Sending in Fake Ghost Images: Risks?

DiskoVilante · 2nd March 2008, 05:24 PM

I friend of mine (seriously, a friend of mine, not me) wants to send in fake/photoshopped images of orbs and other "ghost" phenomenon to that Ghost Hunter show and the reveal that they were fakes.

Now, what are the risks involved with doing this?
I'm pretty sure she can be sued for doing this, but what would the charges be?
And is it even worth it?

I think it's a great idea...kinda remeniscent of the Sokal Affair.

tkingdoll · 2nd March 2008, 05:28 PM

The risk is that the photos get publicised and mooted as evidence, but the confession never does.

It's happened before, sadly.

Gravy · 2nd March 2008, 05:32 PM

They probably get thousands of submissions and are careful about what they choose to "investigate." Your friend isn't going to be sued for sending photos, and may receive no attention at all. I haven't seen the show, but I'd be surprised if they simply air viewer-submitted photos and declare them spooky without "investigating" them. For investigations they do air, it would be interesting to know if they ask claimants to sign a legal document stating that they aren't knowingly participating in a hoax.

doctoratlantis · 2nd March 2008, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by DiskoVilante

I friend of mine (seriously, a friend of mine, not me) wants to send in fake/photoshopped images of orbs and other "ghost" phenomenon to that Ghost Hunter show and the reveal that they were fakes.

Now, what are the risks involved with doing this?
I'm pretty sure she can be sued for doing this, but what would the charges be?
And is it even worth it?

I think it's a great idea...kinda remeniscent of the Sokal Affair.

Pointless. But if s/he wants to see them published, Coast-to-Coast's always looking for something to share with the world. I've seen so many camera straps and dust motes and lens flares... <yawn>

devnull · 2nd March 2008, 06:32 PM

BTW, Disco Volante was a great album...... gotta lurve Mr Bungle

bethanythemartian · 2nd March 2008, 06:44 PM

Even if you get them to show it, and people believe it, the confession won't become well known. Flash in the pan. And years later, you will see that photo used as evidence to prove existence of the paranormal.

And yes, satire is dead. Sadly.

Whiplash · 2nd March 2008, 06:50 PM

Sued? You think they would sue someone for this? Sued for what??

BTW seconded on Disco Volante. I love Squeeze Me Maccaroni and Carousel. Great songs.

EDIT: Gah, got that albumn confused with the original, self titled Mr. Bungle. Disco Volante
is also very good.

cj.23 · 2nd March 2008, 07:09 PM

In my experience of UK paranormal TV, they would not even get round to looking at them! To be honest, to attract my attention I prefer to see polaroid or cine film images, but video is ok. Digital images are so easily faked i simply would not bother. And tipping out your hoover bag and then snapping off some digital shots will get you some 100% genuine orb photos - try it!

cj x

DiskoVilante · 2nd March 2008, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by devnull

BTW, Disco Volante was a great album...... gotta lurve Mr Bungle

Funny, people mention that a lot, but I hadn't heard of Mr. Bungle when I made my forum name. Disco Volante is the name of that hyrdofoil ship in the James Bond film Thunderball.

Anyway, yeah, I was counseling my friend against doing it since it seems rather pointless, but I was interested in outside input too.

stephenenelson · 3rd March 2008, 01:20 AM

If your friend is hoping that his/her photos will simply be shown on Ghost Hunters, unlikely-- they rarely show other people's photos, and when they do it's only in the context of actually going somewhere and doing an investigation.

If your friend is considering going whole hog-- faking a ghost photograph in his/her own house, inviting the Ghost Hunters to do an investigation, then shouting "gotcha" afterwards-- well, notwithstanding any ethical issues, there's a good chance that such a stunt could go bad. For example, what if they simply don't gather any evidence? That happens in some cases, though fewer every year. Plus, the production company probably takes a safeguard or two-- for all I know, you might have to sign a gag order to allow TAPS in your house.

If your friend has some skill with digital images, use his or her powers for good. Debunk something.

P.S. I'm astonished that Sokal's paper got accepted into Social Text. It made much too much sense to be a convincing postmodernist argument.

CFLarsen · 3rd March 2008, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by DiskoVilante

I friend of mine (seriously, a friend of mine, not me) wants to send in fake/photoshopped images of orbs and other "ghost" phenomenon to that Ghost Hunter show and the reveal that they were fakes.

Now, what are the risks involved with doing this?
I'm pretty sure she can be sued for doing this, but what would the charges be?
And is it even worth it?

I think it's a great idea...kinda remeniscent of the Sokal Affair.

What if....

...people send you faked photos of ghosts...

...which you send to your friend, without saying they are fakes...

Just sayin'.

Cuddles · 3rd March 2008, 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by DiskoVilante

I friend of mine (seriously, a friend of mine, not me) wants to send in fake/photoshopped images of orbs and other "ghost" phenomenon to that Ghost Hunter show

How would this be any different from any other ghost photos?

baron · 3rd March 2008, 04:09 AM

He couldn't be sued unless he signs a contract saying "I will not send fake images of ghosts to..." whatever crappy show it is.

There wouldn't be any point, though. The show won't care if they're fakes. They likely know most of the stuff they broadcast is fake. They're not in it to educate the public, they're in it for the money, plain and simple. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they fake half of the photos themselves.

And why would he need to fake an orb photo when it's easier just to wave a dusty rag and take a photo of the result?

CFLarsen · 3rd March 2008, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by baron

And why would he need to fake an orb photo when it's easier just to wave a dusty rag and take a photo of the result?

Isn't that the same thing?

baron · 3rd March 2008, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

Isn't that the same thing?

As orbs are just dust, shaking a rag would produce real orbs!

DouglasL · 3rd March 2008, 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by DiskoVilante

Funny, people mention that a lot, but I hadn't heard of Mr. Bungle when I made my forum name. Disco Volante is the name of that hyrdofoil ship in the James Bond film Thunderball

Disco Volante means flying saucer. Which is the name of the ship in the copy cat version with the "other" James Bond. Or is Thunderball the copy cat? I forget which.

MRC_Hans · 3rd March 2008, 04:56 AM

Mmm, a bit off topic, but .... legally (or should that be logically? Unfortunately those two things are far from equal), a fake implies that someting genuine exists, doesn't it? So if you want to sue somebody for making a fake ghost photo, wouldn't you have to prove that such a thing as real ghosts exist? Because if you can't, then how is a doctored photo a fake?

Hans

desertgal · 3rd March 2008, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

Mmm, a bit off topic, but .... legally (or should that be logically? Unfortunately those two things are far from equal), a fake implies that someting genuine exists, doesn't it? So if you want to sue somebody for making a fake ghost photo, wouldn't you have to prove that such a thing as real ghosts exist? Because if you can't, then how is a doctored photo a fake?

Hans

Good point. And on what grounds could a person be sued for submitting a doctored photograph? Exposing a hoax isn't against the law, nor is Photoshopping an image, as long as you are not violating a copyright. I'm not arguing, I'm just curious what the legalities are here.

biostudent · 3rd March 2008, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by doctoratlantis

Pointless. But if s/he wants to see them published, Coast-to-Coast's always looking for something to share with the world. I've seen so many camera straps and dust motes and lens flares... <yawn>

People think lens flare is supernatural? Lol cool! *loads up new avatar* I like purposely inducing lens flare. LOL

(it's a communications tower. Pic taken during a meteor shower. There is actually a meteor zooming by in this pic, but you can't see it in this really small version. But believe it or not, I wasn't intending to get a pic of a meteor. I just wanted some cool lens flare.)

Brattus · 8th March 2008, 09:24 PM

How about this instead? Your friend goes into cold storage to get her/his heart to stop while you stand by with a defibrillator. Your friend then haunts the show on live TV.
Then you deib your friend and s/he shows up alive and shouts out "HA! I told you ghost wern't real!"
Oh! Wait! Yeah. I guess, uh, that wouldn't work. Nevermind.

Apology · 8th March 2008, 09:46 PM

They're not going to care about any dumb orb pictures. You need to read their website:

http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/

and tailor your photo to something that will get them interested. They say on their show all the time that orbs are usually dust. Read some of their "articles" to figure out what will interest them:

http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-s...s.html#general

Keep in mind that they're not entirely stupid. After all, they're not plumbers any more, they're TV stars now, and that's nothing to sneeze at. I'm going to bet that they can pick out a mediocre photoshop, but a really good photoshop might get by them.

If you want to actually be on the show, you'd better have a good historical location or be a decent actor. If you have one of those two things, why should it matter to them if it's a fake? They still got an interesting show out of you.

Apology · 8th March 2008, 10:25 PM

Their website is pretty entertaining

"Science tries to label everything, and I say they have done one hell of a job. But also you need to understand that in the same way, science kills god."

-Jason Hawes, on the subject of Schizophrenia

http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-s...al/schizo.html

JoeTheJuggler · 9th March 2008, 01:45 PM

I can understand a fake ghost photo if it's using an intentional double exposure or a model or something, but lens flares and orbs aren't "fake"--just misinterpreted. If you send in images with those, where's the "aha! this is a fake!" come from?

MaryCBW · 6th May 2008, 07:30 AM

Just get the friend to post them on the Taps18+ forum. F. needs to be careful because non-believers are banned all day every day over there. Once the hoax is admitted, F. will be banned before F. can blink. You can't get on to read if banned and the ban is permanent.
The SciFi forum for GH is mostly skeptic and loads of fun and will laugh if your F. can fool a few posters.

GH show gets fooled a lot but never admits it. They also fake their own evidence. Just go on the SciFi forum and search K11/K2, Manson, ghost locker, Myrtle Plantation,or lighthouse chair. Anyone may PM me for more key words to search. I almost forgot the best hoax. Search or Google "Grant locker", grab some popcorn, and watch the feathers fly. The "It's a Civil War Ghost" nonsense is some of the best entertainment available.

Jason and Grant used to be just plumbers but now they own a franchise.

whatthebutlersaw · 7th May 2008, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by MaryCBW

Jason and Grant used to be just plumbers but now they own a franchise.

May I just add that there is nothing "just" about plumbers. Unlike these tw@s plumbers provide a useful and important service and are a necessary part of a functioning society. The logistics of water and refuse is actually the basis on which any civilization rests - just ask the Romans - if that's not functioning, then what you have is not civilisation. Believe me - I live in East Kent.

2nd March 2008, 05:24 PM	#1
DiskoVilante Muse Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 774	Sending in Fake Ghost Images: Risks? I friend of mine (seriously, a friend of mine, not me) wants to send in fake/photoshopped images of orbs and other "ghost" phenomenon to that Ghost Hunter show and the reveal that they were fakes. Now, what are the risks involved with doing this? I'm pretty sure she can be sued for doing this, but what would the charges be? And is it even worth it? I think it's a great idea...kinda remeniscent of the Sokal Affair.
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2nd March 2008, 05:28 PM	#2
tkingdoll AKA TEEK Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Up Myself Posts: 12,471	The risk is that the photos get publicised and mooted as evidence, but the confession never does. It's happened before, sadly.
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2nd March 2008, 05:32 PM	#3
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,065	They probably get thousands of submissions and are careful about what they choose to "investigate." Your friend isn't going to be sued for sending photos, and may receive no attention at all. I haven't seen the show, but I'd be surprised if they simply air viewer-submitted photos and declare them spooky without "investigating" them. For investigations they do air, it would be interesting to know if they ask claimants to sign a legal document stating that they aren't knowingly participating in a hoax.
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2nd March 2008, 06:10 PM	#4
doctoratlantis Thinker Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kennesaw, GA Posts: 153	Opinion Originally Posted by DiskoVilante I friend of mine (seriously, a friend of mine, not me) wants to send in fake/photoshopped images of orbs and other "ghost" phenomenon to that Ghost Hunter show and the reveal that they were fakes. Now, what are the risks involved with doing this? I'm pretty sure she can be sued for doing this, but what would the charges be? And is it even worth it? I think it's a great idea...kinda remeniscent of the Sokal Affair. Pointless. But if s/he wants to see them published, Coast-to-Coast's always looking for something to share with the world. I've seen so many camera straps and dust motes and lens flares... <yawn>

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2nd March 2008, 06:44 PM	#6
bethanythemartian Scholar Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 52	Even if you get them to show it, and people believe it, the confession won't become well known. Flash in the pan. And years later, you will see that photo used as evidence to prove existence of the paranormal. And yes, satire is dead. Sadly.
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Whiplash Acting like a maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shipwrecked and Comatose Posts: 4,540	Sued? You think they would sue someone for this? Sued for what?? BTW seconded on Disco Volante. I love Squeeze Me Maccaroni and Carousel. Great songs. EDIT: Gah, got that albumn confused with the original, self titled Mr. Bungle. Disco Volante is also very good.
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2nd March 2008, 07:09 PM	#8
cj.23 Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kadath in the Cold Waste Posts: 2,296	In my experience of UK paranormal TV, they would not even get round to looking at them! To be honest, to attract my attention I prefer to see polaroid or cine film images, but video is ok. Digital images are so easily faked i simply would not bother. And tipping out your hoover bag and then snapping off some digital shots will get you some 100% genuine orb photos - try it! cj x
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2nd March 2008, 08:14 PM	#9
DiskoVilante Muse Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 774	Originally Posted by devnull BTW, Disco Volante was a great album...... gotta lurve Mr Bungle Funny, people mention that a lot, but I hadn't heard of Mr. Bungle when I made my forum name. Disco Volante is the name of that hyrdofoil ship in the James Bond film Thunderball. Anyway, yeah, I was counseling my friend against doing it since it seems rather pointless, but I was interested in outside input too.
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3rd March 2008, 01:20 AM	#10
stephenenelson Scholar Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 53	No Upside If your friend is hoping that his/her photos will simply be shown on Ghost Hunters, unlikely-- they rarely show other people's photos, and when they do it's only in the context of actually going somewhere and doing an investigation. If your friend is considering going whole hog-- faking a ghost photograph in his/her own house, inviting the Ghost Hunters to do an investigation, then shouting "gotcha" afterwards-- well, notwithstanding any ethical issues, there's a good chance that such a stunt could go bad. For example, what if they simply don't gather any evidence? That happens in some cases, though fewer every year. Plus, the production company probably takes a safeguard or two-- for all I know, you might have to sign a gag order to allow TAPS in your house. If your friend has some skill with digital images, use his or her powers for good. Debunk something. P.S. I'm astonished that Sokal's paper got accepted into Social Text. It made much too much sense to be a convincing postmodernist argument.
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3rd March 2008, 02:15 AM	#11
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,804	Originally Posted by DiskoVilante I friend of mine (seriously, a friend of mine, not me) wants to send in fake/photoshopped images of orbs and other "ghost" phenomenon to that Ghost Hunter show and the reveal that they were fakes. Now, what are the risks involved with doing this? I'm pretty sure she can be sued for doing this, but what would the charges be? And is it even worth it? I think it's a great idea...kinda remeniscent of the Sokal Affair. What if.... ...people send you faked photos of ghosts... ...which you send to your friend, without saying they are fakes... Just sayin'.
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3rd March 2008, 04:08 AM	#12
Cuddles Decoy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land full of pink fluffy sheeps and bunnies Posts: 11,805	Originally Posted by DiskoVilante I friend of mine (seriously, a friend of mine, not me) wants to send in fake/photoshopped images of orbs and other "ghost" phenomenon to that Ghost Hunter show How would this be any different from any other ghost photos?
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3rd March 2008, 04:09 AM	#13
baron Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: oop North Posts: 1,129	He couldn't be sued unless he signs a contract saying "I will not send fake images of ghosts to..." whatever crappy show it is. There wouldn't be any point, though. The show won't care if they're fakes. They likely know most of the stuff they broadcast is fake. They're not in it to educate the public, they're in it for the money, plain and simple. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they fake half of the photos themselves. And why would he need to fake an orb photo when it's easier just to wave a dusty rag and take a photo of the result?
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CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,804	Originally Posted by baron And why would he need to fake an orb photo when it's easier just to wave a dusty rag and take a photo of the result? Isn't that the same thing?
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3rd March 2008, 04:16 AM	#15
baron Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: oop North Posts: 1,129	Originally Posted by CFLarsen Isn't that the same thing? As orbs are just dust, shaking a rag would produce real orbs!
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3rd March 2008, 04:21 AM	#16
DouglasL Scholar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: St. Louis, Missouri U.S.A. Posts: 110	Originally Posted by DiskoVilante Funny, people mention that a lot, but I hadn't heard of Mr. Bungle when I made my forum name. Disco Volante is the name of that hyrdofoil ship in the James Bond film Thunderball Disco Volante means flying saucer. Which is the name of the ship in the copy cat version with the "other" James Bond. Or is Thunderball the copy cat? I forget which.
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3rd March 2008, 04:56 AM	#17
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N55.47'36" E12.30'21" Posts: 11,516	Mmm, a bit off topic, but .... legally (or should that be logically? Unfortunately those two things are far from equal), a fake implies that someting genuine exists, doesn't it? So if you want to sue somebody for making a fake ghost photo, wouldn't you have to prove that such a thing as real ghosts exist? Because if you can't, then how is a doctored photo a fake? Hans
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3rd March 2008, 05:41 AM	#18
desertgal Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 2,257	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans Mmm, a bit off topic, but .... legally (or should that be logically? Unfortunately those two things are far from equal), a fake implies that someting genuine exists, doesn't it? So if you want to sue somebody for making a fake ghost photo, wouldn't you have to prove that such a thing as real ghosts exist? Because if you can't, then how is a doctored photo a fake? Hans Good point. And on what grounds could a person be sued for submitting a doctored photograph? Exposing a hoax isn't against the law, nor is Photoshopping an image, as long as you are not violating a copyright. I'm not arguing, I'm just curious what the legalities are here.

3rd March 2008, 06:55 AM	#19
biostudent Guest Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 102	Originally Posted by doctoratlantis Pointless. But if s/he wants to see them published, Coast-to-Coast's always looking for something to share with the world. I've seen so many camera straps and dust motes and lens flares... <yawn> People think lens flare is supernatural? Lol cool! loads up new avatar I like purposely inducing lens flare. LOL (it's a communications tower. Pic taken during a meteor shower. There is actually a meteor zooming by in this pic, but you can't see it in this really small version. But believe it or not, I wasn't intending to get a pic of a meteor. I just wanted some cool lens flare.)
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8th March 2008, 09:24 PM	#20
Brattus Muse Join Date: May 2007 Location: The bowels of death and despair Posts: 621	How about this instead? Your friend goes into cold storage to get her/his heart to stop while you stand by with a defibrillator. Your friend then haunts the show on live TV. Then you deib your friend and s/he shows up alive and shouts out "HA! I told you ghost wern't real!" Oh! Wait! Yeah. I guess, uh, that wouldn't work. Nevermind.
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8th March 2008, 09:46 PM	#21
Apology Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,071	They're not going to care about any dumb orb pictures. You need to read their website: http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/ and tailor your photo to something that will get them interested. They say on their show all the time that orbs are usually dust. Read some of their "articles" to figure out what will interest them: http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-s...s.html#general Keep in mind that they're not entirely stupid. After all, they're not plumbers any more, they're TV stars now, and that's nothing to sneeze at. I'm going to bet that they can pick out a mediocre photoshop, but a really good photoshop might get by them. If you want to actually be on the show, you'd better have a good historical location or be a decent actor. If you have one of those two things, why should it matter to them if it's a fake? They still got an interesting show out of you.
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8th March 2008, 10:25 PM	#22
Apology Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,071	Their website is pretty entertaining "Science tries to label everything, and I say they have done one hell of a job. But also you need to understand that in the same way, science kills god." -Jason Hawes, on the subject of Schizophrenia http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-s...al/schizo.html
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9th March 2008, 01:45 PM	#23
JoeTheJuggler Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 13,050	I can understand a fake ghost photo if it's using an intentional double exposure or a model or something, but lens flares and orbs aren't "fake"--just misinterpreted. If you send in images with those, where's the "aha! this is a fake!" come from?
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6th May 2008, 07:30 AM	#24
MaryCBW Scholar Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: in my imagination Posts: 104	Just get the friend to post them on the Taps18+ forum. F. needs to be careful because non-believers are banned all day every day over there. Once the hoax is admitted, F. will be banned before F. can blink. You can't get on to read if banned and the ban is permanent. The SciFi forum for GH is mostly skeptic and loads of fun and will laugh if your F. can fool a few posters. GH show gets fooled a lot but never admits it. They also fake their own evidence. Just go on the SciFi forum and search K11/K2, Manson, ghost locker, Myrtle Plantation,or lighthouse chair. Anyone may PM me for more key words to search. I almost forgot the best hoax. Search or Google "Grant locker", grab some popcorn, and watch the feathers fly. The "It's a Civil War Ghost" nonsense is some of the best entertainment available. Jason and Grant used to be just plumbers but now they own a franchise.

7th May 2008, 02:56 AM	#25
whatthebutlersaw Muse Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 821	Originally Posted by MaryCBW Jason and Grant used to be just plumbers but now they own a franchise. May I just add that there is nothing "just" about plumbers. Unlike these tw@s plumbers provide a useful and important service and are a necessary part of a functioning society. The logistics of water and refuse is actually the basis on which any civilization rests - just ask the Romans - if that's not functioning, then what you have is not civilisation. Believe me - I live in East Kent.