Krypton: LIHOP or MIHOP

CptColumbo · 9th February 2008, 09:43 AM

Isn't it interesting that the Kryptonian capital Kandor, with most of the planets political elite, was safely removed from the planet and preserved shortly before the planet's destruction?

Many members of the El family conveniently survived, with some (Kal-El and Kara Zor-El) becoming super-powered beings on another planet.

Undesired Walrus · 9th February 2008, 09:45 AM

Superman's pants on the outside + inside job

There, now I've ruined whoever was going to make that gag.

Pardalis · 9th February 2008, 09:46 AM

Isn't it convenient that Zod, Ursa and Non just happened to leave Krypton moments before it got destroyed? And they were judged and convicted by the only man who knew what was going to happen...

Something smells fishy.

CptColumbo · 9th February 2008, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Pardalis

Isn't it convenient that Zod, Ursa and Non just happened to leave Krypton moments before it got destroyed? And they were judged and convicted by the only man who knew what was going to happen...

Something smells fishy.

And they were later released by his son. It's the Els.

Pardalis · 9th February 2008, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by CptColumbo

And they were later released by his son. It's the Els.

And French terrorists. Remember the elevator rigged with explosives he sent into space?

That allowed him to free the three villains and look heroic to Lois.

He knew what he was doing.

Myriad · 9th February 2008, 09:56 AM

Thermite.
Kryptonite.

Notice the similarity?

Respectfully,
Myriad

Pardalis · 9th February 2008, 09:58 AM

And of course Joe Shuster and Joel Siegel are of Jewish decent... Conspiracy!

Horatius · 9th February 2008, 10:13 AM

It always comes down to the anti-El-ite arguments with you people, doesn't it? What's next? Arguing that, while the destruction of Krypton was a hoax, they had it coming anyways?

CptColumbo · 9th February 2008, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

It always comes down to the anti-El-ite arguments with you people, doesn't it? What's next? Arguing that, while the destruction of Krypton was a hoax, they had it coming anyways?

Well they did build a huge fortress next to Santa's workshop. What's more evil than that?

Brainache · 9th February 2008, 03:09 PM

I want to know what happened to Krypto the dog. He was also a super being who was a companion to the young "Clark Kent" and yet no mention was ever made as to his fate (AFAICT).

Was this "dog" sent back in time to do his master's evil bidding? Has this possibility ever been investigated?

I believe it is highly probable that Krypton was in fact destroyed by a Super Clandestine Retroactive Aggressive Temporal Hound (or SCRATCH).

VespaGuy · 9th February 2008, 04:04 PM

Sure, its all a big joke to you JREFers. Your just a bunch of Superman-sympathisers.

I KNOW Krypton was an inside job!!! These three proved it:

Horatius · 9th February 2008, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by VespaGuy

Sure, its all a big joke to you JREFers. Your just a bunch of Superman-sympathisers.

I KNOW Krypton was an inside job!!! These three proved it:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...e3ec2c30b7.jpg

You've been working on that picture all day, haven't you?

Sword_Of_Truth · 9th February 2008, 04:52 PM

[NERD]

In the pre "Crisis on Infinite Earths" time-line, Krypton was a techno-utopia. A society devoid of want or war. When Jor-El first discovered the impending cataclysm he was able to recruit a substantial group of followers who openly warned thier fellow kryptonians of what was coming as well as embarking on a privately funded program of starship construction to prepare for the evacuation. This came to an end when the shipyards, 90% of Jor-Els followers and a series of automated construction droids built by a time-travelling Kal-El were lost with the rest of Kandor when Brainiac stole Kryptons second largest city.

There was never any indication that the cataclysm itself was anything but a natural event compounded by Kryptons ruling science councils heads being planted firmly in the sand.

Following the cosmic upheaval created by the Crisis on Infinite Earths and the subsequent collapse of the multiverse, a new time-line established itself wherein Krypton was both environmentally and emotionally barren and the incredibly advanced technology of Krypton was used to sustain a society that had socially stagnated.

Several millenia prior to this, it had been a common practice on Krypton to sustain life through the use of clones. Three clones were grown and held in a permanent coma for every man, woman and child on Krypton . Replacement parts were taken as needed from the clones to extend kryptonian lifespans. This practice was vehemently opposed by a religious cult started by an travelling alien cleric who had come to krypton seeking converts. Around this time, one of Supermans ancestors, Kem-El, a man with visions of Kryptonians as a master race, had introduced a genetic marker into the population that rendered Kryptonians incapable of surviving outside Kryptons atmosphere.

A scandal that tore Kryptons social fabric apart occurred when a clone was "stolen" by it's owner from the organ bank and was allowed to grow and function as an individual even rising to prominence in the high society of Kryptonopolis. The news that a clone had achieved a full life utterly destroyed the claims by Kryptons ruling elite that all clones grown for organ and tissue transplants were permanently brain dead. This provoked the pro-clone faction into open warfare plunging Krypton into a civil war that would last for centuries. The opening broadside in the Kryptonian Clone War was fired by an ultra-radical clonie group calling itself "Black Zero". They detonated a nuclear weapon inside the city of Kandor killing 40 million Kryptonians.

The Kryptonian Clone Wars culminated in a raid on Black Zeros base of operations centuries later led by another Superman Ancestor, Van-El. By this time, Black Zero had determined that Kryptonians as a people were beyond saving and had constructed a doomsday device to be dropped into Kryptons core and detonated there destroying the planet. In the ensuing firefight with Van-Els forces, the device was damaged, though dropped into the core, it fizzled, sparing for a time the war torn planet and it's people.

By Jor-Els time, Krypton had decayed into a world like the Vulcan of "Star Trek" only without all the emotional instability. The planets surface never recovered form the devastation of the clone War and it's people isolated themselves from one another and shunned all emotional involvement. Jor-El had discovered the genetic flaw introduced by Kem-El and corrected it in his yet unborn son and had discovered as well the source of the green radiation that had been killing Kryptonians in droves. While Black Zeros doomsday device had fizzled centuries earlier, it set off a chain reaction in Kryptons core that was going to do what Black Zero had originally intended it to do... destroy the planet Krypton. But these discoveries came to late to save anyone but Kal-El.

In this time-line, the destruction of both the planet krypton and the genetic flaw which prohibited any attempt to save her people were both very much MIHOP scenarios.

This time-line was all but erased following the "Zero Hour" event wherein the first human member of the Green Lantern Corps, Hal Jordan, while possessed and influenced by the alien entity "Parrallax" attempted to start a new "Big Bang" and create all of history anew in order to restore Hal Jordans beloved Coast City and his family which had been destroyed years before by the alien warlord Mongul.

In the new time-line, as retold in "Superman: Birthright", the original Krypton as a society at the zenith of its technological, social and spiritual development reasserted itself. And the disaster that befell them was once again a purely natural one.

This time-line too is rumored to have been re-written by the reality altering events of the recent Infinite Crisis, or by the upcoming Final Crisis.

Wether the "newest" Krypton was destroyed by MIHOP remains to be revealed.

[/NERD]

Brainache · 9th February 2008, 05:29 PM

Crikey!~Here's me thinking I spent too much time coming up with my little super doggy scenario. You people are weird.

Unsecured Coins · 9th February 2008, 05:48 PM

I say they let it happen. they have the technology to save all of their knowledge on a freaking CRYSTAL and send a kid out in space for 8 years with no food but their planet is about to suffer a controlled demolition from the inside and they don't know what to do?

The offical story is a lie. Investigate Krypton!

Horatius · 9th February 2008, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

[NERD]

.......

[/NERD]

What a load of disinfo crap!

What's next, Spiderman was bitten by a genetically engineered spider, rather than a radioactive one? As if!!!

Alt+F4 · 10th February 2008, 05:46 AM

I'm sure award winning reporter Lois Lane will break this case wide open! Then on the other hand it's only a pair of glasses that prevents her from realizing that Clark Kent is Superman. She's like your average "truther".

defaultdotxbe · 10th February 2008, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Brainache

I want to know what happened to Krypto the dog. He was also a super being who was a companion to the young "Clark Kent" and yet no mention was ever made as to his fate (AFAICT).

Was this "dog" sent back in time to do his master's evil bidding? Has this possibility ever been investigated?

well if your interested in real reason krypto isnt around anymore it mainly marketing, the DC higher-ups decided that for superman to be the "last son of krypton" there cant be so many kryptonians running around (i mean come on, beppo the super monkey? gimme a break)

so after crisis on infinite earths all the other kryptonians (krypto, beppo, supergirl, zod, etc) just werent there anymore

they later "bent" supergirls origin to bring her back, shes kryptonian, but not from krypton (at least in some continuities)

dudalb · 10th February 2008, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Pardalis

Isn't it convenient that Zod, Ursa and Non just happened to leave Krypton moments before it got destroyed? And they were judged and convicted by the only man who knew what was going to happen...

Something smells fishy.

Zod and his minions were just patsies for DarkSeid.

ckent2 · 12th February 2008, 11:08 AM

Ha ha! Ur... why don't we talk about other things other than Krypton... I'm so sick of Superman talk... especially from Lois.

Brainster · 12th February 2008, 03:45 PM

Further evidence here.

9th February 2008, 09:43 AM	#1
CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 9,130	Krypton: LIHOP or MIHOP Isn't it interesting that the Kryptonian capital Kandor, with most of the planets political elite, was safely removed from the planet and preserved shortly before the planet's destruction? Many members of the El family conveniently survived, with some (Kal-El and Kara Zor-El) becoming super-powered beings on another planet.
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9th February 2008, 09:45 AM	#2
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9th February 2008, 09:46 AM	#3
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Isn't it convenient that Zod, Ursa and Non just happened to leave Krypton moments before it got destroyed? And they were judged and convicted by the only man who knew what was going to happen... Something smells fishy.
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9th February 2008, 09:53 AM	#4
CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 9,130	Originally Posted by Pardalis Isn't it convenient that Zod, Ursa and Non just happened to leave Krypton moments before it got destroyed? And they were judged and convicted by the only man who knew what was going to happen... Something smells fishy. And they were later released by his son. It's the Els.
	__________________ I've been involved in a lot of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader.--Creed, "The Office" The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be only found in the minds of men. Prejudices and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all its own.--Rod Serling

9th February 2008, 09:56 AM	#6
Myriad Hyperthetical Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 8,195	Thermite. Kryptonite. Notice the similarity? Respectfully, Myriad
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9th February 2008, 09:56 AM	#5
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Originally Posted by CptColumbo And they were later released by his son. It's the Els. And French terrorists. Remember the elevator rigged with explosives he sent into space? That allowed him to free the three villains and look heroic to Lois. He knew what he was doing.

9th February 2008, 09:58 AM	#7
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	And of course Joe Shuster and Joel Siegel are of Jewish decent... Conspiracy!

9th February 2008, 10:13 AM	#8
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,883	It always comes down to the anti-El-ite arguments with you people, doesn't it? What's next? Arguing that, while the destruction of Krypton was a hoax, they had it coming anyways?
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9th February 2008, 10:17 AM	#9
CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 9,130	Originally Posted by Horatius It always comes down to the anti-El-ite arguments with you people, doesn't it? What's next? Arguing that, while the destruction of Krypton was a hoax, they had it coming anyways? Well they did build a huge fortress next to Santa's workshop. What's more evil than that?
	__________________ I've been involved in a lot of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader.--Creed, "The Office" The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be only found in the minds of men. Prejudices and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all its own.--Rod Serling

9th February 2008, 03:09 PM	#10
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Knob Hill. Posts: 9,079	I want to know what happened to Krypto the dog. He was also a super being who was a companion to the young "Clark Kent" and yet no mention was ever made as to his fate (AFAICT). Was this "dog" sent back in time to do his master's evil bidding? Has this possibility ever been investigated? I believe it is highly probable that Krypton was in fact destroyed by a Super Clandestine Retroactive Aggressive Temporal Hound (or SCRATCH).
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9th February 2008, 04:04 PM	#11
VespaGuy Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,035	Sure, its all a big joke to you JREFers. Your just a bunch of Superman-sympathisers. I KNOW Krypton was an inside job!!! These three proved it:
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9th February 2008, 04:41 PM	#12
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,883	Originally Posted by VespaGuy Sure, its all a big joke to you JREFers. Your just a bunch of Superman-sympathisers. I KNOW Krypton was an inside job!!! These three proved it: http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...e3ec2c30b7.jpg You've been working on that picture all day, haven't you?
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9th February 2008, 04:52 PM	#13
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	[NERD] In the pre "Crisis on Infinite Earths" time-line, Krypton was a techno-utopia. A society devoid of want or war. When Jor-El first discovered the impending cataclysm he was able to recruit a substantial group of followers who openly warned thier fellow kryptonians of what was coming as well as embarking on a privately funded program of starship construction to prepare for the evacuation. This came to an end when the shipyards, 90% of Jor-Els followers and a series of automated construction droids built by a time-travelling Kal-El were lost with the rest of Kandor when Brainiac stole Kryptons second largest city. There was never any indication that the cataclysm itself was anything but a natural event compounded by Kryptons ruling science councils heads being planted firmly in the sand. Following the cosmic upheaval created by the Crisis on Infinite Earths and the subsequent collapse of the multiverse, a new time-line established itself wherein Krypton was both environmentally and emotionally barren and the incredibly advanced technology of Krypton was used to sustain a society that had socially stagnated. Several millenia prior to this, it had been a common practice on Krypton to sustain life through the use of clones. Three clones were grown and held in a permanent coma for every man, woman and child on Krypton . Replacement parts were taken as needed from the clones to extend kryptonian lifespans. This practice was vehemently opposed by a religious cult started by an travelling alien cleric who had come to krypton seeking converts. Around this time, one of Supermans ancestors, Kem-El, a man with visions of Kryptonians as a master race, had introduced a genetic marker into the population that rendered Kryptonians incapable of surviving outside Kryptons atmosphere. A scandal that tore Kryptons social fabric apart occurred when a clone was "stolen" by it's owner from the organ bank and was allowed to grow and function as an individual even rising to prominence in the high society of Kryptonopolis. The news that a clone had achieved a full life utterly destroyed the claims by Kryptons ruling elite that all clones grown for organ and tissue transplants were permanently brain dead. This provoked the pro-clone faction into open warfare plunging Krypton into a civil war that would last for centuries. The opening broadside in the Kryptonian Clone War was fired by an ultra-radical clonie group calling itself "Black Zero". They detonated a nuclear weapon inside the city of Kandor killing 40 million Kryptonians. The Kryptonian Clone Wars culminated in a raid on Black Zeros base of operations centuries later led by another Superman Ancestor, Van-El. By this time, Black Zero had determined that Kryptonians as a people were beyond saving and had constructed a doomsday device to be dropped into Kryptons core and detonated there destroying the planet. In the ensuing firefight with Van-Els forces, the device was damaged, though dropped into the core, it fizzled, sparing for a time the war torn planet and it's people. By Jor-Els time, Krypton had decayed into a world like the Vulcan of "Star Trek" only without all the emotional instability. The planets surface never recovered form the devastation of the clone War and it's people isolated themselves from one another and shunned all emotional involvement. Jor-El had discovered the genetic flaw introduced by Kem-El and corrected it in his yet unborn son and had discovered as well the source of the green radiation that had been killing Kryptonians in droves. While Black Zeros doomsday device had fizzled centuries earlier, it set off a chain reaction in Kryptons core that was going to do what Black Zero had originally intended it to do... destroy the planet Krypton. But these discoveries came to late to save anyone but Kal-El. In this time-line, the destruction of both the planet krypton and the genetic flaw which prohibited any attempt to save her people were both very much MIHOP scenarios. This time-line was all but erased following the "Zero Hour" event wherein the first human member of the Green Lantern Corps, Hal Jordan, while possessed and influenced by the alien entity "Parrallax" attempted to start a new "Big Bang" and create all of history anew in order to restore Hal Jordans beloved Coast City and his family which had been destroyed years before by the alien warlord Mongul. In the new time-line, as retold in "Superman: Birthright", the original Krypton as a society at the zenith of its technological, social and spiritual development reasserted itself. And the disaster that befell them was once again a purely natural one. This time-line too is rumored to have been re-written by the reality altering events of the recent Infinite Crisis, or by the upcoming Final Crisis. Wether the "newest" Krypton was destroyed by MIHOP remains to be revealed. [/NERD]
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9th February 2008, 05:29 PM	#14
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Knob Hill. Posts: 9,079	Crikey!~Here's me thinking I spent too much time coming up with my little super doggy scenario. You people are weird.
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9th February 2008, 05:48 PM	#15
Unsecured Coins Hoku-maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: in your macaronis. warming my feets Posts: 5,740	I say they let it happen. they have the technology to save all of their knowledge on a freaking CRYSTAL and send a kid out in space for 8 years with no food but their planet is about to suffer a controlled demolition from the inside and they don't know what to do? The offical story is a lie. Investigate Krypton!
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9th February 2008, 06:01 PM	#16
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,883	Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth [NERD] ....... [/NERD] What a load of disinfo crap! What's next, Spiderman was bitten by a genetically engineered spider, rather than a radioactive one? As if!!!
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10th February 2008, 05:46 AM	#17
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 9,770	I'm sure award winning reporter Lois Lane will break this case wide open! Then on the other hand it's only a pair of glasses that prevents her from realizing that Clark Kent is Superman. She's like your average "truther".
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10th February 2008, 10:01 AM	#18
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	Originally Posted by Brainache I want to know what happened to Krypto the dog. He was also a super being who was a companion to the young "Clark Kent" and yet no mention was ever made as to his fate (AFAICT). Was this "dog" sent back in time to do his master's evil bidding? Has this possibility ever been investigated? well if your interested in real reason krypto isnt around anymore it mainly marketing, the DC higher-ups decided that for superman to be the "last son of krypton" there cant be so many kryptonians running around (i mean come on, beppo the super monkey? gimme a break) so after crisis on infinite earths all the other kryptonians (krypto, beppo, supergirl, zod, etc) just werent there anymore they later "bent" supergirls origin to bring her back, shes kryptonian, but not from krypton (at least in some continuities)
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10th February 2008, 11:09 AM	#19
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,782	Originally Posted by Pardalis Isn't it convenient that Zod, Ursa and Non just happened to leave Krypton moments before it got destroyed? And they were judged and convicted by the only man who knew what was going to happen... Something smells fishy. Zod and his minions were just patsies for DarkSeid.

12th February 2008, 11:08 AM	#20
ckent2 Student Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 28	Ha ha! Ur... why don't we talk about other things other than Krypton... I'm so sick of Superman talk... especially from Lois.
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12th February 2008, 03:45 PM	#21
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,408	Further evidence here.
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