I'm thinking of writing a book - can I quote you?

A Christian Sceptic · 14th March 2008, 09:08 PM

I've really enjoyed much of your witty banter and posts and really appreciated some of the great ideas many of you have.

I'm playing around with writing a book. I don't have the complete specifics down as I'm still deciding whether I want to write this. But I thought I'd throw this out to see what sort of responses I get. Since you all are technically owners of the posts you make I wanted to get permission to quote you. If I can't get permission or you don't want to give it to me I still might write the book but just generalize, but that wouldn't be as personal. It's going to be a nonfiction book aimed for Christians who might be interested in reading some of your great arguments and thoughts and observations along with some of my own impressions and knowledge gained while hanging with you all.

Anyway - if you have taken part in any exchanges with me or threads I've been involved in and won't mind me quoting you and referring to your Screen Name respond to this thread with a YES. Otherwise respond with NO or no response.

Hokulele · 14th March 2008, 09:15 PM

I can offer a conditional YES. I would want to see how my posts are being used in context, as I can think of several things I may have said on one of your threads that, if context is lost, may sound like I am arguing the opposite of my real opinion. I do not mean to suggest that you are likely to quote mine or quote out of context, but I absolutely hate it when my words are used in a manner that makes them likely to be misconstrued, and have seen it happen unintentionally.

Madalch · 14th March 2008, 09:41 PM

What Hokulele said. I can't think of anything I've posted that you might want to quote, let alone out of context, but just in case.

dglas · 15th March 2008, 12:37 AM

No.

I usually very carefully consider what I say and how I say it. The danger of being misrepresented is simply too high. If I want my stuff in a book, I'll write it myself. Thanks for the offer, though.

What is this "respond with no response" thingy you speak of?

Will it help us...
Win Powerball!!!

Bluefire · 15th March 2008, 01:36 AM

I do not have anything principally against being quoted. But since any posts here are written "quickly" without being overly careful I have a caveat:

I would want know of any quotes taken from me here, and to have the opportunity of phrasing something more careful, if I am not happy with having a particular formulation printed in a book.

godless dave · 15th March 2008, 07:32 AM

Yes. Also feel free to PM me.

Beth · 15th March 2008, 07:46 AM

Sure

A Christian Sceptic · 15th March 2008, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

I can offer a conditional YES. I would want to see how my posts are being used in context, as I can think of several things I may have said on one of your threads that, if context is lost, may sound like I am arguing the opposite of my real opinion. I do not mean to suggest that you are likely to quote mine or quote out of context, but I absolutely hate it when my words are used in a manner that makes them likely to be misconstrued, and have seen it happen unintentionally.

If I quote you I'd put a footnote where someone should be able to find the quote online and check for themselves whether it's in context.

Mainly I want to organize peoples answers in such a way where the reader can draw their own conclusions of any significance of what anyone said. I know I've drawn some of my own conclusions on certain things and will obviously sometimes share those. But I'd be making sure the reader understood those were only my opinions.

I can assure that my intent is more of an attempt to show the diversity amongst Atheists views then any sort of argument against Atheist views.

There was so much good information that people have shared, but it's rather a pain to surf through the silliness and derails. So I'm more writing this for myself and maybe someone else will find it interesting.

Tricky · 15th March 2008, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by A Christian Sceptic

I can assure that my intent is more of an attempt to show the diversity amongst Atheists views then any sort of argument against Atheist views.

I think that's good. I dislike it when people are lumped into one big group, be it atheist or Christian. From what I can tell, you truly are a Christian Skeptic. There is an incredible variety of beliefs out there and they change every time somebody has a new thought, so I support any effort to prevent stereotyping. It is a buffet. It is foolish, in my opinion, not to taste lots of different things.

Fnord · 15th March 2008, 10:29 AM

Quote:

"I'm thinking of writing a book - can I quote you?" -- Christian Sceptic.

No.

Never.

Not at all.

No way - no how.

Neither in whole or in part.

Clear enough?

neltana · 15th March 2008, 11:00 AM

I can't imagine why you would want to quote me, since I'm not an atheist. But since I've taken part in threads with you, it isn't outside the realm of possibility, I suppose.

Yes, you can quote my typo-prone and bizarre posts for the purpose of discussion and criticism.

Of course, some degree of quoting would be allowable under "fair use" anyways. At least, as far as US law goes...I think. Better to get explicit permission, though.

-Fran- · 15th March 2008, 11:11 AM

It depends... I would say...

Safe-Keeper · 15th March 2008, 10:00 PM

Nope.

ImaginalDisc · 15th March 2008, 10:08 PM

No.

ETA: I think you deserve an explanation.

You are a slippery, artfully dodging weasel incapable of answering a question directly or representing anyone honestly. You are so untrustworthy that if you told me it was raining, I would look outside.

JoeEllison · 15th March 2008, 10:16 PM

No.

Not that I expect that you'd find much of what I've posted to be quote-worthy, but I also don't consider you to be a particularly trustworthy person, or one who possesses a large measure of integrity. I believe that you will take any opportunity to twist and manipulate the words of people who disagree with your position, in order to make your position look better.

The Atheist · 15th March 2008, 10:26 PM

I'm amazed at the noes!

if you don't want to be quoted, why the hell are you posting on a public forum?

ACS, if you find anything worth quoting me on, go ahead. Also feel free to scam as much as you like from my site/s if you're interested.

ImaginalDisc · 15th March 2008, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Also feel free to scam as much as you like from my site/s if you're interested.

Emphasis added.

How appropriate.

Mobyseven · 16th March 2008, 01:04 AM

A conditional yes, as per Hokulele. If you want to quote me, I'll want to know how my words are being used.

Gilmar · 16th March 2008, 01:20 AM

No, and you can quote me on that.

UnrepentantSinner · 16th March 2008, 01:43 AM

Everything I've written on BBSs is public domain AFAIC.

Hokulele · 16th March 2008, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by A Christian Sceptic

If I quote you I'd put a footnote where someone should be able to find the quote online and check for themselves whether it's in context.

Mainly I want to organize peoples answers in such a way where the reader can draw their own conclusions of any significance of what anyone said. I know I've drawn some of my own conclusions on certain things and will obviously sometimes share those. But I'd be making sure the reader understood those were only my opinions.

I can assure that my intent is more of an attempt to show the diversity amongst Atheists views then any sort of argument against Atheist views.

There was so much good information that people have shared, but it's rather a pain to surf through the silliness and derails. So I'm more writing this for myself and maybe someone else will find it interesting.

Again, I would prefer to see the work prior to release. AFAIK, this is a common request when quotes are used. It is not that I do not trust you per se, but that you have demonstrated in the past a different understanding of what I have written than what I intended. I would prefer that my writings show my intentions. If you are not comfortable sharing your book before publication, that is fine, but in that case I would prefer not be quoted.

Not that I am assuming I am quote-worthy to begin with.

Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner

Everything I've written on BBSs is public domain AFAIC.

Yes and no. If ACS plans this to be a profit-making venture, the public domain issue becomes tricky depending on jurisdiction. Then again, IANAL.

UnrepentantSinner · 16th March 2008, 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

Yes and no. If ACS plans this to be a profit-making venture, the public domain issue becomes tricky depending on jurisdiction. Then again, IANAL.

Hence the "as far as I'm concerned". I make no copywrite claim to anything I post on BBSs, it's just there. Not that I think ACS wants to quote anything I've written here, I'm just noting I have a lassaiz-faire attitude towards the use of my writing.

Hokulele · 16th March 2008, 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner

Hence the "as far as I'm concerned". I make no copywrite claim to anything I post on BBSs, it's just there. Not that I think ACS wants to quote anything I've written here, I'm just noting I have a lassaiz-faire attitude towards the use of my writing.

I originally read this as "a lassaiz-faire attitude towards my writing", and was about to agree with you.

Tricky · 16th March 2008, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner

Hence the "as far as I'm concerned". I make no copyright claim to anything I post on BBSs, it's just there. Not that I think ACS wants to quote anything I've written here, I'm just noting I have a lassaiz-faire attitude toward the use of my writing.

I don't think anybody has any copyright claims to anything they write here. It is already in the public domain. Moreover, most of us are anonymous so it would be hard for us to insist that any person's reputation was being harmed by the misuse of our forum persona's words. At best, the owners of the forum might be able to claim some right to ownership of what is posted here.

While it is nice of ACS to ask our permission, I don't think that he has to, legally speaking.

In a slightly related question, whatever happened to that lawsuit by the guy who claimed he had been slandered on the forum? Wasn't he trying to sue some of the forum persona, though not even knowing who they were?

PrincessIneffabelle · 16th March 2008, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

Again, I would prefer to see the work prior to release. AFAIK, this is a common request when quotes are used. It is not that I do not trust you per se, but that you have demonstrated in the past a different understanding of what I have written than what I intended. I would prefer that my writings show my intentions. If you are not comfortable sharing your book before publication, that is fine, but in that case I would prefer not be quoted.

Not that I am assuming I am quote-worthy to begin with.

Once again, Hokulele reads my mind before I do!

IOW, what she said goes for me, too. I don't post anything online that I wouldn't put on a downtown billboard, but I wouldn't like to be quote-mined to create a strawman, quoted out of context or ... heavily ... ellipsied.

Tricky · 16th March 2008, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by DmKrispin

...Hokulele... goes for me... heavily ...

More Lesbian propaganda!

UnrepentantSinner · 16th March 2008, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

In a slightly related question, whatever happened to that lawsuit by the guy who claimed he had been slandered on the forum? Wasn't he trying to sue some of the forum persona, though not even knowing who they were?

I've even succumbed to the whine of libel/slander on this forum, but only due to frustration because I knew that any complaint about character damage would frivilous at best and pathetic at worst. While I'm not a lawyer or legal scholar, apart from stalker crap that goes on with sites like Facebook, Myspace, etc., everything I say here has the legal weight of me standing on a street corner shouting at people for wearing the wrong clothes.

Again, that's just how I look at it, I'd plead differently in court if.. oh crap, this post will serve as evidence against me... I've said too much.

Originally Posted by Tricky

More Lesbian propaganda!

Soooo tempting... but I got your girlfriend for her mockery of me above in the Quote out of context thread. DmKrispin gets a pass.

Wowbagger · 16th March 2008, 08:17 AM

I don't know if I've conversed with you, very much, but: You can feel free to quote anything I have written on this forum, with the condition that I be notified of its usage before it goes to print, and you should give me the opportunity to object to its usage, if I see fit.
Though, I tend to be a relatively easy-going fellow: There are very few reasons I would object to being quoted.

JWideman · 16th March 2008, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

I don't think anybody has any copyright claims to anything they write here. It is already in the public domain. Moreover, most of us are anonymous so it would be hard for us to insist that any person's reputation was being harmed by the misuse of our forum persona's words. At best, the owners of the forum might be able to claim some right to ownership of what is posted here.

While it is nice of ACS to ask our permission, I don't think that he has to, legally speaking.

In a slightly related question, whatever happened to that lawsuit by the guy who claimed he had been slandered on the forum? Wasn't he trying to sue some of the forum persona, though not even knowing who they were?

You can only put stuff into the public domain by explicitly stating so.

Now, then, unless ACS has written books before, I highly doubt he is going to do so now. Everyone is always planning to write a book. Many people even start one. Only some actually finish it. Very few manage to get a publisher involved. With that in mind, how can I possibly turn him down?

rocketdodger · 16th March 2008, 10:23 AM

Do you even need to ask permission? Unless there is something on the forum rules you signed off on when you started the account, everything we say here is already public domain, right?

phrenicgermal · 16th March 2008, 10:23 AM

Absolutely not.

rocketdodger · 16th March 2008, 10:24 AM

oops I see someone already got to that point... nm

Steven Howard · 16th March 2008, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

I don't think anybody has any copyright claims to anything they write here. It is already in the public domain.

While it is nice of ACS to ask our permission, I don't think that he has to, legally speaking.

Yes they do, no it isn't, and yes he does.

See the Registration Agreement:

Originally Posted by Darat

Copyright

Any post or article published on the JREF forum by a Member is the copyright of the Member and may not be reproduced, copied or otherwise re-published without the express permission of the Member. By posting on the Forum a Member grants the JREF a non-exclusive licence to publish, republish or reproduce their work, in its entirety or as the JREF sees fit, in perpetuity. The James Randi Educational Foundation is the copyright holder of the JREF Forum.

Ladewig · 16th March 2008, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Steven Howard

Yes they do, no it isn't, and yes he does.

See the Registration Agreement:

Once again, the RTFM philosophy proves its worth.

Pato2747 · 16th March 2008, 10:55 AM

Yes, AS LONG as you notify me and I approve of the quotes and the context.

Roadtoad · 16th March 2008, 10:55 AM

No.

Darth Rotor · 16th March 2008, 10:57 AM

My yes is conditioned upon the following:

As a source, I am to be quoted as

"An internet madman whose status as Dark Jedi/Sith makes it far too dangerous for me to provoke."

PM me for further details.

DR

Darth Rotor · 16th March 2008, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

Not that I am assuming I am quote-worthy to begin with.

But you are, my dear pineapple and boudin casserole princess, you are.

DR

DOC · 16th March 2008, 11:10 AM

Yea, you can quote me. Good luck on the book.

Hokulele · 16th March 2008, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

But you are, my dear pineapple and boudin casserole princess, you are.

DR

Pineapple and boudin casserole? Um, ick?

(Have you gotten into the Guinness a day early?

And if you have not already done so, check out Minadin's Guinness-based onion soup recipe in the 9/11 Debunking thread in Community. Yummy!)

14th March 2008, 09:08 PM	#1
A Christian Sceptic Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: I'm a male! Posts: 2,288	I'm thinking of writing a book - can I quote you? I've really enjoyed much of your witty banter and posts and really appreciated some of the great ideas many of you have. I'm playing around with writing a book. I don't have the complete specifics down as I'm still deciding whether I want to write this. But I thought I'd throw this out to see what sort of responses I get. Since you all are technically owners of the posts you make I wanted to get permission to quote you. If I can't get permission or you don't want to give it to me I still might write the book but just generalize, but that wouldn't be as personal. It's going to be a nonfiction book aimed for Christians who might be interested in reading some of your great arguments and thoughts and observations along with some of my own impressions and knowledge gained while hanging with you all. Anyway - if you have taken part in any exchanges with me or threads I've been involved in and won't mind me quoting you and referring to your Screen Name respond to this thread with a YES. Otherwise respond with NO or no response.
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14th March 2008, 09:15 PM	#2
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,265	I can offer a conditional YES. I would want to see how my posts are being used in context, as I can think of several things I may have said on one of your threads that, if context is lost, may sound like I am arguing the opposite of my real opinion. I do not mean to suggest that you are likely to quote mine or quote out of context, but I absolutely hate it when my words are used in a manner that makes them likely to be misconstrued, and have seen it happen unintentionally.
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14th March 2008, 09:41 PM	#3
Madalch The Jester Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The wet coast. Posts: 8,698	What Hokulele said. I can't think of anything I've posted that you might want to quote, let alone out of context, but just in case.
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15th March 2008, 12:37 AM	#4
dglas Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,322	No. I usually very carefully consider what I say and how I say it. The danger of being misrepresented is simply too high. If I want my stuff in a book, I'll write it myself. Thanks for the offer, though. What is this "respond with no response" thingy you speak of? Will it help us... Win Powerball!!!
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15th March 2008, 01:36 AM	#5
Bluefire Thinker Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Linköping, Sweden Posts: 162	I do not have anything principally against being quoted. But since any posts here are written "quickly" without being overly careful I have a caveat: I would want know of any quotes taken from me here, and to have the opportunity of phrasing something more careful, if I am not happy with having a particular formulation printed in a book.
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15th March 2008, 07:32 AM	#6
godless dave Great Dalmuti Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: St. Paul, Minnesota Posts: 6,123	Yes. Also feel free to PM me.

15th March 2008, 07:46 AM	#7
Beth Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Flatland Posts: 5,307	Sure
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15th March 2008, 09:10 AM	#8
A Christian Sceptic Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: I'm a male! Posts: 2,288	Originally Posted by Hokulele I can offer a conditional YES. I would want to see how my posts are being used in context, as I can think of several things I may have said on one of your threads that, if context is lost, may sound like I am arguing the opposite of my real opinion. I do not mean to suggest that you are likely to quote mine or quote out of context, but I absolutely hate it when my words are used in a manner that makes them likely to be misconstrued, and have seen it happen unintentionally. If I quote you I'd put a footnote where someone should be able to find the quote online and check for themselves whether it's in context. Mainly I want to organize peoples answers in such a way where the reader can draw their own conclusions of any significance of what anyone said. I know I've drawn some of my own conclusions on certain things and will obviously sometimes share those. But I'd be making sure the reader understood those were only my opinions. I can assure that my intent is more of an attempt to show the diversity amongst Atheists views then any sort of argument against Atheist views. There was so much good information that people have shared, but it's rather a pain to surf through the silliness and derails. So I'm more writing this for myself and maybe someone else will find it interesting.
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15th March 2008, 09:46 AM	#9
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,345	Originally Posted by A Christian Sceptic I can assure that my intent is more of an attempt to show the diversity amongst Atheists views then any sort of argument against Atheist views. I think that's good. I dislike it when people are lumped into one big group, be it atheist or Christian. From what I can tell, you truly are a Christian Skeptic. There is an incredible variety of beliefs out there and they change every time somebody has a new thought, so I support any effort to prevent stereotyping. It is a buffet. It is foolish, in my opinion, not to taste lots of different things.

15th March 2008, 10:29 AM	#10
Fnord Metasyntactic Variable Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 6,633	Quote: "I'm thinking of writing a book - can I quote you?" -- Christian Sceptic. No. Never. Not at all. No way - no how. Neither in whole or in part. Clear enough?
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15th March 2008, 11:00 AM	#11
neltana Critical Thinker Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 351	I can't imagine why you would want to quote me, since I'm not an atheist. But since I've taken part in threads with you, it isn't outside the realm of possibility, I suppose. Yes, you can quote my typo-prone and bizarre posts for the purpose of discussion and criticism. Of course, some degree of quoting would be allowable under "fair use" anyways. At least, as far as US law goes...I think. Better to get explicit permission, though.
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15th March 2008, 11:11 AM	#12
-Fran- Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,581	It depends... I would say...
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15th March 2008, 10:00 PM	#13
Safe-Keeper Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sogndal, Norway Posts: 7,123	Nope.

15th March 2008, 10:08 PM	#14
ImaginalDisc Proactive Untwister of Octagonal Hippopotamus Pants Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 10,225	No. ETA: I think you deserve an explanation. You are a slippery, artfully dodging weasel incapable of answering a question directly or representing anyone honestly. You are so untrustworthy that if you told me it was raining, I would look outside.
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15th March 2008, 10:16 PM	#15
JoeEllison Cuddly Like a Koala Bear Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 7,276	No. Not that I expect that you'd find much of what I've posted to be quote-worthy, but I also don't consider you to be a particularly trustworthy person, or one who possesses a large measure of integrity. I believe that you will take any opportunity to twist and manipulate the words of people who disagree with your position, in order to make your position look better.

15th March 2008, 10:26 PM	#16
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Within smelling distance of the Grammar Death Camps Posts: 13,928	I'm amazed at the noes! if you don't want to be quoted, why the hell are you posting on a public forum? ACS, if you find anything worth quoting me on, go ahead. Also feel free to scam as much as you like from my site/s if you're interested.
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15th March 2008, 10:34 PM	#17
ImaginalDisc Proactive Untwister of Octagonal Hippopotamus Pants Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 10,225	Originally Posted by The Atheist Also feel free to scam as much as you like from my site/s if you're interested. Emphasis added. How appropriate.
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16th March 2008, 01:04 AM	#18
Mobyseven President of Covert-Ops Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Not the Rat. Posts: 5,672	A conditional yes, as per Hokulele. If you want to quote me, I'll want to know how my words are being used.
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16th March 2008, 01:20 AM	#19
Gilmar Muse Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: From the desert to the sea. Posts: 564	No, and you can quote me on that.
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16th March 2008, 01:43 AM	#20
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,351	Everything I've written on BBSs is public domain AFAIC.
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16th March 2008, 01:50 AM	#21
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,265	Originally Posted by A Christian Sceptic If I quote you I'd put a footnote where someone should be able to find the quote online and check for themselves whether it's in context. Mainly I want to organize peoples answers in such a way where the reader can draw their own conclusions of any significance of what anyone said. I know I've drawn some of my own conclusions on certain things and will obviously sometimes share those. But I'd be making sure the reader understood those were only my opinions. I can assure that my intent is more of an attempt to show the diversity amongst Atheists views then any sort of argument against Atheist views. There was so much good information that people have shared, but it's rather a pain to surf through the silliness and derails. So I'm more writing this for myself and maybe someone else will find it interesting. Again, I would prefer to see the work prior to release. AFAIK, this is a common request when quotes are used. It is not that I do not trust you per se, but that you have demonstrated in the past a different understanding of what I have written than what I intended. I would prefer that my writings show my intentions. If you are not comfortable sharing your book before publication, that is fine, but in that case I would prefer not be quoted. Not that I am assuming I am quote-worthy to begin with. Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner Everything I've written on BBSs is public domain AFAIC. Yes and no. If ACS plans this to be a profit-making venture, the public domain issue becomes tricky depending on jurisdiction. Then again, IANAL.
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16th March 2008, 03:12 AM	#22
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,351	Originally Posted by Hokulele Yes and no. If ACS plans this to be a profit-making venture, the public domain issue becomes tricky depending on jurisdiction. Then again, IANAL. Hence the "as far as I'm concerned". I make no copywrite claim to anything I post on BBSs, it's just there. Not that I think ACS wants to quote anything I've written here, I'm just noting I have a lassaiz-faire attitude towards the use of my writing.
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16th March 2008, 03:14 AM	#23
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,265	Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner Hence the "as far as I'm concerned". I make no copywrite claim to anything I post on BBSs, it's just there. Not that I think ACS wants to quote anything I've written here, I'm just noting I have a lassaiz-faire attitude towards the use of my writing. I originally read this as "a lassaiz-faire attitude towards my writing", and was about to agree with you.
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16th March 2008, 07:27 AM	#24
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,345	Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner Hence the "as far as I'm concerned". I make no copyright claim to anything I post on BBSs, it's just there. Not that I think ACS wants to quote anything I've written here, I'm just noting I have a lassaiz-faire attitude toward the use of my writing. I don't think anybody has any copyright claims to anything they write here. It is already in the public domain. Moreover, most of us are anonymous so it would be hard for us to insist that any person's reputation was being harmed by the misuse of our forum persona's words. At best, the owners of the forum might be able to claim some right to ownership of what is posted here. While it is nice of ACS to ask our permission, I don't think that he has to, legally speaking. In a slightly related question, whatever happened to that lawsuit by the guy who claimed he had been slandered on the forum? Wasn't he trying to sue some of the forum persona, though not even knowing who they were?

16th March 2008, 07:44 AM	#25
PrincessIneffabelle I'm not godless, I'm god-free Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,421	Originally Posted by Hokulele Again, I would prefer to see the work prior to release. AFAIK, this is a common request when quotes are used. It is not that I do not trust you per se, but that you have demonstrated in the past a different understanding of what I have written than what I intended. I would prefer that my writings show my intentions. If you are not comfortable sharing your book before publication, that is fine, but in that case I would prefer not be quoted. Not that I am assuming I am quote-worthy to begin with. Once again, Hokulele reads my mind before I do! IOW, what she said goes for me, too. I don't post anything online that I wouldn't put on a downtown billboard, but I wouldn't like to be quote-mined to create a strawman, quoted out of context or ... heavily ... ellipsied.
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16th March 2008, 07:49 AM	#26
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,345	Originally Posted by DmKrispin ...Hokulele... goes for me... heavily ... More Lesbian propaganda!

16th March 2008, 08:06 AM	#27
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,351	Originally Posted by Tricky In a slightly related question, whatever happened to that lawsuit by the guy who claimed he had been slandered on the forum? Wasn't he trying to sue some of the forum persona, though not even knowing who they were? I've even succumbed to the whine of libel/slander on this forum, but only due to frustration because I knew that any complaint about character damage would frivilous at best and pathetic at worst. While I'm not a lawyer or legal scholar, apart from stalker crap that goes on with sites like Facebook, Myspace, etc., everything I say here has the legal weight of me standing on a street corner shouting at people for wearing the wrong clothes. Again, that's just how I look at it, I'd plead differently in court if.. oh crap, this post will serve as evidence against me... I've said too much. Originally Posted by Tricky More Lesbian propaganda! Soooo tempting... but I got your girlfriend for her mockery of me above in the Quote out of context thread. DmKrispin gets a pass.
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16th March 2008, 08:17 AM	#28
Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Westchester County, NY (when not in space) Posts: 13,505	I don't know if I've conversed with you, very much, but: You can feel free to quote anything I have written on this forum, with the condition that I be notified of its usage before it goes to print, and you should give me the opportunity to object to its usage, if I see fit. Though, I tend to be a relatively easy-going fellow: There are very few reasons I would object to being quoted.
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16th March 2008, 08:19 AM	#29
JWideman Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,241	Originally Posted by Tricky I don't think anybody has any copyright claims to anything they write here. It is already in the public domain. Moreover, most of us are anonymous so it would be hard for us to insist that any person's reputation was being harmed by the misuse of our forum persona's words. At best, the owners of the forum might be able to claim some right to ownership of what is posted here. While it is nice of ACS to ask our permission, I don't think that he has to, legally speaking. In a slightly related question, whatever happened to that lawsuit by the guy who claimed he had been slandered on the forum? Wasn't he trying to sue some of the forum persona, though not even knowing who they were? You can only put stuff into the public domain by explicitly stating so. Now, then, unless ACS has written books before, I highly doubt he is going to do so now. Everyone is always planning to write a book. Many people even start one. Only some actually finish it. Very few manage to get a publisher involved. With that in mind, how can I possibly turn him down?

16th March 2008, 10:23 AM	#30
rocketdodger Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hyperion Posts: 6,668	Do you even need to ask permission? Unless there is something on the forum rules you signed off on when you started the account, everything we say here is already public domain, right?

16th March 2008, 10:23 AM	#31
phrenicgermal Scholar Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 97	Absolutely not.
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16th March 2008, 10:24 AM	#32
rocketdodger Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hyperion Posts: 6,668	oops I see someone already got to that point... nm

16th March 2008, 10:41 AM	#33
Steven Howard Custom Title Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Long Beach, California Posts: 1,798	Originally Posted by Tricky I don't think anybody has any copyright claims to anything they write here. It is already in the public domain. While it is nice of ACS to ask our permission, I don't think that he has to, legally speaking. Yes they do, no it isn't, and yes he does. See the Registration Agreement: Originally Posted by Darat Copyright Any post or article published on the JREF forum by a Member is the copyright of the Member and may not be reproduced, copied or otherwise re-published without the express permission of the Member. By posting on the Forum a Member grants the JREF a non-exclusive licence to publish, republish or reproduce their work, in its entirety or as the JREF sees fit, in perpetuity. The James Randi Educational Foundation is the copyright holder of the JREF Forum.
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16th March 2008, 10:53 AM	#34
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,791	Originally Posted by Steven Howard Yes they do, no it isn't, and yes he does. See the Registration Agreement: Once again, the RTFM philosophy proves its worth.
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16th March 2008, 10:55 AM	#35
Pato2747 DEFINITELY not a paid disinfo agent Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 259	Yes, AS LONG as you notify me and I approve of the quotes and the context.