Rocket Silos discovered in Gaza

[webfusion]

Originally Posted by E.J.Armstrong

And when Israelis set up terrorist groups like Irgun and the Stern Gang in bombing Israel from the British - that was also a less productive option presumably? Got you.

The people who set up the quasi-military organizations you mentioned, were not "Israelis" at all (since there was no such thing as "Israelis" until after 1947).
Stern himself was indeed reviled by the mainstream of the Yishuv, and had little support.

"Irgun" (The Organization) came about as a result of the ineffective official protection provided by the British to the jews of the Yishuv, specifically in the wake of the arab massacres of jews in 1929.

I don't exactly understand the term "less productive option" in your comments, EJ. What are you driving at here?

[The Fool]

Originally Posted by webfusion

The people who set up the quasi-military organizations you mentioned, were not "Israelis" at all (since there was no such thing as "Israelis" until after 1947).

You don't want them referred to as Israelis? What should we call people who fought the British on the North american continent...The ones that established The United States of America. Would you attempt to correct someone who called them Americans?

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Stern himself was indeed reviled by the mainstream of the Yishuv, and had little support.

So Reviled that he and all who fought in his Terrorist group (quasi-military organization) were given medals...Stern got his head on a stamp.

Here are the first three Paragraphs of your current leaders speech on the occasion of the special sitting of the Knesset to commemorate 100 years since the birth of this reviled man.

http://www.pmo.gov.il/PMOEng/Communi...tern290108.htm

Today, the Knesset honors the memory of Avraham Stern, “Yair”, fighter for the freedom of Israel, commander of the fighting underground, philosopher, poet and intellect, lover of his people and his country, zealous and passionate in his beliefs, desperately dedicated to his mission.


One hundred years have passed since “Yair” was born, but he only lived for 35 stormy years until he was murdered in the prime of his life, in cold blood, by an officer of the British secret police in a safe house in the Florentine neighborhood of Tel Aviv. On the monument erected in his memory by his comrades and subordinates on the way to Jerusalem, a line from his poem, “For You Are Sacred to Me, My Homeland!” is engraved:


“For you are sacred to me, my Homeland
According to Jewish law.
A bowing maidservant, kneeling and lost,
I am a husband to you and redeemer---
He will come, the great one will certainly come,
The dismantler of the burden, the redeemer,
He who raises up the bent and releases the chains –
A day of freedom in the Kingdom of Israel.”


Yep...can't you just feel the revulsion.....

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by The Fool

You don't want them referred to as Israelis? What should we call people who fought the British on the North american continent...The ones that established The United States of America. Would you attempt to correct someone who called them Americans?
Their original complaint, laid out in the Declaration, was that their rights as Englishmen had been trampled upon by King George. (Among other complaints.)

So Reviled that he and all who fought in his Terrorist group (quasi-military organization) were given medals...Stern got his head on a stamp.

Sam Adams, a leader among the Sons of Liberty, is celebrated as a patriot and a good American. I expect King George and his cronies looked at him as both a traitor, and possibly a terrorist, had they the term to hand in those days.

[quote]http://www.pmo.gov.il/PMOEng/Communi...tern290108.htm

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Today, the Knesset honors the memory of Avraham Stern, “Yair”, fighter for the freedom of Israel, commander of the fighting underground, philosopher, poet and intellect, lover of his people and his country, zealous and passionate in his beliefs, desperately dedicated to his mission.

One hundred years have passed since “Yair” was born, but he only lived for 35 stormy years until he was murdered in the prime of his life, in cold blood, by an officer of the British secret police in a safe house in the Florentine neighborhood of Tel Aviv. On the monument erected in his memory by his comrades and subordinates on the way to Jerusalem, a line from his poem, “For You Are Sacred to Me, My Homeland!” is engraved:

“For you are sacred to me, my Homeland
According to Jewish law.
A bowing maidservant, kneeling and lost,
I am a husband to you and redeemer---
He will come, the great one will certainly come,
The dismantler of the burden, the redeemer,
He who raises up the bent and releases the chains –
A day of freedom in the Kingdom of Israel.”

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Yep...can't you just feel the revulsion.....

If you don't have an ideology to follow, like the Zionist movement of the early 20th century, it's rather hard to recruit people to your cause, isn't it? All movements need symbols, or symbolic figures.

Had they not fought for that land, they'd not have it.

Rather simple, don't you think? I will guess that since your country didn't have to fight for its land, you might not understand.

DR

[webfusion]

T-F asks:

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You don't want them referred to as Israelis?

Nope. During the Mandate period, they were referred to as "Palestinians" and that's what the jews' official documentation said.

http://www.maccabeearms.com/images/passport.gif

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[webfusion]

D-R indicates:

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All movements need symbols, or symbolic figures.

Some more vile than others.

[INRM]

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

You have to locate them first. Putting them in the ground versus above ground significantly raises the degree of difficult of unmanned surveillance systems to detect a launch site with that small of a footprinT.

Relatively low tech counter to high tech "eyes in the sky."

DR

What rule says you can't use a manned surveillance aircraft...

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by INRM

What rule says you can't use a manned surveillance aircraft...

No rule. What did you have in mind, that the Mk I, Mod O eyeball is better than the IR, TV, Low Light, and other optical sensors that both manned and unmanned air vehicles are equipped with?

DR

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by webfusion

Looks like a still from a Super Bowl ad advertising "blood of the Jews" brand beer.

I guess I was in the bathroom, returning Lone Star, when it aired.

DR

[webfusion]

D-R, you just can't make this stuff up.

Be careful when you go for a long walk ----

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1684.htm
Modern Islamic Scholar Declares the Earth is Flat

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by webfusion

D-R, you just can't make this stuff up.

Be careful when you go for a long walk ----

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1684.htm
Modern Islamic Scholar Declares the Earth is Flat

"In the blurred distance, you can't see anything."

Maybe he needs his perscription for his glasses changed.

Perhaps he will, Insha Allah.

DR

[The Fool]

Originally Posted by webfusion

D-R, you just can't make this stuff up.

Be careful when you go for a long walk ----

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1684.htm
Modern Islamic Scholar Declares the Earth is Flat

Moon is made of cheese....he forgot that bit.

[webfusion]

Originally Posted by The Fool

Moon is made of cheese...

Cheese_______________Seismic Velocity (km/sec)

Sapsego (Swiss).................2.12
Romano (Italy)....................1.74
Cheddar (Vermont).............1.72
Muenster (Wisconsin)..........1.57




Lunar Rock Samples______Seismic Velocity (km/sec)
Basalt 10017.....................1.84
Basalt 10046.....................1.25


The seismic velocity of moon "rock" is much closer to cheese than any rock found on earth.

from PlanetFusion

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by The Fool

Moon is made of cheese....he forgot that bit.

Indeed, A Grand Day Out with (Wallace and Gromit) was a documentary.

DR

[Polaris]

Originally Posted by The Fool

Moon is made of cheese....he forgot that bit.

Limburger cheese in fact. That's why there's no hurry to return there.

[E.J.Armstrong]

[quote=webfusion;3453020]The people who set up the quasi-military organizations you mentioned, were not "Israelis" at all (since there was no such thing as "Israelis" until after 1947).[/QUOTE} If they were not Israelis and were reviled how come Menachem Begin who ran the terrorist group the Irgun and directed terrorist atrocities got elected as President of Israel?

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Stern himself was indeed reviled by the mainstream of the Yishuv, and had little support.

Unfortunately this gives the lie to that.
"Lehi was described as a terrorist organisation[1] by the British authorities, the mainstream Yishuv, and by the United Nations mediator Ralph Bunche.[2] Lehi was responsible for the assassination of Lord Moyne and other attacks on the British authorities. Jews were sometimes killed in these attacks, and occasionally targeted for assassination. Israel has honored the group by instituting the military decoration of the Lehi ribbon, which may be worn by the organization's former members." from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group). Israel therefore glorifies members of a terrorist organisation. Do you qualify for those disgraceful medals?

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"Irgun" (The Organization) came about as a result of the ineffective official protection provided by the British to the jews of the Yishuv, specifically in the wake of the arab massacres of jews in 1929.

Irgun was a terrorist organisation and its crimes are celebrated by medals issued by Israel.

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I don't exactly understand the term "less productive option" in your comments, EJ. What are you driving at here?

If you had read the post I responded to you would have read that Mycroft stated something like that lashing out with violence by Palestinians was a less productive option yet the same lashing out was carried out by Israeli terrorist organisations whose terrorist atrocities are commemorated buy Israel to this day. It seems as though, once again, what is sauce for the goose is not sauce for the gander and terrorism is only terrorism when someone else does it instead of all terrorism being terrorism.

[luchog]

Originally Posted by The Fool

You don't want them referred to as Israelis? What should we call people who fought the British on the North american continent...The ones that established The United States of America. Would you attempt to correct someone who called them Americans?

Technically, they were "colonists", and at least when I was in school, were referred to that way in the textbooks, in the context of the pre-American Revolution colonial period. Post-Revolution, anyone who still lived became Americans.

And yes, I have corrected people on this point.