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rwguinn · 29th February 2008, 11:28 AM

Suggest a fact check--
Ft Worth is a Joint Reserve Base. Navy and Air Force
Air Force has, indeed, Majors.
While the rest of the stuff was pure BS, it is best that a skeptic NOT dismiss testimony (which is not evidence, anyway) based on a false premise by the skeptic...

Miss Whiplash · 29th February 2008, 04:34 PM

Randi's remark was, "Majors in the U.S. Navy, eh?" The Navy does not have majors, they have Lt. Commanders. That's one gold oak leaf.

Still, it's very easy to dismiss anything associated with Noony or Linda Moldy Cow by reflex.

rwguinn · 29th February 2008, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Miss Whiplash

Randi's remark was, "Majors in the U.S. Navy, eh?" The Navy does not have majors, they have Lt. Commanders. That's one gold oak leaf.

Still, it's very easy to dismiss anything associated with Noony or Linda Moldy Cow by reflex.

That whoosh was my comment going right over your head.
JRB has both Navy and Air Force under 1 command.
There are numerous Majors there--the Air Force flys F-16's.
The Navy flys F/A-18's and other aircraft. All out of the same base. In Fort Worth.
If you ask about F-16's flights, you will be directed to the Air Force side of things.
It is entirely possible, even highly probable, that she did indeed talk to a Major.

Miss Whiplash · 29th February 2008, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by rwguinn

That whoosh was my comment going right over your head.
JRB has both Navy and Air Force under 1 command.
There are numerous Majors there--the Air Force flys F-16's.
The Navy flys F/A-18's and other aircraft. All out of the same base. In Fort Worth.
If you ask about F-16's flights, you will be directed to the Air Force side of things.
It is entirely possible, even highly probable, that she did indeed talk to a Major.

I understand that. However, according to the commentary, Moldy Cow said in her interview a Navy major. Assuming she meant Air Force is just that, an assumption. That was the only point I was making. It's really not up to the skeptic to give her points on what we assume she meant. Whoosh!

Carry on...

zenotter · 29th February 2008, 09:26 PM

Wow. I was hoping for a thread on Space Ghost Coast to Coast.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...y/ft-worth.htm has the history, if you're interested.

Miss Whiplash · 29th February 2008, 10:00 PM

Of course, the Naval officer she spoke with, Major so and so, is part of some new black ops involved a spate of cow abductions.

I just thought you should know.

BTW: Thanks for the history. I worked for the military many years. Base consolidation can really trip up the UFO crowd.

zenotter · 29th February 2008, 10:26 PM

No prob. My dad was a TSGT so I grew up as an Air Force brat (and was born on an AFB, actually!

), and a previous boss of mine had to go to Carswell for various this-and-thats after moving here from out of state. It was almost traumatic for him to be in a civilian job after 25+ years in the military but he managed just fine.

UnrepentantSinner · 1st March 2008, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by zenotter

(and was born on an AFB, actually!

Me too. Chanute, which was one of the first to be BARC'd.

I actually listen to C2C four times a night and heard Linda's reporting and nothing in it had a "gotcha error", though, the fact that she's claiming that a football stadium sized aircraft was seen by only one person tells me the entire story won't stand or fall based on minute details.

As far as I know, the planes could only have come out of JRB FW because the other bases in this area are for training (Sheppard in Wichita Falls) and bombers (Dyess in Abiline).

Miss Whiplash · 1st March 2008, 03:11 PM

I was an Air Force baby, myself. I still have an A-2 bomber jacket I love to wear.

After re-reading all this in the light of day and fully awake, I wanted to verify exactly who said what on the show. I contacted Linda Moulton Howe's webiste Earthfiles and got a response from Ms. Howe herself. Ms. Howe was discussing an interview with reporter Angela Joiner, formerly of the Stephenville Empire-Tribune. The exchange she was discussing on C2C is here.
No mention of a naval officer at all as in the Commentary and 301st Fighter Wing is clearly Air Force. Certainly no "gotcha!" moment.

rwguinn · 1st March 2008, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Miss Whiplash

I understand that. However, according to the commentary, Moldy Cow said in her interview a Navy major. Assuming she meant Air Force is just that, an assumption. That was the only point I was making. It's really not up to the skeptic to give her points on what we assume she meant. Whoosh!

Carry on...

I misread--my apologies
Actually, the commentary said "she called a U.S. Navy Reserve air station in Fort Worth, I believe, and spoke with a Navy officer – Major so-and-so"--from which, I infer, Mr. Long was not certain of the exact wording of Ms. Howe's statement.
Now, everybody in Ft Worth (who don't remember Carswell AFB) believes that the JRB is a "Naval Base"--in fact it is often referred to as such on the local news. I work there (on the other side of the runway), and it is often referred to as such.
The fact still remains that the disdain in the submission by Mr. Long was misplaced in this particular. For someone who is unfamiliar with the various ranks, assuming an officer at the Navy Base is a Naval officer is a forgivable error--if indeed she stated it exactly as Mr. long remembered). When you call a military base and speak to an officer, you pretty much accept his rank as that which he gives you.
The other errors Ms. Howe made in the Coast to Coast program, however, are not so easily forgiven...

slickcat · 1st March 2008, 05:25 PM

I think Howe is out there, but her mistake about the rank might not have been a mistake after all. Since this is Navy base, isn't it possible she spoke to a Marine Corps major?

rwguinn · 1st March 2008, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by slickcat

I think Howe is out there, but her mistake about the rank might not have been a mistake after all. Since this is Navy base, isn't it possible she spoke to a Marine Corps major?

It is possible...But I am unaware of any Marines out there...
There are a LOT of Air Force out there, however. The Navy Squadron was recently decommissioned...

Miss Whiplash · 1st March 2008, 06:04 PM

This whole thing has piqued my curiosity. According to the Earthfiles site, some of this wondrous UFO footage has been bought for exclusive use by the UFO Files program. Ka-ching!

UnrepentantSinner · 1st March 2008, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by slickcat

I think Howe is out there, but her mistake about the rank might not have been a mistake after all. Since this is Navy base, isn't it possible she spoke to a Marine Corps major?

Originally Posted by rwguinn

It is possible...But I am unaware of any Marines out there...
There are a LOT of Air Force out there, however. The Navy Squadron was recently decommissioned...

A guy I used to work with was a Marine N.C.O. at N.A.S. Dallas so I was inclined based on that to think the Marine aviation units would have moved to JRB, and a quick check of the Wikipedia entry shows two air squadrons and an HQ Co. of an artillery regiment, so it's possible that her contact could have been a Marine Major.

I'm still inclined to think it would have been an Air Force Major though because of their larger presence.

UnrepentantSinner · 2nd March 2008, 12:01 AM

tangent

Arrgh! One of the hacks from Expelled is on C2C right now spreading his propaganda.

zenotter · 2nd March 2008, 08:31 PM

I was born on Mather. My brother-in-law was born on Travis. We're total brats.

I know a guy in Wichita Falls who has worked with Sheppard on emergency preparedness exercises. Fun stuff. Don't think any UFOs were involved though, otherwise he would've sent me the pics.

UnrepentantSinner · 2nd March 2008, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by zenotter

I know a guy in Wichita Falls who has worked with Sheppard on emergency preparedness exercises. Fun stuff. Don't think any UFOs were involved though, otherwise he would've sent me the pics.

This sort of thing is what drives me crazy about UFO sightings. Last night on C2C, after the Expelled douche was on they had open phones and some guy from Canada called to say that they'd been having a lot of sightings in his area and - astoundingly - he'd seen one too

. I've worked nights the last 11 years and go outside as part of my job or to smoke quite frequently and in all those years I've seen one thing I couldn't identify until I posted a thread on this forum (it was an Iridium satellite flare).

If these visitations/sightings occur so often, why the hell haven't I ever seen one???

edge · 3rd March 2008, 11:53 AM

We seen some thing go vertically up ward one night and we thought it was strange; “ a ball of light shoots straight up at an incredible speed".

The next night on the news there was a cow mutilation on the news.
It happened in the area of the abduction, we believed to have seen the drop off and then the escape of the abductors.
This happened in the Paradise area and we witnessed this from Chico Ca. At about 11:00 at night.

arthwollipot · 3rd March 2008, 07:46 PM

And of course anything that you can't explain automatically becomes extraterrestrials.

UnrepentantSinner · 3rd March 2008, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by edge

We seen some thing go vertically up ward one night and we thought it was strange; “ a ball of light shoots straight up at an incredible speed".

The next night on the news there was a cow mutilation on the news.
It happened in the area of the abduction, we believed to have seen the drop off and then the escape of the abductors.
This happened in the Paradise area and we witnessed this from Chico Ca. At about 11:00 at night.

Why have I been going outside and looking for UFOs for 25 years, been working the night shift for 12 years, going outside to smoke and constantly looking up and for a number of those years been outside as part of my job description and never once seen anything I couldn't later identify?

Why does it only seem to be believers and "folks" who see these things and not skeptics like me who desperatly want to see ET spacecraft doing a flyby?

If these spacecraft/sightings/encounters are so pervasive... especially at night, why have I never, ever seen anything?

arthwollipot · 3rd March 2008, 10:13 PM

Do you know the profession which is demographically least likely to see and report having seen a UFO?

Astronomers.

Why do you think that might be?

UnrepentantSinner · 4th March 2008, 07:30 AM

Shocking!

I hate to discount any UFO reporter based on their occupation (given my own), but I still cannot help but ask why don't people who would have some discernment like astronomers, military or practicing skeptics see any of the weird stuff that believers claim to have seen. About the only sightings I give any credence to are airline and military pilots who claim to have had encounters, and even then I still suspect it was merely something so outside their previous experiences they didn't know how to react.

In Cosmos, Carl Sagan recounts how he wished to be transported to Mars ala John Carter. I too have watched the skys for many years hoping to see a UFO... and yet I never have. Do any UFOlogists have an explanation as to why I, who wants to see one, has never seen anything I couldn't later identify while "regular folks" and believers seem to see them or get abducted all the time?

JCM · 4th March 2008, 09:55 PM

When is James Randi going to be on Coast to Coast AM to educate their listeners? Michael Shermer has been on a number of times and I don't see why Mr Randi won't go on one of their Skepti-Casts in which the Skeptic guest is put in the Skepti-Cage with another guest like say Silvia Browne and only one makes it out. Michael has come out fine so why not be on the show?

UnrepentantSinner · 4th March 2008, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by JCM

When is James Randi going to be on Coast to Coast AM to educate their listeners? Michael Shermer has been on a number of times and I don't see why Mr Randi won't go on one of their Skepti-Casts in which the Skeptic guest is put in the Skepti-Cage with another guest like say Silvia Browne and only one makes it out. Michael has come out fine so why not be on the show?

I think the biggest issue is time. The show starts at 1am East coast time which is past Randi's bedtime. Shermer and Phil Plait have the advantage of living in PT and MT zones so they don't have to stay up so late.

SezMe · 4th March 2008, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner

Why have I been going outside and looking for UFOs for 25 years, been working the night shift for 12 years, going outside to smoke and constantly looking up and for a number of those years been outside as part of my job description and never once seen anything I couldn't later identify?

I think it's pretty obvious. Your skeptic-fu drives the invaders away. You bastage, you.

SezMe · 4th March 2008, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by edge

We seen some thing go vertically up ward one night and we thought it was strange; “ a ball of light shoots straight up at an incredible speed".

The next night on the news there was a cow mutilation on the news.
It happened in the area of the abduction, we believed to have seen the drop off and then the escape of the abductors.
This happened in the Paradise area and we witnessed this from Chico Ca. At about 11:00 at night.

edge, this account completely ruins your credibility regarding the event. Paradise is about 10 miles from Chico. So how do you determine that you witnessed an alien abduction from 10 miles away at night and know the general location. AT BEST, all you can say is that what you saw was generally in the direction of Paradise from Chico and you can say absolutely nothing more. NOTHING.

rwguinn · 5th March 2008, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by SezMe

edge, this account completely ruins your credibility regarding the event. Paradise is about 10 miles from Chico. So how do you determine that you witnessed an alien abduction from 10 miles away at night and know the general location. AT BEST, all you can say is that what you saw was generally in the direction of Paradise from Chico and you can say absolutely nothing more. NOTHING.

And, in an amazing demonstration of Distance Viewing, they knew immediately that "a ball of light shoots straight up at an incredible speed" meant that an abduction by aliens had occurred!
The news on the news merely confirmed this, of course...

zenotter · 5th March 2008, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner

If these spacecraft/sightings/encounters are so pervasive... especially at night, why have I never, ever seen anything?

Maybe the ones who travel your way have reallllly good cloaking devices? I'd have to think that, given the bright lights of the metroplex. Or maybe there's one right now looking over your shoulder but your skeptic-fu is too strong to let it materialize?

UnrepentantSinner · 5th March 2008, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

I think it's pretty obvious. Your skeptic-fu drives the invaders away. You bastage, you.

Originally Posted by zenotter

Maybe the ones who travel your way have reallllly good cloaking devices? I'd have to think that, given the bright lights of the metroplex. Or maybe there's one right now looking over your shoulder but your skeptic-fu is too strong to let it materialize?

Skeptic-fu smeptic-fu! I want my sighting!

29th February 2008, 11:28 AM	#1
rwguinn Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 16 miles from 7 lakes Posts: 8,426	Coast-to-coast Suggest a fact check-- Ft Worth is a Joint Reserve Base. Navy and Air Force Air Force has, indeed, Majors. While the rest of the stuff was pure BS, it is best that a skeptic NOT dismiss testimony (which is not evidence, anyway) based on a false premise by the skeptic...
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29th February 2008, 04:34 PM	#2
Miss Whiplash Nettlesome Harpy Join Date: May 2006 Location: 53 Miles West of Venus Posts: 1,583	Randi's remark was, "Majors in the U.S. Navy, eh?" The Navy does not have majors, they have Lt. Commanders. That's one gold oak leaf. Still, it's very easy to dismiss anything associated with Noony or Linda Moldy Cow by reflex.
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29th February 2008, 06:07 PM	#3
rwguinn Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 16 miles from 7 lakes Posts: 8,426	Originally Posted by Miss Whiplash Randi's remark was, "Majors in the U.S. Navy, eh?" The Navy does not have majors, they have Lt. Commanders. That's one gold oak leaf. Still, it's very easy to dismiss anything associated with Noony or Linda Moldy Cow by reflex. That whoosh was my comment going right over your head. JRB has both Navy and Air Force under 1 command. There are numerous Majors there--the Air Force flys F-16's. The Navy flys F/A-18's and other aircraft. All out of the same base. In Fort Worth. If you ask about F-16's flights, you will be directed to the Air Force side of things. It is entirely possible, even highly probable, that she did indeed talk to a Major.
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29th February 2008, 08:43 PM	#4
Miss Whiplash Nettlesome Harpy Join Date: May 2006 Location: 53 Miles West of Venus Posts: 1,583	Originally Posted by rwguinn That whoosh was my comment going right over your head. JRB has both Navy and Air Force under 1 command. There are numerous Majors there--the Air Force flys F-16's. The Navy flys F/A-18's and other aircraft. All out of the same base. In Fort Worth. If you ask about F-16's flights, you will be directed to the Air Force side of things. It is entirely possible, even highly probable, that she did indeed talk to a Major. I understand that. However, according to the commentary, Moldy Cow said in her interview a Navy major. Assuming she meant Air Force is just that, an assumption. That was the only point I was making. It's really not up to the skeptic to give her points on what we assume she meant. Whoosh! Carry on...
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29th February 2008, 09:26 PM	#5
zenotter Garlic Shampoo Wholesaler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Otter Town, USA Posts: 1,810	Wow. I was hoping for a thread on Space Ghost Coast to Coast. http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...y/ft-worth.htm has the history, if you're interested.
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29th February 2008, 10:00 PM	#6
Miss Whiplash Nettlesome Harpy Join Date: May 2006 Location: 53 Miles West of Venus Posts: 1,583	Of course, the Naval officer she spoke with, Major so and so, is part of some new black ops involved a spate of cow abductions. I just thought you should know. BTW: Thanks for the history. I worked for the military many years. Base consolidation can really trip up the UFO crowd.
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29th February 2008, 10:26 PM	#7
zenotter Garlic Shampoo Wholesaler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Otter Town, USA Posts: 1,810	No prob. My dad was a TSGT so I grew up as an Air Force brat (and was born on an AFB, actually! ), and a previous boss of mine had to go to Carswell for various this-and-thats after moving here from out of state. It was almost traumatic for him to be in a civilian job after 25+ years in the military but he managed just fine.
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1st March 2008, 03:31 AM	#8
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,353	Originally Posted by zenotter (and was born on an AFB, actually! Me too. Chanute, which was one of the first to be BARC'd. I actually listen to C2C four times a night and heard Linda's reporting and nothing in it had a "gotcha error", though, the fact that she's claiming that a football stadium sized aircraft was seen by only one person tells me the entire story won't stand or fall based on minute details. As far as I know, the planes could only have come out of JRB FW because the other bases in this area are for training (Sheppard in Wichita Falls) and bombers (Dyess in Abiline).
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1st March 2008, 03:11 PM	#9
Miss Whiplash Nettlesome Harpy Join Date: May 2006 Location: 53 Miles West of Venus Posts: 1,583	I was an Air Force baby, myself. I still have an A-2 bomber jacket I love to wear. After re-reading all this in the light of day and fully awake, I wanted to verify exactly who said what on the show. I contacted Linda Moulton Howe's webiste Earthfiles and got a response from Ms. Howe herself. Ms. Howe was discussing an interview with reporter Angela Joiner, formerly of the Stephenville Empire-Tribune. The exchange she was discussing on C2C is here. No mention of a naval officer at all as in the Commentary and 301st Fighter Wing is clearly Air Force. Certainly no "gotcha!" moment.
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1st March 2008, 05:20 PM	#10
rwguinn Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 16 miles from 7 lakes Posts: 8,426	Originally Posted by Miss Whiplash I understand that. However, according to the commentary, Moldy Cow said in her interview a Navy major. Assuming she meant Air Force is just that, an assumption. That was the only point I was making. It's really not up to the skeptic to give her points on what we assume she meant. Whoosh! Carry on... I misread--my apologies Actually, the commentary said "she called a U.S. Navy Reserve air station in Fort Worth, I believe, and spoke with a Navy officer – Major so-and-so"--from which, I infer, Mr. Long was not certain of the exact wording of Ms. Howe's statement. Now, everybody in Ft Worth (who don't remember Carswell AFB) believes that the JRB is a "Naval Base"--in fact it is often referred to as such on the local news. I work there (on the other side of the runway), and it is often referred to as such. The fact still remains that the disdain in the submission by Mr. Long was misplaced in this particular. For someone who is unfamiliar with the various ranks, assuming an officer at the Navy Base is a Naval officer is a forgivable error--if indeed she stated it exactly as Mr. long remembered). When you call a military base and speak to an officer, you pretty much accept his rank as that which he gives you. The other errors Ms. Howe made in the Coast to Coast program, however, are not so easily forgiven...
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1st March 2008, 05:25 PM	#11
slickcat Scholar Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 65	I think Howe is out there, but her mistake about the rank might not have been a mistake after all. Since this is Navy base, isn't it possible she spoke to a Marine Corps major?
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1st March 2008, 05:31 PM	#12
rwguinn Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 16 miles from 7 lakes Posts: 8,426	Originally Posted by slickcat I think Howe is out there, but her mistake about the rank might not have been a mistake after all. Since this is Navy base, isn't it possible she spoke to a Marine Corps major? It is possible...But I am unaware of any Marines out there... There are a LOT of Air Force out there, however. The Navy Squadron was recently decommissioned...
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1st March 2008, 06:04 PM	#13
Miss Whiplash Nettlesome Harpy Join Date: May 2006 Location: 53 Miles West of Venus Posts: 1,583	This whole thing has piqued my curiosity. According to the Earthfiles site, some of this wondrous UFO footage has been bought for exclusive use by the UFO Files program. Ka-ching!
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1st March 2008, 10:37 PM	#14
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,353	Originally Posted by slickcat I think Howe is out there, but her mistake about the rank might not have been a mistake after all. Since this is Navy base, isn't it possible she spoke to a Marine Corps major? Originally Posted by rwguinn It is possible...But I am unaware of any Marines out there... There are a LOT of Air Force out there, however. The Navy Squadron was recently decommissioned... A guy I used to work with was a Marine N.C.O. at N.A.S. Dallas so I was inclined based on that to think the Marine aviation units would have moved to JRB, and a quick check of the Wikipedia entry shows two air squadrons and an HQ Co. of an artillery regiment, so it's possible that her contact could have been a Marine Major. I'm still inclined to think it would have been an Air Force Major though because of their larger presence.
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2nd March 2008, 12:01 AM	#15
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,353	tangent Arrgh! One of the hacks from Expelled is on C2C right now spreading his propaganda.
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2nd March 2008, 08:31 PM	#16
zenotter Garlic Shampoo Wholesaler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Otter Town, USA Posts: 1,810	I was born on Mather. My brother-in-law was born on Travis. We're total brats. I know a guy in Wichita Falls who has worked with Sheppard on emergency preparedness exercises. Fun stuff. Don't think any UFOs were involved though, otherwise he would've sent me the pics.
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2nd March 2008, 09:29 PM	#17
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,353	Originally Posted by zenotter I know a guy in Wichita Falls who has worked with Sheppard on emergency preparedness exercises. Fun stuff. Don't think any UFOs were involved though, otherwise he would've sent me the pics. This sort of thing is what drives me crazy about UFO sightings. Last night on C2C, after the Expelled douche was on they had open phones and some guy from Canada called to say that they'd been having a lot of sightings in his area and - astoundingly - he'd seen one too . I've worked nights the last 11 years and go outside as part of my job or to smoke quite frequently and in all those years I've seen one thing I couldn't identify until I posted a thread on this forum (it was an Iridium satellite flare). If these visitations/sightings occur so often, why the hell haven't I ever seen one???
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3rd March 2008, 09:48 PM	#20
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,353	Originally Posted by edge We seen some thing go vertically up ward one night and we thought it was strange; “ a ball of light shoots straight up at an incredible speed". The next night on the news there was a cow mutilation on the news. It happened in the area of the abduction, we believed to have seen the drop off and then the escape of the abductors. This happened in the Paradise area and we witnessed this from Chico Ca. At about 11:00 at night. Why have I been going outside and looking for UFOs for 25 years, been working the night shift for 12 years, going outside to smoke and constantly looking up and for a number of those years been outside as part of my job description and never once seen anything I couldn't later identify? Why does it only seem to be believers and "folks" who see these things and not skeptics like me who desperatly want to see ET spacecraft doing a flyby? If these spacecraft/sightings/encounters are so pervasive... especially at night, why have I never, ever seen anything?
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3rd March 2008, 10:13 PM	#21
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: The other side of your screen Posts: 42,987	Do you know the profession which is demographically least likely to see and report having seen a UFO? Astronomers. Why do you think that might be?
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4th March 2008, 07:30 AM	#22
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,353	Shocking! I hate to discount any UFO reporter based on their occupation (given my own), but I still cannot help but ask why don't people who would have some discernment like astronomers, military or practicing skeptics see any of the weird stuff that believers claim to have seen. About the only sightings I give any credence to are airline and military pilots who claim to have had encounters, and even then I still suspect it was merely something so outside their previous experiences they didn't know how to react. In Cosmos, Carl Sagan recounts how he wished to be transported to Mars ala John Carter. I too have watched the skys for many years hoping to see a UFO... and yet I never have. Do any UFOlogists have an explanation as to why I, who wants to see one, has never seen anything I couldn't later identify while "regular folks" and believers seem to see them or get abducted all the time?
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4th March 2008, 09:55 PM	#23
JCM Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 468	When is James Randi going to be on Coast to Coast AM to educate their listeners? Michael Shermer has been on a number of times and I don't see why Mr Randi won't go on one of their Skepti-Casts in which the Skeptic guest is put in the Skepti-Cage with another guest like say Silvia Browne and only one makes it out. Michael has come out fine so why not be on the show?
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4th March 2008, 09:59 PM	#24
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,353	Originally Posted by JCM When is James Randi going to be on Coast to Coast AM to educate their listeners? Michael Shermer has been on a number of times and I don't see why Mr Randi won't go on one of their Skepti-Casts in which the Skeptic guest is put in the Skepti-Cage with another guest like say Silvia Browne and only one makes it out. Michael has come out fine so why not be on the show? I think the biggest issue is time. The show starts at 1am East coast time which is past Randi's bedtime. Shermer and Phil Plait have the advantage of living in PT and MT zones so they don't have to stay up so late.
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4th March 2008, 10:08 PM	#25
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,369	Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner Why have I been going outside and looking for UFOs for 25 years, been working the night shift for 12 years, going outside to smoke and constantly looking up and for a number of those years been outside as part of my job description and never once seen anything I couldn't later identify? I think it's pretty obvious. Your skeptic-fu drives the invaders away. You bastage, you.

4th March 2008, 10:15 PM	#26
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,369	Originally Posted by edge We seen some thing go vertically up ward one night and we thought it was strange; “ a ball of light shoots straight up at an incredible speed". The next night on the news there was a cow mutilation on the news. It happened in the area of the abduction, we believed to have seen the drop off and then the escape of the abductors. This happened in the Paradise area and we witnessed this from Chico Ca. At about 11:00 at night. edge, this account completely ruins your credibility regarding the event. Paradise is about 10 miles from Chico. So how do you determine that you witnessed an alien abduction from 10 miles away at night and know the general location. AT BEST, all you can say is that what you saw was generally in the direction of Paradise from Chico and you can say absolutely nothing more. NOTHING.

5th March 2008, 09:45 AM	#27
rwguinn Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 16 miles from 7 lakes Posts: 8,426	Originally Posted by SezMe edge, this account completely ruins your credibility regarding the event. Paradise is about 10 miles from Chico. So how do you determine that you witnessed an alien abduction from 10 miles away at night and know the general location. AT BEST, all you can say is that what you saw was generally in the direction of Paradise from Chico and you can say absolutely nothing more. NOTHING. And, in an amazing demonstration of Distance Viewing, they knew immediately that "a ball of light shoots straight up at an incredible speed" meant that an abduction by aliens had occurred! The news on the news merely confirmed this, of course...
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5th March 2008, 08:33 PM	#28
zenotter Garlic Shampoo Wholesaler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Otter Town, USA Posts: 1,810	Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner If these spacecraft/sightings/encounters are so pervasive... especially at night, why have I never, ever seen anything? Maybe the ones who travel your way have reallllly good cloaking devices? I'd have to think that, given the bright lights of the metroplex. Or maybe there's one right now looking over your shoulder but your skeptic-fu is too strong to let it materialize?
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5th March 2008, 10:09 PM	#29
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,353	Originally Posted by SezMe I think it's pretty obvious. Your skeptic-fu drives the invaders away. You bastage, you. Originally Posted by zenotter Maybe the ones who travel your way have reallllly good cloaking devices? I'd have to think that, given the bright lights of the metroplex. Or maybe there's one right now looking over your shoulder but your skeptic-fu is too strong to let it materialize? Skeptic-fu smeptic-fu! I want my sighting!
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