Vote For Ron Paul Or Else!

[dudalb]

A Paul supporter on IMDB (where their spamming has become a major pain in the butt) shows his support for Free Speech.

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We support the Constitution. So if the Constitution is out of touch, and you oppose Ron Paul, then you oppose the Constitution. Period! Never claim you have a Constitutional right again. Just shut your stupid mouths and go along with whatever the government throws at you, because you deserve it, you brought it on yourselves.

I only wish if I ever sat on one of you Paul-hater's juries I would know you opposed him and the Constitution, then I would simply find you GUILTY, no matter what the charge, no matter what the punishment, GUILTY! Because you would deserve it for giving up your rights, and more importantly, denying them to others.

I got a feeling this guy was only more honest about the way a lot of Paulistas feel about anybody who does not worship at the CHurch Of Ron Paul.

[Drudgewire]

If I were a conspiracy buff I'd swear most of these "Ron Paul" supporters were actually working for other candidates trying to destroy Ron Paul by making it look as though only crackpots would vote for him.

[FM21.105]

Hmm...aren't all candidates supposed to vote for and by the constitution?

It would be interesting if you spammed Paulbot boards with the same message, except replace "Ron Paul" with "Rudi Giuliani" or any other candidate

[abenja1]

Originally Posted by dudalb

A Paul supporter on IMDB (where their spamming has become a major pain in the butt) shows his support for Free Speech.



I got a feeling this guy was only more honest about the way a lot of Paulistas feel about anybody who does not worship at the CHurch Of Ron Paul.

The poster I am familirar with on IMDB. He is also an anti-semite and believes that the US should be ruled as Christian nation which is ironic considering the Constitution mentions nothing of the sort. This is why Ron Paul will never enter as a top tier. Because he has wacko nazi like supporters like people like this. But on a more serious note, Imagine if this guy was hired by Paul to be on the Supreme Court. He would have no problem wiping out most of the JREF Members simply because they disagree with Paul on policy issues. I also find it ironic that Paul supporters who claim to be anti-Bush 43 use the same scare tactics that he does. "You're with us or you're with the terrorists" is very similar to "you oppose Ron Paul, then you oppose the Constitution."

[Father Dagon]

Originally Posted by Drudgewire

If I were a conspiracy buff I'd swear most of these "Ron Paul" supporters were actually working for other candidates trying to destroy Ron Paul by making it look as though only crackpots would vote for him.

Does it really matter? Every level headed and decent organization can recognize kooks and provocateurs and deal with them. But the Ronulans can only recognize behaviour in the most superficial way, not making educated guesses about ulterior motives. So if you walk, talks and wave signs like a Ronulan, then you are one.

[Dr. Lao]

Its a cult, pure and simple, expect them to go off nutter when he loses more.

They put all their kook eggs in one basket, and they can't handle the reality that no one wants him.

Watch out, its gonna be a rough ride.

[Puppycow]

They really are repellant. There was one commenting over on Pharyngula and after some pro-Paul spam, he started insulting the commenters and even claimed that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was real. Was Ron Paul ever associated with the John Birch Society, I wonder?

[UserGoogol]

I am pretty sure Ron Paul is associated with the John Birch society. Although I can't find anything 100% irrefutable, there's this video that seems to be him speaking at a John Birch Society sponsored thing and various quotes online say he endorses it. Now, it's possible that this is all an elaborate subterfuge (I strongly doubt it, but I don't like to assume) but even if that is the case, the JBS really really supports him. (They give him a 100% conservative index, and that's not something they give out lightly; although still, it's based on voting record so it doesn't mean he's absolutely crazy.)

[Richard Masters]

It looks like all the posters above me are members of a particular cult. The cult of "I'm-too-scared-to-tell-you-who-my-favorite-candidate-is-because-I-can't-think-for-myself-but-I'll-smear-yours-baselessly-to-fit-in"

ETA: User Googol hadn't posted when I wrote this.

[Puppycow]

Originally Posted by UserGoogol

I am pretty sure Ron Paul is associated with the John Birch society. Although I can't find anything 100% irrefutable, there's this video that seems to be him speaking at a John Birch Society sponsored thing and various quotes online say he endorses it. Now, it's possible that this is all an elaborate subterfuge (I strongly doubt it, but I don't like to assume) but even if that is the case, the JBS really really supports him. (They give him a 100% conservative index, and that's not something they give out lightly; although still, it's based on voting record so it doesn't mean he's absolutely crazy.)

Thanks. Didn't even know the JBS was still around.

[Dr. Lao]

Originally Posted by Richard Masters

It looks like all the posters above me are members of a particular cult. The cult of "I'm-too-scared-to-tell-you-who-my-favorite-candidate-is-because-I-can't-think-for-myself-but-I'll-smear-yours-baselessly-to-fit-in"

ETA: User Googol hadn't posted when I wrote this.

Typical Ronulan response. Go on every computer board and on every radio show to scream about how no one talks about their candidate and no one allows them on radio.

Irony is lost on the Ronulans.

And, its none of your damned business who I support, that is not an argument, just spin.

[Richard Masters]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lao

Typical Ronulan response.

Source?

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Go on every computer board and on every radio show to scream about how no one talks about their candidate and no one allows them on radio.

Non-sequitur?

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Irony is lost on the Ronulans.

Another vague and generalized accusation.

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And, its none of your damned business who I support, that is not an argument, just spin.

I think your cultish ways are well-captured by my description. It's not my business who you support, however, it would lend more credibility to your criticism of his supporters.

[Dr. Lao]

OK Richard, here is the deal, for over a year the Paul fans have been promising a grand revolution, painting signs, spamming internet polls and acting as if their crap don't stink.

And all the while Paul never was a factor in any real poll in any real state, including NH, where the LP is trying to relocate a critical mass.

So, what do we get from the Paul fans? Abject rudeness on radio shows, chasing down and screaming at the press, bizzare conspiracy theories, discoveries that Ron wrote a racist newsletter for years, and if he didn't write it, he is damned stupid to put his name on it.

Here is the deal, whether you like it or not or accept it, Ron Paul supporters are his worst enemy. They act like petulant children, and like the creepy guy on the subway that no one wants to sit next to. The bray incessantly about how no one listens to them, but they don't realize that no one WANTS to listen to them because they behave in an atrocious manner, their candidate actively courts the fringe, and they cannot accept defeat in any way.

I think its the height of hypocrisy for folks that can't ever get their candidate above 10% to say that the other 90% is cultish.

You just need to accept reality and grow up.

[Richard Masters]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lao

OK Richard, here is the deal, for over a year the Paul fans have been promising a grand revolution, painting signs, spamming internet polls and acting as if their crap don't stink.

And all the while Paul never was a factor in any real poll in any real state, including NH, where the LP is trying to relocate a critical mass.

I don't think they are promising a revolution as much as wanting one. And spamming internet polls is difficult to prove, given that some Democrats and people around the world may like Ron Paul and vote for him on the internet.

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So, what do we get from the Paul fans? Abject rudeness on radio shows, chasing down and screaming at the press

This is what stands out to you, and not necessarily a accurate representation of most of his supporters.

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bizzare conspiracy theories, discoveries that Ron wrote a racist newsletter for years, and if he didn't write it, he is damned stupid to put his name on it.

I agree.

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Here is the deal, whether you like it or not or accept it, Ron Paul supporters are his worst enemy.

I actually agree on this, too, with the obvious qualification that it is a select few.

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They act like petulant children, and like the creepy guy on the subway that no one wants to sit next to. The bray incessantly about how no one listens to them, but they don't realize that no one WANTS to listen to them because they behave in an atrocious manner, their candidate actively courts the fringe, and they cannot accept defeat in any way.

Actually, they complain that the media gives the other candidates a free pass. I do, too.

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I think its the height of hypocrisy for folks that can't ever get their candidate above 10% to say that the other 90% is cultish.

I'm not saying the other 90% is cultish. I clearly am only speaking about those regurgitating half-truths on this specific section of the forums.

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You just need to accept reality and grow up.

What reality is that? Do you think I'm naïve enough to think that Ron Paul has a good chance of winning the primary at this point? I'm merely hoping he will, with very low expectations.

If there were better candidates, (better - not more popular,) I would probably support someone with a better chance. What I find cultish is that most people here support either Obama or McCain, but they can't elaborate on why.

[FM21.105]

Why would it matter why they support them? No one is attacking why you like Ron Paul, they're just talking about Ron Paul and his policies. No one is mumbling conspiracy theories, they're just talking about Ron Paul. If Obama or McCain started acting nutty, or had tons of nutty supporters, then I wouldn't be suprised to see "crazy Obama" or "crazy McCain" threads. Ron Paul seems to be the biggest nutjob amongst the candidates, and the internet helps spread the nuttyness.

If you want to make a thread about Obama or McCain, feel free, no one is stopping you. But if you try to defend Ron Paul's blatant crazyness, don't be surprised when someone calls you on it.

[HereticHulk]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lao

OK Richard, here is the deal, for over a year the Paul fans have been promising a grand revolution, painting signs, spamming internet polls and acting as if their crap don't stink.

And all the while Paul never was a factor in any real poll in any real state, including NH, where the LP is trying to relocate a critical mass.

So, what do we get from the Paul fans? Abject rudeness on radio shows, chasing down and screaming at the press, bizzare conspiracy theories, discoveries that Ron wrote a racist newsletter for years, and if he didn't write it, he is damned stupid to put his name on it.

Here is the deal, whether you like it or not or accept it, Ron Paul supporters are his worst enemy. They act like petulant children, and like the creepy guy on the subway that no one wants to sit next to. The bray incessantly about how no one listens to them, but they don't realize that no one WANTS to listen to them because they behave in an atrocious manner, their candidate actively courts the fringe, and they cannot accept defeat in any way.

I think its the height of hypocrisy for folks that can't ever get their candidate above 10% to say that the other 90% is cultish.

You just need to accept reality and grow up.

Not sure how you can say this when a recount of NH is happening as we speak. There has been many discrepencies already within the first few precincts recounted.

[FM21.105]

So after RP gets those 5 extra votes from a recount, what's going to be the next excuse? I want to know so I can schedule in advance.

[Mister Agenda]

No excuse. He's not doing well. Neither are Giuliani or Thompson. I'm sure their supporters thought they would do better than they have been so far. I'm sure many of them still think their guy has a good chance, even though it seems as though McCain or Romney have it sewed up. Personally I'm pleasantly surprised at how well RP has done. I seem to recall some posters in this forum expressing the opinion that he would not pick up a single delegate or break single digits in the primaries. Two delegates and 10% is nothing to brag about, but he's not running at the bottom of the pack, at least.

Paul has issued a statement explaining his reasons for not asking for a recount in NH.

There's no excuse for spamming and acting like a jerk, and if it were my place to apologize on behalf of those Paul supporters who do more harm than good to his campaign, I would. I DO regret their misbehavior and would rather none of you had to put up with that sort of thing.

And Paul is certainly not a perfect candidate, he probably wouldn't have had a chance of pulling over 3% in a year when all of the other Republican candidates didn't consider a preemptive nuclear strike on Iran to be an option that should be kept on the table, and the occupation of Iraq something that should continue indefinitely (up to 100 years in one case), and all but one considering torture okay if you think the information is really important (which turns out to be way more often than the ticking nuclear bomb scenario). If conditions weren't just so, many of you would probably still be saying "Ron who?". Because of his fringe postions and fringe supporters, he can only do as well as he has when his competition is REALLY sad.

In my opinion, it's the situation that has brought out the nuts at least as much as the man.

[Dr. Lao]

Originally Posted by HereticHulk

Not sure how you can say this when a recount of NH is happening as we speak. There has been many discrepencies already within the first few precincts recounted.

So, Ron is gonna magically win NH with a recount?

Or will he go from 5.2% to 5.3%?


Its a conspiracy, really, they are all out to get Ron Paul because his followers are the smartest people in the world, really, its a conspiracy, OMG 11!!11

[abenja1]

Originally Posted by Richard Masters

It looks like all the posters above me are members of a particular cult. The cult of "I'm-too-scared-to-tell-you-who-my-favorite-candidate-is-because-I-can't-think-for-myself-but-I'll-smear-yours-baselessly-to-fit-in"

ETA: User Googol hadn't posted when I wrote this.

I'll tell you who I support: Mike Gravel. Now we can talk about the Ron Paul cult of "You Better Vote For Ron Paul or Else You Don't Support The Constitution Or If you Support Clinton, Edwards, or Obama You are an NWO Shill and That Ron Paul and His Fanatic Supporters Have An Arrogance Where They Think They Are Better Than Everyone Else And If You Disagree You Hate Constitution"

[Dr Adequate]

Originally Posted by dudalb

A Paul supporter on IMDB (where their spamming has become a major pain in the butt) shows his support for Free Speech.

While I'm sure we can all agree with this delightful chap that imprisoning non-Paulistas is fair and just, it occurs to me that the prison camps required to intern 300,000,000 Americans would be so vast in extent, by comparison with the free lands where a man, and possibly his dog, can walk tall and vote Paul, that the question of which was the inside and which was the outside would be somewhat problematic.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Originally Posted by FM21.105

So after RP gets those 5 extra votes from a recount, what's going to be the next excuse? I want to know so I can schedule in advance.

Ron Paul did not ask for a recount. He said it was not worth the effort.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Ron Paul 2nd place in Nevada.

[Dr. Lao]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Ron Paul 2nd place in Nevada.

2nd place, miles and miles behind Romney, the only guy who even attempted to run in NV.

Stats are not Ron's friend.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lao

2nd place, miles and miles behind Romney, the only guy who even attempted to run in NV.

Stats are not Ron's friend.

He got more votes than Clinton.

BTW: It is a sure sign of a losing character to claim you were not trying and thats why you lost.

[Thorn]

Good work, RP supporters. He made second when I believed he would not. I count this victory to you. No irony or hidden meaning. Good job, and good luck.

I disagree with him, and many of his policies, but I wish to see his candidacy treated with the same respect as people I support or don't(Even if there is a part of his fanbase who wish not the same for their opponents). No excuse, though, to anyone who wishes to have civil discourse on any candidate, I congratulate you on your victories. There is still a long way to victory, but still.

I support Obama, but am recently taking favor to McCain, despite religious pandering. I am not cultish about my choices, as they have now been proven to change. I know the statement was generalized, and not aimed at me directly, but I remove myself from the targeting range. It is not the cultish following of any candidate I wish to be involved with, but the truly educated supporters.

Ron Paul does need to give a better answer to the newletters, though. But it is not up to the fanbase to answer, but they, too, should want answers, and should be just as willing to push for them.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Originally Posted by Thorn

Good work, RP supporters. He made second when I believed he would not. I count this victory to you. No irony or hidden meaning. Good job, and good luck.

I disagree with him, and many of his policies, but I wish to see his candidacy treated with the same respect as people I support or don't(Even if there is a part of his fanbase who wish not the same for their opponents). No excuse, though, to anyone who wishes to have civil discourse on any candidate, I congratulate you on your victories. There is still a long way to victory, but still.

I support Obama, but am recently taking favor to McCain, despite religious pandering. I am not cultish about my choices, as they have now been proven to change. I know the statement was generalized, and not aimed at me directly, but I remove myself from the targeting range. It is not the cultish following of any candidate I wish to be involved with, but the truly educated supporters.

Ron Paul does need to give a better answer to the newletters, though. But it is not up to the fanbase to answer, but they, too, should want answers, and should be just as willing to push for them.

Thanks for the reasonable response. I have no illusions of victory for Paul. The race will be Romney/Clinton with Clinton winning the presidency.

Here is the answer to your last question:

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Thanks for the reasonable response. I have no illusions of victory for Paul. The race will be Romney/Clinton with Clinton winning the presidency.

Here is the answer to your last question:

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

Unfortunately, denying outright knowing anything about something written in your name by people your work and worked with, despite it running for seven years, is not a good answer. See: Him stumbling when asked if he had ever read any of them. I don't denounce his not writing them. But people he works with were. There is no doubt there is political shadowing to this, and Paul is hiding something. I don't know what to think until there is a respectable, provable answers on the table. These newsletters should not be ignored. And holding a rally on MLK day does not make you "Not racist", it's pandering, and it makes him sound MORE racist by trying to prove something. "I can't be racist, I'm begging for money on MLK day" doesn't make a semblance of truth, especially since he didn't want the day to exist at all.

Though here's for McCain/Clinton. Romney is getting votes now, but wait til the big numbers start coming in.

[Dr. Lao]

Originally Posted by Thorn

Good work, RP supporters. He made second when I believed he would not. I count this victory to you. No irony or hidden meaning. Good job, and good luck.

He made second, but he was behind by 40%, lets tell the truth!

No one else campaigned but Romney, and Paul got his usual cadre of nuts to vote.

In SC, Paul did 3.7% last time I looked.

There is no way to spin this as anything but a loss, a big, huge loss.

We heard for months about Ron Paul surprising everyone in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, etc. And, he has constantly been behind the pack, only voted for by the usual fringe.

Numbers don't lie.

[UserGoogol]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lao

We heard for months about Ron Paul surprising everyone in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, etc. And, he has constantly been behind the pack, only voted for by the usual fringe.

To hold Ron Paul to the expectations promoted by (some of) his fans is unfair. (Some of) His fans are insane. Ron Paul did better than a reasonable person might have expected from him, and that is something. At worst, it is maintaining his kind of lame-ish results (although he could be doing a lot worse), and I wouldn't call the status quo a "big, huge loss."

(And again, I think it is of note that Ron Paul got 42% of non-religious voters according to entrance polls, which of course is utterly useless from a tactical perspective but I think shows that not all of his support is coming from Truthers and Militiamen.)

[Firestone]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

He got more votes than Clinton.

Aren't you comparing apples and oranges?

The NYT credits Clinton with 5,355 "votes", and Paul with 6,087.

But the democratic votes "reflect the number of county delegates won by the candidates", not actual votes of people. Assuming that there are more voters than delegates in a county, it may well be that Clinton got more votes than Paul.

Not that it matters a lot, of course.

[UserGoogol]

Specifically, when you take how many people showed up to caucuses and multiply that by 50.7% you get about 59,000 votes, which is more than Romney (let alone Paul) got, because Democrats had much higher turnout. (Although both numbers are much higher than usual.)

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Originally Posted by Firestone

Aren't you comparing apples and oranges?

Yes. I did so because of the sour grapes being presented because of Pauls second place finish.

[Elizabeth I]

Originally Posted by dudalb

A Paul supporter on IMDB (where their spamming has become a major pain in the butt) shows his support for Free Speech.

I got a feeling this guy was only more honest about the way a lot of Paulistas feel about anybody who does not worship at the CHurch Of Ron Paul.

Originally Posted by abenja1

The poster I am familirar with on IMDB.

Paul supporters are spamming the Internet Movie Database? Why on earth? Or is there a political site also called IMDB?

[Dr. Lao]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Yes. I did so because of the sour grapes being presented because of Pauls second place finish.

Second place, about 40 points behind first.

Now the Paul spin comes out, just getting votes is important, right.

Because, now, its not about winning, its about just getting votes.

I always thought candidates ran so that they could win, not just get at few votes and say that its a win.

Spin all you want, won't change the fact that Paul is getting clobbered in every primary and all that money he raised ain't doing squat for him.

[MaGZ]

Originally Posted by Puppycow

They really are repellant. There was one commenting over on Pharyngula and after some pro-Paul spam, he started insulting the commenters and even claimed that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was real. Was Ron Paul ever associated with the John Birch Society, I wonder?

The JBS has never endorsed the Protocols. In fact if anyone in the JBS ever suggested there was a Jewish Communist Conspiracy they were immediately removed from the John Birch Society. I suspect the JBS and National Review magazine were setup by the CIA and the ADL to prevent a real fascist anticommunist nationalist movement gaining strength here in America in the 50's and 60's.

[Cleon]

Originally Posted by MaGZ

The JBS has never endorsed the Protocols. In fact if anyone in the JBS ever suggested there was a Jewish Communist Conspiracy they were immediately removed from the John Birch Society. I suspect the JBS and National Review magazine were setup by the CIA and the ADL to prevent a real fascist anticommunist nationalist movement gaining strength here in America in the 50's and 60's.

[ravdin]

The commenter the OP quoted is off his head. But he doesn't speak for Paul or his campaign. I don't see what the big deal is. Ron Paul isn't the only candidate who attracts extremist nuts to his camp.

Women turn on 'traitor' Oprah Winfrey for backing Barack Obama

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lao

Second place, about 40 points behind first.

Now the Paul spin comes out, just getting votes is important, right.

Because, now, its not about winning, its about just getting votes.

I always thought candidates ran so that they could win, not just get at few votes and say that its a win.

Spin all you want, won't change the fact that Paul is getting clobbered in every primary and all that money he raised ain't doing squat for him.

You may be confused about the process. These are primaries and candidates receive delegates based on how many votes they get.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Originally Posted by ravdin

The commenter the OP quoted is off his head. But he doesn't speak for Paul or his campaign. I don't see what the big deal is. Ron Paul isn't the only candidate who attracts extremist nuts to his camp.

Women turn on 'traitor' Oprah Winfrey for backing Barack Obama

Not possible. This story is a fake. Only Ron Paul supporters are LOONS that make their views known!