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Old 18th January 2008, 09:50 AM   #1
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Richard Gage Is Still Begging for Dollars

January is "pledge month". Come on guys..dig deep!

Is this guy for real??


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Dear AE911Truth Supporter:
We thank you wholeheartedly for your tremendous continuing support for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and the critical activist work that we are performing. We literally couldn't do it without you!
You are receiving this Action Alert because you Signed the Petition on our website, or purchased the 9/11: Blueprint for Truth DVD or Evidence Cards, or made a donation to our Take an Architect or Engineer to Lunch program. (And a special thank you to those who have multi-contributed!)
In December, we were proud to highlight the AE911Truth accomplishments of 2007 in the premier issue of our eNewsletter, The Blueprint. It is very important that we alert you today to request your additional help and support by becoming a recurring monthly Sustaining Member. We have proclaimed January as Pledge Drive Month to start the new year with the intention and purpose of focusing our efforts toward even much greater success.
We need 1,000 Architects and Engineers (and 5,000 others) demanding a new investigation of the 3 WTC high-rises "collapse" on 9/11. In fact, we are not waiting! We are joining Dr. Steven Jones in a joint effort with Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice to actively begin our own forensic based investigation! Your support is of utmost importance in order to continue this important work. Without this funding, this and our many other projects will take longer and become fewer and farther between, and our momentum will be slowed rather than accelerated. We are race horses champing at the bit... held at the starting gate... waiting to run. Our mission really is a race — and it is key to the 9/11 Truth Movement. We have no time to lose.
The founding members and current volunteers and staff of AE911Truth have donated, truly and literally, thousands of dollars and thousands of hours to AE911Truth. This is a full time effort for a dozen staff. And we can't keep it going without you. We have already earned your respect and your trust. Now we are in serious need of your on-going financial support to take AE911Truth to the next level — to sign up 1,000 A/E's, to perform The Investigation; to speak in four dozen more cities; to support local AE911Truth street actions with our DVD's, CD's, evidence cards and banners; to re-vamp and launch the new AE911Truth DVD with the latest scientific evidence; to put the PowerPoint into the trained hands of 3 dozen A/E's & others; and to bust into Mainstream Media in 2008!
This is where you come in. The plain truth of the matter is that non-profit organizations like AE911Truth exist, function and grow almost solely through the generous donations of their supporters. People like you, who pledge a small portion of their hard-earned dollars so that we may act in your stead in the vastly important goals of the 9/11 Truth Movement. Specifically, we need to understand your priorities for AE911Truth. Therefore one of our staff will be calling you within the next few weeks.
Your generous gift is the life-blood of AE911Truth. It may be as little as $10/month, $25/month, or more! There is a perfect pledge level for everyone! The key is that everyone, especially our Petition Signers, place your vote of confidence in AE911Truth with dollars. If you are unable at this time to pledge a recurring monthly donation, then a single substantial donation is another alternative! It is the sum total of all of our donations which allows us to create the greater whole that will kick start our second year into high gear! With your help, we will make 2008 the year known through-out the world as "9/11 Truth and Justice". Let's work hard and efficient – banding together to make it so!
Thank you again and best wishes to you and your loved ones this New Year. Our hearts are overcome with gratitude for you.
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Old 18th January 2008, 09:58 AM   #2
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Well it looks like he's got his money raising spiel down pat.
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Old 18th January 2008, 10:10 AM   #3
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A fulltime effort for a dozen staff? That's a joke. Thousands of hours of work? Gage adds nothing, literally nothing to the 9-11 debate other than the magic of those three little letters: AIA. His presentation cribs bits from Loose Change and 9-11 Mysteries.
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Old 18th January 2008, 10:23 AM   #4
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The one time i did hear him debate, he was schooled and made to look no better than the other idiots that pollute the internet with their filth.
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Old 18th January 2008, 10:34 AM   #5
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Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and the critical activist work that we are performing.

Wrong!! Real activists suffer great depravity and persecution for their purpose; they sacrifice, not trawl for alms.
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only 3 buildings fell? Man, that Gravy guy can't get nothing right...
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Old 18th January 2008, 12:32 PM   #7
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Blueprints? Does any construction site use real blueprints any more? Will their next DVD be called "Reverse Print Mylar"?

Bleah, now I need to go get the memory of the smell of ammonia out of my system.
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Old 18th January 2008, 12:36 PM   #8
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Blueprints? Does any construction site use real blueprints any more? Will their next DVD be called "Reverse Print Mylar"?

Bleah, now I need to go get the memory of the smell of ammonia out of my system.
But it was handy if you had a head cold.
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Originally Posted by Hokulele View Post
Blueprints? Does any construction site use real blueprints any more? Will their next DVD be called "Reverse Print Mylar"?

Bleah, now I need to go get the memory of the smell of ammonia out of my system.
We just got rid of our blueprint machine. I don't miss the smell.
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We still have a blue-line copier we use every once in a while for a quick set of prints on small projects.

I hope that no one is giving money to this fool, or at least very few on the CT side. This scheme is so transparent it's not even funny. A dozen staff? What the heck would they be doing all day? We run a very busy architecture firm here with just 4 people, none of which are "staff" in the sense of supporting staff like secreteries and etc. I could do what Mr. Gage is proposing here with 2 people, tops. Not that I would, mind you.

This is just a shameless attempt to get gullible people to give Mr. Gage money. I guess it's difficult for him to keep busy with architectural work, so he resorts to panhandling.

If he's soliciting donations like this, must he adhere to the standard rules for NPO's / charities? For instance, most of those types of organizations are required to make their financial records public.
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Old 19th January 2008, 02:15 AM   #11
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[OT] What's the deal with HP and Vista anyways? There you are happily using your HP Designjet printer and along comes Vista and HP decide they can't be bothered to produce new drivers so you just have to go spend a few thousand on a new plotter![/OT]

Actually, on reflection, perhaps that wasn't OT given that Gage seems to need the money.

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Old 19th January 2008, 02:25 AM   #12
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[OT] What's the deal with HP and Vista anyways? There you are happily using your HP Designjet printer and along comes Vista and HP decide they can't be bothered to produce new drivers so you just have to go spend a few thousand on a new plotter![/OT]

You may want to check with the manufacturer of the software from which you are printing. They often have proprietary drivers that are better than the HP crap drivers.
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Old 19th January 2008, 02:54 AM   #13
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We need 1,000 Architects and Engineers (and 5,000 others) demanding a new investigation of the 3 WTC high-rises "collapse" on 9/11. In fact, we are not waiting! We are joining Dr. Steven Jones in a joint effort with Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice to actively begin our own forensic based investigation!
This strikes me as amusing.

Want to know why they are not waiting? As I wrote the article about Gage & AE911Truth I also examined their membership figures, because Gage was claiming their membership was growing exponentially. After writing that article I have still kept an eye on what's happening over there.

Here is their membership curve as of yesterday, January 18, 2007.



I use the European way of expressing dates, sorry you Americans They had 242 members as of yesterday. Today they have one member more, who is not included on that chart.

Not very impressive, right?

They are not waiting, because it would take them literally years to reach that 1000 A&E member figure. Their current growth rate is less than 1 member/day.

1000-243 = 757 members to go.

Let's assume 1 new member/day. That's 757 more days or a bit over 2 years. But their rate has not been even that high, and the growth rate has been slowing down as of late. In the last 24 days they've had only 12 new members. That's 0.5/day. Using this rate it would take them over 4 years to reach their goal.

Gage doesn't have the patience and gullible donators to be waiting for years. That's why they do not wait.

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Old 19th January 2008, 04:10 AM   #14
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One thing Gage's staff not doing very well is verifying credentials. There are over 60 members whose credentials are yet to be verified. One of these is Mohsin Drabu, our very own mjd1982, who is listed as ' Architecture- Degreed'. mjd1982 told us he had a degree in French. I suppose it is possible he could also have an architectural qualification, but I'm sure mjd1982 would have told us - he was never one to hide his light under a bushel. I think we can safely strike one from Gage's total.
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Throw "Cameron Porter PHD" into that mix... Cameron Porter is your's truly...I can assure you that is not my real name and I am not a PHD.
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You may want to check with the manufacturer of the software from which you are printing. They often have proprietary drivers that are better than the HP crap drivers.
Ahhh well, that's your guys
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This is just a shameless attempt to get gullible people to give Mr. Gage money.
My guess he will get some.
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Throw "Cameron Porter PHD" into that mix... Cameron Porter is your's truly...I can assure you that is not my real name and I am not a PHD.

I'm guilty as well. I signed up with a fake name and it's still listed. So much for his "verification" lie.

I don't want to state which one it is as I want to stay on his nutcase mailing list. (Yes, I got the same email as the OP.)
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Of all their members, how many have qualifications that are at all relevant?

I don't see too many structural engineers on that site. 3-4 tops.
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Yeah I love how every product in the PM Store is about 9/11..

oh wait, no it isn't. Their book is not even on the front page.

Unlike the 9/11 Deniers, James Randi and PM doesn't make a living off 9/11 alone. In fact, PM can drop the topic on 9/11 completely and still be around.

However, people like Alex Jones, Richard Gage, and Dylan Avery must continue to lie about 9/11 because it's part of their identity and source of income.
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Holy K-Y Warming jelly!!!! 3 Organizations whose main focus is not 9/11 that sell things for money!!!!!.... Wait... what was your point?

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Sorry I missed the "cashing in on 911" in your links, could you point them out please?

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Blueprints? Does any construction site use real blueprints any more? Will their next DVD be called "Reverse Print Mylar"?

Bleah, now I need to go get the memory of the smell of ammonia out of my system.
Hey, hey, hey. Be nice. I still use reverse-read mylars!
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Last Chils-- none of those sites you listed are --exclusivly bout' tha troof and nothin' but tha troof.

I would say it is a bad comparison -if that is in fact what you were *attempting* to do.

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This is just a shameless attempt to get gullible people to give Mr. Gage money. I guess it's difficult for him to keep busy with architectural work, so he resorts to panhandling.

Indeed.

Gage has a very strong whiff of fraud about him. Further evidence, of course, will be required to prove actual fraud but, so far, Gage and his group do not pass the smell test.


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If he's soliciting donations like this, must he adhere to the standard rules for NPO's / charities? For instance, most of those types of organizations are required to make their financial records public.

I was just thinking about this as well. Gage insinuates in his panhandling message that his group is a non-profit organization when he says:

Originally Posted by Gage
The plain truth of the matter is that non-profit organizations like AE911Truth exist, function and grow almost solely through the generous donations of their supporters.
but in the group's newsletter, he claims that his group:

Originally Posted by Gage
[has] completed most of the steps toward forming our nonprofit corporation. Our tax-exempt status is expected but not guaranteed. Please do not wait. We need your support now in order to give this effort a broader full-time thrust!
A search at GuideStar.org does not show this group as a non-profit, and it seems that Gage is trying to suck and blow at the same time.

Certainly reeks of a scam to me.
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Last Chils-- none of those sites you listed are --exclusivly bout' tha troof and nothin' but tha troof.

I would say it is a bad comparison -if that is in fact what you were *attempting* to do.
You're right. They're actually links to sites with a reputation for so-called debunking.

Like this so-called debunking for $19.95...

http://www.createspace.com/Store/Sho....jsp?id=238487

Or this for $9.32 ...

http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-M.../dp/158816635X

or this for $24.95 ...

http://www.history.com/shows.do?acti...isodeId=240087
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You're right. They're actually links to sites with a reputation for so-called debunking.

Like this so-called debunking for $19.95...

http://www.createspace.com/Store/Sho....jsp?id=238487

Or this for $9.32 ...

http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-M.../dp/158816635X

or this for $24.95 ...

http://www.history.com/shows.do?acti...isodeId=240087

The main differences between your links and the OP is that these sales are not the sole source of income for the producers, and I receive a product that actually provides what is claims. If I become one of Gage's sustaining members, I get what exactly?
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The main differences between your links and the OP is that these sales are not the sole source of income for the producers, and I receive a product that actually provides what is claims. If I become one of Gage's sustaining members, I get what exactly?
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If I become one of Gage's sustaining members, I get what exactly?
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The main differences between your links and the OP is that these sales are not the sole source of income for the producers, and I receive a product that actually provides what is claims. If I become one of Gage's sustaining members, I get what exactly?
You would get AE911 to continue their work which is all that is offered. Now is he being deceitful in the same manner for example as Jim Meigs implying he is some kind of authority in anything when he's nothing of the sort or Hardfire asserting Mark Roberts and his opinions and cherry picking of alternative 9/11 theories somehow validate the official version as being the complete truth?
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A swanky decoder ring, and his company at lunch.

Probably a bad idea, as I would be too tempted to bring along a bottle of ipecac. Even though I will be in the Bay Area next week . . .
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Old 19th January 2008, 09:15 PM   #34
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You would get AE911 to continue their work which is all that is offered. Now is he being deceitful in the same manner for example as Jim Meigs implying he is some kind of authority in anything when he's nothing of the sort or Hardfire asserting Mark Roberts and his opinions and cherry picking of alternative 9/11 theories somehow validate the official version as being the complete truth?

I wasn't aware that Jim Meigs and Mark Roberts are profiting directly from their investigations. Do you have evidence otherwise?
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Originally Posted by Hokulele View Post
I wasn't aware that Jim Meigs and Mark Roberts are profiting directly from their investigations. Do you have evidence otherwise?
I didn't say they were. I said Hardfire was selling Mark Roberts 9/11 debunking and PM was selling 9/11 debunking and using Jim Meigs to do it and The History Channel is selling 9/11 debunking and implying that the idiots from PM are some kind of experts when they're nothing of the sort.
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I didn't say they were. I said Hardfire was selling Mark Roberts 9/11 debunking and PM was selling 9/11 debunking and using Jim Meigs to do it and The History Channel is selling 9/11 debunking and implying that the idiots from PM are some kind of experts when they're nothing of the sort.

Please provide the financial statements indicating the percentage of profits for Hardfire, the History Channel, and Popular Mechanics based on their September 11 material. Then, please provide the financial statements from Richard Gage indicating his percentage of profits from the solicited donations as well as the DVD sales.
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Please provide the financial statements indicating the percentage of profits for Hardfire, the History Channel, and Popular Mechanics based on their September 11 material. Then, please provide the financial statements from Richard Gage indicating his percentage of profits from the solicited donations as well as the DVD sales.
LOL

What are you implying? There's more people buying into conspiracy then debunking?
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LOL

What are you implying? There's more people buying into conspiracy then debunking?

I am stating that Richard Gage is using people to support him in the lifestyle to which he is becoming accustomed solely by preying on their delusions regarding the collapse of WTC 1, 2, and 7. I am also stating that it is sad that enough people fall for it to keep him in said lifestyle.

Can you provide evidence to the contrary?
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On a slightly related note, I live in the same town as Griffen. There is a local weekly talk show hosted by a loon who has regularly featured DRG and he was on again today. I was able to get on and go at DRG for about 15 minutes before being cut off. One of the points DRG made several times was the AE911 had "over a thousand world-class architects and engineers" and that they all supported the CD notion. I called him on it but he just kept on repeating the claim. Sure wish I'd had ref's chart at hand.
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Originally Posted by LastChild View Post
LOL

What are you implying? There's more people buying into conspiracy then debunking?
If that were true you'd get another investigation... How's that coming again?
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