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Freethinker · 15th January 2008, 08:45 AM

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JA15Ak03.html

Apparently some copies of different versions of the Koran that were thought to have been lost in a WWII bombing in Germany survived and are now being studied to identify changes in the document over time. Not sure why it took 60 years or why the man who had them lied about it.

FireGarden · 15th January 2008, 09:39 AM

Sounds somewhat strange.
The last copies of 700AD manuscripts are hidden away for 60 years? All so that the Nazis can win favour with the Muslims.... Wow.

It's been known for a long time that modern Qurans don't agree with each other in every detail. This difference:
http://www.skepticwiki.org/index.php...Sura_%283:7%29

is small (where to split text into sentences) but the implications are large.

That seems to imply that someone learned it wrong. At least a little bit. Proof that whole chapters were written years after Mohammed would be of a different scale. When do the results of a study become known?

Freethinker · 15th January 2008, 01:02 PM

Not sure what the deal is. Seems the holder is restricting access to "approved" scholars, which seems to include a tacit agreement not to find anything dramatic during their research.

Beerina · 15th January 2008, 02:50 PM

Are the Dead Sea Scrolls fully released? Any "hidden surprises" there? Aside from Jesus taking one look at Mary Magdaline and thinking, "Ya, I'd hit that."

Freethinker · 15th January 2008, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Are the Dead Sea Scrolls fully released? Any "hidden surprises" there? Aside from Jesus taking one look at Mary Magdaline and thinking, "Ya, I'd hit that."

According to the last thing I read, no they aren't. They aren't fully available to any researcher who wants them. Particularly, researchers who would use them to point out the changes in the bible are prevented from accessing them.

15th January 2008, 08:45 AM	#1
Freethinker Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Uncanny Valley Posts: 1,358	Variant Copies of the Koran thought to be lost, still exist http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JA15Ak03.html Apparently some copies of different versions of the Koran that were thought to have been lost in a WWII bombing in Germany survived and are now being studied to identify changes in the document over time. Not sure why it took 60 years or why the man who had them lied about it.
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15th January 2008, 09:39 AM	#2
FireGarden Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Spannungsbogen -- without a visa Posts: 5,043	Sounds somewhat strange. The last copies of 700AD manuscripts are hidden away for 60 years? All so that the Nazis can win favour with the Muslims.... Wow. It's been known for a long time that modern Qurans don't agree with each other in every detail. This difference: http://www.skepticwiki.org/index.php...Sura_%283:7%29 is small (where to split text into sentences) but the implications are large. That seems to imply that someone learned it wrong. At least a little bit. Proof that whole chapters were written years after Mohammed would be of a different scale. When do the results of a study become known?
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15th January 2008, 01:02 PM	#3
Freethinker Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Uncanny Valley Posts: 1,358	Not sure what the deal is. Seems the holder is restricting access to "approved" scholars, which seems to include a tacit agreement not to find anything dramatic during their research.
	__________________ "Did it indeed seem probable, as he had once overheard Dunbar ask, that the answers to the riddles of creation would be supplied by people too ignorant to understand the mechanics of rainfall? Had Almighty God, in all His infinite wisdom, really been afraid that men six thousand years ago would succeed in building a tower to heaven?" Thoughts of the Chaplain in Heller's Catch-22

15th January 2008, 02:50 PM	#4
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Are the Dead Sea Scrolls fully released? Any "hidden surprises" there? Aside from Jesus taking one look at Mary Magdaline and thinking, "Ya, I'd hit that."
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15th January 2008, 05:16 PM	#5
Freethinker Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Uncanny Valley Posts: 1,358	Originally Posted by Beerina Are the Dead Sea Scrolls fully released? Any "hidden surprises" there? Aside from Jesus taking one look at Mary Magdaline and thinking, "Ya, I'd hit that." According to the last thing I read, no they aren't. They aren't fully available to any researcher who wants them. Particularly, researchers who would use them to point out the changes in the bible are prevented from accessing them.
	__________________ "Did it indeed seem probable, as he had once overheard Dunbar ask, that the answers to the riddles of creation would be supplied by people too ignorant to understand the mechanics of rainfall? Had Almighty God, in all His infinite wisdom, really been afraid that men six thousand years ago would succeed in building a tower to heaven?" Thoughts of the Chaplain in Heller's Catch-22