Disgusting... Filthy... I suspect foul play.

[FSM]

There is not sufficient proof yet, so the skeptic in me (who hides inside me like a body thetan. He wears leiderhausen and is named Skippy. It's strange...) rebels against believing anything at this point until further information comes to light...

BUT, I have to talk about this, see if anyone has any input. Maybe also to vent. So bear with me, please.

I've followed Co$ Critics for quite some time... along with being Hawkone's groupie, I'm also a silent but adoring fan of the people who have the courage and the strength to stand up against the Co$ with all its stupid lawyers and all its terrible fair gaming... People like Paulette Cooper, Tory Christman, Arnie Lerma... they've been people that I've looked up to over the past 6 years that I've been watching the Co$ in action from a safe internetz distance.

One critic who came on the scene around 2004 or 2005 I believe, was named Shawn Lonsdale, or "proflex" -- his screenname on Operation Clambake. He lived in the cult hotbead of Clearwater, Florida and although he certainly had financial and personal problems, he took the time and the effort to create a local cable show where he would film himself picketing Co$.

He was, of course, dragged into court, gave a hilarious deposition, was fair gamed (they put huge posters up in businesses near where he filmed with his picture on them stating that he was a "Sexual Deviant" or some such nonsense...) appeared on the John Sweeney BBC special and

and

he also got several death threats from scientologists.


According to Operation Clambake postings by Arnie Lerma, Shawn Lonsdale was found dead in his home today. Sketchy information so far seems to indicate that there was a hose leading from the exhaust pipe of his car to his bedroom window.


I never met this guy, never knew him. And no one really knows anything yet about the actual cause of death...



But why do I feel so damned sad, outraged, and disgusted?

[fuelair]

So, again, one way or another, the CO$ are murderers.

[Rufo]

Nothing's foul play in fair game...

I'm disgusted as well. Especially because if this was a suicide (or is deemed to be) and he was a prominent opponent of the church, they might use it as an argument to further discredit him. Let us hope they are above that. If not out of respect for the man, then simply because it would make them look more vengeful and void of conscience than most could stomach.

[blobru]

Shawn was interviewed last year by the BBC program Panorama as part of its documentary on Co$; Shawn appears @ 6:10.

Of course the interview's interrupted after only a minute by Co$ attack dog Tommy Davis (actress Anne Archer's son), looking and sounding laughably like a Tom Cruise clone.

It's part two of the half hour documentary I've linked. You can find parts one and three in "related videos" on the same page (includes the notorious screaming incident between Davis and reporter John Sweeney).

Shawn comes across, here and in other posts, as very easy-going, unflappable, a bit 'crazy' perhaps, in a good way -- you'd have to be a bit crazy to take on a whole cult by yourself -- definitely my kinda people.

RIP.

[Wildy]

I'm still looking at the thread that you linked to but I would say that until we know what the autopsy (if there is one, don't know US law on the matter) tells us I would say that he most likely was driven to suicide.

If it was indeed CoS then they must have done something similar to Operation Freakout except more legal or better covered up.

If he died in the way mentioned then it is quite a hard way of staging a suicide. There are too many ways of determining foul play or not.

[BirdyBuddy]

Just saw this report:

http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/19/No...ientolog.shtml

[KateHL]

Does it seem like a far less effective suicide method to lead a hose through a bedroom window than a car window to anyone else? Not saying it can't be suicide, just that I've never heard of that.

Also, this is very sad.

[Wildy]

I thought that too (it's even mentioned in my blog). It does seem to be an overly complicated way of killing yourself.

[skeptifem]

why would the church wait so long to do this? a news article i read says he wasnt so into it anymore and let his website lapse. i dont suspect foul play unless some evidence for it surfaces.

[JWideman]

People who kill themselves with their car exhaust are usually IN their cars, aren't they?

[NoZed Avenger]

With modern cars, it is much more difficult to kill yourself this way than in times past.

Given the Co$ ownership of the police in their "home" town, I am not sure I trust any investigation, either.

[Kopji]

Quote:

The Church of Scientology and some its members fought back. They hired a private investigator to look into Lonsdale's background and found two misdemeanor convictions for lewd and lascivious conduct, both related to public sex with men, in 1999 and 2000.

They called Lonsdale's employer at a title company and his landlord and said that Lonsdale was a religious bigot, possibly dangerous.

In the fall of 2006, the church subpoenaed Lonsdale for a deposition, contending he was an agent of an anti-Scientology group that was legally barred from protesting in certain places downtown.

Yeah I'm sorta curious how you do that - get protesters barred. I'm pretty sure it can be done, there's a city in Arizona where its illegal to take pictures during religious parades on a public street. Makes me really want to go there.

The attack on the poor guy for the public sex with other men is sad. The CoS public stance on homosexuality sounds like this:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_scie.htm

The word I'm looking for to describe their 'between the lines' beliefs is "odious".

[Kopji]

For an entity that does not believe in mental illness, make no mistake that they are experts at the manipulation of human beings with mental illnesses.

[FSM]

Thanks guys, for all the input and the links.

The very difficult part of being a critic of Co$ is that the organization is so truly terrible and has done so many crazy things to hurt people, that it is hard to remain neutral or objective when something like this happens.

Even if Shawn committed suicide, it is certainly a sad statement that my first inclination- and it sounds like many of yours as well, is to blame a 'religion'... I think Lerma has said in the past that it isn't really paranoia if it's really happening to you.

As far as Lonsdale being off of the Co$ radar over time, I don't know what I think about that. I think if you go through all of proflex's postings on Clambake you can see that he suddenly stopped most of his postings after the lawyers got ahold of him. I think instead of getting sick of being a critic or getting bored with it, that rather he in someway might have been 'shuddered into silence' in the LRH manner. Co$ power and control grows and thrives in darkness, like a disgusting, filthy mold. If things got quiet, I suspect there was a closed door, lawyeresque, threatening reason for it. After the BBC special, he wasn't just an annoying SP critic, he was an annoying SP critic who TOMMY DAVIS had gotten a little taste of during the BBC special.

Supposition, surely. But unlike other conspiracy theories that I tend to dismiss outright, I tend to find that Co$ conspiracies usually end up being true in the end. So, I feel like screaming and crying when I think about Shawn and I reflect upon this:


From Wikipedia:

Quentin Hubbard

Geoffrey Quentin McCaully Hubbard
Born January 6, 1954(1954-01-06)
United States
Died November 12, 1976 (aged 22)
Las Vegas, Nevada, United States

Geoffrey Quentin McCaully Hubbard (6 January 1954 – 12 November 1976), was one of the sons of L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of the Church of Scientology. His father had groomed his son to take over the organization for him[1]. Quentin was discovered by police October 28, 1976, unconscious from an apparent suicide attempt, and died two weeks later without having regained consciousness.[2]

...

Life
Geoffrey Quentin McCaully Hubbard was born on January 6, 1954 the first son of L. Ron Hubbard and his third wife, Mary Sue Hubbard. Quentin wanted to be a pilot, but his father insisted he dedicate himself to the Church and rise through its hierarchy.[citation needed]

Sources within the Church of Scientology have asserted that he was a homosexual[2][1][3], and that this clearly caused him a great deal of personal torment due to the homophobia of the era. His father's creation of the Church of Scientology officially categorized homosexuals as "sexual pervert[s]" and "quite ill physically."[4] Another source close to him claims that his alleged homosexuality was an act. [5]


Death
Although many believe that Quentin suffered from severe depression, and that it was this ordeal that inevitably led to his first suicide attempt in 1974[2], there is substantial evidence to suggest that due to his refusal to obey his father, Quentin was subjected to severe and agonising torture. In 1976, he disappeared from his home in Clearwater, Florida and he was later found in a car in Las Vegas. It is believed that he committed suicide in his car through carbon monoxide poisoning.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Hubbard


And that was source. That was how the Best Friend of Mankind treated his own son. How do you think that Co$ members today were taught to deal with SPs, when every frickin' evil word that horrible man ever said is supposed to be worshipped?

The American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard is considered the sole source of Dianetics and Scientology. His work, recorded in 500,000 pages of writings, 6,500 reels of tape and 42 films, is carefully protected and guarded for posterity.[14]

It is believed in Scientology that Scientology will only work when it is applied in its pure form as Hubbard intended.[15] Any alteration to the application of these techniques is considered a high crime under Scientology law because it hinders Scientology's effectiveness.[16] Restating or interpreting the source text in your own words is frowned upon and strongly disadvised.[17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sciento..._and_practices

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by FSM

Thanks guys, for all the input and the links.

It is believed in Scientology that Scientology will only work when it is applied in its pure form as Hubbard intended.[15] Any alteration to the application of these techniques is considered a high crime under Scientology law because it hinders Scientology's effectiveness.[16] Restating or interpreting the source text in your own words is frowned upon and strongly disadvised.[17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sciento..._and_practices

One of our legal experts here, there are a number who did lovely work in the Georgie Corndog case, with relatively easy access to legal databases, might be able to tap into a data base of legal actions filed in Florida, and see if anything filed agianst Shawn comes to light.

Anyone up for it?

DR

[FSM]

I'm not so sure the police investigators are the problem. I think the M.O. tends rather to be to destroy and pollute the evidence so the police can't do anything about the case:

From: http://www.sptimes.com/2006/01/01/No..._balance.shtml

Before he came to Clearwater, Klein said he had read newspaper clippings about the Church of Scientology and knew it would be an issue he would have to face.

He opened an investigation into the church soon after he arrived and it continued for 18 years. By 1994, detectives amassed the largest case file in department history but did not develop a single charge.

Most troubling, Klein said, was the case of Lisa McPherson, who died in 1995 after a 17-day stay at the church's Fort Harrison Hotel.

No one was ever prosecuted in her death.

"I have no regrets, nor do I have any reservations about the cases that we investigated," Klein said. "The recurring theme, when we had legitimate evidence of a crime, was that ultimately the victim or victims would disappear or restitution was made and prosecutions did not happen."

Church spokesman Ben Shaw said relations between the church and the police department now are professional and cooperative. Shaw, however, disputed Klein's recollection of the past.

"The truth is that 20 years ago, a few rogue police intelligence people shopped their allegations to any prosecutors who they could think of," he said in a written statement. "No case was ever prosecuted because there was no evidence."

In 1997, thousands of Scientologists demonstrated against the police and the St. Petersburg Times, marching around both buildings. Many accused Klein's officers of not acting on their complaints.

"I continue to afford them, just as I did when I arrived here, the same degree of protection and security as anybody else," Klein said. "But that doesn't mean I have to like them."

Shaw said he was most interested in the future, rather than rehashing the past. He praised Klein's CHIP program.

"It's admirable that he has held the position he has for so long," he said.


All you need is the fair game ability to hurt just one or two main witnesses and you are golden:

In regards to Lisa McPherson from wikipedia:

Second coroner's report
After the review Wood changed the cause of death from "undetermined" to an "accident". Wood traced McPherson's pulmonary embolism to her psychosis and a minor auto accident as major factors.[1] This garnered controversy as described in Assistant State Attorney Douglas Crow's memo in which he recommends dropping the criminal case.[40]

They and the plaintiffs stated,

Even after changing her opinion, Dr. Wood states she is ambivalent as to whether Lisa's death is medical neglect or homicide. (Appendix "2", p35 of June 1, 2000 sworn interview to the state attorney)."[41][42]

and that Woods

initially changed [the death certificate] to read the death was an "accident" not caused by dehydration, Crow said. She then reconsidered, he said, deciding to re-insert dehydration as a cause of death and list the death as a homicide. The next morning, she changed her mind once again and finalized the changes.[43]

Crow's memo and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement alleged she had been under constant surveillance of private investigators and that "several factors may have impacted the quality of her judgment...citing Wood's vulnerability to litigation in the case and a suggestion by Scientology that it could reveal information extremely damaging to Wood's office and her career."[35] Wood also resigned that year due to prosecutors and defence attorneys attacking her credibility based on this report and the handling of the case.[44] [45][46][47][48][49][50]

[FSM]

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

One of our legal experts here, there are a number who did lovely work in the Georgie Corndog case, with relatively easy access to legal databases, might be able to tap into a data base of legal actions filed in Florida, and see if anything filed agianst Shawn comes to light.

Anyone up for it?

DR

I love you for suggesting it.

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by FSM

I love you for suggesting it.

When one is loved by divine pasta goodness, one is blessed indeed.

DR

[Mister Agenda]

If someone committed suicide in this fashion, I would expect to find materials used to seal the door and windows inside the room: clothing pressed against the bottom crack of the door for instance.

[FSM]

That's what I would expect as well if someone set it up to look like a suicide by drugging the victim, sealing up everything in the bedroom, closing the bedroom door and then pulling a shirt up to the crack on the inside of the door using tape attached to the shirt and slipped under the crack of the door-- then removing the tape after it is wedged in good and tight.

All of this complete conjecture.

Nobody would go to those kind of lengths to get to someone who critisized them...

[Wildy]

Originally Posted by Mister Agenda

If someone committed suicide in this fashion, I would expect to find materials used to seal the door and windows inside the room: clothing pressed against the bottom crack of the door for instance.

Well they haven't told us if that was what they found. Hopefully the findings of the toxicology report will be released to the public.

[FSM]

I just read your blog Wildy, and I think it's pretty wonderful.

[FSM]

Just in case youse guys are interested, here's a note from Andreas Heidal-Lund, the creator of Operation Clambake. He was never a Scientologist, but he is a skeptic, an atheist and a great man who fights the good fight because he believes in free speech and in fighting for those who need help. Notice how he posted a warning in this post on the Clambake forum to let everyone know if HE ends up a 'suicide' that we should all be immediately suspicious. What kind of RELIGION has critics who have to post "Notice of Unnatural Death Presumptions"... jeez.


To the memory of Shawn:

May March 15 picket be massive, peaceful, and scare the bejeebers out of the upper management of the Cult of Scientology!

I'll be there!

I'm not writing this to speculate, I truly wish and expect Shawns tragic death to have no malice cause. Suicide is so unbelievable tragic because we all know it probably was preceded by a terrible personal tragedy. We know what Shawn stood for and we, as fellow critics of CoS, must allow ourself to speculate how he would have wished we remembered him. I guess with happiness and that what he did actually made a difference. Just that it affects us here and now is important and we should act on that. Pick up the stick!!!

Of course I am concerned that the cult, when pressured enough, one day will suffer the "cornered rat syndrome". I'm only sure about two things: CoS in its extreme have few scruples and they will never stop surprising me. I'm reluctant to, but still think it would be an error not to also consider the worst. While society has evolved, we are still the same humans inhabiting it and we've seen some truly evil and unbelievable things being done by others for less obvious reasons. When we say CoS is the mafia of religion it is not a joke. How well do we really know and trust the reason and morality of the top management of this cult? Thinking back, how many dared to believe Paulette Cooper?

Of course I'd have to see some pretty conclusive evidence before I concluded CoS (meaning the top management running the cult) was involved in such a conspiracy. We should still allow ourselves to make some reasonable and hypothetical speculations, it can be a valuable exercise. We should also always come back to the hard facts. In this specific tragedy we must admit that we are only in the same frustrating situation as most acquaintances of suicide victims - we are dumbfounded and feel helpless. We can't understand what happened.

There is still another important perspective, and again I'm not speculating in this specific case, only making a general point, or raising a concern. Closer than a cult struggling for legitimacy turning cosa nostra on us is the threat of "loose canons". I stand by the claim that most Scientologists are good people like you and me with the best intentions. But like most groups they probably have (and maybe cults even attract) a few individuals who possibly would deserved 24/7 care. What such people, when the cult starts getting hysterical internally and pressure is high, could be capable of doing for "the greater good" is IMO a much bigger worry. I hope threats and risk never will stop me from speaking my mind, but enough has happened in the world to take this threat seriously.

We have, and all previous defence from this cult documents it, numerous examples of Scientologists doing illegal activity. And when they are caught the cult shuns then - as expected. But it does mean that even the cult admits (indirectly at least) that Scientology can lead some to horrible acts. And shouldn't we, even if the likelihood of it happening is minimal, still be aware of it and discuss it?

For the record: I'm a chronically happy and satisfied person and I am not, nor have I been, in any situation to even consider ending my life. I use no medication and have no economical or emotional problems that I find difficult to handle. I am very careful and I follow the laws (that includes speeding limits). I have absolutely no wish or plan to shut up or disappear. Should something ever happen to me, I will understand and expect that you ask all the questions you can think of. I would be disappointed if you did not.

Continued to the memory of Shawn: I believe you would have understood what I mean. I do believe there is a genuine sadness and feeling of loss after we learned you have left us. It is not an easy thing to comprehend. Let our continued resistance to this cult be proof of our respect for your memory - no matter why and how you died. You are missed just as much no matter the reason. I wish I had learned to know you better.

RIP Shawn.
_________________
Andreas - www.xenu.net
- Life is not a test.


And here's Tory Christman's note. She was a Scientologist for many many years and has seen many deaths at the hands of the 'church'...


My thoughts are *I* know ~~tons~~of dear friends who DID die at the hands of Scientology, or due to their policies and abuses. As I've said,
I know 7 young people who were Scientologists and took their own lives,
one of them a *very* dear friend of mine, who shot himself, ending in death. Another dumped out of the 15th story of MIT--Phillip Gayle, a brilliant young man, ON L. Ron Hubbard's Birthday. God these are tragedies that should NOT happen, and now Shawn.

So however Shawn died, he's dead and for me, I can't think of a better way than as Andreas just said, "pick up a stick". I think he means what the late Robert Vaughn Young used to tell me, and others:

"Tory, This is like a relay race: You run it as long as you can---
and then pass the baton on to someone else to continue".

If you're not up for it, or don't want to, no problem. If you are---I can't think of a better way to honor this man who without much of anything, stood in the eye of the tiger and filmed Scientology, in many different ways. He wanted people to know. At our last picket, we had 9,000 people Internationally picketing.
That is amazing, when you think about it. March 15 will only be bigger.
For Shawn, and for ALL who are here who are standing up helping expose ALL of the abuses of Scientology: THANK YOU!
May you fly high, Shawn, and be at peace. We *will* continue this----
and you, and your work, won't be forgotten.

Tory/Magoo~~


Even if this was a suicide, I think it's important to point out that Co$ bought Shawn's rental home from the owner and kicked him out last year. They also did a bunch of things that contributed to him losing his job. He was in a constant struggle to survive in the past year thanks to Co$.

So even if they didn't hook up that hose to that window......

it was just because they knew they wouldn't have to go to the trouble eventually.

[FSM]

March 15

LRH's Birthday

Google the date and see what's happened in the Co$ world on that day... Ellie Perkins was killed by her schizophrenic son who couldn't take his meds per church scripture... Phillip Gale, a 19 year old just out of C0$ killed himself... the Birthday is a very important deal.


March 15

Protests are planned. I'm not keen on some of the tactics that the infantile Anonymous has employed in the past, but I think they are largely right on track now with the following:

1. Protests should be done on 3/15 around local orgs and that THE PROTESTS SHOULD BE PEACEFUL, LAWFUL and NOT AIMED AT SPECIFIC MEMBERS of the church.

2. Protesting is NOT about religious bigotry or hatred. Believing in Xenu and BT's is no more or less silly than believing in other religions and everyone deserves the right to worship whatever they think makes sense to them. The protests are about Fair Game, Disconnection and the abuses of Co$, not about a belief system.

March 15. Hmmmmm.



Well..........

[Elizabeth I]

How can anybody put any faith in a man who said, "If you really want to get rich, start your own religion"?

Isn't he discredited from the start by his own words?

[HarryKeogh]

Originally Posted by fuelair

So, again, one way or another, the CO$ are murderers.

Suicide is murder now?

[FSM]

Suicide is murder? Hmm. Good question. Can it be murder using a hypothetical analysis of the Lonsdale facts as is? Probably not. But the facts aren't all in yet.

But hell, let's take a flight of fantasy, however and think on it, shall we? Here's a Lonsdale-esque hypothetical situation with some added Co$ habits and past history added for flavor...

I'm no expert on Florida Criminal Law, but let's see:

I think I'd start with this in Title XLVI of the Florida Statutes on Criminal Law:

782.04 Murder.--

(1)(a) The unlawful killing of a human being:

1. When perpetrated from a premeditated design to effect the death of the person killed or any human being;

And then I'd think about the mens rea to the crime and examine what level of intent would be needed to commit a murder in Florida. Looks like to me it requires a 'premediated design' which encompasses the idea of cool reflection prior to the act and the choice to follow through despite the considered consequences. (I didn't really do a thorough check of Florida case law which could be used to analyze various fact patterns surrounding other cases where premediation is required, rather, I used a general definition from the Model Penal Code...) The intent level seems to be a consideration in most states in addition to the premediated design element. I looked up (quickly) intent levels for Florida, but didn't see it, so usually if the intent level isn't spelled out as an element, assuming the highest level of criminal intent is usually a safe bet. The highest level of intent is specific intent, where the offender specifically and actively desired the exact criminal consequences of his actions.

Here in our hypothetical situation, lets presume it's four years from now and similar to Paulette Cooper's case in Operation Freakout, investigators uncover something like this which clearly states in memorandum style exactly the following plan which Paulette Cooper explains:

Other pages in the documents also brought back unhappy memories. There was a strange diary of what I did each day during the “frame-up” period, and how close I was to suicide. “Wouldn’t that be great for Scientology?” the person wrote. And then I realized the writer could only have been Jerry Levin. He had to have been a Scientologist, someone who infiltrated my life specifically to spy on me and help Scientology set me up.He and his friends, Paula Tyler and a woman calling herself Margie Shepherd (may be Linda Kramer from Boston, who married and is Linda Kobern), had been in and out of my old apartment back during that time period and had access to paper on which someone could have obtained my fingerprint and then typed the threats

Furthermore, I’ve always wondered why he wanted me to go up on that ledge with him, thirty-three stories above the ground. Did he plan to push me off? If he had, everyone would have simply assumed that—in my depressed state of mind—I had committed suicide. Operation Freakout indeed.

It might be a difficult (diffiCULT) call because the memo says, "Wouldn't it be great..." instead of "Let's make sure she ..." but if I was a juror I would likely find that statement proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the plan, the premediated design of the operation was to cause several consequences that would ruin Paulette Cooper, but that the best consequence actively desired and worked for would be her suicide.

I think that covers mens rea in our hypothetical. As to actus rea, which is the act itself:

First, can any suicide be technically a murder, even if you hold a gun on someone and tell him that he either shoots himself or you'll do it, or maybe in the scenario where you'll kill someone he loves if he doesn't shoot himself? Well, in Louisiana, I'm not sure it would be unless there is now a provision about assisted or forced suicides since the homicide statute there says that murder is the killing of ANOTHER... So an overly picky interpretation of ANOTHER would mean ANOTHER human being has to actually do the act itself. But in Florida, we don't have that problem. The statute states that it is the killing of any human being.

So on to actus rea. Did someone from our hypothetical church actually kill the victim? That would be a causation question. Again, I didn't do an in depth check of Florida caselaw on this issue (which might best be discussed if you look at the felony-murder caselaw) so I'll just rely upon the Model Penal Code's approach which sounds a little like the idea of proximate cause in civil law: the result can't be "too remote or accidental in its occurrence to have a just bearing on the actor's liability or the gravity of his offense." I think most jurors upon reading and hearing of an organized Freakout-type plan in our Lonsdale-hypothetical would not hesitate to find that a suicide in this case where the plan was to ruin someone utterly, would not be remote or accidental.

And as added fun, the law of principals dictates that everyone involved in the Lonsdale-hypothetical death would be equally culpable:

777.011 Principal in first degree.--Whoever commits any criminal offense against the state, whether felony or misdemeanor, or aids, abets, counsels, hires, or otherwise procures such offense to be committed, and such offense is committed or is attempted to be committed, is a principal in the first degree and may be charged, convicted, and punished as such, whether he or she is or is not actually or constructively present at the commission of such offense.

So, yep. Suicide is murder in the above hypothetical. Again, though, the facts are not clear yet to indicate if any of this is or could be true.

[zooterkin]

The latest edition of the BBC "From Our Own Correspondent" podcast has a piece by John Sweeney (of the infamous youtube video) remembering Shawn Lonsdale.

[blobru]

Originally Posted by zooterkin

The latest edition of the BBC "From Our Own Correspondent" podcast has a piece by John Sweeney (of the infamous youtube video) remembering Shawn Lonsdale.

Nice gesture by Sweeney.

Piece runs from 17:28 to 23:01.

[FSM]

Thanks for the link guys.

John Sweeney is a good person and a fine journalist.

What a fine and fitting eulogy. I teared up a little bit.



We'll miss you proflex.

[FSM]

Just for fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLs_iiWlD7c&NR=1
Anon's undercover footage of birthday party aboard the Freewinds.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_78hgi3Hoo
A call to peacefully protest on the Ides of March.


Those anon guys are knocking me out. Promoting an end to Co$ abuses, peace, the lawful exersize of the freedom of speech and maybe a little cakey lulzy? These youngsters...wow. Good job, anon. Way to grow up.



Shawn would never have wanted to miss this.

[FSM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDHXu1PjoRA

Speaking of Shawn, here's a wonderful tribute to him done by Sponge from OCMB. He took John Sweeny's piece and put images with it.

[Beerina]

Originally Posted by Wildy

I thought that too (it's even mentioned in my blog). It does seem to be an overly complicated way of killing yourself.

More comfortable, perhaps. The engineer in me would get worried the hose would melt off the tailpipe, prolly 'round about when I was brain damaged, but not quite dead yet.

[Beerina]

Originally Posted by FSM

That's what I would expect as well if someone set it up to look like a suicide by drugging the victim, sealing up everything in the bedroom, closing the bedroom door and then pulling a shirt up to the crack on the inside of the door using tape attached to the shirt and slipped under the crack of the door-- then removing the tape after it is wedged in good and tight.

All of this complete conjecture.

Nobody would go to those kind of lengths to get to someone who critisized them...

Nah, hanger wire. You can re-adjust on the fly, pull it in much tighter, in many more places, and so on, and not leave any incriminating chemicals on the shirt. I'd just make sure I pushed the bits I pulled back in a bit so they didn't stick out, and didn't have a "dent" from where the wire pulled.

[FSM]

Originally Posted by Beerina

Nah, hanger wire. You can re-adjust on the fly, pull it in much tighter, in many more places, and so on, and not leave any incriminating chemicals on the shirt. I'd just make sure I pushed the bits I pulled back in a bit so they didn't stick out, and didn't have a "dent" from where the wire pulled.

Yeah, that's better. And probably materials right there, handy in his bedroom. No real murdery looking weapon to dispose of, just a dopey looking coathanger that you could've used trying to open someone's old car when they locked the keys inside.

s'perfect.

sigh.

Since we're just living in a hypothetical world where the Co$ actually still participates in fair game, which we all know they do not since LRH ended it years ago, but let's wonder hypothetically how to get a guy in his bedroom, get a note written and then do the hanger trick...

[FSM]

The body of Shawn Lonsdale, 39, was found in his home at 510 N. Lincoln Ave. about 12:30 p.m. Saturday, said Elizabeth Daly-Watts, Clearwater public safety spokeswoman.

"I can tell you there are no signs of foul play,'' she said. "It does appear to be a suicide.''

Ack!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.r...829e14f423bdea

Hmm. I am rethinking what I said earlier in this thread about Clearwater PD...


Elizabeth Daly-Watts' Scientology Record:

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com...beth-daly.html



Damn.

[blobru]

Originally Posted by FSM

... Hmm. I am rethinking what I said earlier in this thread about Clearwater PD...

Elizabeth Daly-Watts' Scientology Record:

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com...beth-daly.html

Damn.

And her husband's a Co$ auditor with two decades loyal service to the fraud.


I think I'm going to be sick.

[FSM]

It's times like this that I think I really need to go check into the CT Forum for awhile and make sure that I don't sound like them.

Jesus.

No wonder Nicole Kidman wanted to make Invasion so very passionately:
http://blog.vanvoice.com/2007/08/20/...-the-invasion/

It's like everywhere...everywhere! There are pod people!

Don't go to sleep, blobru. Whatever you do.

[FSM]

An update from ARS:

Mary McConnell, on ARS, wrote:


I finally pushed myself out of the funk I was in about Shawn and
decided to get us some information and would help fill in some of the
big gap. I had already collected some data about his family but was
not finding a way to directly reach his brother by phone. He moved
from every address I had but was in the general area. The police were
of no help either. So I finally took a chance and called the coroner.
Bingo. Here is an update:

Shawn's brother and grandmother were found and notified fairly soon
after he was found. They were in contact wth the coroner's office and
made arrangements with a funeral home for arrangements. The body was
released on Febuary 19th, 3 days after he died.

The coroner is awaiting toxicology and related reports which can take
up to 8 weeks. Once those are in, the autopsy report will be
completed. One can obtain copiesof the repost for free by email or by
sending a request with a SASE.

The Clearwater Police Dept officer in charge of Shawn's case is Det.
Monte (727) 562-4242. The coroner report will go from the coroner to
the sargent in charge at the coroner's office to Det. Monte as soon as
it's complete. Det Monte will then be the one who will have the facts
about the case.

3 local reporters have pending requests with the CPD for the release
of the letter Shawn supposidly left. I presume the information will be
released after the autopsy but I am not sure if tye family has a say
in keeping it private. I can tell you that there is a possibility that
Shawn may have been depressed enough to do this, although I will
reserve further comment until the autopsy report is released.

I know who Shawn's grandmother is and where she lives now but I don't
have the heart to call her just yet. She's in her late 80's, active
and this really may be too much for her. I will write her at her
current address and also write Shawn's brother at his last known
address, letting them know about March 15th events that will include
tribute to Shawn for all the effort and good work he did in exposing
the truth about the cult of scientology. John Sweeney asked me to
forward his condolences to the family, too. I suspect they have no
idea what a crowd of friends and admirers Shawn has but I will be sure
to tell them.

Mary McConnell

[Wildy]

Originally Posted by FSM

It's times like this that I think I really need to go check into the CT Forum for awhile and make sure that I don't sound like them.

Well you don't really sound like a debunker, and you definitely don't sound like a "truther".