What exactly is a " Bush Loyalist "?

stateofgrace · 8th February 2008, 03:45 PM

I have seen this term used on not only this forum but a few forums I visit. So could somebody explain , exactly what this term means?

I personally couldn't give a hoot about Bush, it is totally irrelevant to what actually happened on Sept 11th.

To me it is none term, a total irrelevance to the actual events of sept 11th.

Does the fact that Bush was in power when these attacks took place have any bearing whatsoever on the attacks themselves or are they simply a political get out card played by those who subscribe alternative theories?

I would really like to know,is the truth movement driven entirely by political agenda or a genuine search for the the truth ?

I am non American and would appreciate an honest answer.

dbalsdon · 8th February 2008, 03:47 PM

My understanding is, its supposed to be someone who (rightfully) doesn't believe 9/11 was an inside job? Hence, we're loyal to Bush.

Unsecured Coins · 8th February 2008, 03:49 PM

i used to be a bush loyalist. then she shaved, and I saw the light

twinstead · 8th February 2008, 03:52 PM

Yes. It's a woo woo circuit breaker. Kind of like a racist who calls anybody who disagrees with his spew a '***** lover'.

We all must be mindless drones unquestionably doing the bidding of the Bush Administration if we dare disagree with 911 being an inside job.

The truthers have NO idea just how idiotic that is.

D'rok · 8th February 2008, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins

i used to be a bush loyalist. then she shaved, and I saw the light

I suspect that's not all you saw.

Unsecured Coins · 8th February 2008, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by D'rok

I suspect that's not all you saw.

I also saw the top of the mountains. and they were good

twinstead · 8th February 2008, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins

I also saw the top of the mountains. and they were good

We're not talking about GW Bush anymore, are we?

1337m4n · 8th February 2008, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins

i used to be a bush loyalist. then she shaved, and I saw the light

Delicious Caek.

Kthulhut Fhtagn · 8th February 2008, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by twinstead

Yes. It's a woo woo circuit breaker. Kind of like a racist who calls anybody who disagrees with his spew a '***** lover'.

We all must be mindless drones unquestionably doing the bidding of the Bush Administration if we dare disagree with 911 being an inside job.

The truthers have NO idea just how idiotic that is.

That hit the nail on the head...I remember one truther (I just call them 9/11 Deniers now) I debated who just kept going on about how Bush was my favorite president.

Dr Adequate · 8th February 2008, 04:18 PM

"Bush loyalist" (see also "neo-con"): term used by Truthers to describe anyone who believes:

(a) that Bush's "election" in 2000 was a coup;
(b) that the Iraq war was illegal;
(c) that Bush should be impeached;
(d) that Bush should be tried as a war criminal;
(e) that Truthers aren't right about everything.

Cl1mh4224rd · 8th February 2008, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by stateofgrace

I have seen this term used on not only this forum but a few forums I visit. So could somebody explain , exactly what this term means?

It's a little box that they can throw you in. They then use the fact that you're in that box as justification to ignore everything you say...

Walter Ego · 8th February 2008, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by twinstead

Yes. It's a woo woo circuit breaker. Kind of like a racist who calls anybody who disagrees with his spew a '***** lover'.

We all must be mindless drones unquestionably doing the bidding of the Bush Administration if we dare disagree with 911 being an inside job.

The truthers have NO idea just how idiotic that is.

Hmmm... I voted against Bush in 2000 and 2004, I was against the Iraq invasion and attended an antiwar protest before the Iraq invasion but I’m a Bush Loyalist because I think 9-11 denial is woo?

twinstead · 8th February 2008, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Walter Ego

Hmmm... I voted against Bush in 2000 and 2004, I was against the Iraq invasion and attended an antiwar protest before the Iraq invasion but I’m a Bush Loyalist because I think 9-11 denial is woo?

Excellent. Now you've got it. The answer is a resounding YES!

firecoins · 8th February 2008, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

"Bush loyalist" (see also "neo-con"): term used by Truthers to describe anyone who believes:

(a) that Bush's "election" in 2000 was a coup;
(b) that the Iraq war was illegal;
(c) that Bush should be impeached;
(d) that Bush should be tried as a war criminal;
(e) that Truthers aren't right about everything.

You are a neo conservative loyalist!!!Aren't you?

cisco · 8th February 2008, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by dbalsdon

My understanding is, its supposed to be someone who (rightfully) doesn't believe 9/11 was an inside job? Hence, we're loyal to Bush.

This is why I want Michael Moore to make a film about the trooth. He'd be immune from any "Bush-lover" arguments to any rational mind.

Jonnyclueless · 8th February 2008, 05:21 PM

I was going to say the answer was 'lesbian'. But now I am thinking we're talking about something else.

Thunder · 8th February 2008, 05:24 PM

a bush loyalist is anyone who disagrees with the Insidejober theories.

twinstead · 8th February 2008, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jonnyclueless

I was going to say the answer was 'lesbian'. But now I am thinking we're talking about something else.

Dude. Lesbian was my first guess too, but I came up with a plan B when I posted to the thread.

Now I don't feel so bad.

jaydeehess · 8th February 2008, 05:57 PM

I too have been referred to as a Bush or Government Loyalist. It is a close cousin to being told that one is a neo-con or Bush defender, or a person who condones the mass murder done on 9/11/01 simply because you cannot abide the stupidity of the "Truth Movers"

ElMondoHummus · 8th February 2008, 07:30 PM

Question: Is there any evidence that Bush has ever read the NIST report?

I'm asking because it just continually and repetatively blows my mind that people accuse him and his cohorts of slanting it when chances are he's never even seen it. Since when do they send investigative reports like that all the way to the top? It probably went no further than the Secretary of Commerce, if that (for those non-Americans here: NIST is an agency within the US Department of Commerce, so that's why I'm invoking that "Cabinet Secretary". The Sec. of Commerce would sort of be NIST's "CEO", in a way </oversimplification>).

Anyway, my point is that I'm not even sure Bush got a briefing on it, beyond it being mentioned as a product of 9/11 investigations in general. Anyone know?

jaydeehess · 8th February 2008, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus

Question: Is there any evidence that Bush has ever read the NIST report?

I'm asking because it just continually and repetatively blows my mind that people accuse him and his cohorts of slanting it when chances are he's never even seen it. Since when do they send investigative reports like that all the way to the top? It probably went no further than the Secretary of Commerce, if that (for those non-Americans here: NIST is an agency within the US Department of Commerce, so that's why I'm invoking that "Cabinet Secretary". The Sec. of Commerce would sort of be NIST's "CEO", in a way </oversimplification>).

Anyway, my point is that I'm not even sure Bush got a briefing on it, beyond it being mentioned as a product of 9/11 investigations in general. Anyone know?

Of course Bush has never seen it(let alone been able to follow it).
Instead he simply told NIST top people to create a docuement that concludes that the buildings fell due to planes that crashed into WTC 1&2. From that point on the "Bush Loyalists" in NIST ensured that such was produced. There is a secret section of NIST that goes around to the various study groups or labs and cajoles, threatens or buys off the techy minions in order to keep everything on track with little or minor dissent. Anyone who actually looks like they may spill the whole sordid story suffers an accident as a message to all.

Jonnyclueless · 8th February 2008, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus

Question: Is there any evidence that Bush has ever read the NIST report?

What makes you think he can read? It's these kind of assumptions that lead to all these conspiracy theories to begin with. We have seen no evidence to suggest that Bush knows how to read.

Hokulele · 8th February 2008, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Jonnyclueless

What makes you think he can read? It's these kind of assumptions that lead to all these conspiracy theories to begin with. We have seen no evidence to suggest that Bush knows how to read.

Three words for you, My Pet Goat.

Urk, now I will be labeled a "Bush Loyalist".

jhunter1163 · 9th February 2008, 05:26 AM

It's possible a Secret Service man with another copy of My Pet Goat was whispering the words into his earpiece... "OK, now turn the page... the goat was a very bad goat..."

ElMondoHummus · 9th February 2008, 01:24 PM

Whoa, whoa, whoa... I wasn't making any snarks about Bush's intelligence. I was making an argument about hierarchy. My point was that conspiracy fantasists make it sound like the Administration - as defined by the White House, it's staff, and I suppose groups like the Cabinet, the various regulatory agencies, etc. - is a lot more monolithic and directly controlling of activities than it really is. The thought that the President and/or his staff would directly dictate, or even influence a report of a subagency of a department just strikes me as ridiculous, and more to the point, proves to me that conspiracy fantasists have no idea how large organizations work in the real world. When I asked if Bush ever even saw the report, I was making the point that too many fantasists have no clue what purpose the NIST reports actually served. So that's what my post meant, jaydeehess, Jonnyclueless, jhunter1163, et. al.: That the sloppily reasoned truther idea that Bush & Company dictated or slanted the report was weak logic, and absolutely ignorant of large, real-world organizations, or the raison d'etre of the very thing they attack (thus indicating that they're less questioning a "report" and more attacking a target through said report).

And by the way, Hokulele, what in God's name IS that thing you're eating in your avatar?

KoihimeNakamura · 9th February 2008, 01:28 PM

A corn dog.

Hokulele · 9th February 2008, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus

And by the way, Hokulele, what in God's name IS that thing you're eating in your avatar?

It is a boudin, and the history is in this thread.

Although, it does look a bit like a corn dog . . .

Jonnyclueless · 9th February 2008, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

Three words for you, My Pet Goat.

Urk, now I will be labeled a "Bush Loyalist".

No no, he had an ear piece. They were telling him the words through the ear piece. That's why he didn't get up and leave after the message. Someone was reading it over the earpiece to him.

ElMondoHummus · 9th February 2008, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

It is a boudin, and the history is in this thread.

Although, it does look a bit like a corn dog . . .

Ahh. Creole/Cajun sausage. I am thus informed.

Yes, at one time, I tried to turn myself into an expert on sausages via consumption (no rude jokes, please, my stomach suffered enough!). I never got around to boudin, and got especially frustrated with longanisa (tastes great, but click the link for a treatise on how it assaults your cookware), which is a particular irritation since I'm Filipino by birth. Plus, it was starting to get expensive, so I gave up after a while.

Anyway, boudin: How be it?

Hokulele · 9th February 2008, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus

Ahh. Creole/Cajun sausage. I am thus informed.

Yes, at one time, I tried to turn myself into an expert on sausages via consumption (no rude jokes, please, my stomach suffered enough!). I never got around to boudin, and got especially frustrated with longanisa (tastes great, but click the link for a treatise on how it assaults your cookware), which is a particular irritation since I'm Filipino by birth. Plus, it was starting to get expensive, so I gave up after a while.

Anyway, boudin: How be it?

Boudin is very tasty, although it was a bit milder than I expected.

We can get some excellent longanisa and linguisa (Portuguese sausage) at a local store. You should try my adobo some time.

jaydeehess · 9th February 2008, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus

Whoa, whoa, whoa... I wasn't making any snarks about Bush's intelligence. I was making an argument about hierarchy. My point was that conspiracy fantasists make it sound like the Administration - as defined by the White House, it's staff, and I suppose groups like the Cabinet, the various regulatory agencies, etc. - is a lot more monolithic and directly controlling of activities than it really is. The thought that the President and/or his staff would directly dictate, or even influence a report of a subagency of a department just strikes me as ridiculous, and more to the point, proves to me that conspiracy fantasists have no idea how large organizations work in the real world. When I asked if Bush ever even saw the report, I was making the point that too many fantasists have no clue what purpose the NIST reports actually served. So that's what my post meant, jaydeehess, Jonnyclueless, jhunter1163, et. al.: That the sloppily reasoned truther idea that Bush & Company dictated or slanted the report was weak logic, and absolutely ignorant of large, real-world organizations, or the raison d'etre of the very thing they attack (thus indicating that they're less questioning a "report" and more attacking a target through said report).

I was only half kidding. The way I get it on some truthers postings is pretty much exactly as I stated. In more conspiracy circles than we care to contemplate this is exactly how they see the world. As run, micro-managed even, by an all powerful oligarchy. Bush himself would only be a middle manager in such a heirarchy according to some.

Quote:

And by the way, Hokulele, what in God's name IS that thing you're eating in your avatar?

ahhh, sausage. I remember sausages fondly. I'm told they are poison to me now though. Anyone know of a saltless sausage?

ElMondoHummus · 9th February 2008, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

The way I get it on some truthers postings is pretty much exactly as I stated. In more conspiracy circles than we care to contemplate this is exactly how they see the world. As run, micro-managed even, by an all powerful oligarchy. Bush himself would only be a middle manager in such a heirarchy according to some.

Oh, yes, you're completely correct. Bush, Cheney, the govenment... all of us here

... anyone who's even just done consulting work with the government... or hell, even just "apologized" for them

... we're all just cogs in the NWO, and the real leadership is some faceless cabal only ever referred to as "Them", and occasionally "The Jews"... gotta remember that...

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

ahhh, sausage. I remember sausages fondly. I'm told they are poison to me now though. Anyone know of a saltless sausage?

Is such a thing physically or culinarily possible? I mean, I have this fear that if I tried to make such a thing, somewhere in the world some poor German or Italian chef's head would explode...

Unsecured Coins · 9th February 2008, 10:33 PM

this thread has gone entirely too long without any sexual innuendo.

Cajun sausage dicussion notwithstanding

ElMondoHummus · 9th February 2008, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins

this thread has gone entirely too long without any sexual innuendo.

Cajun sausage dicussion notwithstanding

What? You're not turned on by the corndog reference?

Unsecured Coins · 9th February 2008, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus

What? You're not turned on by the corndog reference?

i will not confirm nor deny this

beachnut · 10th February 2008, 02:10 AM

terral

image of Bush in avatar – antiBush loyalist descriptions of Bush confirm he posts like Bush would

8th February 2008, 03:45 PM	#1
stateofgrace Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,847	What exactly is a " Bush Loyalist "? I have seen this term used on not only this forum but a few forums I visit. So could somebody explain , exactly what this term means? I personally couldn't give a hoot about Bush, it is totally irrelevant to what actually happened on Sept 11th. To me it is none term, a total irrelevance to the actual events of sept 11th. Does the fact that Bush was in power when these attacks took place have any bearing whatsoever on the attacks themselves or are they simply a political get out card played by those who subscribe alternative theories? I would really like to know,is the truth movement driven entirely by political agenda or a genuine search for the the truth ? I am non American and would appreciate an honest answer.
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8th February 2008, 03:47 PM	#2
dbalsdon Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Devon, UK Posts: 323	My understanding is, its supposed to be someone who (rightfully) doesn't believe 9/11 was an inside job? Hence, we're loyal to Bush.
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8th February 2008, 03:49 PM	#3
Unsecured Coins Hoku-maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: in your macaronis. warming my feets Posts: 5,741	i used to be a bush loyalist. then she shaved, and I saw the light
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8th February 2008, 03:52 PM	#4
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Yes. It's a woo woo circuit breaker. Kind of like a racist who calls anybody who disagrees with his spew a '***** lover'. We all must be mindless drones unquestionably doing the bidding of the Bush Administration if we dare disagree with 911 being an inside job. The truthers have NO idea just how idiotic that is.
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8th February 2008, 03:52 PM	#5
D'rok Free Barbarian on The Land Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 6,237	Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins i used to be a bush loyalist. then she shaved, and I saw the light I suspect that's not all you saw.
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8th February 2008, 03:55 PM	#6
Unsecured Coins Hoku-maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: in your macaronis. warming my feets Posts: 5,741	Originally Posted by D'rok I suspect that's not all you saw. I also saw the top of the mountains. and they were good
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8th February 2008, 03:57 PM	#7
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins I also saw the top of the mountains. and they were good We're not talking about GW Bush anymore, are we?
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8th February 2008, 03:58 PM	#8
1337m4n Alphanumeric Anonymous Stick Man Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3,499	Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins i used to be a bush loyalist. then she shaved, and I saw the light Delicious Caek.

8th February 2008, 04:03 PM	#9
Kthulhut Fhtagn Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Somewhere in time and space... Posts: 1,939	Originally Posted by twinstead Yes. It's a woo woo circuit breaker. Kind of like a racist who calls anybody who disagrees with his spew a '***** lover'. We all must be mindless drones unquestionably doing the bidding of the Bush Administration if we dare disagree with 911 being an inside job. The truthers have NO idea just how idiotic that is. That hit the nail on the head...I remember one truther (I just call them 9/11 Deniers now) I debated who just kept going on about how Bush was my favorite president.
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8th February 2008, 04:18 PM	#10
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,897	"Bush loyalist" (see also "neo-con"): term used by Truthers to describe anyone who believes: (a) that Bush's "election" in 2000 was a coup; (b) that the Iraq war was illegal; (c) that Bush should be impeached; (d) that Bush should be tried as a war criminal; (e) that Truthers aren't right about everything.

8th February 2008, 04:44 PM	#11
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 6,618	Originally Posted by stateofgrace I have seen this term used on not only this forum but a few forums I visit. So could somebody explain , exactly what this term means? It's a little box that they can throw you in. They then use the fact that you're in that box as justification to ignore everything you say...
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8th February 2008, 04:58 PM	#12
Walter Ego Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,557	Originally Posted by twinstead Yes. It's a woo woo circuit breaker. Kind of like a racist who calls anybody who disagrees with his spew a '*** lover'. We all must be mindless drones unquestionably doing the bidding of the Bush Administration if we dare disagree with 911 being an inside job. The truthers have NO idea just how idiotic that is. Hmmm... I voted against Bush in 2000 and 2004, I was against the Iraq invasion and attended an antiwar protest before** the Iraq invasion but I’m a Bush Loyalist because I think 9-11 denial is woo?
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8th February 2008, 05:03 PM	#13
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Originally Posted by Walter Ego Hmmm... I voted against Bush in 2000 and 2004, I was against the Iraq invasion and attended an antiwar protest before the Iraq invasion but I’m a Bush Loyalist because I think 9-11 denial is woo? Excellent. Now you've got it. The answer is a resounding YES!
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8th February 2008, 05:04 PM	#14
firecoins Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nyack, NY Posts: 3,191	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate "Bush loyalist" (see also "neo-con"): term used by Truthers to describe anyone who believes: (a) that Bush's "election" in 2000 was a coup; (b) that the Iraq war was illegal; (c) that Bush should be impeached; (d) that Bush should be tried as a war criminal; (e) that Truthers aren't right about everything. You are a neo conservative loyalist!!!Aren't you?
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8th February 2008, 05:20 PM	#15
cisco Muse Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 709	Originally Posted by dbalsdon My understanding is, its supposed to be someone who (rightfully) doesn't believe 9/11 was an inside job? Hence, we're loyal to Bush. This is why I want Michael Moore to make a film about the trooth. He'd be immune from any "Bush-lover" arguments to any rational mind.
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8th February 2008, 05:21 PM	#16
Jonnyclueless Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,360	I was going to say the answer was 'lesbian'. But now I am thinking we're talking about something else.

8th February 2008, 05:24 PM	#17
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	a bush loyalist is anyone who disagrees with the Insidejober theories.

8th February 2008, 05:32 PM	#18
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,576	Originally Posted by Jonnyclueless I was going to say the answer was 'lesbian'. But now I am thinking we're talking about something else. Dude. Lesbian was my first guess too, but I came up with a plan B when I posted to the thread. Now I don't feel so bad.
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8th February 2008, 05:57 PM	#19
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I beedunk 40 miles from the border Posts: 10,810	I too have been referred to as a Bush or Government Loyalist. It is a close cousin to being told that one is a neo-con or Bush defender, or a person who condones the mass murder done on 9/11/01 simply because you cannot abide the stupidity of the "Truth Movers"

8th February 2008, 07:30 PM	#20
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 11,944	Question: Is there any evidence that Bush has ever read the NIST report? I'm asking because it just continually and repetatively blows my mind that people accuse him and his cohorts of slanting it when chances are he's never even seen it. Since when do they send investigative reports like that all the way to the top? It probably went no further than the Secretary of Commerce, if that (for those non-Americans here: NIST is an agency within the US Department of Commerce, so that's why I'm invoking that "Cabinet Secretary". The Sec. of Commerce would sort of be NIST's "CEO", in a way </oversimplification>). Anyway, my point is that I'm not even sure Bush got a briefing on it, beyond it being mentioned as a product of 9/11 investigations in general. Anyone know?
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8th February 2008, 11:50 PM	#21
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I beedunk 40 miles from the border Posts: 10,810	Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus Question: Is there any evidence that Bush has ever read the NIST report? I'm asking because it just continually and repetatively blows my mind that people accuse him and his cohorts of slanting it when chances are he's never even seen it. Since when do they send investigative reports like that all the way to the top? It probably went no further than the Secretary of Commerce, if that (for those non-Americans here: NIST is an agency within the US Department of Commerce, so that's why I'm invoking that "Cabinet Secretary". The Sec. of Commerce would sort of be NIST's "CEO", in a way </oversimplification>). Anyway, my point is that I'm not even sure Bush got a briefing on it, beyond it being mentioned as a product of 9/11 investigations in general. Anyone know? Of course Bush has never seen it(let alone been able to follow it). Instead he simply told NIST top people to create a docuement that concludes that the buildings fell due to planes that crashed into WTC 1&2. From that point on the "Bush Loyalists" in NIST ensured that such was produced. There is a secret section of NIST that goes around to the various study groups or labs and cajoles, threatens or buys off the techy minions in order to keep everything on track with little or minor dissent. Anyone who actually looks like they may spill the whole sordid story suffers an accident as a message to all.

8th February 2008, 11:55 PM	#22
Jonnyclueless Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,360	Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus Question: Is there any evidence that Bush has ever read the NIST report? What makes you think he can read? It's these kind of assumptions that lead to all these conspiracy theories to begin with. We have seen no evidence to suggest that Bush knows how to read.

8th February 2008, 11:57 PM	#23
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,268	Originally Posted by Jonnyclueless What makes you think he can read? It's these kind of assumptions that lead to all these conspiracy theories to begin with. We have seen no evidence to suggest that Bush knows how to read. Three words for you, My Pet Goat. Urk, now I will be labeled a "Bush Loyalist".
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9th February 2008, 05:26 AM	#24
jhunter1163 Beer-Swilling Semiliterate Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Room 118, Bohemian Grove Marriott Posts: 15,576	It's possible a Secret Service man with another copy of My Pet Goat was whispering the words into his earpiece... "OK, now turn the page... the goat was a very bad goat..."

9th February 2008, 01:24 PM	#25
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 11,944	Whoa, whoa, whoa... I wasn't making any snarks about Bush's intelligence. I was making an argument about hierarchy. My point was that conspiracy fantasists make it sound like the Administration - as defined by the White House, it's staff, and I suppose groups like the Cabinet, the various regulatory agencies, etc. - is a lot more monolithic and directly controlling of activities than it really is. The thought that the President and/or his staff would directly dictate, or even influence a report of a subagency of a department just strikes me as ridiculous, and more to the point, proves to me that conspiracy fantasists have no idea how large organizations work in the real world. When I asked if Bush ever even saw the report, I was making the point that too many fantasists have no clue what purpose the NIST reports actually served. So that's what my post meant, jaydeehess, Jonnyclueless, jhunter1163, et. al.: That the sloppily reasoned truther idea that Bush & Company dictated or slanted the report was weak logic, and absolutely ignorant of large, real-world organizations, or the raison d'etre of the very thing they attack (thus indicating that they're less questioning a "report" and more attacking a target through said report). And by the way, Hokulele, what in God's name IS that thing you're eating in your avatar?
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9th February 2008, 01:28 PM	#26
KoihimeNakamura Creativity Murderer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Graham, WA Posts: 6,857	A corn dog.
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9th February 2008, 07:00 PM	#27
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,268	Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus And by the way, Hokulele, what in God's name IS that thing you're eating in your avatar? It is a boudin, and the history is in this thread. Although, it does look a bit like a corn dog . . .
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9th February 2008, 07:06 PM	#28
Jonnyclueless Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,360	Originally Posted by Hokulele Three words for you, My Pet Goat. Urk, now I will be labeled a "Bush Loyalist". No no, he had an ear piece. They were telling him the words through the ear piece. That's why he didn't get up and leave after the message. Someone was reading it over the earpiece to him.

9th February 2008, 07:18 PM	#29
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 11,944	Originally Posted by Hokulele It is a boudin, and the history is in this thread. Although, it does look a bit like a corn dog . . . Ahh. Creole/Cajun sausage. I am thus informed. Yes, at one time, I tried to turn myself into an expert on sausages via consumption (no rude jokes, please, my stomach suffered enough!). I never got around to boudin, and got especially frustrated with longanisa (tastes great, but click the link for a treatise on how it assaults your cookware), which is a particular irritation since I'm Filipino by birth. Plus, it was starting to get expensive, so I gave up after a while. Anyway, boudin: How be it?
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9th February 2008, 07:23 PM	#30
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,268	Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus Ahh. Creole/Cajun sausage. I am thus informed. Yes, at one time, I tried to turn myself into an expert on sausages via consumption (no rude jokes, please, my stomach suffered enough!). I never got around to boudin, and got especially frustrated with longanisa (tastes great, but click the link for a treatise on how it assaults your cookware), which is a particular irritation since I'm Filipino by birth. Plus, it was starting to get expensive, so I gave up after a while. Anyway, boudin: How be it? Boudin is very tasty, although it was a bit milder than I expected. We can get some excellent longanisa and linguisa (Portuguese sausage) at a local store. You should try my adobo some time.
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9th February 2008, 08:38 PM	#31
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I beedunk 40 miles from the border Posts: 10,810	Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus Whoa, whoa, whoa... I wasn't making any snarks about Bush's intelligence. I was making an argument about hierarchy. My point was that conspiracy fantasists make it sound like the Administration - as defined by the White House, it's staff, and I suppose groups like the Cabinet, the various regulatory agencies, etc. - is a lot more monolithic and directly controlling of activities than it really is. The thought that the President and/or his staff would directly dictate, or even influence a report of a subagency of a department just strikes me as ridiculous, and more to the point, proves to me that conspiracy fantasists have no idea how large organizations work in the real world. When I asked if Bush ever even saw the report, I was making the point that too many fantasists have no clue what purpose the NIST reports actually served. So that's what my post meant, jaydeehess, Jonnyclueless, jhunter1163, et. al.: That the sloppily reasoned truther idea that Bush & Company dictated or slanted the report was weak logic, and absolutely ignorant of large, real-world organizations, or the raison d'etre of the very thing they attack (thus indicating that they're less questioning a "report" and more attacking a target through said report). I was only half kidding. The way I get it on some truthers postings is pretty much exactly as I stated. In more conspiracy circles than we care to contemplate this is exactly how they see the world. As run, micro-managed even, by an all powerful oligarchy. Bush himself would only be a middle manager in such a heirarchy according to some. Quote: And by the way, Hokulele, what in God's name IS that thing you're eating in your avatar? ahhh, sausage. I remember sausages fondly. I'm told they are poison to me now though. Anyone know of a saltless sausage?

9th February 2008, 10:20 PM	#32
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 11,944	Originally Posted by jaydeehess The way I get it on some truthers postings is pretty much exactly as I stated. In more conspiracy circles than we care to contemplate this is exactly how they see the world. As run, micro-managed even, by an all powerful oligarchy. Bush himself would only be a middle manager in such a heirarchy according to some. Oh, yes, you're completely correct. Bush, Cheney, the govenment... all of us here ... anyone who's even just done consulting work with the government... or hell, even just "apologized" for them ... we're all just cogs in the NWO, and the real leadership is some faceless cabal only ever referred to as "Them", and occasionally "The Jews"... gotta remember that... Originally Posted by jaydeehess ahhh, sausage. I remember sausages fondly. I'm told they are poison to me now though. Anyone know of a saltless sausage? Is such a thing physically or culinarily possible? I mean, I have this fear that if I tried to make such a thing, somewhere in the world some poor German or Italian chef's head would explode...
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9th February 2008, 10:33 PM	#33
Unsecured Coins Hoku-maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: in your macaronis. warming my feets Posts: 5,741	this thread has gone entirely too long without any sexual innuendo. Cajun sausage dicussion notwithstanding
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9th February 2008, 10:36 PM	#34
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 11,944	Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins this thread has gone entirely too long without any sexual innuendo. Cajun sausage dicussion notwithstanding What? You're not turned on by the corndog reference?
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9th February 2008, 10:51 PM	#35
Unsecured Coins Hoku-maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: in your macaronis. warming my feets Posts: 5,741	Originally Posted by ElMondoHummus What? You're not turned on by the corndog reference? i will not confirm nor deny this
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