Majority believe JFK woo - NOPE

~enigma~ · 12th February 2008, 02:43 PM

Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition. The question I asked was do you believe JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald the way we were told or do you believe there is some type of government conspiracy. One guy (young guy - around 25) said No, the Jews did it (guess there is always an idiot in the bunch). 11 others said that they were not sure what really happened but they wouldn't write off a conspiracy. One older man said he didn't habe any opinion on the matter. The remaining 43 people were split where 20 said we were told what happened and the remaining 23 said they have no reason to believe any type of conspiracy. Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%.

BTW, one lady asked me why after 44 1/2 years I couldn't figure out Oswald did it

Unsecured Coins · 12th February 2008, 02:45 PM

I do not accept your results because they were not in the form of a loaded question Zogby poll. You fail. Here's a copy of the home game, security, escort this man off the lot.

*taser*

SpitfireIX · 12th February 2008, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition. The question I asked was do you believe JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald the way we were told or do you believe there is some type of government conspiracy. One guy (young guy - around 25) said No, the Jews did it (guess there is always an idiot in the bunch). 11 others said that they were not sure what really happened but they wouldn't write off a conspiracy. One older man said he didn't habe any opinion on the matter. The remaining 43 people were split where 20 said we were told what happened and the remaining 23 said they have no reason to believe any type of conspiracy. Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%.

BTW, one lady asked me why after 44 1/2 years I couldn't figure out Oswald did it

Wow. You only interviewed 56 people, and somehow you managed to get MaGZ in your sample. Talk about your one-in-a-million shots.

~enigma~ · 12th February 2008, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by SpitfireIX

Wow. You only interviewed 56 people, and somehow you managed to get MaGZ in your sample. Talk about your one-in-a-million shots.

If MaGZ is in Baytown I'm moving...

beachnut · 12th February 2008, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition. The question I asked was do you believe JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald the way we were told or do you believe there is some type of government conspiracy. One guy (young guy - around 25) said No, the Jews did it (guess there is always an idiot in the bunch). 11 others said that they were not sure what really happened but they wouldn't write off a conspiracy. One older man said he didn't habe any opinion on the matter. The remaining 43 people were split where 20 said we were told what happened and the remaining 23 said they have no reason to believe any type of conspiracy. Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%.

BTW, one lady asked me why after 44 1/2 years I couldn't figure out Oswald did it

12 out of 56! ouch

The fact the people can answer questions puts them above the normal range of CTers. But beware, you may not want to know who is into woo. I would never ask a bunch of people, I want to believe they are smarter than I.

I would stop fighting over polls, and figure out why 12 people are not able to understand JFK.

I want the number to be lower, but I am glad it is high enough for me to make the cutoff to be an Air Force pilot. I suspect some of the woo believers are not great competition for the jobs I want. Outstanding.

~enigma~ · 12th February 2008, 03:07 PM

Isn't majority over 51%? And why is it besides Cisco and CurtC that the insistence that the majority of American's are into woo (or stupid if you prefer) coming from outside the USA? A little jealousy perhaps?

beachnut · 12th February 2008, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Isn't majority over 51%? And why is it besides Cisco and CurtC that the insistence that the majority of American's are into woo (or stupid if you prefer) coming from outside the USA? A little jealousy perhaps?

If you had only come up with 2 people or 1, I would feel good saying Cisco's poll could be wrong; but 12~! ouch again.

I would buy Cisco a beer and forget polls; Cisco you can have a beer on me if you agree to think for yourself! deal?

CurtC, you want a beer too?

Stop asking people, it may scare you. lllooolllll

you are luck you asked enough! what if you only asked the woo guys! Do you believe in JFK woo stuff? I mean you could have had 90 plus percent woo!

OldTigerCub · 12th February 2008, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition. The question I asked was do you believe JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald the way we were told or do you believe there is some type of government conspiracy. One guy (young guy - around 25) said No, the Jews did it (guess there is always an idiot in the bunch). 11 others said that they were not sure what really happened but they wouldn't write off a conspiracy. One older man said he didn't habe any opinion on the matter. The remaining 43 people were split where 20 said we were told what happened and the remaining 23 said they have no reason to believe any type of conspiracy. Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%.

BTW, one lady asked me why after 44 1/2 years I couldn't figure out Oswald did it

(bolding mine)

Did you give that lady an invite to JREF...? (or.... maybe she's already here! Only the "Shadowy" Warren Commission knows....muahhahahahaha!!!!

)

Tweeter · 12th February 2008, 03:31 PM

I bet these same people couldnt pick Iran off a world map.

Unsecured Coins · 12th February 2008, 03:33 PM

Like you've ever been there

cisco · 12th February 2008, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by beachnut

I would buy Cisco a beer and forget polls; Cisco you can have a beer on me if you agree to think for yourself! deal?

Thanks; I'd be honored.

Jonnyclueless · 12th February 2008, 03:48 PM

I think people thinking JFK was a conspiracy though is a little more understandable than 9/11. Back done investigations were done by credible people who simply lacked the technology at the time. So it wasn't so much just crazies implying a conspiracy, it was legitimate people as well. And now that modern science has pretty much patched up every hole, it is no longer in the spot light. So I think it's understandable for many people to still only be familiar with information from long ago and not the current stuff.

I'm willing to bet there are more people in the general public that are familiar with the scientific audio research that determined there was a 4th shot than there are that know that research was found to be wrong.

Redtail · 12th February 2008, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Tweeter

I bet these same people couldnt pick Iran off a world map.

I bet if you got 56 truthers in a room to discuss what to do next 52 would leave after they found out there wasn't any punch and pie.

Unsecured Coins · 12th February 2008, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Redtail

I bet if you got 56 truthers in a room to discuss what to do next 52 would leave after they found out there wasn't any punch and pie.

you mean there isn't?

*door slam*

A W Smith · 12th February 2008, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Tweeter

I bet these same people couldnt pick Iran off a world map.

There is no Dallas or Texas school book depository in Iran

Magenta · 12th February 2008, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by beachnut

I would stop fighting over polls, and figure out why 12 people are not able to understand JFK.

I never saw it, but didn’t Oliver Stone's film not exactly rule out a conspiracy?

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Isn't majority over 51%? And why is it besides Cisco and CurtC that the insistence that the majority of American's are into woo (or stupid if you prefer) coming from outside the USA? A little jealousy perhaps?

Why jealousy? I don't know what prompted the argument over how many Americans believe the JFK conspiracy but there are people everywhere who believe stupid things. Maybe American woo is just more visible. With a population of over 300 million in the US, even a minority adds up to a lot of people with a sizeable presence on the internet and in popular culture.

~enigma~ · 12th February 2008, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Magenta

Why jealousy?

Please note the question mark.

BTW, I loved you in The Rocky Horror Picture Show

Magenta · 12th February 2008, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

BTW, I loved you in The Rocky Horror Picture Show

Why, thank you!

stilicho · 12th February 2008, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition. The question I asked was do you believe JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald the way we were told or do you believe there is some type of government conspiracy. One guy (young guy - around 25) said No, the Jews did it (guess there is always an idiot in the bunch). 11 others said that they were not sure what really happened but they wouldn't write off a conspiracy. One older man said he didn't habe any opinion on the matter. The remaining 43 people were split where 20 said we were told what happened and the remaining 23 said they have no reason to believe any type of conspiracy. Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%.

BTW, one lady asked me why after 44 1/2 years I couldn't figure out Oswald did it

I'd be interested to see a full poll of which your question was included along with the following:

-- How many books did you read last month?

-- From what media do you get most of your news?

A well-structured poll, including other innocuous questions, could produce better results.

My hypothesis is that you would find a strong correlation between those who believe Oswald shot JFK and that he acted alone, that read more books, and who receive their news from newspapers and periodicals. The flipside is the hypothesis that those who believe in a conspiracy or are "unsure" read fewer books and receive most of their news from television or the internet.

Just a hypothesis but can be tested.

~enigma~ · 12th February 2008, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by stilicho

I'd be interested to see a full poll of which your question was included along with the following:

-- How many books did you read last month?

-- From what media do you get most of your news?

A well-structured poll, including other innocuous questions, could produce better results.

My hypothesis is that you would find a strong correlation between those who believe Oswald shot JFK and that he acted alone, that read more books, and who receive their news from newspapers and periodicals. The flipside is the hypothesis that those who believe in a conspiracy or are "unsure" read fewer books and receive most of their news from television or the internet.

Just a hypothesis but can be tested.

I can tell you i saw some quite interesting tendencies during this short and impromptu poll. The answers were definitely linked to age and although apperances do not necessarily mean much they also seemd to fall along a nice neat "economic" line. Which by itself shows me that woo tends to gravitate toward youth and less wealth (and seemingly education).

Hyperviolet · 12th February 2008, 08:26 PM

I've been looking into JFK CTs quite a bit lately. It's fascinating just how intricate some believe the plot to me.
One common claim, in particular, strikes me as pretty silly, yet, it's constantly used.

"Back and to the Left."
Suggesting that JFK was shot from the front (grassy knoll), causing his head to go *backwards and to the left.*

Now, I've seen many things refuting this (Penn and Teller explaining the jet effect, et cetera), however, surely the most obvious is this:

There isn't a bullet wound on his face.
As the (shot from the front) Back And To The Left theory implies.

Am I missing something?
It just seems a little too obvious....

CurtC · 12th February 2008, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by beachnut

CurtC, you want a beer too?

As I read these words, I had just taken a sip of beer (Red Hook ESB) and was in the process of swallowing it.

Dave Rogers · 13th February 2008, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%.

I'm glad to hear it. Have you ever done any analysis of the polls that gave a majority conspiracist opinion to see if the questions were biased towards that result?

Dave

Par · 13th February 2008, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by Tweeter

I bet these same people couldnt pick Iran off a world map.

Perhaps you should find out by conducting a survey of your own. After all, “the truth is out there”, as you’re so fond of saying!

Par · 13th February 2008, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition...

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Isn't majority over 51%? And why is it besides Cisco and CurtC that the insistence that the majority of American's are into woo (or stupid if you prefer) coming from outside the USA? A little jealousy perhaps?

So, standing outside one’s house and talking to fifty passers-by makes a survey which is both conclusive and – as a corollary – trumps all the other surveys adduced so far. Further, if you don’t agree, then you’re just jealous and probably foreign.

In short, we’re to prefer extremely poor data to (marginally) better data, to consider the appeal to motives fallacy a valid form or argument, and to manifest a faintly unpleasant and dogmatic nationalism.

(Disclaimer: I put faith in neither any of the surveys adduced nor necessarily believe that most Americans believe JFK conspiracy theories.)

chillzero · 13th February 2008, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by Hyperviolet

I've been looking into JFK CTs quite a bit lately. It's fascinating just how intricate some believe the plot to me.
One common claim, in particular, strikes me as pretty silly, yet, it's constantly used.

"Back and to the Left."
Suggesting that JFK was shot from the front (grassy knoll), causing his head to go *backwards and to the left.*

Now, I've seen many things refuting this (Penn and Teller explaining the jet effect, et cetera), however, surely the most obvious is this:

There isn't a bullet wound on his face.
As the (shot from the front) Back And To The Left theory implies.

Am I missing something?
It just seems a little too obvious....

umm... maybe you could use an undisputed and confirmed image, if you want it to be used as any kind of evidence?

http://www.forteantimes.com/stranged...sy_photos.html

Quote:

The collection of autopsy pictures at www.jfklancer.com/aphotos.html shows JFK both with and without the forehead wound. Given that neither autopsy nor doctors reported it, the forehead wound pictures must be the fakes; and thus, so is the Zapruder fi lm, which shows the forehead wound occurring. But are the non-forehead wound pictures genuine? We can’t be sure. The technicians who photographed the autopsy say they are faked.

Hyperviolet · 13th February 2008, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by chillzero

umm... maybe you could use an undisputed and confirmed image, if you want it to be used as any kind of evidence?

http://www.forteantimes.com/stranged...sy_photos.html

Incredible woo.

Drudgewire · 13th February 2008, 05:54 AM

Oh man, Fort Times. There's a blast from the past.

sackett · 13th February 2008, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by CurtC

As I read these words, I had just taken a sip of beer (Red Hook ESB) and was in the process of swallowing it.

And the JREFfers will call that just a great big coincidence!

I shot JFK.

12th February 2008, 02:43 PM	#1
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Majority believe JFK woo - NOPE Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition. The question I asked was do you believe JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald the way we were told or do you believe there is some type of government conspiracy. One guy (young guy - around 25) said No, the Jews did it (guess there is always an idiot in the bunch). 11 others said that they were not sure what really happened but they wouldn't write off a conspiracy. One older man said he didn't habe any opinion on the matter. The remaining 43 people were split where 20 said we were told what happened and the remaining 23 said they have no reason to believe any type of conspiracy. Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%. BTW, one lady asked me why after 44 1/2 years I couldn't figure out Oswald did it

12th February 2008, 02:45 PM	#2
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12th February 2008, 02:52 PM	#3
SpitfireIX Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana, USA Posts: 2,830	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition. The question I asked was do you believe JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald the way we were told or do you believe there is some type of government conspiracy. One guy (young guy - around 25) said No, the Jews did it (guess there is always an idiot in the bunch). 11 others said that they were not sure what really happened but they wouldn't write off a conspiracy. One older man said he didn't habe any opinion on the matter. The remaining 43 people were split where 20 said we were told what happened and the remaining 23 said they have no reason to believe any type of conspiracy. Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%. BTW, one lady asked me why after 44 1/2 years I couldn't figure out Oswald did it Wow. You only interviewed 56 people, and somehow you managed to get MaGZ in your sample. Talk about your one-in-a-million shots.
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12th February 2008, 03:00 PM	#5
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,904	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition. The question I asked was do you believe JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald the way we were told or do you believe there is some type of government conspiracy. One guy (young guy - around 25) said No, the Jews did it (guess there is always an idiot in the bunch). 11 others said that they were not sure what really happened but they wouldn't write off a conspiracy. One older man said he didn't habe any opinion on the matter. The remaining 43 people were split where 20 said we were told what happened and the remaining 23 said they have no reason to believe any type of conspiracy. Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%. BTW, one lady asked me why after 44 1/2 years I couldn't figure out Oswald did it 12 out of 56! ouch The fact the people can answer questions puts them above the normal range of CTers. But beware, you may not want to know who is into woo. I would never ask a bunch of people, I want to believe they are smarter than I. I would stop fighting over polls, and figure out why 12 people are not able to understand JFK. I want the number to be lower, but I am glad it is high enough for me to make the cutoff to be an Air Force pilot. I suspect some of the woo believers are not great competition for the jobs I want. Outstanding.
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12th February 2008, 03:21 PM	#7
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,904	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Isn't majority over 51%? And why is it besides Cisco and CurtC that the insistence that the majority of American's are into woo (or stupid if you prefer) coming from outside the USA? A little jealousy perhaps? If you had only come up with 2 people or 1, I would feel good saying Cisco's poll could be wrong; but 12~! ouch again. I would buy Cisco a beer and forget polls; Cisco you can have a beer on me if you agree to think for yourself! deal? CurtC, you want a beer too? Stop asking people, it may scare you. lllooolllll you are luck you asked enough! what if you only asked the woo guys! Do you believe in JFK woo stuff? I mean you could have had 90 plus percent woo!
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12th February 2008, 02:55 PM	#4
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Originally Posted by SpitfireIX Wow. You only interviewed 56 people, and somehow you managed to get MaGZ in your sample. Talk about your one-in-a-million shots. If MaGZ is in Baytown I'm moving...

12th February 2008, 03:07 PM	#6
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Isn't majority over 51%? And why is it besides Cisco and CurtC that the insistence that the majority of American's are into woo (or stupid if you prefer) coming from outside the USA? A little jealousy perhaps?

12th February 2008, 03:28 PM	#8
OldTigerCub Striped Shapeshifting Reptoid Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Steeler Nation, Pa. Posts: 1,633	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition. The question I asked was do you believe JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald the way we were told or do you believe there is some type of government conspiracy. One guy (young guy - around 25) said No, the Jews did it (guess there is always an idiot in the bunch). 11 others said that they were not sure what really happened but they wouldn't write off a conspiracy. One older man said he didn't habe any opinion on the matter. The remaining 43 people were split where 20 said we were told what happened and the remaining 23 said they have no reason to believe any type of conspiracy. Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%. BTW, one lady asked me why after 44 1/2 years I couldn't figure out Oswald did it (bolding mine) Did you give that lady an invite to JREF...? (or.... maybe she's already here! Only the "Shadowy" Warren Commission knows....muahhahahahaha!!!! )
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12th February 2008, 03:31 PM	#9
Tweeter Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 791	I bet these same people couldnt pick Iran off a world map.
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12th February 2008, 03:33 PM	#10
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12th February 2008, 03:46 PM	#11
cisco Muse Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 709	Originally Posted by beachnut I would buy Cisco a beer and forget polls; Cisco you can have a beer on me if you agree to think for yourself! deal? Thanks; I'd be honored.
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12th February 2008, 03:48 PM	#12
Jonnyclueless Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,360	I think people thinking JFK was a conspiracy though is a little more understandable than 9/11. Back done investigations were done by credible people who simply lacked the technology at the time. So it wasn't so much just crazies implying a conspiracy, it was legitimate people as well. And now that modern science has pretty much patched up every hole, it is no longer in the spot light. So I think it's understandable for many people to still only be familiar with information from long ago and not the current stuff. I'm willing to bet there are more people in the general public that are familiar with the scientific audio research that determined there was a 4th shot than there are that know that research was found to be wrong.

12th February 2008, 03:55 PM	#13
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by Tweeter I bet these same people couldnt pick Iran off a world map. I bet if you got 56 truthers in a room to discuss what to do next 52 would leave after they found out there wasn't any punch and pie.
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12th February 2008, 03:58 PM	#14
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12th February 2008, 06:08 PM	#15
A W Smith Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Jersey Posts: 7,031	Originally Posted by Tweeter I bet these same people couldnt pick Iran off a world map. There is no Dallas or Texas school book depository in Iran
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12th February 2008, 06:18 PM	#16
Magenta Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,311	Originally Posted by beachnut I would stop fighting over polls, and figure out why 12 people are not able to understand JFK. I never saw it, but didn’t Oliver Stone's film not exactly rule out a conspiracy? Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Isn't majority over 51%? And why is it besides Cisco and CurtC that the insistence that the majority of American's are into woo (or stupid if you prefer) coming from outside the USA? A little jealousy perhaps? Why jealousy? I don't know what prompted the argument over how many Americans believe the JFK conspiracy but there are people everywhere who believe stupid things. Maybe American woo is just more visible. With a population of over 300 million in the US, even a minority adds up to a lot of people with a sizeable presence on the internet and in popular culture.

12th February 2008, 06:23 PM	#17
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Originally Posted by Magenta Why jealousy? Please note the question mark. BTW, I loved you in The Rocky Horror Picture Show

12th February 2008, 06:47 PM	#18
Magenta Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,311	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ BTW, I loved you in The Rocky Horror Picture Show Why, thank you!

12th February 2008, 07:28 PM	#19
stilicho Trurl's Electronic Bard Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,714	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition. The question I asked was do you believe JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald the way we were told or do you believe there is some type of government conspiracy. One guy (young guy - around 25) said No, the Jews did it (guess there is always an idiot in the bunch). 11 others said that they were not sure what really happened but they wouldn't write off a conspiracy. One older man said he didn't habe any opinion on the matter. The remaining 43 people were split where 20 said we were told what happened and the remaining 23 said they have no reason to believe any type of conspiracy. Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%. BTW, one lady asked me why after 44 1/2 years I couldn't figure out Oswald did it I'd be interested to see a full poll of which your question was included along with the following: -- How many books did you read last month? -- From what media do you get most of your news? A well-structured poll, including other innocuous questions, could produce better results. My hypothesis is that you would find a strong correlation between those who believe Oswald shot JFK and that he acted alone, that read more books, and who receive their news from newspapers and periodicals. The flipside is the hypothesis that those who believe in a conspiracy or are "unsure" read fewer books and receive most of their news from television or the internet. Just a hypothesis but can be tested.
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12th February 2008, 08:06 PM	#20
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Originally Posted by stilicho I'd be interested to see a full poll of which your question was included along with the following: -- How many books did you read last month? -- From what media do you get most of your news? A well-structured poll, including other innocuous questions, could produce better results. My hypothesis is that you would find a strong correlation between those who believe Oswald shot JFK and that he acted alone, that read more books, and who receive their news from newspapers and periodicals. The flipside is the hypothesis that those who believe in a conspiracy or are "unsure" read fewer books and receive most of their news from television or the internet. Just a hypothesis but can be tested. I can tell you i saw some quite interesting tendencies during this short and impromptu poll. The answers were definitely linked to age and although apperances do not necessarily mean much they also seemd to fall along a nice neat "economic" line. Which by itself shows me that woo tends to gravitate toward youth and less wealth (and seemingly education).
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12th February 2008, 08:26 PM	#21
Hyperviolet Damnum Fatale Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Glaschu Posts: 988	I've been looking into JFK CTs quite a bit lately. It's fascinating just how intricate some believe the plot to me. One common claim, in particular, strikes me as pretty silly, yet, it's constantly used. "Back and to the Left." Suggesting that JFK was shot from the front (grassy knoll), causing his head to go backwards and to the left. Now, I've seen many things refuting this (Penn and Teller explaining the jet effect, et cetera), however, surely the most obvious is this: There isn't a bullet wound on his face. As the (shot from the front) Back And To The Left theory implies. Am I missing something? It just seems a little too obvious....
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12th February 2008, 09:23 PM	#22
CurtC Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 4,758	Originally Posted by beachnut CurtC, you want a beer too? As I read these words, I had just taken a sip of beer (Red Hook ESB) and was in the process of swallowing it.
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13th February 2008, 12:49 AM	#23
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In a world lit only by fire. Posts: 17,894	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%. I'm glad to hear it. Have you ever done any analysis of the polls that gave a majority conspiracist opinion to see if the questions were biased towards that result? Dave
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13th February 2008, 02:54 AM	#24
Par Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,769	Originally Posted by Tweeter I bet these same people couldnt pick Iran off a world map. Perhaps you should find out by conducting a survey of your own. After all, “the truth is out there”, as you’re so fond of saying!

13th February 2008, 03:07 AM	#25
Par Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,769	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition... Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Isn't majority over 51%? And why is it besides Cisco and CurtC that the insistence that the majority of American's are into woo (or stupid if you prefer) coming from outside the USA? A little jealousy perhaps? So, standing outside one’s house and talking to fifty passers-by makes a survey which is both conclusive and – as a corollary – trumps all the other surveys adduced so far. Further, if you don’t agree, then you’re just jealous and probably foreign. In short, we’re to prefer extremely poor data to (marginally) better data, to consider the appeal to motives fallacy a valid form or argument, and to manifest a faintly unpleasant and dogmatic nationalism. (Disclaimer: I put faith in neither any of the surveys adduced nor necessarily believe that most Americans believe JFK conspiracy theories.)

13th February 2008, 03:25 AM	#26
chillzero Domestic Godless Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Top of the world, ma! Posts: 15,229	Originally Posted by Hyperviolet I've been looking into JFK CTs quite a bit lately. It's fascinating just how intricate some believe the plot to me. One common claim, in particular, strikes me as pretty silly, yet, it's constantly used. "Back and to the Left." Suggesting that JFK was shot from the front (grassy knoll), causing his head to go backwards and to the left. Now, I've seen many things refuting this (Penn and Teller explaining the jet effect, et cetera), however, surely the most obvious is this: There isn't a bullet wound on his face. As the (shot from the front) Back And To The Left theory implies. Am I missing something? It just seems a little too obvious.... umm... maybe you could use an undisputed and confirmed image, if you want it to be used as any kind of evidence? http://www.forteantimes.com/stranged...sy_photos.html Quote: The collection of autopsy pictures at www.jfklancer.com/aphotos.html shows JFK both with and without the forehead wound. Given that neither autopsy nor doctors reported it, the forehead wound pictures must be the fakes; and thus, so is the Zapruder fi lm, which shows the forehead wound occurring. But are the non-forehead wound pictures genuine? We can’t be sure. The technicians who photographed the autopsy say they are faked.

13th February 2008, 05:37 AM	#27
Hyperviolet Damnum Fatale Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Glaschu Posts: 988	Originally Posted by chillzero umm... maybe you could use an undisputed and confirmed image, if you want it to be used as any kind of evidence? http://www.forteantimes.com/stranged...sy_photos.html Incredible woo.
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13th February 2008, 05:54 AM	#28
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,434	Oh man, Fort Times. There's a blast from the past.
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13th February 2008, 07:10 AM	#29
sackett Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 3,613	56 out of 100 proves your all sheeplez Originally Posted by CurtC As I read these words, I had just taken a sip of beer (Red Hook ESB) and was in the process of swallowing it. And the JREFfers will call that just a great big coincidence! I shot JFK.
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