Prove me wrong

zen · 31st January 2008, 01:10 PM

Moved from "Conjurer's Corner".

Posted By:Darat

Magic doesn't exist; prove me wrong.

Darat · 31st January 2008, 01:17 PM

Er... you are joking? I mean you can pick up hundreds of books showing you exactly how to perform magic, there are many websites out there that discuss the techniques and so on.

rjwould · 31st January 2008, 01:24 PM

magic is perception, isn't it? I mean, the fact that I woke up this morning could be magic to me, and therefore, does exist.

Garrette · 31st January 2008, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by zen

Magic doesn't exist; prove me wrong.

I just did. Check your pockets.

TheDoLittle · 31st January 2008, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Garrette

I just did. Check your pockets.

You're taking too long to check your pockets, dude...

There is a difference between checking your pockets and getting a free ball in pocket pinball!

Bob Klase · 31st January 2008, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by zen

Magic doesn't exist; prove me wrong.

Define "magic". If you're not familiar with looking up word definitions, here's a couple to get you started:

magic:

1- The art that purports to control or forecast natural events, effects, or forces by invoking the supernatural.

2- The exercise of sleight of hand or conjuring for entertainment.

3- The practice of using charms, spells, or rituals to attempt to produce supernatural effects or control events in nature.

Course you might want to find something that doesn't have the abundance of evidence available for those three.

Skullaxide · 31st January 2008, 10:14 PM

But it says it exists in my Wicca: Beginners Handbook!
Also, a few magicians have exposed their illusions to the public, there are magic books showing you exactly how to perform said tricks as Darat said and there's nothin' paranormal about it, some of the best debunker's of the paranormal have been magicians.

It exists and there is proof! PROOOOOF!!!

Redtail · 1st February 2008, 05:21 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-5bkCkQ3V0

ETA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeDaNGzUYM8

AgeGap · 1st February 2008, 06:14 AM

Redtail, that went straight over my head.
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zen · 11th February 2008, 03:01 PM

Darat, you must be able to cast magic spells, right? Or do you have fake psychic power. Or maybe you can talk to the undead....I think someone with sketzofrenia can do that too.

Gravy · 11th February 2008, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by zen

Darat, you must be able to cast magic spells, right? Or do you have fake psychic power. Or maybe you can talk to the undead....I think someone with sketzofrenia can do that too.

If magic exists, it is certainly not in your prose.

I don't know about you, but I do all my talking to the undead.

It is not currently possible to prove that "paranormal" powers or abilities cannot exist.

Normal Dude · 12th February 2008, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by Gravy

I don't know about you, but I do all my talking to the undead.

A little sensitivity please! They prefer to be called the living-impaired.

Soapy Sam · 12th February 2008, 05:23 AM

You mean "The Fresh Start Club"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reg_Sho..._Reginald_Shoe

Complexity · 12th February 2008, 06:17 AM

Uncouth rather than woo.

blauregen · 12th February 2008, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by Bob Klase

Define "magic". If you're not familiar with looking up word definitions, here's a couple to get you started:

magic:

1- The art that purports to control or forecast natural events, effects, or forces by invoking the supernatural.

2- The exercise of sleight of hand or conjuring for entertainment.

3- The practice of using charms, spells, or rituals to attempt to produce supernatural effects or control events in nature.

Course you might want to find something that doesn't have the abundance of evidence available for those three.

You forgot Crowley: The Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will.

Ron_Tomkins · 12th February 2008, 09:18 AM

*Cough*troll*cough cough*!!

Gravy · 12th February 2008, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Normal Dude

A little sensitivity please! They prefer to be called the living-impaired.

I was thinking of undead as "not dead." Being an English major has negatively affected my zombie enjoyment.

Hellkat9940 · 12th February 2008, 08:58 PM

Pray tell, this wouldn't be the sort of 'zombie enjoyment' that has the living impaired starting up and joining support groups now is it?

Jeff Corey · 12th February 2008, 09:07 PM

Isn't the nonliving impaired?

devnull · 13th February 2008, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by zen

Moved from "Conjurer's Corner".

Posted By:Darat

Magic doesn't exist; prove me wrong.

No. Prove yourself right.

Whiplash · 13th February 2008, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by devnull

No. Prove yourself right.

Exactly!

Marc L · 14th February 2008, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

I was thinking of undead as "not dead." Being an English major has negatively affected my zombie enjoyment.

I'd ask you what you meant by that, but I'm terribly afraid that you might tell me.

Marc

31st January 2008, 01:17 PM	#2
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 45,894	Er... you are joking? I mean you can pick up hundreds of books showing you exactly how to perform magic, there are many websites out there that discuss the techniques and so on.
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31st January 2008, 01:24 PM	#3
rjwould Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 314	magic is perception, isn't it? I mean, the fact that I woke up this morning could be magic to me, and therefore, does exist.
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31st January 2008, 02:11 PM	#4
Garrette Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,927	Originally Posted by zen Magic doesn't exist; prove me wrong. I just did. Check your pockets.
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31st January 2008, 02:46 PM	#5
TheDoLittle Disco King Discombobulator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 1,145	Originally Posted by Garrette I just did. Check your pockets. You're taking too long to check your pockets, dude... There is a difference between checking your pockets and getting a free ball in pocket pinball!
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31st January 2008, 03:57 PM	#6
Bob Klase Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Largo, FL Posts: 2,389	Originally Posted by zen Magic doesn't exist; prove me wrong. Define "magic". If you're not familiar with looking up word definitions, here's a couple to get you started: magic: 1- The art that purports to control or forecast natural events, effects, or forces by invoking the supernatural. 2- The exercise of sleight of hand or conjuring for entertainment. 3- The practice of using charms, spells, or rituals to attempt to produce supernatural effects or control events in nature. Course you might want to find something that doesn't have the abundance of evidence available for those three.
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Skullaxide Scholar Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand Posts: 69	But it says it exists in my Wicca: Beginners Handbook! Also, a few magicians have exposed their illusions to the public, there are magic books showing you exactly how to perform said tricks as Darat said and there's nothin' paranormal about it, some of the best debunker's of the paranormal have been magicians. It exists and there is proof! PROOOOOF!!!

1st February 2008, 05:21 AM	#8
Redtail Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,433	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-5bkCkQ3V0 ETA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeDaNGzUYM8
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11th February 2008, 03:01 PM	#10
zen New Blood Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 12	Darat, you must be able to cast magic spells, right? Or do you have fake psychic power. Or maybe you can talk to the undead....I think someone with sketzofrenia can do that too.
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11th February 2008, 03:58 PM	#11
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,062	Originally Posted by zen Darat, you must be able to cast magic spells, right? Or do you have fake psychic power. Or maybe you can talk to the undead....I think someone with sketzofrenia can do that too. If magic exists, it is certainly not in your prose. I don't know about you, but I do all my talking to the undead. It is not currently possible to prove that "paranormal" powers or abilities cannot exist.
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12th February 2008, 03:55 AM	#12
Normal Dude Space Shuttle Door Gunner Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: W/ The Evil Council Posts: 2,488	Originally Posted by Gravy I don't know about you, but I do all my talking to the undead. A little sensitivity please! They prefer to be called the living-impaired.
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Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 17,388	You mean "The Fresh Start Club"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reg_Sho..._Reginald_Shoe
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Complexity The Woo Whisperer Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eden Prairie, Minnesota, USA (a suburb of Minneapolis) Posts: 3,691	Uncouth rather than woo.
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12th February 2008, 06:20 AM	#15
blauregen Thinker Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 229	Originally Posted by Bob Klase Define "magic". If you're not familiar with looking up word definitions, here's a couple to get you started: magic: 1- The art that purports to control or forecast natural events, effects, or forces by invoking the supernatural. 2- The exercise of sleight of hand or conjuring for entertainment. 3- The practice of using charms, spells, or rituals to attempt to produce supernatural effects or control events in nature. Course you might want to find something that doesn't have the abundance of evidence available for those three. You forgot Crowley: The Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will.
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12th February 2008, 09:18 AM	#16
Ron_Tomkins Satan's Helper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 13,606	Coughtrollcough cough!!

12th February 2008, 09:57 AM	#17
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,062	Originally Posted by Normal Dude A little sensitivity please! They prefer to be called the living-impaired. I was thinking of undead as "not dead." Being an English major has negatively affected my zombie enjoyment.
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12th February 2008, 08:58 PM	#18
Hellkat9940 Student Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 31	Pray tell, this wouldn't be the sort of 'zombie enjoyment' that has the living impaired starting up and joining support groups now is it?
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12th February 2008, 09:07 PM	#19
Jeff Corey New York Skeptic Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,404	Isn't the nonliving impaired?

13th February 2008, 04:18 AM	#21
Whiplash Acting like a maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shipwrecked and Comatose Posts: 3,008	Originally Posted by devnull No. Prove yourself right. Exactly!
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Marc L Thread Killer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,743	Originally Posted by Gravy I was thinking of undead as "not dead." Being an English major has negatively affected my zombie enjoyment. I'd ask you what you meant by that, but I'm terribly afraid that you might tell me. Marc
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