What will be more populated, Heaven or Hell?

Greatest I am · 27th January 2008, 09:40 AM

What will be more populated, Heaven or Hell?

It is said that God could not keep evil out of Heaven. Satan was born there before the creation of the Garden of Eden and was moved there by God as a talking snake.
Evil then followed Adam and Eve and their descendents up to the genocidal flood of God.
The eight survivors of this attempted genocide then somehow sneaked evil back into the world where it happily lives right to this day.
It is unclear why God keeps failing to remove the evil that He brought with Him from Heaven.
Regardless of this question, it looks like Hell is presently quite largely populated as compared to Heaven.
At end time, God will apparently reap the good and cast the evil ones into Hell.
If the majority of us have not yet repented and this would include all other religions that do not follow Jesus, then the numbers heading for Hell will again exceed those going to Heaven.
It seems strange to me that God would be in a small Heaven and that Satan would be master of so many of God’s souls.
To me this makes God look like His philosophy is inferior to Satan’s, if the number of souls in hand is any indication of success that is.
Does any one else think this is a strange outcome to life here or am I reading things wrong?
I end with Satan many and God few. Is this accurate?

Regards
DL

Primus · 27th January 2008, 10:06 AM

Not that I think either exist.
However what makes you think that God would be the one in charge??? From looking at who appears to have the most influence God just seems a bit like Satans little brother.
Maybe he just gets the ones who would piss off all the Hell-dwellers too much.

Southwind17 · 27th January 2008, 10:12 AM

You're reading things wrong (incorrectly, actually); very wrong (incorrectly, actually)!

Primus · 27th January 2008, 10:18 AM

Come again?

Southwind17 · 27th January 2008, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Primus

And you're replys it would appear! I understand the that the words are English but still don't quite get what your trying to say. Ah well...

Greatest I Am asked a question. I answered it - honestly!

Primus · 27th January 2008, 10:31 AM

OK. I think it was the (incorrectly, actually)s that threw me. I've been sat in a room with 25 different bands playing 25 different songs at the same time all afternoon. Does not do wonders for following stuff when you've got a splitting headache

Greatest I am · 27th January 2008, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Primus

Not that I think either exist.
However what makes you think that God would be the one in charge??? From looking at who appears to have the most influence God just seems a bit like Satans little brother.
Maybe he just gets the ones who would piss off all the Hell-dwellers too much.

You may be right.

I usually give God a bit more power than Satan because He seems to boss Satan around in Job.

I was just wondering why God would give Satan dominion over so many at end time virsus so few for Him. Makes Him look like a loser.

Regards
DL

Primus · 27th January 2008, 10:38 AM

Maybe Satan is the big cheese but God has the better PR guy?

Southwind17 · 27th January 2008, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Primus

I've been sat in a room with 25 different bands playing 25 different songs at the same time all afternoon.

What on Earth would possess one to do that?! BTW: it's "sitting", not "sat", but maybe that's down to the throbbing head too!

the PC apeman · 27th January 2008, 10:46 AM

Shoel

Primus · 27th January 2008, 10:47 AM

Unsigned band competition. The waiting room was hell!
My girlfriend always corrects me on the sitting/sat debate. You are of course correct in your grammatical observation there but it more due to being from Lancashire than having a headache. I'm afraid thats just how people speak where I'm from

Rodney · 27th January 2008, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

What will be more populated, Heaven or Hell?

Randi Forum Members: 1% Heaven, 99% Hell
Non-Randi Forum Members: 99% Heaven, 1% Hell

Tumblehome · 27th January 2008, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Primus

The waiting room was hell!

So you've been there. Were there more people than in heaven? Greatest I Am wants to know.

SimonD · 27th January 2008, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

You may be right.

I usually give God a bit more power than Satan because He seems to boss Satan around in Job.

I was just wondering why God would give Satan dominion over so many at end time virsus so few for Him. Makes Him look like a loser.

Regards
DL

I always thought that God was tricked into doing Satan's bidding in Job.

The way I remember it Satan goes to God and says "Hey, that Job bloke only likes you 'cause he's got everything". To which God says "I show you, mate" and then goes about beating the crap out of Job.

I can just see the devil laughing to himself and God goes about wasting Job's family, slaves, land et. al.

Southwind17 · 27th January 2008, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Primus

Unsigned band competition. The waiting room was hell!
My girlfriend always corrects me on the sitting/sat debate. You are of course correct in your grammatical observation there but it more due to being from Lancashire than having a headache. I'm afraid thats just how people speak where I'm from

Bollocks. I lived in Stockport for six years and was born & bred in Sheffield, so you've got no excuse mate!

Let me guess: Bury or Bolton?

Furi · 28th January 2008, 05:48 AM

(excluding my personal viewpoint)
Hell would indeed be over populated, for the following reasons

All people before the formation of that particular faith
all people outside of the sphere of influence of that faith
all people within the SOI of faith that subscribed to other faiths
all people within SOI of faith that followed Variances of that faith and therefore not eligible
all Athiests and agnostics
anyone/thing that the faith has decided makes you non eligible to the heaven Health club and spa due to a technicality (suicides Non baptised Infants pets and sentient robots etc)
all people that followed faith to the letter, but with a transgression
people who believe in the faith but because of a transgression realise that their afterlife is now doomed decide to become professional sinners,

People in heaven = The whole of humanity after date of inception of faith within expanding sphere of influence, that managed to live to all teachings of that faith regardless of how they have changed due to social expediancy, God and Jeebus

Nogbad · 28th January 2008, 06:08 AM

According to Revelation, Lucifer took a third of the stars of heaven with him when he was asked to leave. Presuming heaven and all the Angels were made by God and that the Angels were in heaven and saw God why did they rebel? Why did God make Angels that would turn against him? He also created Man and the same thing happens, so they get booted from Eden.

What is really going on here?

Tricky · 28th January 2008, 06:10 AM

There will be exactly the same number in each.

Cold one · 28th January 2008, 06:17 AM

Does it really matter which will have the larger population? Seriously they will be the very similar to whoever is in either one. Heaven and hell are absolutes meaning that they do not have there opposites with which to be measured, without love/hate there is no hate/love so on and so forth. As far as eternal torment goes you wont notice it because without feeling the opposite of torment you wont notice any difference.

this charming man · 28th January 2008, 06:20 AM

Greatest I am: Why do ask loaded questions?

The question:
"What will be more populated, Heaven or Hell?" is loaded.
you have also asked:
"Why is homosexuality wrong?"; this is also a loaded question.

I am trying to understand where you are coming from.

Do you mean to ask- If there is a heaven and hell, which place do you think will be more populated?

Do you mean to ask- Why do some people think homosexuality wrong?

I ask because I truly want to understand your line of thinking.

It would be unfair of me if I were to ask:

Why is chocolate the best food ever?
or
Why is Joy Division the greatest band to ever play music?

These questions are loaded because I have already determined that chocolate and Joy Division are the best and/or the greatest; people are now basically trapped into answering a question that is erroneous from the start.

Though I may feel the Joy Division is the best, many other people would have a valid argument to the contrary; however, with the way I asked the question, it would be difficult to answer it.

If one were to say:

Joy Division is not the best; this group is, and here is why...

I could respond by saying that is not what I asked....

Again, I pose my question because I would like to know if you simply ask in haste and neglect to make your query in a better manner, or if you have no interest in having a civil discussion, and you just want raise hackles.

bokonon · 28th January 2008, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

There will be exactly the same number in each.

Zero.

Tricky · 28th January 2008, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by bokonon

Zero.

Ah. You did the math.

Greatest I am · 28th January 2008, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by Nogbad

According to Revelation, Lucifer took a third of the stars of heaven with him when he was asked to leave. Presuming heaven and all the Angels were made by God and that the Angels were in heaven and saw God why did they rebel? Why did God make Angels that would turn against him? He also created Man and the same thing happens, so they get booted from Eden.

What is really going on here?

Not only that but God put that talking snake in the garden to insure that He could do a one-upmanship on Adam and Eve.
Not a fair fight I would say.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am · 28th January 2008, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by Cold one

Does it really matter which will have the larger population? Seriously they will be the very similar to whoever is in either one. Heaven and hell are absolutes meaning that they do not have there opposites with which to be measured, without love/hate there is no hate/love so on and so forth. As far as eternal torment goes you wont notice it because without feeling the opposite of torment you wont notice any difference.

Thank God for that.

Regards
DL

Furi · 28th January 2008, 06:40 AM

Joy Division were not the greatest band ever, Siouxsie and the banshees were.

You JDNO believing Asabtist are all alike always promoting that Joy division as the only way,

While I can see that Joy Division has certain merits and can offer enjoyment for those that require specific thoughts and comforts offered by JD , compared to the golden throated warbler that is Shazza they pale into insignificance.

Greatest I am · 28th January 2008, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by this charming man

Greatest I am: Why do ask loaded questions?

The question:
"What will be more populated, Heaven or Hell?" is loaded.
you have also asked:
"Why is homosexuality wrong?"; this is also a loaded question.

I am trying to understand where you are coming from.

Do you mean to ask- If there is a heaven and hell, which place do you think will be more populated?

Do you mean to ask- Why do some people think homosexuality wrong?

I ask because I truly want to understand your line of thinking.

It would be unfair of me if I were to ask:

Why is chocolate the best food ever?
or
Why is Joy Division the greatest band to ever play music?

These questions are loaded because I have already determined that chocolate and Joy Division are the best and/or the greatest; people are now basically trapped into answering a question that is erroneous from the start.

Though I may feel the Joy Division is the best, many other people would have a valid argument to the contrary; however, with the way I asked the question, it would be difficult to answer it.

If one were to say:

Joy Division is not the best; this group is, and here is why...

I could respond by saying that is not what I asked....

Again, I pose my question because I would like to know if you simply ask in haste and neglect to make your query in a better manner, or if you have no interest in having a civil discussion, and you just want raise hackles.

I refuse to answer because I do not like the way you pose the question.

Regards
DL

Loss Leader · 28th January 2008, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

Is this accurate?

No.

this charming man · 28th January 2008, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

I refuse to answer because I do not like the way you pose the question.

Regards
DL

Your non-answer is all the answer I need.

this charming man · 28th January 2008, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by Furi

Joy Division were not the greatest band ever, Siouxsie and the banshees were.

That is not what I asked.

Originally Posted by Furi

You JDNO believing Asabtist are all alike always promoting that Joy division as the only way,

While I can see that Joy Division has certain merits and can offer enjoyment for those that require specific thoughts and comforts offered by JD , compared to the golden throated warbler that is Shazza they pale into insignificance.

Siouxsie is a PILF.

kbm99 · 28th January 2008, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by this charming man

Siouxsie is a PILF.

PILF? . . . PILF!?!?

Pensioner?
Principal?
Priest?
Princess?
Pundit?
Protractor?
Performer?
Pony?
Prime Minister?
Parsnip?

. . . . I'm stumped. What, exactly, would you like to _______?

Bikewer · 28th January 2008, 07:27 AM

Isn't it the Seventh-Day Adventists that maintain only 144,000 thousand of the most faithful get to make it?
With a total church membership in the millions, this seems to me to be an extremely bad bet....

From the Protestant viewpoint, it'd have to be way skewed towards Hell; you have to have that Born Again creds before you're in.
That leaves out whole bunches of people.

this charming man · 28th January 2008, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by kbm99

PILF? . . . PILF!?!?

Pensioner?
Principal?
Priest?
Princess?
Pundit?
Protractor?
Performer?
Pony?
Prime Minister?
Parsnip?

. . . . I'm stumped. What, exactly, would you like to _______?

Punk

Nogbad · 28th January 2008, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by Furi

Joy Division were not the greatest band ever, Siouxsie and the banshees were.

You JDNO believing Asabtist are all alike always promoting that Joy division as the only way,

While I can see that Joy Division has certain merits and can offer enjoyment for those that require specific thoughts and comforts offered by JD , compared to the golden throated warbler that is Shazza they pale into insignificance.

Upstarts both - Jethro Tull now there is a band

this charming man · 28th January 2008, 07:28 AM

Cake please [/izzard]

H3LL · 28th January 2008, 07:41 AM

What will be more populated, Heaven or Hell?

I think the population is exactly the same as Narnia, Middle Earth, Fairyland and Planet-X.

Furi · 28th January 2008, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by Nogbad

Upstarts both - Jethro Tull now there is a band

Tull isn't within the same classification, they are beyond mere Band status, there is nothing better that having 4-5 friends drunkenly singing (loose definition) along to Skating away or thick as a brick, while pretending to bounce and play flute where applicable. but for general everyday listening it would be SATB then half man half biscuit, then as the mood dictates after that point.

Tull, Yes, Hawkwind, Floyd, the Nice, ELP, king Crimson etc all enter into the Late night Drunken mellow slot

NeilC · 28th January 2008, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Furi

Tull isn't within the same classification, they are beyond mere Band status, there is nothing better that having 4-5 friends drunkenly singing (loose definition) along to Skating away or thick as a brick, while pretending to bounce and play flute where applicable. but for general everyday listening it would be SATB then half man half biscuit, then as the mood dictates after that point.

Unless that is you have a life of course ;-)

Beerina · 28th January 2008, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

You may be right.

I usually give God a bit more power than Satan because He seems to boss Satan around in Job.

I was just wondering why God would give Satan dominion over so many at end time virsus so few for Him. Makes Him look like a loser.

Regards
DL

Remember when the US was taking out Saddam, and that Baghdad Bob kept saying, "No, the Americans are not right outside Baghdad. We are beating them back."?

It's possible Yahweh is losing this war, and all Job and other books (especially Revelation) are nothing more than war propaganda by the evil side, God.

Think about it. Satan wanted you to have knowledge of good and evil. God did not. It is God who condemns most of humanity to be tortured for ever and ever, for no other reason than that they didn't believe in him, or chose not to follow him if they did. These are the actions of a dictator.

Greatest I am · 28th January 2008, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Loss Leader

No.

Enlighten us.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am · 28th January 2008, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Bikewer

Isn't it the Seventh-Day Adventists that maintain only 144,000 thousand of the most faithful get to make it?
With a total church membership in the millions, this seems to me to be an extremely bad bet....

From the Protestant viewpoint, it'd have to be way skewed towards Hell; you have to have that Born Again creds before you're in.
That leaves out whole bunches of people.

The 144,000 are virgins.

Who would want to follow people who have no reproductive tendencies.
This would be the same as following homosexuals. They share this same trait.

Regards
DL

27th January 2008, 09:40 AM	#1
Greatest I am Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,126	What will be more populated, Heaven or Hell? What will be more populated, Heaven or Hell? It is said that God could not keep evil out of Heaven. Satan was born there before the creation of the Garden of Eden and was moved there by God as a talking snake. Evil then followed Adam and Eve and their descendents up to the genocidal flood of God. The eight survivors of this attempted genocide then somehow sneaked evil back into the world where it happily lives right to this day. It is unclear why God keeps failing to remove the evil that He brought with Him from Heaven. Regardless of this question, it looks like Hell is presently quite largely populated as compared to Heaven. At end time, God will apparently reap the good and cast the evil ones into Hell. If the majority of us have not yet repented and this would include all other religions that do not follow Jesus, then the numbers heading for Hell will again exceed those going to Heaven. It seems strange to me that God would be in a small Heaven and that Satan would be master of so many of God’s souls. To me this makes God look like His philosophy is inferior to Satan’s, if the number of souls in hand is any indication of success that is. Does any one else think this is a strange outcome to life here or am I reading things wrong? I end with Satan many and God few. Is this accurate? Regards DL
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27th January 2008, 10:12 AM	#3
Southwind17 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Location: Location Posts: 4,461	You're reading things wrong (incorrectly, actually); very wrong (incorrectly, actually)!
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27th January 2008, 10:18 AM	#4
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27th January 2008, 10:21 AM	#5
Southwind17 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Location: Location Posts: 4,461	Originally Posted by Primus And you're replys it would appear! I understand the that the words are English but still don't quite get what your trying to say. Ah well... Greatest I Am asked a question. I answered it - honestly!
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27th January 2008, 10:35 AM	#7
Greatest I am Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,126	Originally Posted by Primus Not that I think either exist. However what makes you think that God would be the one in charge??? From looking at who appears to have the most influence God just seems a bit like Satans little brother. Maybe he just gets the ones who would piss off all the Hell-dwellers too much. You may be right. I usually give God a bit more power than Satan because He seems to boss Satan around in Job. I was just wondering why God would give Satan dominion over so many at end time virsus so few for Him. Makes Him look like a loser. Regards DL
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27th January 2008, 10:06 AM	#2
Primus Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 489	Not that I think either exist. However what makes you think that God would be the one in charge??? From looking at who appears to have the most influence God just seems a bit like Satans little brother. Maybe he just gets the ones who would piss off all the Hell-dwellers too much.

27th January 2008, 10:31 AM	#6
Primus Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 489	OK. I think it was the (incorrectly, actually)s that threw me. I've been sat in a room with 25 different bands playing 25 different songs at the same time all afternoon. Does not do wonders for following stuff when you've got a splitting headache

27th January 2008, 10:38 AM	#8
Primus Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 489	Maybe Satan is the big cheese but God has the better PR guy?

27th January 2008, 10:40 AM	#9
Southwind17 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Location: Location Posts: 4,461	Originally Posted by Primus I've been sat in a room with 25 different bands playing 25 different songs at the same time all afternoon. What on Earth would possess one to do that?! BTW: it's "sitting", not "sat", but maybe that's down to the throbbing head too!
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27th January 2008, 10:46 AM	#10
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27th January 2008, 10:47 AM	#11
Primus Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 489	Unsigned band competition. The waiting room was hell! My girlfriend always corrects me on the sitting/sat debate. You are of course correct in your grammatical observation there but it more due to being from Lancashire than having a headache. I'm afraid thats just how people speak where I'm from

27th January 2008, 03:27 PM	#12
Rodney Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,942	Originally Posted by Greatest I am What will be more populated, Heaven or Hell? Randi Forum Members: 1% Heaven, 99% Hell Non-Randi Forum Members: 99% Heaven, 1% Hell
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27th January 2008, 09:35 PM	#13
Tumblehome Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Beside the point Posts: 1,445	Originally Posted by Primus The waiting room was hell! So you've been there. Were there more people than in heaven? Greatest I Am wants to know.
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27th January 2008, 09:41 PM	#14
SimonD Rouge Element Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Talking with Glyph Posts: 1,044	Originally Posted by Greatest I am You may be right. I usually give God a bit more power than Satan because He seems to boss Satan around in Job. I was just wondering why God would give Satan dominion over so many at end time virsus so few for Him. Makes Him look like a loser. Regards DL I always thought that God was tricked into doing Satan's bidding in Job. The way I remember it Satan goes to God and says "Hey, that Job bloke only likes you 'cause he's got everything". To which God says "I show you, mate" and then goes about beating the crap out of Job. I can just see the devil laughing to himself and God goes about wasting Job's family, slaves, land et. al.
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27th January 2008, 09:45 PM	#15
Southwind17 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Location: Location Posts: 4,461	Originally Posted by Primus Unsigned band competition. The waiting room was hell! My girlfriend always corrects me on the sitting/sat debate. You are of course correct in your grammatical observation there but it more due to being from Lancashire than having a headache. I'm afraid thats just how people speak where I'm from Bollocks. I lived in Stockport for six years and was born & bred in Sheffield, so you've got no excuse mate! Let me guess: Bury or Bolton?
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28th January 2008, 05:48 AM	#16
Furi Felix Sapiens Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Living life in the bus lane Posts: 2,006	(excluding my personal viewpoint) Hell would indeed be over populated, for the following reasons All people before the formation of that particular faith all people outside of the sphere of influence of that faith all people within the SOI of faith that subscribed to other faiths all people within SOI of faith that followed Variances of that faith and therefore not eligible all Athiests and agnostics anyone/thing that the faith has decided makes you non eligible to the heaven Health club and spa due to a technicality (suicides Non baptised Infants pets and sentient robots etc) all people that followed faith to the letter, but with a transgression people who believe in the faith but because of a transgression realise that their afterlife is now doomed decide to become professional sinners, People in heaven = The whole of humanity after date of inception of faith within expanding sphere of influence, that managed to live to all teachings of that faith regardless of how they have changed due to social expediancy, God and Jeebus
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28th January 2008, 06:08 AM	#17
Nogbad Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,515	According to Revelation, Lucifer took a third of the stars of heaven with him when he was asked to leave. Presuming heaven and all the Angels were made by God and that the Angels were in heaven and saw God why did they rebel? Why did God make Angels that would turn against him? He also created Man and the same thing happens, so they get booted from Eden. What is really going on here?

28th January 2008, 06:10 AM	#18
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,371	There will be exactly the same number in each.

28th January 2008, 06:17 AM	#19
Cold one Scholar Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 81	Does it really matter which will have the larger population? Seriously they will be the very similar to whoever is in either one. Heaven and hell are absolutes meaning that they do not have there opposites with which to be measured, without love/hate there is no hate/love so on and so forth. As far as eternal torment goes you wont notice it because without feeling the opposite of torment you wont notice any difference.
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28th January 2008, 06:20 AM	#20
this charming man A jumped up pantry boy Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: On a hillside desolate Posts: 1,117	Greatest I am: Why do ask loaded questions? The question: "What will be more populated, Heaven or Hell?" is loaded. you have also asked: "Why is homosexuality wrong?"; this is also a loaded question. I am trying to understand where you are coming from. Do you mean to ask- If there is a heaven and hell, which place do you think will be more populated? Do you mean to ask- Why do some people think homosexuality wrong? I ask because I truly want to understand your line of thinking. It would be unfair of me if I were to ask: Why is chocolate the best food ever? or Why is Joy Division the greatest band to ever play music? These questions are loaded because I have already determined that chocolate and Joy Division are the best and/or the greatest; people are now basically trapped into answering a question that is erroneous from the start. Though I may feel the Joy Division is the best, many other people would have a valid argument to the contrary; however, with the way I asked the question, it would be difficult to answer it. If one were to say: Joy Division is not the best; this group is, and here is why... I could respond by saying that is not what I asked.... Again, I pose my question because I would like to know if you simply ask in haste and neglect to make your query in a better manner, or if you have no interest in having a civil discussion, and you just want raise hackles.
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28th January 2008, 06:20 AM	#21
bokonon Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,444	Originally Posted by Tricky There will be exactly the same number in each. Zero.
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28th January 2008, 06:31 AM	#22
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,371	Originally Posted by bokonon Zero. Ah. You did the math.

28th January 2008, 06:38 AM	#23
Greatest I am Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,126	Originally Posted by Nogbad According to Revelation, Lucifer took a third of the stars of heaven with him when he was asked to leave. Presuming heaven and all the Angels were made by God and that the Angels were in heaven and saw God why did they rebel? Why did God make Angels that would turn against him? He also created Man and the same thing happens, so they get booted from Eden. What is really going on here? Not only that but God put that talking snake in the garden to insure that He could do a one-upmanship on Adam and Eve. Not a fair fight I would say. Regards DL
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28th January 2008, 06:39 AM	#24
Greatest I am Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,126	Originally Posted by Cold one Does it really matter which will have the larger population? Seriously they will be the very similar to whoever is in either one. Heaven and hell are absolutes meaning that they do not have there opposites with which to be measured, without love/hate there is no hate/love so on and so forth. As far as eternal torment goes you wont notice it because without feeling the opposite of torment you wont notice any difference. Thank God for that. Regards DL
Greatest I am Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,126

28th January 2008, 06:40 AM	#25
Furi Felix Sapiens Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Living life in the bus lane Posts: 2,006	Joy Division were not the greatest band ever, Siouxsie and the banshees were. You JDNO believing Asabtist are all alike always promoting that Joy division as the only way, While I can see that Joy Division has certain merits and can offer enjoyment for those that require specific thoughts and comforts offered by JD , compared to the golden throated warbler that is Shazza they pale into insignificance.
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28th January 2008, 06:43 AM	#26
Greatest I am Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,126	Originally Posted by this charming man Greatest I am: Why do ask loaded questions? The question: "What will be more populated, Heaven or Hell?" is loaded. you have also asked: "Why is homosexuality wrong?"; this is also a loaded question. I am trying to understand where you are coming from. Do you mean to ask- If there is a heaven and hell, which place do you think will be more populated? Do you mean to ask- Why do some people think homosexuality wrong? I ask because I truly want to understand your line of thinking. It would be unfair of me if I were to ask: Why is chocolate the best food ever? or Why is Joy Division the greatest band to ever play music? These questions are loaded because I have already determined that chocolate and Joy Division are the best and/or the greatest; people are now basically trapped into answering a question that is erroneous from the start. Though I may feel the Joy Division is the best, many other people would have a valid argument to the contrary; however, with the way I asked the question, it would be difficult to answer it. If one were to say: Joy Division is not the best; this group is, and here is why... I could respond by saying that is not what I asked.... Again, I pose my question because I would like to know if you simply ask in haste and neglect to make your query in a better manner, or if you have no interest in having a civil discussion, and you just want raise hackles. I refuse to answer because I do not like the way you pose the question. Regards DL
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28th January 2008, 06:46 AM	#27
Loss Leader Opinionated Jerk Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York Posts: 11,885	Originally Posted by Greatest I am Is this accurate? No.
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28th January 2008, 06:53 AM	#29
this charming man A jumped up pantry boy Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: On a hillside desolate Posts: 1,117	Originally Posted by Furi Joy Division were not the greatest band ever, Siouxsie and the banshees were. That is not what I asked. Originally Posted by Furi You JDNO believing Asabtist are all alike always promoting that Joy division as the only way, While I can see that Joy Division has certain merits and can offer enjoyment for those that require specific thoughts and comforts offered by JD , compared to the golden throated warbler that is Shazza they pale into insignificance. Siouxsie is a PILF.
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28th January 2008, 07:23 AM	#30
kbm99 Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 271	Originally Posted by this charming man Siouxsie is a PILF. PILF? . . . PILF!?!? Pensioner? Principal? Priest? Princess? Pundit? Protractor? Performer? Pony? Prime Minister? Parsnip? . . . . I'm stumped. What, exactly, would you like to _______?
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28th January 2008, 07:27 AM	#31
Bikewer Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 9,532	Isn't it the Seventh-Day Adventists that maintain only 144,000 thousand of the most faithful get to make it? With a total church membership in the millions, this seems to me to be an extremely bad bet.... From the Protestant viewpoint, it'd have to be way skewed towards Hell; you have to have that Born Again creds before you're in. That leaves out whole bunches of people.

28th January 2008, 07:27 AM	#32
this charming man A jumped up pantry boy Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: On a hillside desolate Posts: 1,117	Originally Posted by kbm99 PILF? . . . PILF!?!? Pensioner? Principal? Priest? Princess? Pundit? Protractor? Performer? Pony? Prime Minister? Parsnip? . . . . I'm stumped. What, exactly, would you like to _______? Punk
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28th January 2008, 07:28 AM	#33
Nogbad Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,515	Originally Posted by Furi Joy Division were not the greatest band ever, Siouxsie and the banshees were. You JDNO believing Asabtist are all alike always promoting that Joy division as the only way, While I can see that Joy Division has certain merits and can offer enjoyment for those that require specific thoughts and comforts offered by JD , compared to the golden throated warbler that is Shazza they pale into insignificance. Upstarts both - Jethro Tull now there is a band

28th January 2008, 07:41 AM	#35
H3LL Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: (ləʊˈkeɪʃən) - n. 1. a site or position; situation. Posts: 4,976	What will be more populated, Heaven or Hell? I think the population is exactly the same as Narnia, Middle Earth, Fairyland and Planet-X.
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28th January 2008, 07:43 AM	#36
Furi Felix Sapiens Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Living life in the bus lane Posts: 2,006	Originally Posted by Nogbad Upstarts both - Jethro Tull now there is a band Tull isn't within the same classification, they are beyond mere Band status, there is nothing better that having 4-5 friends drunkenly singing (loose definition) along to Skating away or thick as a brick, while pretending to bounce and play flute where applicable. but for general everyday listening it would be SATB then half man half biscuit, then as the mood dictates after that point. Tull, Yes, Hawkwind, Floyd, the Nice, ELP, king Crimson etc all enter into the Late night Drunken mellow slot
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28th January 2008, 07:55 AM	#37
NeilC Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,331	Originally Posted by Furi Tull isn't within the same classification, they are beyond mere Band status, there is nothing better that having 4-5 friends drunkenly singing (loose definition) along to Skating away or thick as a brick, while pretending to bounce and play flute where applicable. but for general everyday listening it would be SATB then half man half biscuit, then as the mood dictates after that point. Unless that is you have a life of course ;-)