Author Apologizes For Faked Holocaust Book

[WildCat]

Quote:

BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) -- A Belgian writer has admitted that she made up her best-selling "memoir" depicting how, as a Jewish child, she lived with a pack of wolves in the woods during the Holocaust, her lawyers said Friday.

...Misha Defonseca's book, "Misha: A Memoire of the Holocaust Years," was translated into 18 languages and made into a feature film in France.
Her two Brussels-based lawyers, siblings Nathalie and Marc Uyttendaele, said the author acknowledged her story was not autobiographical and that she did not trek 1,900 miles as a child across Europe with a pack of wolves in search of her deported parents during World War II.

Source.

All I am wondering was how gullible are people to believe such a ridiculous story in the first place? I've never heard of this book before today, has anyone here read it?

[Kaylee]

Originally Posted by WildCat

Source.

All I am wondering was how gullible are people to believe such a ridiculous story in the first place? I've never heard of this book before today, has anyone here read it?

I never read the book or even heard of it. My guess is that the publisher wasn't too picky, and she just thought the book would sell well.

From the source you provided:

Quote:

She [edit: the publisher] said she could not fully research Defonseca's story before it was published because the woman claimed she did not know her parents' names, her birthday or where she was born.

How lame an excuse is that? The publisher could have asked the author to explain what her circumstances were right after the war and who helped her get reintegrated back into society. She could have made an attempt to verify her story or at least part of her story that way. Even for those times that would have been a unique situation and records would still have existed. And presumably since she is 71 now (also per the source), she was a child then, and would have needed a great deal of help.

And I have another question -- should people who intentionally fabricate false history be charged with a crime? I think its been argued that it should be covered under freedom of speech. Personally I think it should be considered a crime. Society is harmed when people intentionally lie about what occurred in the past. Its invaluable to be able to know what really occurred. ETA: Obviously, this thread is reminding me of others who have written books, produced forged documents, etc. in an attempt to prove that the holocaust never occurred. It can be argued that this woman's lie was not on as grand a scale, and that she may also have been mentally ill (per my read of the article citied in the OP), and so perhaps in her case, if intentionally fabricating false history was a crime, the sentencing would be light because of those two factors.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally Posted by WildCat

All I am wondering was how gullible are people to believe such a ridiculous story in the first place? I've never heard of this book before today, has anyone here read it?

I think you can pretty much assume that any story about people being raised by wolves is a hoax. I can't imagine how one would fall for that.

[WildCat]

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

I think you can pretty much assume that any story about people being raised by wolves is a hoax. I can't imagine how one would fall for that.

That's what I thought was so bizarre about it. And this wolf pack travelled with her for 1900 miles throughout Europe? Was the publishers BS meter out being fixed when this was accepted for publication? And someone in France made a movie about this?

[Sunni Man]

Her story fits in with the rest of the holocaust fairy tale.

[Pardalis]

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Her story fits in with the rest of the holocaust fairy tale.

Here we go...

One crazy woman lied so the millions of other real testimonies are also fake?

[Pardalis]

I like her pathetic attempt at an excuse:

"I ask forgiveness to all who felt betrayed. I beg you to put yourself in my place, of a 4-year-old girl who was very lost,"

Yeah, but it wasn't a four year old girl who wrote the book was it? What an idiot.

[LibraryLady]

This is not an isolated case. There was a case here in Baltimore where a woman was giving lengthy lectures about her experiences in the Holocaust, but it transpired she made it all up. Sometimes it's attention seeking, sometimes pathological. It does not lend any credence to Holocaust denial, anymore than made up stories told by soldiers lend credence to a non-existant World War II.

I'm sorry, Sunni Man, you've lost all credibility with me by your comment.

[brodski]

Originally Posted by WildCat

That's what I thought was so bizarre about it. And this wolf pack travelled with her for 1900 miles throughout Europe? Was the publishers BS meter out being fixed when this was accepted for publication? And someone in France made a movie about this?

You're assuming that publishers and producers cared about truth rather than just seeing euro signs in front of their eyes.

the other factor is attitude like the one below.

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Her story fits in with the rest of the holocaust fairy tale.

It becomes difficult to question the exaggerations and downright leis made by a few people regarding the Holocaust (human soap etc) as the neo-Nazis and their fellow travellers jump on any criticism of any story about the Holocaust as "evidence" that the overwhelming evidence of a systematic genocide of millions of people is also unreliable.

[Sunni Man]

Originally Posted by LibraryLady

I'm sorry, Sunni Man, you've lost all credibility with me by your comment.

I have never understood why belief in the holocaust is like some sort of a litmus test for credibility.

If a person has doubts concerning the holocaust as advertized. Then anything they say on any issue is suspect and discredited.

Simply amazing!

[LibraryLady]

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

I have never understood why belief in the holocaust is like some sort of a litmus test for credibility.

If a person has doubts concerning the holocaust as advertized. Then anything they say on any issue is suspect and discredited.

Simply amazing!

It's because of the overwhelming evidence. Eyewitness testimony of the victims, the perpetrators and the liberators, photographs, film, records kept by the Nazis themselves, diaries, etc. If you are not capable of believing in something that has overwhelming evidence of its existence, then you are not a person whose opinion I value; you lose credibility.

Does that answer your question?

[Zep]

Ask Rob Lancaster about these sorts of frauds. It's how he got started in the "Stop" business: www.stopkaz.com

[kerikiwi]

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Her story fits in with the rest of the holocaust fairy tale.

The murder of Jews, Romany, Jehovah's Witnesses, Homosexuals?
All a fairy tale?
Rather her story fits in with your own delusions.

[LibraryLady]

Originally Posted by LibraryLady

It's because of the overwhelming evidence. Eyewitness testimony of the victims, the perpetrators and the liberators, photographs, film, records kept by the Nazis themselves, diaries, etc. If you are not capable of believing in something that has overwhelming evidence of its existence, then you are not a person whose opinion I value; you lose credibility.

Does that answer your question?

I guess it answered his question.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Originally Posted by LibraryLady

It's because of the overwhelming evidence. Eyewitness testimony of the victims, the perpetrators and the liberators, photographs, film, records kept by the Nazis themselves, diaries, etc. If you are not capable of believing in something that has overwhelming evidence of its existence, then you are not a person whose opinion I value; you lose credibility.

Does that answer your question?

Interesting. I think the math shows that the Germans murdered 4 million Jews not the 6 million advertised.

Does this place me out of your credibility box?

[mijopaalmc]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Interesting. I think the math shows that the Germans murdered 4 million Jews not the 6 million advertised.

Does this place me out of your credibility box?

Do you consider your calculations to be authoritative?

Have actually examined the primary sources?

[fuelair]

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Her story fits in with the rest of the holocaust fairy tale.

Before I merely thought of you as a pointless religious or trolling time waster. Now think beneath slime mold on the ground under dinosaur dung at the base of the evolution tree.

On the bright side, when I said "no honor" you have proved me correct.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Originally Posted by mijopaalmc

Do you consider your calculations to be authoritative?

Have actually examined the primary sources?

yep

yep

[LibraryLady]

I did not mention numbers. As far as I have read--and I have read a lot--the total was 12 million with a mixture of Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Disabled, and others. Does it matter exactly how many were Jews?

ETA: Advertised? Strange use of the word.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Originally Posted by LibraryLady

I did not mention numbers. As far as I have read--and I have read a lot--the total was 12 million with a mixture of Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Disabled, and others. Does it matter exactly how many were Jews?

To some it does matter. That is why I asked the question. If one comes off the 6 million number the charges of anti-semitism follow immediately.

[mijopaalmc]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

To some it does matter. That is why I asked the question. If one comes off the 6 million number the charges of anti-semitism follow immediately.

Evidence?

[LibraryLady]

So...you think 4 million is an acceptable number of Jews to be killed?

[Sunni Man]

Originally Posted by LibraryLady

ETA: Advertised? Strange use of the word.

A word used in sales.

The Holocaust Industry is a huge money making enterprise that feeds woo to gulible people to keep the hoax alive and money pouring in.

[MG1962]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Interesting. I think the math shows that the Germans murdered 4 million Jews not the 6 million advertised.

Does this place me out of your credibility box?

The figures show between 4 and 8 million deaths, with a figure of around 5.7 million considered to have the strongest case

[mijopaalmc]

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

A word used in sales.

The Holocaust Industry is a huge money making enterprise that feeds woo to gulible people to keep the hoax alive and money pouring in.

Why is it so important to that the Holocaust be a hoax?

[Quinn]

My favorite line from the article:

Quote:

"This story is mine. It is not actually reality, but my reality,[...]"

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Sunni Man]

Originally Posted by mijopaalmc

Why is it so important to that the Holocaust be a hoax?

The Zionists of Israel use the "hoax" holocaust as an excuse for many of their brutal acts against the Palestinian people.

The irony is that a "real" holocaust against semitic people has been going on in Israel for over 60 years.

[mijopaalmc]

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

The Zionists of Israel use the "hoax" holocaust as an excuse for many of their brutal acts against the Palestinian people.

The irony is that a "real" holocaust against semitic people has been going on in Israel for over 60 years.

Why can't the Holocaust be true and Israel be abusing the memory of those who died in it?

Why must the Holocaust be a "hoax" in order to legitimate the suffering of the Palestinians?

[Sunni Man]

Originally Posted by mijopaalmc

Why can't the Holocaust be true and Israel be abusing the memory of those who died in it?

Why must the Holocaust be a "hoax" in order to legitimate the suffering of the Palestinians?

Good points mijopaalmc

Look I believe that there were many people killed by the Nazis.

But I also believe that the numbers have been inflated for political reasons.

And that the Zionists of the world have turned the holocaust into a cash cow.

[geni]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME

Interesting. I think the math shows that the Germans murdered 4 million Jews not the 6 million advertised.

Does this place me out of your credibility box?

4 million is too low. The six million comes from Adolf Eichmann's estimate and given his position it is not unreasonable to think that he had reasonable idea of the number killed. Maths on censuses figures suggest that that figure is pretty close. Other older estimates have come out between 5 and 6 million

[geni]

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

The Zionists of Israel use the "hoax" holocaust as an excuse for many of their brutal acts against the Palestinian people.

The irony is that a "real" holocaust against semitic people has been going on in Israel for over 60 years.

Over 60 years? so before 1948? Back then the area was the british mandate of palistine. Are you accuseing the british empire of carrying out genocide in that area?

[qayak]

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Good points mijopaalmc

Look I believe that there were many people killed by the Nazis.

But I also believe that the numbers have been inflated for political reasons.

And that the Zionists of the world have turned the holocaust into a cash cow.

The downfall of your idiocy is the records kept by the Nazis. It isn't Zionists inflation that gives us the numbers, it is the Nazi records and simple arithmetic.

There is a convergence of evidence that is overwhelmingly against what you have been told, and come to believe, by your denier buddies.

[Sunni Man]

Originally Posted by geni

Over 60 years? so before 1948? Back then the area was the british mandate of palistine. Are you accuseing the british empire of carrying out genocide in that area?

O.K. it was 59 years ago. Satisfied?

[mijopaalmc]

Sunni Man-

Let me get this straight you think that Hitler and the Nazis killed (you haven't said whether it was systematically or not) millions of civilians in territory under their military control, but you think that the "Zionists" (whoever they may be, if they exist at all in the capacity which you ascribe to them) have "inflated" the number of dead Jews in order to excuse the atrocities you perceive are committed against the Palestinians in modern Israel.

Just how many dead Jews are an outrage to you?

[fuelair]

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

The Zionists of Israel use the "hoax" holocaust as an excuse for many of their brutal acts against the Palestinian people.

The irony is that a "real" holocaust against semitic people has been going on in Israel for over 60 years.

As long as the Palestinian people keep hiding murdering terrorist slime among them , nothing is illegitimate in that. Israel needs no "help" with a "hoax" to go after terrorists and their accomplices (civilians who hide them/allow them to hide). You are clearly an apologist for terrorists and , within the best limits of my knowledge either incompetant or lying - though both is a possibility.

[Sunni Man]

Originally Posted by mijopaalmc

Sunni Man-



Just how many dead Jews are an outrage to you?

Zero

[mijopaalmc]

Originally Posted by Sunni Man

Zero

What exactly does that mean?

That no Jews were killed and the dead Jew figure was completely fabricated?

That not killing Jews is an outrage?

[LibraryLady]

Sorry. I refuse to die just to please you.

[mijopaalmc]

Originally Posted by LibraryLady

Sorry. I refuse to die just to please you.

I hope that wasn't directed at me. I understand that my incessant questioning may be interpreted as my stating an opinion without really stating an opinion, especially since the question I am asking are leading. However, they should not be construed as and are not intended to be construed as supporting Holocaust denial.

[LibraryLady]

It was directed at Sunni Man.