Mohamed Atta loved pork chops

bofors · 8th February 2008, 11:09 PM

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Mohamed Atta loved pork chops and 49 other things you may not know

~enigma~ · 8th February 2008, 11:12 PM

Totally ignoring the inaccuracy of alot of this bs, what is the point of this post or is it just some hit and run bs like other woo do?

Totovader · 8th February 2008, 11:14 PM

Spamming, and a plaigarist?

Good job, bofors- the AE911 group will be proud...

Brainache · 8th February 2008, 11:15 PM

http://72.32.2.238/forumlive/showthr...=amanda+keller

This thread was posted in October 2006.

Quote:

Well, well, well! Turns out that the source for many of the "wild" Mohamed Atta stories--his drinking, snorting cocaine, dating a stripper, etc.--has fessed up that she was lying all along!

Quote:

Among other things, the government checked Atta's phone records and found the two had never called each other.

In 2002, Keller granted an interview with Daniel Hopsicker, a Venice self-published writer who maintains the government has covered up facts about 9/11.

In a taped interview that has circled the Internet, Keller casually discusses intimate details about her relationship with "Mohamed." She claimed it was Atta, but changed her story soon after.

"It was my bad for lying," Keller said. "I really didn't think about it until after I did it."

You know the response from the Deniers: "They" got to her!

boloboffin · 8th February 2008, 11:21 PM

I've got April 18th, 2004:

http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=104x1433886

And the 50-item list appear to be "original" research from a now-tombstoned DUer named Minstrel Boy.

Cl1mh4224rd · 8th February 2008, 11:23 PM

This is going to sound like an attack, but I can't think of any other way to word this at 2am: I thought bofors was supposed to be educated. I mean, like, have an advanced degree in... something.

I bring it up, because his recent posting history seems very, very... well, dumb.

Gravy · 8th February 2008, 11:26 PM

Reported for reprinting copyrighted material in its entirety. Oh, and almost everything is false or misleading. That's what you get for believing incompetents and liars like Daniel Hopsicker.

Pardalis · 8th February 2008, 11:27 PM

I prefer spare ribs myself.

~enigma~ · 8th February 2008, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd

This is going to sound like an attack, but I can't think of any other way to word this at 2am: I thought bofors was supposed to be educated. I mean, like, have an advanced degree in... something.

I bring it up, because his recent posting history seems very, very... well, dumb.

A woo and an advanced degree mix about as well as oil and water. For an example see Judy "Keeber Elf" Wood. An advanced degree didn't prevent her from not being able to distinguish between inelastic and elastic collisions, why do you think it should be different for bofors?

Disenchanted · 8th February 2008, 11:29 PM

http://www.911myths.com/html/strip_clubs.html

Have truthers run out of new BS, so they just continue to recycle old BS.

Gravy · 8th February 2008, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd

This is going to sound like an attack, but I can't think of any other way to word this at 2am: I thought bofors was supposed to be educated. I mean, like, have an advanced degree in... something.

I bring it up, because his recent posting history seems very, very... well, dumb.

I don't know about dumb, but he has said that he suffers from mental illness. Therefore I think it prudent not to engage him in debate. And if you do demonstrate his incompetence, he may threaten to sue you and cost you a lot of money, as he did me, and he may call all the people in the United States who share your name, resulting in some of those people contacting you, asking why an insane person thinks they are you, and trust me: it's a pain to explain it.

Sword_Of_Truth · 8th February 2008, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by bofors

• 1. In Venice Florida, Mohamed Atta lived for two months with an American stripper/lingerie model named Amanda Keller.

• 11. Atta, Keller, a stripper named Linda and two Germans partied for three days in Key West.

In other words... he was exactly the kind of guy who would fly a stolen airplane into an office building if you promised to pay him in virgins?

Jonnyclueless · 8th February 2008, 11:48 PM

Yeah, there's always a down side to printing someone's lies. It can turn out to not be true and make ya look like an arse.

MetalliSociety · 9th February 2008, 12:02 AM

Welp, bofors posts a pointless topic once again, and just disappears wo trying to defend anything. Typical.

jaydeehess · 9th February 2008, 12:03 AM

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• 7. Atta’s email list included names of people who worked for defense contractors. One, for instance, worked for Canadian firm Virtual Prototypes, which helped develop the avionics for F-15, F-22 and B-2.

There is no google return for a company of that name.
There is no 411.ca listing for a company of that name.

Quote:

I've got April 18th, 2004:

http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=104x1433886

And the 50-item list appear to be "original" research from a now-tombstoned DUer named Minstrel Boy

Original would be one way of describing something that springs largely from the imagination. Like "an original work of fiction".

GreNME · 9th February 2008, 12:40 AM

Quote:

24. Dekkers went from broke to flush very quickly, without having business success with the flight school. One observer said “He didn’t even have the money to buy gas for an airplane… and yet a year later he shows up and plops a million seven, a million eight or two million dollars on the table as if it were paper money.”

HA! Oh, that's rich. As if "plop[ing]" millions of dollars "on the table as if it were paper money." wouldn't have managed to bring down the IRS, the FBI, and several other agencies (once they found it came from a foreigner) down on the guy's head for paying with that kind of paper cash. Here's a hint, CT-ers: if you're going to make stuff up, at least learn how transactions with that kind of money are made. Outside of hearing about drug deals in the US and stories of contractors in Iraq and Saudi Arabia, human beings don't see that kind of paper cash in anything but the movies.

Undesired Walrus · 9th February 2008, 01:21 AM

Mohammed Atta did not love pork chops. Indeed, he found that 'Eating is boring' as he told his friends.

When they put up a picture of a nude lady in the bathroom to cheer him up, he shunned them then demanded they take it down.

He also didn't like films. Sitting in a theatre before a film started he whispered 'chaos, chaos'.

As Gabriel said to (The old) Mohammed bofors, 'Read'

Undesired Walrus · 9th February 2008, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

In other words... he was exactly the kind of guy who would fly a stolen airplane into an office building if you promised to pay him in virgins?

Mohammed Atta was motivated by religion and politics, not by the promise of Horia.

Sword_Of_Truth · 9th February 2008, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

Mohammed Atta was motivated by religion and politics, not by the promise of Horia.

I was being somewhat facetious in my response, Walrus.

But in my opinion, it works either way. Those who go for lap-dances and "party" with multiple strippers for days on end aren't terribly respectful of women. Osama Bin Laden and his Taliban allies are notorious for their misogynistic attitudes and viewpoint of women as nothing more than baby factories.

Atta either hated women so much he could not bear to look at them, or he hated them just enough to treat them like self-powered sex toys and nothing more.

The stories of strippers and hookers turned out to be false, but the manner in which the troofers interpreted them speaks more of the troofers own wishful thinking and thier inability to look at things outside the box imposed by thier own personal agendas than it does of wether Atta was inclined to mass murder-suicide.

PhantomWolf · 9th February 2008, 01:49 AM

Well since we have known for a while that Amanda Keller was not Atta's boyfriend at all, the entire issue there is moot.

Undesired Walrus · 9th February 2008, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

Atta either hated women so much he could not bear to look at them, or he hated them just enough to treat them like self-powered sex toys and nothing more.

When Atta and Ramzi walked home from Al-Quds Mosque, Atta demanded that they take a different street to the ones on which prostitutes lingered.

peteweaver · 9th February 2008, 03:22 AM

Yeah, and blue Police Telephone boxes are bigger on the inside than they are on the outside...

MaGZ · 9th February 2008, 04:05 AM

I think the Hopsicker stories about Atta in Florida can be dismissed; however the stories about some of the hijackers frequenting the clubs in Las Vegas might have some truth to them. I do not believe Atta was part of this, but other hijackers may have visited the clubs. The Las Vegas connection is interesting in that the hijackers would travel to the city at different times and then leave followed by another group of hijackers. The pattern seems to suggest they were meeting with someone. My theory is they were meeting with KSM. KSM was known to be a "party animal" and for him Las Vegas would be the perfect venue.

MarkyX · 9th February 2008, 04:26 AM

This only enforces the fact that 9/11 deniers are totally ignorant of their surroundings when they try to bring this up with evidence. This is along the same lines as "lulz Osama is left handed, why write with right hand? lol!"

If these people ever spoken to a Muslim before, they would realize that not all of them follow the rules, kind of like how Christians bang each other Doggy Style before marriage.

I know several Muslims who don't force their wife to dress "traditionally", smoke, drink, and all other "taboo" things. In other words, they still believe in there is a dude named Allah, but don't follow things A to Z from the Quran.

So even if these things were true, it doesn't prove anything. To suggest that all Muslims act the same and all Arabs have no individual thought, as presented by the 9/11 deniers so many times, is nothing more then ignorant racism.

Alt+F4 · 9th February 2008, 06:07 AM

I don't get what the point here is supposed to be. Atta and the others were bad, bad Muslims, end of story.

Patriot4life · 9th February 2008, 07:23 AM

Here is an interesting essay from the Lobster journal of parapolitics that may provide a little more insight into why Bofors posted what he did.

http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/ar...lobal-drug.htm

Cl1mh4224rd · 9th February 2008, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Gravy

I don't know about dumb, but he has said that he suffers from mental illness.

Crap. That's right. That's why I had him on ignore...

LastChild · 9th February 2008, 10:31 AM

So that's why he flew American.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...i_mark06007902

American Airlines Introduces New Menus For First Class And Business Class Travelers On Coast-To- Coast Flights
Market Wire, April, 2000

Entrees include Chef Ogden's Fontina-stuffed Chicken with Risotto, and Pork Chop with Mango Barbeque sauce, Chef Susser's Sun-dried Tomato- crusted Sea Bass, and Chef Forgione's Pancakes with Winter Compote. There are also new soups, such as Lobster Bisque, and new salads, dressings, and desserts. On all three-class flights, American now offers caviar to First Class customers at dinner, and is the only airline to do so.

Par · 9th February 2008, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by LastChild

So that's why he flew American.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...i_mark06007902

American Airlines Introduces New Menus For First Class And Business Class Travelers On Coast-To- Coast Flights
Market Wire, April, 2000

Entrees include Chef Ogden's Fontina-stuffed Chicken with Risotto, and Pork Chop with Mango Barbeque sauce, Chef Susser's Sun-dried Tomato- crusted Sea Bass, and Chef Forgione's Pancakes with Winter Compote. There are also new soups, such as Lobster Bisque, and new salads, dressings, and desserts. On all three-class flights, American now offers caviar to First Class customers at dinner, and is the only airline to do so.

By mentioning this sort of fare, you’re being highly inconsiderate. I happen to be Earth’s least willing vegetarian.

LastChild · 9th February 2008, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Par

By mentioning this sort of fare, you’re being highly inconsiderate. I happen to be Earth’s least willing vegetarian.

So then go with the Sea Bass or is anything with a face off limits?

Par · 9th February 2008, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by LastChild

So then go with the Sea Bass or is anything with a face off limits?

Well, anything in possession of a given level of sentience, really. I don’t honestly whether or not a Sea Bass would qualify as “kosher”. I certainly hope so.

16.5 · 9th February 2008, 11:25 AM

This is the crap one of the shining lights of AE Truth comes up with? Not just worthless, pathetic.

Anyhow, its seems that evry time I turn around Bofors and plagiarism are marching hand in hand.

defaultdotxbe · 9th February 2008, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Par

Well, anything in possession of a given level of sentience, really. I don’t honestly whether or not a Sea Bass would qualify as “kosher”. I certainly hope so.

if by "kosher" you literally mean kashrut then yes, sea bass is kosher

if by "kosher" you mean not possessing your required level of sentience, well, it was dumb enough to eat a worm attached to a hook, wasnt it?

Par · 9th February 2008, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

if by "kosher" you literally mean kashrut then yes, sea bass is kosher

if by "kosher" you mean not possessing your required level of sentience, well, it was dumb enough to eat a worm attached to a hook, wasnt it?

Heh. I meant the latter. However, I know of some people who are dumb enough to eat a worm on a hook, but I suspect we would both have ethical qualms about baking them up in an oven!

Jonnyclueless · 9th February 2008, 01:04 PM

Coming soon The great 9/11 Beef Jerky Caper.

gumboot · 9th February 2008, 05:55 PM

It's worth watching the actual original interview with Amanda Keller. She never mentions pork or lap dances, and she recounts that Mohamed frowned on her for drinking alcohol in public.

She also never claims to have been with, or even to have met, Mohammed Atta. Her boyfriend was a man called Mohamed Arajaki. She even spells it out.

Funnily enough, a man called Mohamed Arajaki contacted Mad Cow Productions to tell them that he had been Amanda Keller's boyfriend, and not Mohammed Atta. What's truly astounding is that Mad Cow Productions actually admit this on their website.

Simply put...

Hopsicker found a stripped called Amanda Keller who dated a muslim training to be a pilot called Mohamed Arajaki.

Hopsicker decided that Mohamed Arajaki was actually Mohammed Atta.

Amanda Keller alternatively supported and refuted this claim, flip-flopping repeatedly. It's a pretty good guess that Hopsicker paid her for the interviews.

The FBI eventually confirmed that Amanda Keller never knew Mohammed Atta.

A man called Mohamed Arajaki claims to have been her boyfriend.

Daniel Hopsicker is a liar.

Hyperviolet · 9th February 2008, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by gumboot

It's worth watching the actual original interview with Amanda Keller. She never mentions pork or lap dances, and she recounts that Mohamed frowned on her for drinking alcohol in public.

She also never claims to have been with, or even to have met, Mohammed Atta. Her boyfriend was a man called Mohamed Arajaki. She even spells it out.

Funnily enough, a man called Mohamed Arajaki contacted Mad Cow Productions to tell them that he had been Amanda Keller's boyfriend, and not Mohammed Atta. What's truly astounding is that Mad Cow Productions actually admit this on their website.

Simply put...

Hopsicker found a stripped called Amanda Keller who dated a muslim training to be a pilot called Mohamed Arajaki.

Hopsicker decided that Mohamed Arajaki was actually Mohammed Atta.

Amanda Keller alternatively supported and refuted this claim, flip-flopping repeatedly. It's a pretty good guess that Hopsicker paid her for the interviews.

The FBI eventually confirmed that Amanda Keller never knew Mohammed Atta.

A man called Mohamed Arajaki claims to have been her boyfriend.

Daniel Hopsicker is a liar.

I did not know this.
Thanks, Gumboot.

The Silver Shadow · 9th February 2008, 09:59 PM

to echo what MarkyX said: all Muslims don't behave the same way and they don't follow the Quran 100%. I like to consider myself a Muslim, yet I've had girlfriends, had a drink or two, and have done other things. I believe in Allah, and I also believe in the pillars of Islam.

Also, put yourself in the shoes of an extremist: you're going to commit an act that your god will look favourably on, all your sins will be forgiven for this one act, why not have some fun while you can?

ElMondoHummus · 9th February 2008, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

if by "kosher" you mean not possessing your required level of sentience, well, it was dumb enough to eat a worm attached to a hook, wasnt it?

Actually they net-catch them.

Just... sayin... that's the... umm... way....... they........... I gotta run now...

JamesB · 9th February 2008, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by MarkyX

If these people ever spoken to a Muslim before, they would realize that not all of them follow the rules, kind of like how Christians bang each other Doggy Style before marriage.

What is wrong with doggy style? I don't remember that verse of the bible.

8th February 2008, 11:14 PM	#3
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8th February 2008, 11:15 PM	#4
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Behind you! Posts: 9,181	http://72.32.2.238/forumlive/showthr...=amanda+keller This thread was posted in October 2006. Quote: Well, well, well! Turns out that the source for many of the "wild" Mohamed Atta stories--his drinking, snorting cocaine, dating a stripper, etc.--has fessed up that she was lying all along! Quote: Among other things, the government checked Atta's phone records and found the two had never called each other. In 2002, Keller granted an interview with Daniel Hopsicker, a Venice self-published writer who maintains the government has covered up facts about 9/11. In a taped interview that has circled the Internet, Keller casually discusses intimate details about her relationship with "Mohamed." She claimed it was Atta, but changed her story soon after. "It was my bad for lying," Keller said. "I really didn't think about it until after I did it." You know the response from the Deniers: "They" got to her!
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8th February 2008, 11:26 PM	#7
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Reported for reprinting copyrighted material in its entirety. Oh, and almost everything is false or misleading. That's what you get for believing incompetents and liars like Daniel Hopsicker.
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8th February 2008, 11:29 PM	#10
Disenchanted Thinker Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 207	http://www.911myths.com/html/strip_clubs.html Have truthers run out of new BS, so they just continue to recycle old BS.
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8th February 2008, 11:39 PM	#11
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd This is going to sound like an attack, but I can't think of any other way to word this at 2am: I thought bofors was supposed to be educated. I mean, like, have an advanced degree in... something. I bring it up, because his recent posting history seems very, very... well, dumb. I don't know about dumb, but he has said that he suffers from mental illness. Therefore I think it prudent not to engage him in debate. And if you do demonstrate his incompetence, he may threaten to sue you and cost you a lot of money, as he did me, and he may call all the people in the United States who share your name, resulting in some of those people contacting you, asking why an insane person thinks they are you, and trust me: it's a pain to explain it.
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8th February 2008, 11:12 PM	#2
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Totally ignoring the inaccuracy of alot of this bs, what is the point of this post or is it just some hit and run bs like other woo do?

8th February 2008, 11:21 PM	#5
boloboffin Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5,001	I've got April 18th, 2004: http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=104x1433886 And the 50-item list appear to be "original" research from a now-tombstoned DUer named Minstrel Boy.

8th February 2008, 11:23 PM	#6
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 6,618	This is going to sound like an attack, but I can't think of any other way to word this at 2am: I thought bofors was supposed to be educated. I mean, like, have an advanced degree in... something. I bring it up, because his recent posting history seems very, very... well, dumb.

8th February 2008, 11:27 PM	#8
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	I prefer spare ribs myself.

8th February 2008, 11:28 PM	#9
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd This is going to sound like an attack, but I can't think of any other way to word this at 2am: I thought bofors was supposed to be educated. I mean, like, have an advanced degree in... something. I bring it up, because his recent posting history seems very, very... well, dumb. A woo and an advanced degree mix about as well as oil and water. For an example see Judy "Keeber Elf" Wood. An advanced degree didn't prevent her from not being able to distinguish between inelastic and elastic collisions, why do you think it should be different for bofors?

8th February 2008, 11:45 PM	#12
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by bofors • 1. In Venice Florida, Mohamed Atta lived for two months with an American stripper/lingerie model named Amanda Keller. • 11. Atta, Keller, a stripper named Linda and two Germans partied for three days in Key West. In other words... he was exactly the kind of guy who would fly a stolen airplane into an office building if you promised to pay him in virgins?

8th February 2008, 11:48 PM	#13
Jonnyclueless Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,360	Yeah, there's always a down side to printing someone's lies. It can turn out to not be true and make ya look like an arse.

9th February 2008, 12:02 AM	#14
MetalliSociety Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 329	Welp, bofors posts a pointless topic once again, and just disappears wo trying to defend anything. Typical.
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9th February 2008, 12:03 AM	#15
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I beedunk 40 miles from the border Posts: 10,964	Quote: • 7. Atta’s email list included names of people who worked for defense contractors. One, for instance, worked for Canadian firm Virtual Prototypes, which helped develop the avionics for F-15, F-22 and B-2. There is no google return for a company of that name. There is no 411.ca listing for a company of that name. Quote: I've got April 18th, 2004: http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=104x1433886 And the 50-item list appear to be "original" research from a now-tombstoned DUer named Minstrel Boy Original would be one way of describing something that springs largely from the imagination. Like "an original work of fiction".

9th February 2008, 12:40 AM	#16
GreNME Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 8,283	Quote: 24. Dekkers went from broke to flush very quickly, without having business success with the flight school. One observer said “He didn’t even have the money to buy gas for an airplane… and yet a year later he shows up and plops a million seven, a million eight or two million dollars on the table as if it were paper money.” HA! Oh, that's rich. As if "plop[ing]" millions of dollars "on the table as if it were paper money." wouldn't have managed to bring down the IRS, the FBI, and several other agencies (once they found it came from a foreigner) down on the guy's head for paying with that kind of paper cash. Here's a hint, CT-ers: if you're going to make stuff up, at least learn how transactions with that kind of money are made. Outside of hearing about drug deals in the US and stories of contractors in Iraq and Saudi Arabia, human beings don't see that kind of paper cash in anything but the movies.
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9th February 2008, 01:21 AM	#17
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,904	Mohammed Atta did not love pork chops. Indeed, he found that 'Eating is boring' as he told his friends. When they put up a picture of a nude lady in the bathroom to cheer him up, he shunned them then demanded they take it down. He also didn't like films. Sitting in a theatre before a film started he whispered 'chaos, chaos'. As Gabriel said to (The old) Mohammed bofors, 'Read'
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9th February 2008, 01:28 AM	#18
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,904	Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth In other words... he was exactly the kind of guy who would fly a stolen airplane into an office building if you promised to pay him in virgins? Mohammed Atta was motivated by religion and politics, not by the promise of Horia.
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9th February 2008, 01:46 AM	#19
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus Mohammed Atta was motivated by religion and politics, not by the promise of Horia. I was being somewhat facetious in my response, Walrus. But in my opinion, it works either way. Those who go for lap-dances and "party" with multiple strippers for days on end aren't terribly respectful of women. Osama Bin Laden and his Taliban allies are notorious for their misogynistic attitudes and viewpoint of women as nothing more than baby factories. Atta either hated women so much he could not bear to look at them, or he hated them just enough to treat them like self-powered sex toys and nothing more. The stories of strippers and hookers turned out to be false, but the manner in which the troofers interpreted them speaks more of the troofers own wishful thinking and thier inability to look at things outside the box imposed by thier own personal agendas than it does of wether Atta was inclined to mass murder-suicide.
	Last edited by Sword_Of_Truth; 9th February 2008 at 01:48 AM.

9th February 2008, 01:49 AM	#20
PhantomWolf Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base Posts: 10,004	Well since we have known for a while that Amanda Keller was not Atta's boyfriend at all, the entire issue there is moot.
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9th February 2008, 02:01 AM	#21
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,904	Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth Atta either hated women so much he could not bear to look at them, or he hated them just enough to treat them like self-powered sex toys and nothing more. When Atta and Ramzi walked home from Al-Quds Mosque, Atta demanded that they take a different street to the ones on which prostitutes lingered.
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9th February 2008, 03:22 AM	#22
peteweaver Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,005	Yeah, and blue Police Telephone boxes are bigger on the inside than they are on the outside...

9th February 2008, 04:05 AM	#23
MaGZ Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,335	I think the Hopsicker stories about Atta in Florida can be dismissed; however the stories about some of the hijackers frequenting the clubs in Las Vegas might have some truth to them. I do not believe Atta was part of this, but other hijackers may have visited the clubs. The Las Vegas connection is interesting in that the hijackers would travel to the city at different times and then leave followed by another group of hijackers. The pattern seems to suggest they were meeting with someone. My theory is they were meeting with KSM. KSM was known to be a "party animal" and for him Las Vegas would be the perfect venue.
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9th February 2008, 04:26 AM	#24
MarkyX Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,158	This only enforces the fact that 9/11 deniers are totally ignorant of their surroundings when they try to bring this up with evidence. This is along the same lines as "lulz Osama is left handed, why write with right hand? lol!" If these people ever spoken to a Muslim before, they would realize that not all of them follow the rules, kind of like how Christians bang each other Doggy Style before marriage. I know several Muslims who don't force their wife to dress "traditionally", smoke, drink, and all other "taboo" things. In other words, they still believe in there is a dude named Allah, but don't follow things A to Z from the Quran. So even if these things were true, it doesn't prove anything. To suggest that all Muslims act the same and all Arabs have no individual thought, as presented by the 9/11 deniers so many times, is nothing more then ignorant racism.
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9th February 2008, 06:07 AM	#25
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 9,804	I don't get what the point here is supposed to be. Atta and the others were bad, bad Muslims, end of story.
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9th February 2008, 07:23 AM	#26
Patriot4life Scholar Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 93	Here is an interesting essay from the Lobster journal of parapolitics that may provide a little more insight into why Bofors posted what he did. http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/ar...lobal-drug.htm
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9th February 2008, 09:07 AM	#27
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 6,618	Originally Posted by Gravy I don't know about dumb, but he has said that he suffers from mental illness. Crap. That's right. That's why I had him on ignore...

9th February 2008, 10:31 AM	#28
LastChild Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Disneyland Posts: 2,062	So that's why he flew American. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...i_mark06007902 American Airlines Introduces New Menus For First Class And Business Class Travelers On Coast-To- Coast Flights Market Wire, April, 2000 Entrees include Chef Ogden's Fontina-stuffed Chicken with Risotto, and Pork Chop with Mango Barbeque sauce, Chef Susser's Sun-dried Tomato- crusted Sea Bass, and Chef Forgione's Pancakes with Winter Compote. There are also new soups, such as Lobster Bisque, and new salads, dressings, and desserts. On all three-class flights, American now offers caviar to First Class customers at dinner, and is the only airline to do so.

9th February 2008, 10:41 AM	#29
Par Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,769	Originally Posted by LastChild So that's why he flew American. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...i_mark06007902 American Airlines Introduces New Menus For First Class And Business Class Travelers On Coast-To- Coast Flights Market Wire, April, 2000 Entrees include Chef Ogden's Fontina-stuffed Chicken with Risotto, and Pork Chop with Mango Barbeque sauce, Chef Susser's Sun-dried Tomato- crusted Sea Bass, and Chef Forgione's Pancakes with Winter Compote. There are also new soups, such as Lobster Bisque, and new salads, dressings, and desserts. On all three-class flights, American now offers caviar to First Class customers at dinner, and is the only airline to do so. By mentioning this sort of fare, you’re being highly inconsiderate. I happen to be Earth’s least willing vegetarian.

9th February 2008, 10:45 AM	#30
LastChild Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Disneyland Posts: 2,062	Originally Posted by Par By mentioning this sort of fare, you’re being highly inconsiderate. I happen to be Earth’s least willing vegetarian. So then go with the Sea Bass or is anything with a face off limits?

9th February 2008, 11:15 AM	#31
Par Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,769	Originally Posted by LastChild So then go with the Sea Bass or is anything with a face off limits? Well, anything in possession of a given level of sentience, really. I don’t honestly whether or not a Sea Bass would qualify as “kosher”. I certainly hope so.

9th February 2008, 11:25 AM	#32
16.5 Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,967	This is the crap one of the shining lights of AE Truth comes up with? Not just worthless, pathetic. Anyhow, its seems that evry time I turn around Bofors and plagiarism are marching hand in hand.
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9th February 2008, 11:32 AM	#33
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	Originally Posted by Par Well, anything in possession of a given level of sentience, really. I don’t honestly whether or not a Sea Bass would qualify as “kosher”. I certainly hope so. if by "kosher" you literally mean kashrut then yes, sea bass is kosher if by "kosher" you mean not possessing your required level of sentience, well, it was dumb enough to eat a worm attached to a hook, wasnt it?
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9th February 2008, 12:33 PM	#34
Par Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,769	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe if by "kosher" you literally mean kashrut then yes, sea bass is kosher if by "kosher" you mean not possessing your required level of sentience, well, it was dumb enough to eat a worm attached to a hook, wasnt it? Heh. I meant the latter. However, I know of some people who are dumb enough to eat a worm on a hook, but I suspect we would both have ethical qualms about baking them up in an oven!

9th February 2008, 01:04 PM	#35
Jonnyclueless Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,360	Coming soon The great 9/11 Beef Jerky Caper.

9th February 2008, 05:55 PM	#36
gumboot lorcutus.tolere Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 23,187	It's worth watching the actual original interview with Amanda Keller. She never mentions pork or lap dances, and she recounts that Mohamed frowned on her for drinking alcohol in public. She also never claims to have been with, or even to have met, Mohammed Atta. Her boyfriend was a man called Mohamed Arajaki. She even spells it out. Funnily enough, a man called Mohamed Arajaki contacted Mad Cow Productions to tell them that he had been Amanda Keller's boyfriend, and not Mohammed Atta. What's truly astounding is that Mad Cow Productions actually admit this on their website. Simply put... Hopsicker found a stripped called Amanda Keller who dated a muslim training to be a pilot called Mohamed Arajaki. Hopsicker decided that Mohamed Arajaki was actually Mohammed Atta. Amanda Keller alternatively supported and refuted this claim, flip-flopping repeatedly. It's a pretty good guess that Hopsicker paid her for the interviews. The FBI eventually confirmed that Amanda Keller never knew Mohammed Atta. A man called Mohamed Arajaki claims to have been her boyfriend. Daniel Hopsicker is a liar.
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