Toronto truthers get told off at an anti-war rally

CHF · 5th March 2008, 07:44 AM

I can't help but feel sorry for anti-war activists. Just imagine....you're holding a rally in support of your cause, trying to make a difference....and along come the clueless dolts of the "truth" movement to crash the party because they think they're your de-facto ally.

This is a common tactic of the loons these days: latch on to other demonstrations in an attempt to pretend that they have friends.

Quite often this is not appreciated, as was the case last October when the Toronto chapter of the TM showed up at a small rally organized by the "war-resisters" movement. Those are the US soldiers who left the army (deserted, if you will) and are now seeking asylum in Canada.

I might not agree with every position of the anti-war crowd, but in this classic exchange they absolutely nail the kooks to the wall!

Remember: this video was shot, edited and posted by the truthers, so on some level they must think it made them look good.

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My favorite parts were at 3:45 when the war-resister himself weighs in on Loose Change, at 6:00 when the losers are told the difference between activism and just talking, and at 7:20 when the losers are told exactly what they are.

I suppose this ties in to the question I asked here: Why do the loons keep making these videos???

Is it to make us laugh? If so, mission accomplished.

Drudgewire · 5th March 2008, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by CHF

I suppose this ties in to the question I asked here: Why do the loons keep making these videos???

These guys are like Jackass Lite. All the proudly embarrassing stupidity without the crotch damage.

Normal Dude · 5th March 2008, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by Drudgewire

These guys are like Jackass Lite. All the proudly embarrassing stupidity without the crotch damage.

Or the paper cuts.

timhau · 5th March 2008, 08:15 AM

How many truthers are there in that clip? Those two whiny asshats and a guy who has a camera?

Tolls · 5th March 2008, 08:44 AM

"Have your own demonstration and see if anyone comes."

hehehehehe.

Pardalis · 5th March 2008, 10:54 AM

I don't agree with the anti Afghanistan war proponents, but I must say that this is very encouraging that they don't allow these idiot twoofers to divert the attention away from their cause.

I have so much more respect for them now, that corpulent guy was pretty rational with them. Good for them.

CHF · 5th March 2008, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by timhau

How many truthers are there in that clip? Those two whiny asshats and a guy who has a camera?

Yup. Looks like 3-4 of them, which shows you why they crash the demonstrations of others.

Originally Posted by Tolls

"Have your own demonstration and see if anyone comes."

hehehehehe.

They've tried that. The biggest one I've seen had about 12 of them show up.

The Silver Shadow · 5th March 2008, 11:17 AM

Wow, this is getting more and more interesting. Why don't these guys ever show up at the university? I practically live there, I'd love to chat with them...

CHF · 5th March 2008, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by The Silver Shadow

Wow, this is getting more and more interesting. Why don't these guys ever show up at the university? I practically live there, I'd love to chat with them...

They'll probably be making fools of themselves somewhere in the downtown core next Tuesday (11th).

As for universities, I imagine they'd stay away. Heaven forbid, they might run into an engineer or something.

The Silver Shadow · 5th March 2008, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by CHF

They'll probably be making fools of themselves somewhere in the downtown core next Tuesday (11th).

As for universities, I imagine they'd stay away. Heaven forbid, they might run into an engineer or something.

I would expect them to show up at York if they wanted to be at a university

(Little University of Toronto joke...)

Gord_in_Toronto · 5th March 2008, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by The Silver Shadow

I would expect them to show up at York if they wanted to be at a university

(Little University of Toronto joke...)

I understand that they have visited Ryerson.

(a TO joke for those of us who live here)

Walter Ego · 5th March 2008, 07:48 PM

Apparently the 9-11 'kooks' have been irritating the Toronto war resisters group for some time by horning in on their rallies.

Quote:

At every War Resister Support Campaign event I've attended - and, I'm told, at every peace rally and progressive event in Toronto - people from the local 9/11 Truth Movement are present. Normally, I would be inclined to think this was a good thing. 9/11 is the singular event from which so much that we object to has flowed, and there is so much we don't know about it. Links between what really happened leading up to the attacks and what is happening today are crucial to our understanding, and should be crucial to the peace movement.

However... what actually happens is not at all a good thing. The Toronto 9/11 Truth folks hold a huge banner reading "9/11 Was An Inside Job," which, in my opinion, is extremely off-putting. I don't know what their slogan is shorthand for, but its implication is, to put it mildly, not a good starting point.

And that's the least of it. There's one guy who shows up at every event. He holds a megaphone and walks around shouting "Nine-eleven Was An Inside Job" over and over. He does not engage in discussion; he only hides behind his megaphone and shouts. When asked to stop, he will often point his megaphone directly into someone's face and chant his slogan at them. He contributes nothing. He educates no one. The sole effect of his show, as far as I can see, is to turn people off the idea that there is anything substantial about the 9/11 Truth Movement.

Every movement has its share of kooks. I've been an activist for most of my life, and I've never been involved in a cause that didn't attract at least a few nuts. Some are people whose hearts are in the right place, but because of social ineptitude or control issues or who knows what, they are unable to participate in a group dynamic. Some don't even seem to have their hearts in the right place, and one can only wonder why they're there at all.

So the kooks are always there. But I've never seen a movement whose public face is the kooks themselves.

http://wmtc.blogspot.com/2008/01/911...struction.html

jaydeehess · 5th March 2008, 09:11 PM

Quote:

So the kooks are always there. But I've never seen a movement whose public face is the kooks themselves.

That puts it about as succinctly as it gets.

Not that I ever get to Ottawa anymore but do these guys or a similar group ever show up at Carleton U.?

The Silver Shadow · 5th March 2008, 09:22 PM

The thing about 9/11 truthers in Toronto is that they're at every big event. During the "Taste of the Danforth" weekend this past August, a group of truthers were holding a banner just outside the entrance from the subway station. There was only 3 or 4 of them, but as I went on down the street, there were a couple of people holding a "Google WTC 7" sign, to which I had quite the comical conversation with them...

That was one of them, about a month and a half after that, I was in Downtown near the Much/City/Chum building on Queen & Richmond, and there were some 9/11 truthers present standing nearby where the Foo Fighters were being interviewed. So overall, they go to anywhere where there's a presence of media of any type...

Walter Ego · 5th March 2008, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by The Silver Shadow

The thing about 9/11 truthers in Toronto is that they're at every big event. During the "Taste of the Danforth" weekend this past August, a group of truthers were holding a banner just outside the entrance from the subway station. There was only 3 or 4 of them, but as I went on down the street, there were a couple of people holding a "Google WTC 7" sign, to which I had quite the comical conversation with them...

Did they get you in their video?

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The MO for this group seems to be to let somoene else draw a crowd then they show up and exploit it.

X · 5th March 2008, 09:51 PM

They go seeking confrontation, and have the audacity to play the victim.

Disgusting.

WildCat · 5th March 2008, 10:10 PM

Less than 400 views and they already disabled comments on the video, and nearly all the comments that were there were negative to the asshats.

And this thread is the #1 linking site to the video!

The Silver Shadow · 5th March 2008, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Walter Ego

Did they get you in their video?

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The MO for this group seems to be to let somoene else draw a crowd then they show up and exploit it.

Unless my name is Jack Layton, I wasn't caught on camera!

Quite surprised that there was even a video for this, but I had a chat with one fellow that was holding up a sign saying "Google WTC7" that day from that "movement" around dusk, when most of them had gone home and it went something like this:

Me: Are you saying that Google has an office in WTC 7?
Him: No, I'm saying that WTC7 was an inside job by the US government.
Me: So are you saying that the US government blew up WTC 7 (his hopes go up here, but then I add...), but with the help of Google?
Him: NO! Google had nothing to do with WTC7?
Me: Then why are you accusing a search engine of destroying a building?
Him: I'm not saying that Google destroyed WTC7, I'm saying the US government did...
Me: ...but with the help of Google, right?

That's the best of my recollection, and he just started walking away and not bothering to talk anymore. It's quite rare that you find a single truther, but I kind of exploited this one...

Davidlpf · 5th March 2008, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Drudgewire

These guys are like Jackass Lite. All the proudly embarrassing stupidity without the crotch damage.

Darn i need them out of the gene pool.

Cincinnatus · 6th March 2008, 02:11 AM

If they stalked me like that shouting with a bull horn in my ear; 9/11 was inside job, though I told them i'm not interested, someones getting punched in the face. Arrest me.

They really think they're neo.

eromitlab · 6th March 2008, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by Davidlpf

Darn i need them out of the gene pool.

They're already taking care of that by carrying themselves in a manner which repels the opposite sex.

Davidlpf · 6th March 2008, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by Cincinnatus

If they stalked me like that shouting with a bull horn in my ear; 9/11 was inside job, though I told them i'm not interested, someones getting punched in the face. Arrest me.

They really think they're neo.

Something like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?tv=TmH-...eature=related
that is Buzz Aldrin hitting good old Bart Sibrel.
(do not know how to put youtube warning)

leftysergeant · 6th March 2008, 04:05 AM

Oh rats! Somebody must have gotten to them and told them what utter morons they looked like. the video has been pulled, apparently.

padragan · 6th March 2008, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Oh rats! Somebody must have gotten to them and told them what utter morons they looked like. the video has been pulled, apparently.

And when you say "pulled" you mean someone demolished the video using cables?

MarkyX · 6th March 2008, 05:55 AM

Too funny. 9/11 Deniers are reduced to leeching.

Wildy · 6th March 2008, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by The Silver Shadow

Unless my name is Jack Layton, I wasn't caught on camera!

Quite surprised that there was even a video for this, but I had a chat with one fellow that was holding up a sign saying "Google WTC7" that day from that "movement" around dusk, when most of them had gone home and it went something like this:

Me: Are you saying that Google has an office in WTC 7?
Him: No, I'm saying that WTC7 was an inside job by the US government.
Me: So are you saying that the US government blew up WTC 7 (his hopes go up here, but then I add...), but with the help of Google?
Him: NO! Google had nothing to do with WTC7?
Me: Then why are you accusing a search engine of destroying a building?
Him: I'm not saying that Google destroyed WTC7, I'm saying the US government did...
Me: ...but with the help of Google, right?

That's the best of my recollection, and he just started walking away and not bothering to talk anymore. It's quite rare that you find a single truther, but I kind of exploited this one...

They must be in on it. They've even covered their tracks.

Alan G · 6th March 2008, 06:10 AM

What was the earliest point in the video where they were told they were not welcome, cos they still hadn't got the message by the end of it.

VespaGuy · 6th March 2008, 07:37 AM

A few comments:

In the very beginning the main truther continues to say "I just want to extend an invitation". Shouldn't he be asking for THEM to extend the invitation? It seems like strange wording... maybe I'm missing something.

About halfway through, it says "...the War Resistors continued to engage our members after the rally". To which I would ask, "What the [rule10] were the truthers stil ldoing there?" They were told over and over that the WRs didn't want any part of them, and yet they continued to stick around. Who was doing the engaging?

I have to admit that the Truthers are masters of this type of passive-aggresiveness. They continue to pretend to be innocent and play coy knowing full well they are being disruptive.

Horatius · 6th March 2008, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by The Silver Shadow

Unless my name is Jack Layton, I wasn't caught on camera!

Quite surprised that there was even a video for this, but I had a chat with one fellow that was holding up a sign saying "Google WTC7" that day from that "movement" around dusk, when most of them had gone home and it went something like this:

Me: Are you saying that Google has an office in WTC 7?
Him: No, I'm saying that WTC7 was an inside job by the US government.
Me: So are you saying that the US government blew up WTC 7 (his hopes go up here, but then I add...), but with the help of Google?
Him: NO! Google had nothing to do with WTC7?
Me: Then why are you accusing a search engine of destroying a building?
Him: I'm not saying that Google destroyed WTC7, I'm saying the US government did...
Me: ...but with the help of Google, right?

That's the best of my recollection, and he just started walking away and not bothering to talk anymore. It's quite rare that you find a single truther, but I kind of exploited this one...

Excellent work! There will be a little extra in your NWO pay packet this month....Assuming you remember all your NWO vote fixing training, that is.

VespaGuy · 6th March 2008, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Alan G

What was the earliest point in the video where they were told they were not welcome, cos they still hadn't got the message by the end of it.

I believe it was some where around the 0:01 mark.

VespaGuy · 6th March 2008, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by [X]

They go seeking confrontation, and have the audacity to play the victim.

Disgusting.

I agree.

I've always wanted to use a similar technique on them. I'd love to join their ranks (sport the t-shirt and all), grab a bullhorn and walk amongst them, shouting "We're all retarded", "We have no idea what we're talking about", "We are a disgrace".

Of course, when confronted by the truthers, you can just reply "It's a public street", or use any of the other comments truthers love to fall back on when they are confronting people.

(If I ever do this, I'll be sure to tape it)

Drudgewire · 6th March 2008, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by VespaGuy

I agree.

I've always wanted to use a similar technique on them. I'd love to join their ranks (sport the t-shirt and all), grab a bullhorn and walk amongst them, shouting "We're all retarded", "We have no idea what we're talking about", "We are a disgrace".

Of course, when confronted by the truthers, you can just reply "It's a public street", or use any of the other comments truthers love to fall back on when they are confronting people.

(If I ever do this, I'll be sure to tape it)

The twoofers need this guy at one of their rallies:

Hawk one · 6th March 2008, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by Davidlpf

Something like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?tv=TmH-...eature=related
that is Buzz Aldrin hitting good old Bart Sibrel.
(do not know how to put youtube warning)

Just giving you today's little forum tip:

To add a Youtube video directly to your post, you copy out the part of the url that is between the "=" and the "&". THen you put in the [yt][/yt] tags and put them inside there.

In your case, the code should be this:
[yt]TmH-N65R-lg[/yt]

And the end result should look like this:

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So, there you are, a nice smackdown from Buzz Aldrin, right in the post.

(And in case you wonder, I used another code called "noparse" to make the other codes appear "raw".)

ktesibios · 6th March 2008, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by The Silver Shadow

Unless my name is Jack Layton, I wasn't caught on camera!

Quite surprised that there was even a video for this, but I had a chat with one fellow that was holding up a sign saying "Google WTC7" that day from that "movement" around dusk, when most of them had gone home and it went something like this:

Me: Are you saying that Google has an office in WTC 7?
Him: No, I'm saying that WTC7 was an inside job by the US government.
Me: So are you saying that the US government blew up WTC 7 (his hopes go up here, but then I add...), but with the help of Google?
Him: NO! Google had nothing to do with WTC7?
Me: Then why are you accusing a search engine of destroying a building?
Him: I'm not saying that Google destroyed WTC7, I'm saying the US government did...
Me: ...but with the help of Google, right?

That's the best of my recollection, and he just started walking away and not bothering to talk anymore. It's quite rare that you find a single truther, but I kind of exploited this one...

Silver Shadow, that's truly priceless. If you could work "is.. is he dead?" in somewhere, you would achieve perfection.

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Oh rats! Somebody must have gotten to them and told them what utter morons they looked like. the video has been pulled, apparently.

The link in the OP seems to be working for me.

jaydeehess · 6th March 2008, 11:16 AM

It seems that the guy on the bullhorn shouts the 'trooth' message but half the time when they talk to someone personally they bring up some other unrealted topic such as the N.A.Union.

That is certainly all they had to say to Jack Layton. For the benfit of those who do not know Canadian politics, Layton is a member of Parliament and the leader of the leftist, New Democratic Party (NDP) of Canada.

Ateius · 6th March 2008, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Hawk one

So, there you are, a nice smackdown from Buzz Aldrin, right in the post.

"Did you get that on camera?"

Lowest scum in the room right there. Insult an man to his face until he strikes you and then play the victim.

And as to the OT - I imagine that police officer at the rally was wishing he had any pretext at all to throw those twoofers in a cell.

The Silver Shadow · 6th March 2008, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Excellent work! There will be a little extra in your NWO pay packet this month....Assuming you remember all your NWO vote fixing training, that is.

Originally Posted by ktesibios

Silver Shadow, that's truly priceless. If you could work "is.. is he dead?" in somewhere, you would achieve perfection.

Thanks for the compliments, but this is the best of my recollection from that day, it was too long ago!

MarkyX · 6th March 2008, 08:41 PM

Just watched a bit further, they reallllly hate Loose Change and Dylan.

That's funny stuff right there.

CHF · 6th March 2008, 11:05 PM

For anyone in need of a laugh, the Toronto twoofers are planning to make fools of themselves this Sunday at Dundas Square.

Then on March 15 they plan on crashing another peace rally.

Heynow · 7th March 2008, 01:27 AM

Well in the video i can definitely see Canada turning into a police state but only if Toronto 911 truth movement becomes a political party.

5th March 2008, 07:49 AM	#2
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 7,889	Originally Posted by CHF I suppose this ties in to the question I asked here: Why do the loons keep making these videos??? These guys are like Jackass Lite. All the proudly embarrassing stupidity without the crotch damage.
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Pardalis Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 18,527	I don't agree with the anti Afghanistan war proponents, but I must say that this is very encouraging that they don't allow these idiot twoofers to divert the attention away from their cause. I have so much more respect for them now, that corpulent guy was pretty rational with them. Good for them.
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5th March 2008, 10:56 AM	#7
CHF Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,770	Originally Posted by timhau How many truthers are there in that clip? Those two whiny asshats and a guy who has a camera? Yup. Looks like 3-4 of them, which shows you why they crash the demonstrations of others. Originally Posted by Tolls "Have your own demonstration and see if anyone comes." hehehehehe. They've tried that. The biggest one I've seen had about 12 of them show up.

5th March 2008, 11:17 AM	#8
The Silver Shadow Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Physically, Toronto; Mentally, Monte Carlo Posts: 1,063	Wow, this is getting more and more interesting. Why don't these guys ever show up at the university? I practically live there, I'd love to chat with them...
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5th March 2008, 11:41 AM	#9
CHF Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,770	Originally Posted by The Silver Shadow Wow, this is getting more and more interesting. Why don't these guys ever show up at the university? I practically live there, I'd love to chat with them... They'll probably be making fools of themselves somewhere in the downtown core next Tuesday (11th). As for universities, I imagine they'd stay away. Heaven forbid, they might run into an engineer or something.

5th March 2008, 12:47 PM	#10
The Silver Shadow Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Physically, Toronto; Mentally, Monte Carlo Posts: 1,063	Originally Posted by CHF They'll probably be making fools of themselves somewhere in the downtown core next Tuesday (11th). As for universities, I imagine they'd stay away. Heaven forbid, they might run into an engineer or something. I would expect them to show up at York if they wanted to be at a university (Little University of Toronto joke...)
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Gord_in_Toronto Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,491	Originally Posted by The Silver Shadow I would expect them to show up at York if they wanted to be at a university (Little University of Toronto joke...) I understand that they have visited Ryerson. (a TO joke for those of us who live here)
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5th March 2008, 07:48 PM	#12
Walter Ego Muse Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Savannah, Ga. Posts: 923	Apparently the 9-11 'kooks' have been irritating the Toronto war resisters group for some time by horning in on their rallies. Quote: At every War Resister Support Campaign event I've attended - and, I'm told, at every peace rally and progressive event in Toronto - people from the local 9/11 Truth Movement are present. Normally, I would be inclined to think this was a good thing. 9/11 is the singular event from which so much that we object to has flowed, and there is so much we don't know about it. Links between what really happened leading up to the attacks and what is happening today are crucial to our understanding, and should be crucial to the peace movement. However... what actually happens is not at all a good thing. The Toronto 9/11 Truth folks hold a huge banner reading "9/11 Was An Inside Job," which, in my opinion, is extremely off-putting. I don't know what their slogan is shorthand for, but its implication is, to put it mildly, not a good starting point. And that's the least of it. There's one guy who shows up at every event. He holds a megaphone and walks around shouting "Nine-eleven Was An Inside Job" over and over. He does not engage in discussion; he only hides behind his megaphone and shouts. When asked to stop, he will often point his megaphone directly into someone's face and chant his slogan at them. He contributes nothing. He educates no one. The sole effect of his show, as far as I can see, is to turn people off the idea that there is anything substantial about the 9/11 Truth Movement. Every movement has its share of kooks. I've been an activist for most of my life, and I've never been involved in a cause that didn't attract at least a few nuts. Some are people whose hearts are in the right place, but because of social ineptitude or control issues or who knows what, they are unable to participate in a group dynamic. Some don't even seem to have their hearts in the right place, and one can only wonder why they're there at all. So the kooks are always there. But I've never seen a movement whose public face is the kooks themselves. http://wmtc.blogspot.com/2008/01/911...struction.html
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jaydeehess Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles from the border Posts: 4,598	Quote: So the kooks are always there. But I've never seen a movement whose public face is the kooks themselves. That puts it about as succinctly as it gets. Not that I ever get to Ottawa anymore but do these guys or a similar group ever show up at Carleton U.?
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The Silver Shadow Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Physically, Toronto; Mentally, Monte Carlo Posts: 1,063	The thing about 9/11 truthers in Toronto is that they're at every big event. During the "Taste of the Danforth" weekend this past August, a group of truthers were holding a banner just outside the entrance from the subway station. There was only 3 or 4 of them, but as I went on down the street, there were a couple of people holding a "Google WTC 7" sign, to which I had quite the comical conversation with them... That was one of them, about a month and a half after that, I was in Downtown near the Much/City/Chum building on Queen & Richmond, and there were some 9/11 truthers present standing nearby where the Foo Fighters were being interviewed. So overall, they go to anywhere where there's a presence of media of any type...
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5th March 2008, 09:51 PM	#16
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5th March 2008, 10:10 PM	#17
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 23,584	Less than 400 views and they already disabled comments on the video, and nearly all the comments that were there were negative to the asshats. And this thread is the #1 linking site to the video!
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5th March 2008, 10:49 PM	#19
Davidlpf Thinker Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 161	Originally Posted by Drudgewire These guys are like Jackass Lite. All the proudly embarrassing stupidity without the crotch damage. Darn i need them out of the gene pool.
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6th March 2008, 02:11 AM	#20
Cincinnatus Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New York Posts: 90	If they stalked me like that shouting with a bull horn in my ear; 9/11 was inside job, though I told them i'm not interested, someones getting punched in the face. Arrest me. They really think they're neo.
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6th March 2008, 02:28 AM	#21
eromitlab Muse Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: north Alabama Posts: 866	Originally Posted by Davidlpf Darn i need them out of the gene pool. They're already taking care of that by carrying themselves in a manner which repels the opposite sex.
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6th March 2008, 02:41 AM	#22
Davidlpf Thinker Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 161	Originally Posted by Cincinnatus If they stalked me like that shouting with a bull horn in my ear; 9/11 was inside job, though I told them i'm not interested, someones getting punched in the face. Arrest me. They really think they're neo. Something like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?tv=TmH-...eature=related that is Buzz Aldrin hitting good old Bart Sibrel. (do not know how to put youtube warning)
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6th March 2008, 04:05 AM	#23
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 5,837	Oh rats! Somebody must have gotten to them and told them what utter morons they looked like. the video has been pulled, apparently.

6th March 2008, 05:47 AM	#24
padragan Scholar Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 107	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Oh rats! Somebody must have gotten to them and told them what utter morons they looked like. the video has been pulled, apparently. And when you say "pulled" you mean someone demolished the video using cables?

6th March 2008, 05:55 AM	#25
MarkyX Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,016	Too funny. 9/11 Deniers are reduced to leeching.
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6th March 2008, 06:09 AM	#26
Wildy Adelaidean Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Drinking fresh mango juice Posts: 6,723	Originally Posted by The Silver Shadow Unless my name is Jack Layton, I wasn't caught on camera! Quite surprised that there was even a video for this, but I had a chat with one fellow that was holding up a sign saying "Google WTC7" that day from that "movement" around dusk, when most of them had gone home and it went something like this: Me: Are you saying that Google has an office in WTC 7? Him: No, I'm saying that WTC7 was an inside job by the US government. Me: So are you saying that the US government blew up WTC 7 (his hopes go up here, but then I add...), but with the help of Google? Him: NO! Google had nothing to do with WTC7? Me: Then why are you accusing a search engine of destroying a building? Him: I'm not saying that Google destroyed WTC7, I'm saying the US government did... Me: ...but with the help of Google, right? That's the best of my recollection, and he just started walking away and not bothering to talk anymore. It's quite rare that you find a single truther, but I kind of exploited this one... They must be in on it. They've even covered their tracks.
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6th March 2008, 06:10 AM	#27
Alan G Student Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 36	What was the earliest point in the video where they were told they were not welcome, cos they still hadn't got the message by the end of it.

6th March 2008, 07:37 AM	#28
VespaGuy Muse Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 986	A few comments: In the very beginning the main truther continues to say "I just want to extend an invitation". Shouldn't he be asking for THEM to extend the invitation? It seems like strange wording... maybe I'm missing something. About halfway through, it says "...the War Resistors continued to engage our members after the rally". To which I would ask, "What the [rule10] were the truthers stil ldoing there?" They were told over and over that the WRs didn't want any part of them, and yet they continued to stick around. Who was doing the engaging? I have to admit that the Truthers are masters of this type of passive-aggresiveness. They continue to pretend to be innocent and play coy knowing full well they are being disruptive.
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6th March 2008, 07:37 AM	#29
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 11,159	Originally Posted by The Silver Shadow Unless my name is Jack Layton, I wasn't caught on camera! Quite surprised that there was even a video for this, but I had a chat with one fellow that was holding up a sign saying "Google WTC7" that day from that "movement" around dusk, when most of them had gone home and it went something like this: Me: Are you saying that Google has an office in WTC 7? Him: No, I'm saying that WTC7 was an inside job by the US government. Me: So are you saying that the US government blew up WTC 7 (his hopes go up here, but then I add...), but with the help of Google? Him: NO! Google had nothing to do with WTC7? Me: Then why are you accusing a search engine of destroying a building? Him: I'm not saying that Google destroyed WTC7, I'm saying the US government did... Me: ...but with the help of Google, right? That's the best of my recollection, and he just started walking away and not bothering to talk anymore. It's quite rare that you find a single truther, but I kind of exploited this one... Excellent work! There will be a little extra in your NWO pay packet this month....Assuming you remember all your NWO vote fixing training, that is.
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6th March 2008, 07:38 AM	#30
VespaGuy Muse Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 986	Originally Posted by Alan G What was the earliest point in the video where they were told they were not welcome, cos they still hadn't got the message by the end of it. I believe it was some where around the 0:01 mark.
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6th March 2008, 07:47 AM	#31
VespaGuy Muse Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 986	Originally Posted by [X] They go seeking confrontation, and have the audacity to play the victim. Disgusting. I agree. I've always wanted to use a similar technique on them. I'd love to join their ranks (sport the t-shirt and all), grab a bullhorn and walk amongst them, shouting "We're all retarded", "We have no idea what we're talking about", "We are a disgrace". Of course, when confronted by the truthers, you can just reply "It's a public street", or use any of the other comments truthers love to fall back on when they are confronting people. (If I ever do this, I'll be sure to tape it)
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6th March 2008, 08:02 AM	#32
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 7,889	Originally Posted by VespaGuy I agree. I've always wanted to use a similar technique on them. I'd love to join their ranks (sport the t-shirt and all), grab a bullhorn and walk amongst them, shouting "We're all retarded", "We have no idea what we're talking about", "We are a disgrace". Of course, when confronted by the truthers, you can just reply "It's a public street", or use any of the other comments truthers love to fall back on when they are confronting people. (If I ever do this, I'll be sure to tape it) The twoofers need this guy at one of their rallies:
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6th March 2008, 10:39 AM	#34
ktesibios Worthless Aging Hippie Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,189	Originally Posted by The Silver Shadow Unless my name is Jack Layton, I wasn't caught on camera! Quite surprised that there was even a video for this, but I had a chat with one fellow that was holding up a sign saying "Google WTC7" that day from that "movement" around dusk, when most of them had gone home and it went something like this: Me: Are you saying that Google has an office in WTC 7? Him: No, I'm saying that WTC7 was an inside job by the US government. Me: So are you saying that the US government blew up WTC 7 (his hopes go up here, but then I add...), but with the help of Google? Him: NO! Google had nothing to do with WTC7? Me: Then why are you accusing a search engine of destroying a building? Him: I'm not saying that Google destroyed WTC7, I'm saying the US government did... Me: ...but with the help of Google, right? That's the best of my recollection, and he just started walking away and not bothering to talk anymore. It's quite rare that you find a single truther, but I kind of exploited this one... Silver Shadow, that's truly priceless. If you could work "is.. is he dead?" in somewhere, you would achieve perfection. Originally Posted by leftysergeant Oh rats! Somebody must have gotten to them and told them what utter morons they looked like. the video has been pulled, apparently. The link in the OP seems to be working for me.
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6th March 2008, 11:16 AM	#35
jaydeehess Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles from the border Posts: 4,598	It seems that the guy on the bullhorn shouts the 'trooth' message but half the time when they talk to someone personally they bring up some other unrealted topic such as the N.A.Union. That is certainly all they had to say to Jack Layton. For the benfit of those who do not know Canadian politics, Layton is a member of Parliament and the leader of the leftist, New Democratic Party (NDP) of Canada.
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6th March 2008, 03:27 PM	#36
Ateius Thinker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 224	Originally Posted by Hawk one So, there you are, a nice smackdown from Buzz Aldrin, right in the post. "Did you get that on camera?" Lowest scum in the room right there. Insult an man to his face until he strikes you and then play the victim. And as to the OT - I imagine that police officer at the rally was wishing he had any pretext at all to throw those twoofers in a cell.

6th March 2008, 07:57 PM	#37
The Silver Shadow Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Physically, Toronto; Mentally, Monte Carlo Posts: 1,063	Originally Posted by Horatius Excellent work! There will be a little extra in your NWO pay packet this month....Assuming you remember all your NWO vote fixing training, that is. Originally Posted by ktesibios Silver Shadow, that's truly priceless. If you could work "is.. is he dead?" in somewhere, you would achieve perfection. Thanks for the compliments, but this is the best of my recollection from that day, it was too long ago!
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6th March 2008, 08:41 PM	#38
MarkyX Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,016	Just watched a bit further, they reallllly hate Loose Change and Dylan. That's funny stuff right there.
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6th March 2008, 11:05 PM	#39
CHF Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,770	For anyone in need of a laugh, the Toronto twoofers are planning to make fools of themselves this Sunday at Dundas Square. Then on March 15 they plan on crashing another peace rally.