Some thoughts about the Mohammed Cartoons - Page 7

Sunni Man · 13th March 2008, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

I'm curious to know if you think that it is currently acceptable for a man to have sex with a 12 year old bride, or do you think that this particular aspect of Muslim history is no longer relevant to the modern world?

By modern world do you mean the Western world?

CFLarsen · 13th March 2008, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Not really sure what you are asking?

It's very simple.

You say that Allah choses who are his.

That means that Allah also choses who are not his.

That means that it is Allah's decision who is a Muslim and who is not.

So, if the decision is Allah's, why do you care what non-Muslims say about god?

Shouldn't you leave that up to Allah?

Do you speak on Allah's behalf?

Foster Zygote · 13th March 2008, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

By modern world do you mean the Western world?

No. By "modern" I mean the 21st century world.

Sunni Man · 13th March 2008, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

It's very simple.

You say that Allah choses who are his.

That means that Allah also choses who are not his.

That means that it is Allah's decision who is a Muslim and who is not.

So, if the decision is Allah's, why do you care what non-Muslims say about god?

Shouldn't you leave that up to Allah?

Do you speak on Allah's behalf?

No I don't speak on Allah's behalf.

But I do know what the Quran says, and I believe in it's revelations.

Have I given the impression that I am here to defend Allah?

Allah doesn't need me to defend him.

AkuManiMani · 13th March 2008, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

No I don't speak on Allah's behalf.

On whose behalf do you speak, then?

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

But I do know what the Quran says, and I believe in it's revelations.

You mean the same Quran that was written by a man claiming to speak on Allah's behalf?

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Have I given the impression that I am here to defend Allah?

Apparently.

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Allah doesn't need me to defend him.

Then stop.

CFLarsen · 13th March 2008, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

But I do know what the Quran says, and I believe in it's revelations.

So, this isn't about what Allah thinks, but what you think.

You are merely abusing a religious text to justify your own prejudices.

Sunni Man · 13th March 2008, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

So, this isn't about what Allah thinks, but what you think.

You are merely abusing a religious text to justify your own prejudices.

This is my position and I will leave it at that:

I believe in the Qur'an as the revealed word of Allah. Period.

I try to live my life according to the Qur'an and the teachings of Muhammad.

CFLarsen · 13th March 2008, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

This is my position and I will leave it at that:

I believe in the Qur'an as the revealed word of Allah. Period.

I try to live my life according to the Qur'an and the teachings of Muhammad.

And you think that gives you the right to "take action" against those who satirize Muhammed and tell non-Muslims what to do.

Would you consider yourself a religious fanatic?

Sunni Man · 13th March 2008, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Would you consider yourself a religious fanatic?

No

CFLarsen · 13th March 2008, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

No

Why not?

You are intolerant to those who don't share your beliefs. You want to control what they can say.

Sunni Man · 13th March 2008, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

You are intolerant to those who don't share your beliefs. You want to control what they can say.

That sounds more like your attitude towards me!

CFLarsen · 13th March 2008, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

That sounds more like your attitude towards me!

Do you deny that you want to control what those who don't share your beliefs say?

Just yes or no, please.

Sunni Man · 13th March 2008, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

Do you deny that you want to control what those who don't share your beliefs say?

Control what they say about what?

CFLarsen · 13th March 2008, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Control what they say about what?

Your god.

Does it make a difference what it is?

Sunni Man · 13th March 2008, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

Does it make a difference what it is?

Of course it does.

CFLarsen · 13th March 2008, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Of course it does.

Why?

Foster Zygote · 13th March 2008, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

This is my position and I will leave it at that:

I believe in the Qur'an as the revealed word of Allah. Period.

I try to live my life according to the Qur'an and the teachings of Muhammad.

I'm curious to know if you think that it is currently acceptable for a man to have sex with a 12 year old bride, or do you think that this particular aspect of Muslim history is no longer relevant in the 21st century? A simple yes or on answer will suffice.

Macoy · 13th March 2008, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

This is my position and I will leave it at that:

I believe in the Qur'an as the revealed word of Allah. Period.

I try to live my life according to the Qur'an and the teachings of Muhammad.

Out of curiosity, where exactly does it say in the 'Qur'an' that homosexuals should be hanged from cranes?

mrbaracuda · 14th March 2008, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by Macoy

Out of curiosity, where exactly does it say in the 'Qur'an' that homosexuals should be hanged from cranes?

May I point you to this post? Now, watch him say Iran is not Islamic. Why? Because they use cranes instead of their bare hands.

Sunni Man · 14th March 2008, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by mrbaracuda

May I point you to this post? Now, watch him say Iran is not Islamic. Why? Because they use cranes instead of their bare hands.

Why do you think I would say Iran is unIslamic?

Their form of capital punishment is not Islamic.

But so what, it still get's the job done, and that's all that counts.

Jigsaw_Psyche · 14th March 2008, 04:49 AM

Quran 5:33: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

mrbaracuda · 14th March 2008, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Why do you think I would say Iran is unIslamic?

Their form of capital punishment is not Islamic.

But so what, it still get's the job done, and that's all that counts.

Let me rephrase: Now, watch him say Iran's methods are not Islamic. Why? Because they use cranes instead of their bare hands.

NeilC · 14th March 2008, 07:26 AM

I was listening to a BBC podcast this morning called Beyond Belief where they discussed the cartoons.

The muslim guy from MCGB was saying that islam should not get any more respect than other religions but that all of them ought to get more. This would amount to more censorship and taking blasphemy laws back somewhat as far as I can tell.

One person was suggesting that free speech and free expression were the major issue and that they were absolute - people must accept they can be offended. They can complain and protest but they should not be able to stop it and certainly not via threats of violence as sections of the islamic community did. I tend to agree with this point of view.

However, as was pointed out by the muslim, we don't have free speech or expression with regards to various racial expressions or paedophilia etc. These laws (and I must admit I'm not certain as to exactly what is allowed) would appear to be rooted in the offence received. Th

Macoy · 14th March 2008, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Why do you think I would say Iran is unIslamic?

Their form of capital punishment is not Islamic.

But so what, it still get's the job done, and that's all that counts.

In the UK we have an expression - "barking mad".

Polaris · 14th March 2008, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

It was a comparison.

In Islam the teachings of the Prophet is everything. His words and actions guide all that we do 24/7/365.

We use his teachings in personal conduct, family life, marriage, personal finances, child raising, business dealings, etc.

Ah yeah, Mohammad the Marriage Counselor...

And getting a "revelation" from Allah telling you that He wants you to bang your new hot daughter in law - also the perfect example of parenthood on earth.

Sunni Man · 14th March 2008, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Macoy

In the UK we have an expression - "barking mad".

So people say that to you alot Macoy?

CFLarsen · 14th March 2008, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

So people say that to you alot Macoy?

Why does it make a difference what people who don't share your faith say about your god?

Sunni Man · 14th March 2008, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Jigsaw_Psyche

Quran 5:33: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

Curious, what internet source did you get this verse from?

Foster Zygote · 14th March 2008, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Curious, what internet source did you get this verse from?

Is this sura not in the Koran?

And, one last time, I'm curious to know if you think that it is currently acceptable for a man to have sex with a 12 year old bride, or do you think that this particular aspect of Muslim history is no longer relevant in the 21st century?

Sunni Man · 14th March 2008, 03:58 PM

Misconception number 1: Muhammad was a pedophile:

Edited by chillzero:

Edited to remove someone else's words. Taken from: http://politics50.com/middle-east-co...rtoonists.html

The simple fact is that we have more historical evidence that suggests that Aisha was much older than 9, than we do which suggests that she was that young. It is possible that she was younger, but unlikely, this is mainly believed by Muslims who take Bukhari and Muslim as literal canon, when studied from a secular point of view though the evidence against such a notion is quite large.

CFLarsen · 14th March 2008, 04:06 PM

Edited by chillzero:

Rule 4 breach in quoted post removed

Stolen from here.

Consider yourself reported, matey.

Sunni Man · 14th March 2008, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Is this sura not in the Koran?

Yes it is a verse (ayat) from the Qur'an. But I wonder which translation this came from?

Foster Zygote · 14th March 2008, 04:07 PM

Edited by chillzero:

Rule 4 breach in quoted post removed

Source?

CFLarsen · 14th March 2008, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Source?

Beat'ya.

Sunni Man · 14th March 2008, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

Stolen from here.

Consider yourself reported, matey.

I never claimed to be the author matey.

Foster Zygote · 14th March 2008, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Yes it is a verse (ayat) from the Qur'an. But I wonder which translation this came from?

Before you wondered what website it came from. It is from the M. H. Shakir translation

Here are three English translations:

Quote:

YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

PICKTHAL: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;

SHAKIR: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

Foster Zygote · 14th March 2008, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

I never claimed to be the author matey.

It is proper to provide a cite or a link to source when posting other people's material. A first offense, made in ignorance of the protocol, deserves nothing more than an explanation of proper procedure.

CFLarsen · 14th March 2008, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

I never claimed to be the author matey.

Don't give me that crap. When you don't give any indication whatsoever that you didn't write it yourself, you claim ownership.

Otherwise, which parts of any of your posts have you written yourself? Do we have to check each and every post of yours?

Answer the questions put to you, in your own words. Or quote properly.

Unless you think your god allows you to be a fraud.

Sunni Man · 14th March 2008, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Before you wondered what website it came from. It is from the M. H. Shakir translation

Here are three English translations:

YUSUFALI uses the word "execution" which is the correct translation.

Pickthal says "killed", while Shakir uses "murder".

So it was obvious to me why an anti-Islamic person like Jigsaw would pick the translation that used a negative term like murder.

Sunni Man · 14th March 2008, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

Don't give me that crap.

Anger problems CFL?

Have you considered converting to The Religion of Peace?

I think it would help you!

13th March 2008, 04:55 AM	#241
Sunni Man Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 863	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote I'm curious to know if you think that it is currently acceptable for a man to have sex with a 12 year old bride, or do you think that this particular aspect of Muslim history is no longer relevant to the modern world? By modern world do you mean the Western world?
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13th March 2008, 04:58 AM	#242
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,805	Originally Posted by Sunni Man Not really sure what you are asking? It's very simple. You say that Allah choses who are his. That means that Allah also choses who are not his. That means that it is Allah's decision who is a Muslim and who is not. So, if the decision is Allah's, why do you care what non-Muslims say about god? Shouldn't you leave that up to Allah? Do you speak on Allah's behalf?
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Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Utility Muffin Research Kitchen Posts: 7,838	Originally Posted by Sunni Man By modern world do you mean the Western world? No. By "modern" I mean the 21st century world.
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13th March 2008, 10:30 AM	#244
Sunni Man Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 863	Originally Posted by CFLarsen It's very simple. You say that Allah choses who are his. That means that Allah also choses who are not his. That means that it is Allah's decision who is a Muslim and who is not. So, if the decision is Allah's, why do you care what non-Muslims say about god? Shouldn't you leave that up to Allah? Do you speak on Allah's behalf? No I don't speak on Allah's behalf. But I do know what the Quran says, and I believe in it's revelations. Have I given the impression that I am here to defend Allah? Allah doesn't need me to defend him.
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13th March 2008, 11:51 AM	#245
AkuManiMani Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: On the crumbly edge of Is and Maybe Posts: 2,329	Originally Posted by Sunni Man No I don't speak on Allah's behalf. On whose behalf do you speak, then? Originally Posted by Sunni Man But I do know what the Quran says, and I believe in it's revelations. You mean the same Quran that was written by a man claiming to speak on Allah's behalf? Originally Posted by Sunni Man Have I given the impression that I am here to defend Allah? Apparently. Originally Posted by Sunni Man Allah doesn't need me to defend him. Then stop.
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13th March 2008, 12:29 PM	#246
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,805	Originally Posted by Sunni Man But I do know what the Quran says, and I believe in it's revelations. So, this isn't about what Allah thinks, but what you think. You are merely abusing a religious text to justify your own prejudices.
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Sunni Man Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 863	Originally Posted by CFLarsen So, this isn't about what Allah thinks, but what you think. You are merely abusing a religious text to justify your own prejudices. This is my position and I will leave it at that: I believe in the Qur'an as the revealed word of Allah. Period. I try to live my life according to the Qur'an and the teachings of Muhammad.
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CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,805	Originally Posted by Sunni Man This is my position and I will leave it at that: I believe in the Qur'an as the revealed word of Allah. Period. I try to live my life according to the Qur'an and the teachings of Muhammad. And you think that gives you the right to "take action" against those who satirize Muhammed and tell non-Muslims what to do. Would you consider yourself a religious fanatic?
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13th March 2008, 04:09 PM	#249
Sunni Man Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 863	Quote: Would you consider yourself a religious fanatic? No
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CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,805	Originally Posted by Sunni Man No Why not? You are intolerant to those who don't share your beliefs. You want to control what they can say.
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Sunni Man Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 863	Originally Posted by CFLarsen You are intolerant to those who don't share your beliefs. You want to control what they can say. That sounds more like your attitude towards me!
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CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,805	Originally Posted by Sunni Man That sounds more like your attitude towards me! Do you deny that you want to control what those who don't share your beliefs say? Just yes or no, please.
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13th March 2008, 04:54 PM	#253
Sunni Man Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 863	Originally Posted by CFLarsen Do you deny that you want to control what those who don't share your beliefs say? Control what they say about what?
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CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,805	Originally Posted by Sunni Man Control what they say about what? Your god. Does it make a difference what it is?
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13th March 2008, 04:58 PM	#255
Sunni Man Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 863	Originally Posted by CFLarsen Does it make a difference what it is? Of course it does.
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CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,805	Originally Posted by Sunni Man Of course it does. Why?
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Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Utility Muffin Research Kitchen Posts: 7,838	Originally Posted by Sunni Man This is my position and I will leave it at that: I believe in the Qur'an as the revealed word of Allah. Period. I try to live my life according to the Qur'an and the teachings of Muhammad. I'm curious to know if you think that it is currently acceptable for a man to have sex with a 12 year old bride, or do you think that this particular aspect of Muslim history is no longer relevant in the 21st century? A simple yes or on answer will suffice.
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Macoy Writing on water Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,354	Originally Posted by Sunni Man This is my position and I will leave it at that: I believe in the Qur'an as the revealed word of Allah. Period. I try to live my life according to the Qur'an and the teachings of Muhammad. Out of curiosity, where exactly does it say in the 'Qur'an' that homosexuals should be hanged from cranes?
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mrbaracuda Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,799	Originally Posted by Macoy Out of curiosity, where exactly does it say in the 'Qur'an' that homosexuals should be hanged from cranes? May I point you to this post? Now, watch him say Iran is not Islamic. Why? Because they use cranes instead of their bare hands.
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Sunni Man Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 863	Originally Posted by mrbaracuda May I point you to this post? Now, watch him say Iran is not Islamic. Why? Because they use cranes instead of their bare hands. Why do you think I would say Iran is unIslamic? Their form of capital punishment is not Islamic. But so what, it still get's the job done, and that's all that counts.
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14th March 2008, 04:49 AM	#261
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14th March 2008, 05:21 AM	#262
mrbaracuda Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,799	Originally Posted by Sunni Man Why do you think I would say Iran is unIslamic? Their form of capital punishment is not Islamic. But so what, it still get's the job done, and that's all that counts. Let me rephrase: Now, watch him say Iran's methods are not Islamic. Why? Because they use cranes instead of their bare hands.

14th March 2008, 07:26 AM	#263
NeilC Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,085	I was listening to a BBC podcast this morning called Beyond Belief where they discussed the cartoons. The muslim guy from MCGB was saying that islam should not get any more respect than other religions but that all of them ought to get more. This would amount to more censorship and taking blasphemy laws back somewhat as far as I can tell. One person was suggesting that free speech and free expression were the major issue and that they were absolute - people must accept they can be offended. They can complain and protest but they should not be able to stop it and certainly not via threats of violence as sections of the islamic community did. I tend to agree with this point of view. However, as was pointed out by the muslim, we don't have free speech or expression with regards to various racial expressions or paedophilia etc. These laws (and I must admit I'm not certain as to exactly what is allowed) would appear to be rooted in the offence received. Th

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Macoy Writing on water Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,354	Originally Posted by Sunni Man Why do you think I would say Iran is unIslamic? Their form of capital punishment is not Islamic. But so what, it still get's the job done, and that's all that counts. In the UK we have an expression - "barking mad".
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14th March 2008, 02:22 PM	#265
Polaris Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,161	Originally Posted by Sunni Man It was a comparison. In Islam the teachings of the Prophet is everything. His words and actions guide all that we do 24/7/365. We use his teachings in personal conduct, family life, marriage, personal finances, child raising, business dealings, etc. Ah yeah, Mohammad the Marriage Counselor... And getting a "revelation" from Allah telling you that He wants you to bang your new hot daughter in law - also the perfect example of parenthood on earth.
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14th March 2008, 03:38 PM	#266
Sunni Man Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 863	Originally Posted by Macoy In the UK we have an expression - "barking mad". So people say that to you alot Macoy?
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14th March 2008, 03:42 PM	#267
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,805	Originally Posted by Sunni Man So people say that to you alot Macoy? Why does it make a difference what people who don't share your faith say about your god?
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14th March 2008, 03:44 PM	#268
Sunni Man Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 863	Originally Posted by Jigsaw_Psyche Quran 5:33: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, Curious, what internet source did you get this verse from?
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14th March 2008, 03:55 PM	#269
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Utility Muffin Research Kitchen Posts: 7,838	Originally Posted by Sunni Man Curious, what internet source did you get this verse from? Is this sura not in the Koran? And, one last time, I'm curious to know if you think that it is currently acceptable for a man to have sex with a 12 year old bride, or do you think that this particular aspect of Muslim history is no longer relevant in the 21st century?
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14th March 2008, 04:07 PM	#272
Sunni Man Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 863	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote Is this sura not in the Koran? Yes it is a verse (ayat) from the Qur'an. But I wonder which translation this came from?
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14th March 2008, 04:08 PM	#274
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,805	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote Source? Beat'ya.
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14th March 2008, 04:10 PM	#275
Sunni Man Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 863	Originally Posted by CFLarsen Stolen from here. Consider yourself reported, matey. I never claimed to be the author matey.
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14th March 2008, 04:16 PM	#276
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Utility Muffin Research Kitchen Posts: 7,838	Originally Posted by Sunni Man Yes it is a verse (ayat) from the Qur'an. But I wonder which translation this came from? Before you wondered what website it came from. It is from the M. H. Shakir translation Here are three English translations: Quote: YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; PICKTHAL: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; SHAKIR: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
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14th March 2008, 04:19 PM	#277
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Utility Muffin Research Kitchen Posts: 7,838	Originally Posted by Sunni Man I never claimed to be the author matey. It is proper to provide a cite or a link to source when posting other people's material. A first offense, made in ignorance of the protocol, deserves nothing more than an explanation of proper procedure.
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14th March 2008, 04:39 PM	#278
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,805	Originally Posted by Sunni Man I never claimed to be the author matey. Don't give me that crap. When you don't give any indication whatsoever that you didn't write it yourself, you claim ownership. Otherwise, which parts of any of your posts have you written yourself? Do we have to check each and every post of yours? Answer the questions put to you, in your own words. Or quote properly. Unless you think your god allows you to be a fraud.
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