quickly. The entire thread can be found here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469641/...7&p=1#92529727
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24th December 2007, 01:44 PM	#2
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	number permeate every aspect of everything, and theres only 10 of them, so there are always going to be coincidences, so as you say its simply a matter of cherry picking what to focus on, and then cherry picking what do with those numbers for example he sees significance in 110 being a multiple of 11, but also sees significance in 111, which isnt a mutiple of 11, but kinda looks like 11 he takes the flight number for 77, but the impact time for flight 175 he takes the name new york city, but not washington dc or shanksville
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24th December 2007, 01:59 PM	#3
alexg Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 534	Thanks default. I found another post on this here at Jref which covered it pretty well but I'm happy to hear more.
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24th December 2007, 02:02 PM	#4
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24th December 2007, 09:06 PM	#6
danielk Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Berlin Posts: 1,077	Wow, that's a nearly perfect match of the South Park depiction of the Twoofer argument, the only difference being that Cartman worked with different numbers. "That's... retarded!" Oh and I think you got the on-the-spot debunking pretty much right, alexg. It's completely meaningless pattern searching.
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24th December 2007, 02:16 PM	#5
Jonnyclueless Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,360	Imagine the conspiracy theories if we words on a binary number system which is much more efficient than a base 10 digit system. No more old school only 1 in 10 chance of a digit appearing in two values.

24th December 2007, 11:14 PM	#7
portlandatheist Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,111	Well, if there was ever proof that 911 was an inside job, this is surely it.

25th December 2007, 02:12 AM	#8
HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 461	9+1+1= 11 I see a problem with this. Since month's digit numbers are never read individually,Sept can't de read 1-1 but 11. So it has to be added as 9+11=20

25th December 2007, 02:49 AM	#9
e^n Muse Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 810	Originally Posted by HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP 9+1+1= 11 I see a problem with this. Since month's digit numbers are never read individually,Sept can't de read 1-1 but 11. So it has to be added as 9+11=20 2+0=2 9+2=11 9/11 Proof.
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25th December 2007, 06:47 AM	#10
dbalsdon Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Devon, UK Posts: 323	The funniest thing i've ever found in response to this is: Quote: Oh my God! How worried should I be? There are 11 letters in the name "David Pawson!" I'm going into hiding NOW. See you in a few weeks. Wait a sec ... just realized "YOU CAN'T HIDE" also has 11 letters! What am I gonna do? Help me!!! The terrorists are after me! ME! I can't believe it! Oh crap, there must be someplace on the planet Earth I could hide! But no ..."PLANET EARTH" has 11 letters, too! Maybe Nostradamus can help me. But dare I trust him? There are 11 letters in "NOSTRADAMUS." I know, the Red Cross can help. No they can't... 11 letters in "THE RED CROSS," can't trust them. I would rely on self defense, but "SELF DEFENSE" has 11 letters in it, too! Can someone help? Anyone? If so, send me email. No, don't... "SEND ME EMAIL" has 11 letters.... Will this never end? I'm going insane! "GOING INSANE???" Eleven letters!! Nooooooooooo!!!!!! I guess I'll die alone, even though "I'LL DIE ALONE" has 11 letters.... Oh my God, I just realized that America is doomed! Our Independence Day is July 4th ... 7/4 ... 7+4=11! - Dave PS. "IT'S ******" has 11 letters** also.

25th December 2007, 06:52 AM	#11
Miragememories Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 3,782	1 + 2 = 10,000. 7 = delay, after delay, after delay........ MM

25th December 2007, 07:33 AM	#12
Donal Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 2,139	Whats the number you dial in an emergency? 911. What do most twoofers fall on a an IQ scale? Between 9 and 11.

25th December 2007, 08:06 AM	#13
Blue Mountain Resident Skeptical Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Waging war on woo-woo in Winnipeg Posts: 3,657	The general case is our brains are pattern-seeking machines. Vision is largely interpreted by matching what we see with patterns (things that we remember seeing in the past.) A huge amount of speech processing is also pattern based: that's what grammar is, after all. There's a term for our tendency to see patterns where none actually exist: Pareidolia^WP. A lot of Jesus and Virgin Mary sightings fall into this category. Also, our tendency to seek and discover patterns is what's behind optical illusions. The numerologists are applying our tendency to see patterns to numbers. A lot of their conclusions fall under the logical fallacy of affirming the consequent (they come to the conclusion first, then decide their path to get there had to be the cause.)
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25th December 2007, 06:02 PM	#14
OldTigerCub Striped Shapeshifting Reptoid Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Steeler Nation, Pa. Posts: 1,633	Originally Posted by HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP 9+1+1= 11 I see a problem with this. Since month's digit numbers are never read individually,Sept can't de read 1-1 but 11. So it has to be added as 9+11=20 Ummm....September is the 9 in the 9-11, not the 11....
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25th December 2007, 06:19 PM	#15
danielk Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Berlin Posts: 1,077	Originally Posted by HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP 9+1+1= 11 I see a problem with this. Since month's digit numbers are never read individually,Sept can't de read 1-1 but 11. So it has to be added as 9+11=20 Apart from the day/month mix-up you have here, that would still be utter nonsense. You can view a date as written in a mixed number system, with the year in positional notation with base 10, the month as non-positional counter from 1 to 12 and likewise the day as counter with range [1,31], [1,30] or [1,28] depending on the value of the month, and range [1,29] for certain combinations of year and month value. Phew! What I actually wanted to say is this: adding the digits of the day counter is just as valid as summing up the digits of the month and day counters is. You're still adding digits of different base. That is to say, it isn't valid at all, no matter what. Complete and utter BS either way. Except that it makes for a fun method to learn numbers by heart.
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25th December 2007, 06:58 PM	#16
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,596	Originally Posted by danielk Complete and utter BS either way. Except that it makes for a fun method to learn numbers by heart. Killjoy

25th December 2007, 07:01 PM	#17
danielk Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Berlin Posts: 1,077	Always happy to serve.
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25th December 2007, 09:49 PM	#18
soylent Muse Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 962	What exactly does the accused party stand to benefit from choosing a date where the individual digits in day and month sum up to the number of the day? This is just conspiratorial paranoia: There are no actual coincidences, only nefarious deeds meticulously planned and carried out to produce these supposed coincidences.
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26th December 2007, 03:51 PM	#19
Jennie C. Thinker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Columbus OH Posts: 245	Originally Posted by Jonnyclueless Imagine the conspiracy theories if we words on a binary number system which is much more efficient than a base 10 digit system. No more old school only 1 in 10 chance of a digit appearing in two values. And for Hitchhikers (Guide to the Galaxy) fans, "what do you get when you multiply 6 times 9" does, in fact, equal 42. Assuming you use base 13....
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26th December 2007, 04:18 PM	#20
Frozenwolf150 Formerly SilentKnight Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Under cold, moonlit skies Posts: 1,806	Oh, I got another one! The twin towers bore a resemblance to what number? Looks like a giant 11 to me! Coincidence? Originally Posted by danielk Wow, that's a nearly perfect match of the South Park depiction of the Twoofer argument, the only difference being that Cartman worked with different numbers. "That's... retarded!" I loved that episode too.
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26th December 2007, 04:21 PM	#21
Jono Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,613	Originally Posted by Silentknight Looks like a giant 11 to me! Coincidence? Indeed and phallic to boot, which makes sense considering the perpetrators were all men. They saw the size of the buildings phallic reach to the sky and became insanely jelous.
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26th December 2007, 04:35 PM	#22
danielk Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Berlin Posts: 1,077	Ah, we have a post-modern feminist litcrit in our midst!
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27th December 2007, 12:19 AM	#23
LashL Goddess of Legaltainment™ Administrator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 26,656	Heh. Of course, using numbers in the way that tinhatters, "numerologists" and other woo-merchants do, numbers can be manipulated so easily and so hilariously as to make them, and their purported "meaning" utterly meaningless. It is just too silly for words, frankly. (If anyone requires further proof of this, see the "ET Corn Gods" thread... but only if you don't mind wasting several hours of your life only to find out that there ~~are some people~~ is at least one guy even nuttier than the diehard 9/11 conspiracy fantasists.)
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27th December 2007, 12:22 AM	#24
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,347	Yet another reason for all countries to switch to Julian dating.
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27th December 2007, 12:42 AM	#25
MetalPig Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Juicing the piglet since 1989 Posts: 2,007	• The attacks took place on 9/11 9/11 = 0.818181... OMG INFINITE REPETITION!!!11q
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27th December 2007, 01:08 AM	#26
Plantfoam Thinker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 219	"Nine, nine, nine, that crazy number nine..." -song from the old PBS show Square One A multiple of nine always adds back up to nine! Nine is disinfo!

27th December 2007, 05:18 AM	#27
JimBenArm Based on a true story! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 13,018	Originally Posted by Hokulele Yet another reason for all countries to switch to Julian dating. I dated a girl named Julian. She was nice enough, just no chemistry between us.
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27th December 2007, 05:38 AM	#28
Furi Felix Sapiens Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Living life in the bus lane Posts: 2,006	but 2001-09-11 = 1981 And that was a really REALLY Evil year, Eurovision was won by Bucks Fizz, How much proof do you need (won't even mention what it was like in the UK)
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27th December 2007, 06:44 AM	#29
peteweaver Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,005	11 + 9 = 20. 11 x 9 = 99. 99 - 20 = 79. 11 / 9 = 1.222 911 x Pi = 2861.9909 Makes you think huh ?

27th December 2007, 09:22 AM	#30
danielk Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Berlin Posts: 1,077	Originally Posted by Furi but 2001-09-11 = 1981 And that was a really REALLY Evil year, Eurovision was won by Bucks Fizz, How much proof do you need (won't even mention what it was like in the UK) Dude, I was born that year!
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27th December 2007, 09:29 AM	#31
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,897	Originally Posted by soylent What exactly does the accused party stand to benefit from choosing a date where the individual digits in day and month sum up to the number of the day? Because of their secret Freemasonic religion. I wish I was making this up.

27th December 2007, 04:30 PM	#32
Blue Mountain Resident Skeptical Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Waging war on woo-woo in Winnipeg Posts: 3,657	Originally Posted by Hokulele Yet another reason for all countries to switch to Julian dating. Well, I did a little bit of computation on this and got the following: September 11 is the 254th day of the year. 2+5+4 = 11! OMG! What are the odds? 2001-254=1747. 1+7+4+7=19. The number of hijackers! WOW! 2001+254=2255. 22+55=77. TWO SEVENS! AMAZING! (I don't know how to tie that in to the events of September 11, but it must be important somehow!) Just to assure fellow JREFers, I have not fallen into a big vat of woo. I'm having a little bit of fun at the numerologists' expense.
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27th December 2007, 04:42 PM	#33
Diagoras Unrepentant Francophile Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New York State, USA Posts: 590	Originally Posted by Blue Mountain 2001+254=2255. 22+55=77. TWO SEVENS! AMAZING! (I don't know how to tie that in to the events of September 11, but it must be important somehow!) The airplane that hit the Pentagon was Flight 77. It looks like Bush and Cheney must have really sat down and crunched the numerology to figure out exactly where and when to attack. You'd think they'd base the details of their evil scheme on factors like how to best cover it up, how to best avoid failure or how to best get the public riled up, but I guess making sure there are lots of multiples of 11 was the biggest concern.
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27th December 2007, 04:48 PM	#34
Chupacabras Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fascistoland. Posts: 3,487	The first time I read about this (shortly after the events), it came as an email joke. Totally funny. I remember this line: The Iraq soccer team has 11 players!
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27th December 2007, 07:55 PM	#35
PhantomWolf Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base Posts: 10,004	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe number permeate every aspect of everything, and theres only 10 of them, so there are always going to be coincidences, so as you say its simply a matter of cherry picking what to focus on, and then cherry picking what do with those numbers for example he sees significance in 110 being a multiple of 11, but also sees significance in 111, which isnt a mutiple of 11, but kinda looks like 11 he takes the flight number for 77, but the impact time for flight 175 he takes the name new york city, but not washington dc or shanksville While I agree, 17+5 = 22 a muliple of 11, and it was the second flight (2 11's) And Shanksville has 11 letters too. (Washington DC has 12 though)
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