[Moderated]List Of NYC Firefighters Who Think Bombs Brought Down The Towers

WildCat · 24th March 2008, 07:19 AM

In another thread Dictator Cheney, in an attempt to show that firefighters know there were bombs in the towers, wrote:

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

sure it come from the scene, like the firefighters.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/a...radeCenter.pdf

So this thread is for him or any other truther to list the names of firefighters on the scene who believe it was bombs that caused the towers to collapse and killed hundreds of their fellow firefighters.

Ready? Go!

DC · 24th March 2008, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

In another thread Dictator Cheney, in an attempt to show that firefighters know there were bombs in the towers, wrote:

So this thread is for him or any other truther to list the names of firefighters on the scene who believe it was bombs that caused the towers to collapse and killed hundreds of their fellow firefighters.

Ready? Go!

you claimed "None of these firefighters belive bombs brought down the towers"
can you backup that claim?

WildCat · 24th March 2008, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

you claimed "None of these firefighters belive bombs brought down the towers"
can you backup that claim?

Please list them, can you do that?

fuelair · 24th March 2008, 07:23 AM

None, I am guessing. But, I am predjudiced in that I was watching the news from shortly after the announcement of the first hit - and fireman are generally intelligent - other than that rushing into burning buildings to save people thing which needs more than intelligence.

DC · 24th March 2008, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Please list them, can you do that?

you claimed non of them belives that bombs brought down the towers. i never claimed they belive that or belive the contrary.
so its actually up to you to backup your claim, you claimed that none of them blives that. so i guess you have interviews with those ppl where they clearly state, they dont belive it, or atleast interviews that reflect theyr belives.

DC · 24th March 2008, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

None, I am guessing. But, I am predjudiced in that I was watching the news from shortly after the announcement of the first hit - and fireman are generally intelligent - other than that rushing into burning buildings to save people thing which needs more than intelligence.

those ppl can estimate the risk very well, and even at high risk they risk theyr lives daily for a lousy payment, but they do because they belive/know its the right thing to do.

boloboffin · 24th March 2008, 07:27 AM

The claim is yours, DictatorCheney. Please read the OP again.

WildCat · 24th March 2008, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

you claimed non of them belives that bombs brought down the towers. i never claimed they belive that or belive the contrary.
so its actually up to you to backup your claim, you claimed that none of them blives that. so i guess you have interviews with those ppl where they clearly state, they dont belive it, or atleast interviews that reflect theyr belives.

Is it your contention that they do believe there were bombs in the towers, but don't care enough to bother bringing their claims public?

DC · 24th March 2008, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Is it your contention that they do believe there were bombs in the towers, but don't care enough to bother bringing their claims public?

no, i never said that they do belive bombs brought down the towers. i did not even claim what they heard where indeed bombs or explosives.

your anwer to my link to the testimonies that reported explosions and such, was your claim that none of them belives the towers was brought down with bombs.

not me claiming anything , its actually you that claimed something. something you cannot backup most propably.

WildCat · 24th March 2008, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

no, i never said that they do belive bombs brought down the towers. i did not even claim what they heard where indeed bombs or explosives.

your anwer to my link to the testimonies that reported explosions and such, was your claim that none of them belives the towers was brought down with bombs.

not me claiming anything , its actually you that claimed something. something you cannot backup most propably.

Let's recap:

Originally Posted by MarkyX

Problem is the information about 9/11 didn't come from Bush's mouth. It came from people who were at crash sites: scientists, investigators, clean up crew, and eyewitnesses.

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

no really, i thaught already that the witness report of a guy that claims to have seen the first impact in tv, and after second hit, he keeps reading books with kids. was not very usefull indeed.

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

sure it come from the scene, like the firefighters.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/a...radeCenter.pdf

You are claiming that everything we know about 9/11 is from what the government (Bush) tells us, while I and others were contending that most of it comes from other sources. You then link to a JONES paper which attempts to show that firefighters heard explosions, and that these explosions were what really brought down the towers - the implied assumption is that the explosions were bombs.

So why aren't there any firefighters who were on the scene who assert that bombs brought down the towers?

DC · 24th March 2008, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Let's recap:

You are claiming that everything we know about 9/11 is from what the government (Bush) tells us, while I and others were contending that most of it comes from other sources. You then link to a JONES paper which attempts to show that firefighters heard explosions, and that these explosions were what really brought down the towers - the implied assumption is that the explosions were bombs.

So why aren't there any firefighters who were on the scene who assert that bombs brought down the towers?

th government = bush ?
not for me. The Gevernment has no official theory as such. what is considered the officil theory is FEMA NIST NTSB 9/11-Commission reports.
and the 9/11 Commission is the one report covering all the events of 9/11, more or less.

i have no clue why you think i would claim that all those firefighters that reported things that sounded like explosions, actually belive the towers where brought down with bombs.

actually i know only of 1 firefighter , John schroeder, that claims the towers was brought down in a controlled demolition. and i dont even know if that guy in that interview is a firefighter. thats why i normaly dont bring him up in a debate. and in regards of your claim, he is not on the list of "explosive" testimonies.

but still you claimed none of them belives it. and i wonder on what you base that on.
i got asked for evidence here often already, now i do it. what is your evidence for your claim "none of them belives the towers was brought down by bombs"

because none of those ppl came out and sayd they belive it? or can you really backup that claim?

WildCat · 24th March 2008, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

i have no clue why you think i would claim that all those firefighters that reported things that sounded like explosions, actually belive the towers where brought down with bombs.

It's the truth movement that claims the explosions firefighters heard were bombs.

Quote:

because none of those ppl came out and sayd they belive it? or can you really backup that claim?

I can't prove a negative. Should be simple to list those who claim bombs brought down the towers, yes?

DC · 24th March 2008, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

It's the truth movement that claims the explosions firefighters heard were bombs.

I can't prove a negative. Should be simple to list those who claim bombs brought down the towers, yes?

but to claim non of those ppl belive the towers was brought down by bombs was ok?
you dont know what they belive. i really wonder why you claimed it.
afaik none of those ppl came public and claimed the towers was brought down by bombs.

Bananaman · 24th March 2008, 08:46 AM

DictatorCheney, I don't often have a go at people for the way they write, but can you please learn to do so.

Throw away your cell phone, stop using text speak, buy a dictionary and stop giving us all a headache. OK?

Bananaman.

WildCat · 24th March 2008, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

but to claim non of those ppl belive the towers was brought down by bombs was ok?
you dont know what they belive. i really wonder why you claimed it.
afaik none of those ppl came public and claimed the towers was brought down by bombs.

Let me rephrase that: I have no evidence that any firefighters there that day think there were bombs in the towers. Happy?

Now, do you have evidence that any do think there were?

DC · 24th March 2008, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Let me rephrase that: I have no evidence that any firefighters there that day think there were bombs in the towers. Happy?

Now, do you have evidence that any do think there were?

like i sayd, no i have not, i never claimed it.

DC · 24th March 2008, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Bananaman

DictatorCheney, I don't often have a go at people for the way they write, but can you please learn to do so.

Throw away your cell phone, stop using text speak, buy a dictionary and stop giving us all a headache. OK?

Bananaman.

english is not my first lang.
i hate sms.
online dictionarys are faster and for free.
ignore my posts when you cant understand it. im sorry. my english is only as good as it is, not good

WildCat · 24th March 2008, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

like i sayd, no i have not, i never claimed it.

So you don't think there were bombs in the towers, or you do think there were bombs but all the people there somehow didn't notice them?

Dumb All Over · 24th March 2008, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

....
actually i know only of 1 firefighter , John schroeder, that claims the towers was brought down in a controlled demolition....

Without reviewing that video of a firefighter complaining of the treatment all firefighters received after 9-11, I don't actually recall if John Schroeder ever said any such thing. Please correct me if I'm wrong and point to the section where he says the buildings collapsed by means of controlled demolition.

TC329 · 24th March 2008, 09:16 AM

here's a hero some scumbags won't pass up the opportunity to attack :

On the morning of September 11, 2005, New York City auxiliary fire lieutenant Paul Isaac, Jr. admitted that 9-11 was an inside job. “I know 9-11 was an inside job, the police know it’s an inside job, and the firemen know it too.”

“New York firemen were very upset by what they considered a cover-up in the WTC destruction. Many other firemen knew there were bombs in the buildings,’ he said, ‘but they are afraid for their jobs to admit it because the higher-ups forbid discussion of this fact.’ Isaac, who was stationed at Engine 10 near the WTC in the late 1990s, said the higher-ups included the NYFD’s antiterrorism consultant, James Woolsey, a former CIA director. ‘There were definitely bombs in those buildings,’ Isaac added.”

“It’s amazing how many people are afraid to talk for fear of retaliation or losing their jobs,”

WildCat · 24th March 2008, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Dumb All Over

Without reviewing that video of a firefighter complaining of the treatment all firefighters received after 9-11, I don't actually recall if John Schroeder ever said any such thing. Please correct me if I'm wrong and point to the section where he says the buildings collapsed by means of controlled demolition.

There's a video of him (interviewed by truthers) where he comes close, but doesn't actually say that. He comes across as suffering from PTSD to me, but I'm no psychiatrist. You can see the video on our favorite web site. Nearly 50 minutes long though...

WildCat · 24th March 2008, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by TC329

On the morning of September 11, 2005, New York City auxiliary fire lieutenant Paul Isaac, Jr. admitted that 9-11 was an inside job. “I know 9-11 was an inside job, the police know it’s an inside job, and the firemen know it too.”

We're very familiar with him, he used to post here under the name Sentinel. It would be a wonder if he managed to put a single coherent post together, but he was unable to in his time here.

TC329 · 24th March 2008, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

So you don't think there were bombs in the towers, or you do think there were bombs but all the people there somehow didn't notice them?

LOL....... I'm sure there were bombs just in the hallways around the building. I haven't been able to figure out why people didn't walk into their office that morning saying "Holy ****** Look at the size of that bomb in the corner!!!!! I don't recall that being there yesterday".............

Lucky for you there isn't any sort of common sense test required for membership here. I can't figure out why the Urban Movers didn't just put bombs out in the open for everyone to discover instead of the core personally.

Maybe if we could talk to Dominic Suter he could explain it to us but he fled the country and there has been no efforts to extradite him. Go Chertoff!!!

TC329 · 24th March 2008, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

We're very familiar with him, he used to post here under the name Sentinel. It would be a wonder if he managed to put a single coherent post together, but he was unable to in his time here.

Is he a liar?

TC329 · 24th March 2008, 09:24 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htTJOeSN0u8

Here are a few (of many) quotes taken from the Oral Histories put online by the NYTimes.

Feel free to point out any you claim I have taken out of context. In the 12 months it's been online no one has proven I have taken anything out of context or twisted the words or misrepresented the statements by various 9/11 heroes.

DC · 24th March 2008, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Dumb All Over

Without reviewing that video of a firefighter complaining of the treatment all firefighters received after 9-11, I don't actually recall if John Schroeder ever said any such thing. Please correct me if I'm wrong and point to the section where he says the buildings collapsed by means of controlled demolition.

i think your right, just watched the "highlights" again, and he doesnt say, only thing he says is something was not right here, about the collapse like he witnessed it and also the loby damage.

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=DBb00PQR1zo

Firestone · 24th March 2008, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by TC329

here's a hero some scumbags won't pass up the opportunity to attack :

On the morning of September 11, 2005, New York City auxiliary fire lieutenant Paul Isaac, Jr. admitted that 9-11 was an inside job. “I know 9-11 was an inside job, the police know it’s an inside job, and the firemen know it too.”

“New York firemen were very upset by what they considered a cover-up in the WTC destruction. Many other firemen knew there were bombs in the buildings,’ he said, ‘but they are afraid for their jobs to admit it because the higher-ups forbid discussion of this fact.’ Isaac, who was stationed at Engine 10 near the WTC in the late 1990s, said the higher-ups included the NYFD’s antiterrorism consultant, James Woolsey, a former CIA director. ‘There were definitely bombs in those buildings,’ Isaac added.”

“It’s amazing how many people are afraid to talk for fear of retaliation or losing their jobs,”

There are also "scumbags" (to use your delicate wording) who insinuate that almost all the NYPD en FDNY heroes will keep silent about the murder of hundreds of their colleagues, because "they are afraid for their jobs".

The ease with which truthers accuse others of being cowards or complicit with horrendous crimes, without a shred of evidence, will never cease to amaze me.

DC · 24th March 2008, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

So you don't think there were bombs in the towers, or you do think there were bombs but all the people there somehow didn't notice them?

yes i think the towers was brought down in a controlled demolition.

TC329 · 24th March 2008, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Firestone

There are also "scumbags" (to use your delicate wording) who insinuate that almost all the NYPD en FDNY heroes will keep silent about the murder of hundreds of their colleagues, because "they are afraid for their jobs".

The ease with which truthers accuse others of being cowards or complicit with horrendous crimes, without a shred of evidence, will never cease to amaze me.

Are you calling the man a liar or not?

Dumb All Over · 24th March 2008, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

There's a video of him (interviewed by truthers) where he comes close, but doesn't actually say that. He comes across as suffering from PTSD to me, but I'm no psychiatrist. You can see the video on our favorite web site. Nearly 50 minutes long though...

Thanks, WC. I did watch that video when it first came out. I watched it a couple of times. Avery's (and others') leading questions were disturbing to me. I felt they tried to corner John Schroeder and have him agree with some of their theories. Mr. Schroeder was almost willing to do so as long as Avery gave him a platform for his aftermath issues. Still, I don't believe Schroeder ever agreed to CD.

DavidJames · 24th March 2008, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by TC329

Are you calling the man a liar or not?

I believe people who accuse the NY police or fire departments of being complicit in the attacks on 9/11 without a shred of evidence are either mentally ill, charlatans or do not have the ability to think critically. I don't know you or the person you are referring to, but since neither of you have evidence, I believe both of you fit into one of those categories. So either provide your evidence or pick your category.

Firestone · 24th March 2008, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by TC329

Are you calling the man a liar or not?

I am not a truther, so I don't accuse without evidence.

All I can say is that the evidence proves Paul Isaac, Jr to be wrong.
There is no way for me to determine wether he is mistaken or lying.

You, on the other hand, accuse almost all the NYPD en FDNY heroes of being cowards or complicit with horrendous crimes, without a shred of evidence.

DC · 24th March 2008, 09:41 AM

when you look how the first responders and family members of 9/11 victims, that do question the official theory, are "judged" by the "OCTers" and ignored by the media. i think alot would think twice to go public.

Sabrina · 24th March 2008, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

when you look how the first responders and family members of 9/11 victims, that do question the official theory, are "judged" by the "OCTers" and ignored by the media. i think alot would think twice to go public.

Our issue is not that they "question the official theory" (by the way, can YOU tell us what the official theory is? Last we knew, there wasn't one particular one endorsed by any government entity.) but that they do so without the slightest shred of proof or evidence; merely "gut feelings" and "suspicions".

Gut feelings and suspicions do not an inside job make, my friend.

Bananaman · 24th March 2008, 09:48 AM

Quote:

english is not my first lang.
i hate sms.
online dictionarys are faster and for free.
ignore my posts when you cant understand it. im sorry. my english is only as good as it is, not good

OK, I apologise. If English is not your first language then you're not doing badly. Certainly better than I could do in French or German.

Just ditch the abbreviations.

Bananaman.

Jonnyclueless · 24th March 2008, 09:49 AM

OK, so we have 1. Any other takers?

DC · 24th March 2008, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by Bananaman

OK, I apologise. If English is not your first language then you're not doing badly. Certainly better than I could do in French or German.

Just ditch the abbreviations.

Bananaman.

no problem

TC329 · 24th March 2008, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by DavidJames

I believe people who accuse the NY police or fire departments of being complicit in the attacks on 9/11 without a shred of evidence are either mentally ill, charlatans or do not have the ability to think critically. I don't know you or the person you are referring to, but since neither of you have evidence, I believe both of you fit into one of those categories. So either provide your evidence or pick your category.

One of us is a 9/11 hero.
Both of us working for the heroes of 9/11 no one else will speak out for.

That out of the way if you have evidence Mr. Isaac or myself are accusing the NYPD and/or FDNY in complicity in the attacks I ask you to present it now.

TC329 · 24th March 2008, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Firestone

I am not a truther, so I don't accuse without evidence.

All I can say is that the evidence proves Paul Isaac, Jr to be wrong.
There is no way for me to determine wether he is mistaken or lying.

You, on the other hand, accuse almost all the NYPD en FDNY heroes of being cowards or complicit with horrendous crimes, without a shred of evidence.

I am not calling anyone a coward nor am I stating any NYPD and/or FDNY were complicit in the attacks.

Good Lt · 24th March 2008, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

yes i think the towers was brought down in a controlled demolition.

On what evidence do you base this fantasy?

Cite your evidence so that it can be reviewed. If your goal is to convince people of your claim, then refusing to cite evidence so that it can be examined and vetted by others is not going to win you converts (hence, the Troof cult's inherent fear of submitting papers to mainstream journals for peer review).

We're not just going to "take your word for it."

Put up the evidence you've gathered demonstrating a controlled demolition destroyed the Towers, or stop making the idiotic, baseless claims about it.

24th March 2008, 07:19 AM	#1
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,989	[Moderated]List Of NYC Firefighters Who Think Bombs Brought Down The Towers In another thread Dictator Cheney, in an attempt to show that firefighters know there were bombs in the towers, wrote: Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney sure it come from the scene, like the firefighters. http://www.journalof911studies.com/a...radeCenter.pdf So this thread is for him or any other truther to list the names of firefighters on the scene who believe it was bombs that caused the towers to collapse and killed hundreds of their fellow firefighters. Ready? Go!

24th March 2008, 07:23 AM	#4
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,911	None, I am guessing. But, I am predjudiced in that I was watching the news from shortly after the announcement of the first hit - and fireman are generally intelligent - other than that rushing into burning buildings to save people thing which needs more than intelligence.
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24th March 2008, 07:39 AM	#10
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,989	Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney no, i never said that they do belive bombs brought down the towers. i did not even claim what they heard where indeed bombs or explosives. your anwer to my link to the testimonies that reported explosions and such, was your claim that none of them belives the towers was brought down with bombs. not me claiming anything , its actually you that claimed something. something you cannot backup most propably. Let's recap: Originally Posted by MarkyX Problem is the information about 9/11 didn't come from Bush's mouth. It came from people who were at crash sites: scientists, investigators, clean up crew, and eyewitnesses. Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney no really, i thaught already that the witness report of a guy that claims to have seen the first impact in tv, and after second hit, he keeps reading books with kids. was not very usefull indeed. Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney sure it come from the scene, like the firefighters. http://www.journalof911studies.com/a...radeCenter.pdf You are claiming that everything we know about 9/11 is from what the government (Bush) tells us, while I and others were contending that most of it comes from other sources. You then link to a JONES paper which attempts to show that firefighters heard explosions, and that these explosions were what really brought down the towers - the implied assumption is that the explosions were bombs. So why aren't there any firefighters who were on the scene who assert that bombs brought down the towers?
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24th March 2008, 08:46 AM	#14
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24th March 2008, 09:14 AM	#19
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24th March 2008, 07:20 AM	#2
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,649	Originally Posted by WildCat In another thread Dictator Cheney, in an attempt to show that firefighters know there were bombs in the towers, wrote: So this thread is for him or any other truther to list the names of firefighters on the scene who believe it was bombs that caused the towers to collapse and killed hundreds of their fellow firefighters. Ready? Go! you claimed "None of these firefighters belive bombs brought down the towers" can you backup that claim?

24th March 2008, 07:22 AM	#3
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,989	Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney you claimed "None of these firefighters belive bombs brought down the towers" can you backup that claim? Please list them, can you do that?

24th March 2008, 07:24 AM	#5
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,649	Originally Posted by WildCat Please list them, can you do that? you claimed non of them belives that bombs brought down the towers. i never claimed they belive that or belive the contrary. so its actually up to you to backup your claim, you claimed that none of them blives that. so i guess you have interviews with those ppl where they clearly state, they dont belive it, or atleast interviews that reflect theyr belives.

24th March 2008, 07:26 AM	#6
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,649	Originally Posted by fuelair None, I am guessing. But, I am predjudiced in that I was watching the news from shortly after the announcement of the first hit - and fireman are generally intelligent - other than that rushing into burning buildings to save people thing which needs more than intelligence. those ppl can estimate the risk very well, and even at high risk they risk theyr lives daily for a lousy payment, but they do because they belive/know its the right thing to do.

24th March 2008, 07:27 AM	#7
boloboffin Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5,001	The claim is yours, DictatorCheney. Please read the OP again.

24th March 2008, 07:32 AM	#9
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,649	Originally Posted by WildCat Is it your contention that they do believe there were bombs in the towers, but don't care enough to bother bringing their claims public? no, i never said that they do belive bombs brought down the towers. i did not even claim what they heard where indeed bombs or explosives. your anwer to my link to the testimonies that reported explosions and such, was your claim that none of them belives the towers was brought down with bombs. not me claiming anything , its actually you that claimed something. something you cannot backup most propably.

24th March 2008, 07:55 AM	#11
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,649	Originally Posted by WildCat Let's recap: You are claiming that everything we know about 9/11 is from what the government (Bush) tells us, while I and others were contending that most of it comes from other sources. You then link to a JONES paper which attempts to show that firefighters heard explosions, and that these explosions were what really brought down the towers - the implied assumption is that the explosions were bombs. So why aren't there any firefighters who were on the scene who assert that bombs brought down the towers? th government = bush ? not for me. The Gevernment has no official theory as such. what is considered the officil theory is FEMA NIST NTSB 9/11-Commission reports. and the 9/11 Commission is the one report covering all the events of 9/11, more or less. i have no clue why you think i would claim that all those firefighters that reported things that sounded like explosions, actually belive the towers where brought down with bombs. actually i know only of 1 firefighter , John schroeder, that claims the towers was brought down in a controlled demolition. and i dont even know if that guy in that interview is a firefighter. thats why i normaly dont bring him up in a debate. and in regards of your claim, he is not on the list of "explosive" testimonies. but still you claimed none of them belives it. and i wonder on what you base that on. i got asked for evidence here often already, now i do it. what is your evidence for your claim "none of them belives the towers was brought down by bombs" because none of those ppl came out and sayd they belive it? or can you really backup that claim?

24th March 2008, 08:20 AM	#12
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,989	Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney i have no clue why you think i would claim that all those firefighters that reported things that sounded like explosions, actually belive the towers where brought down with bombs. It's the truth movement that claims the explosions firefighters heard were bombs. Quote: because none of those ppl came out and sayd they belive it? or can you really backup that claim? I can't prove a negative. Should be simple to list those who claim bombs brought down the towers, yes?

24th March 2008, 08:46 AM	#13
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,649	Originally Posted by WildCat It's the truth movement that claims the explosions firefighters heard were bombs. I can't prove a negative. Should be simple to list those who claim bombs brought down the towers, yes? but to claim non of those ppl belive the towers was brought down by bombs was ok? you dont know what they belive. i really wonder why you claimed it. afaik none of those ppl came public and claimed the towers was brought down by bombs.

24th March 2008, 08:53 AM	#15
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,989	Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney but to claim non of those ppl belive the towers was brought down by bombs was ok? you dont know what they belive. i really wonder why you claimed it. afaik none of those ppl came public and claimed the towers was brought down by bombs. Let me rephrase that: I have no evidence that any firefighters there that day think there were bombs in the towers. Happy? Now, do you have evidence that any do think there were?

24th March 2008, 09:00 AM	#16
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,649	Originally Posted by WildCat Let me rephrase that: I have no evidence that any firefighters there that day think there were bombs in the towers. Happy? Now, do you have evidence that any do think there were? like i sayd, no i have not, i never claimed it.

24th March 2008, 09:03 AM	#17
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,649	Originally Posted by Bananaman DictatorCheney, I don't often have a go at people for the way they write, but can you please learn to do so. Throw away your cell phone, stop using text speak, buy a dictionary and stop giving us all a headache. OK? Bananaman. english is not my first lang. i hate sms. online dictionarys are faster and for free. ignore my posts when you cant understand it. im sorry. my english is only as good as it is, not good

24th March 2008, 09:04 AM	#18
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,989	Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney like i sayd, no i have not, i never claimed it. So you don't think there were bombs in the towers, or you do think there were bombs but all the people there somehow didn't notice them?

24th March 2008, 09:16 AM	#20
TC329 Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,459	here's a hero some scumbags won't pass up the opportunity to attack : On the morning of September 11, 2005, New York City auxiliary fire lieutenant Paul Isaac, Jr. admitted that 9-11 was an inside job. “I know 9-11 was an inside job, the police know it’s an inside job, and the firemen know it too.” “New York firemen were very upset by what they considered a cover-up in the WTC destruction. Many other firemen knew there were bombs in the buildings,’ he said, ‘but they are afraid for their jobs to admit it because the higher-ups forbid discussion of this fact.’ Isaac, who was stationed at Engine 10 near the WTC in the late 1990s, said the higher-ups included the NYFD’s antiterrorism consultant, James Woolsey, a former CIA director. ‘There were definitely bombs in those buildings,’ Isaac added.” “It’s amazing how many people are afraid to talk for fear of retaliation or losing their jobs,”
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24th March 2008, 09:17 AM	#21
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,989	Originally Posted by Dumb All Over Without reviewing that video of a firefighter complaining of the treatment all firefighters received after 9-11, I don't actually recall if John Schroeder ever said any such thing. Please correct me if I'm wrong and point to the section where he says the buildings collapsed by means of controlled demolition. There's a video of him (interviewed by truthers) where he comes close, but doesn't actually say that. He comes across as suffering from PTSD to me, but I'm no psychiatrist. You can see the video on our favorite web site. Nearly 50 minutes long though...

24th March 2008, 09:19 AM	#22
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,989	Originally Posted by TC329 On the morning of September 11, 2005, New York City auxiliary fire lieutenant Paul Isaac, Jr. admitted that 9-11 was an inside job. “I know 9-11 was an inside job, the police know it’s an inside job, and the firemen know it too.” We're very familiar with him, he used to post here under the name Sentinel. It would be a wonder if he managed to put a single coherent post together, but he was unable to in his time here.

24th March 2008, 09:19 AM	#23
TC329 Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,459	Originally Posted by WildCat So you don't think there were bombs in the towers, or you do think there were bombs but all the people there somehow didn't notice them? LOL....... I'm sure there were bombs just in the hallways around the building. I haven't been able to figure out why people didn't walk into their office that morning saying "Holy ****** Look at the size of that bomb in the corner!!!!! I don't recall that being there yesterday"............. Lucky for you there isn't any sort of common sense test required for membership here. I can't figure out why the Urban Movers didn't just put bombs out in the open for everyone to discover instead of the core personally. Maybe if we could talk to Dominic Suter he could explain it to us but he fled the country and there has been no efforts to extradite him. Go Chertoff!!!
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24th March 2008, 09:21 AM	#24
TC329 Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,459	Originally Posted by WildCat We're very familiar with him, he used to post here under the name Sentinel. It would be a wonder if he managed to put a single coherent post together, but he was unable to in his time here. Is he a liar?
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24th March 2008, 09:24 AM	#25
TC329 Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,459	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htTJOeSN0u8 Here are a few (of many) quotes taken from the Oral Histories put online by the NYTimes. Feel free to point out any you claim I have taken out of context. In the 12 months it's been online no one has proven I have taken anything out of context or twisted the words or misrepresented the statements by various 9/11 heroes.
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24th March 2008, 09:25 AM	#26
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,649	Originally Posted by Dumb All Over Without reviewing that video of a firefighter complaining of the treatment all firefighters received after 9-11, I don't actually recall if John Schroeder ever said any such thing. Please correct me if I'm wrong and point to the section where he says the buildings collapsed by means of controlled demolition. i think your right, just watched the "highlights" again, and he doesnt say, only thing he says is something was not right here, about the collapse like he witnessed it and also the loby damage. http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=DBb00PQR1zo

24th March 2008, 09:25 AM	#27
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,493	Originally Posted by TC329 here's a hero some scumbags won't pass up the opportunity to attack : On the morning of September 11, 2005, New York City auxiliary fire lieutenant Paul Isaac, Jr. admitted that 9-11 was an inside job. “I know 9-11 was an inside job, the police know it’s an inside job, and the firemen know it too.” “New York firemen were very upset by what they considered a cover-up in the WTC destruction. Many other firemen knew there were bombs in the buildings,’ he said, ‘but they are afraid for their jobs to admit it because the higher-ups forbid discussion of this fact.’ Isaac, who was stationed at Engine 10 near the WTC in the late 1990s, said the higher-ups included the NYFD’s antiterrorism consultant, James Woolsey, a former CIA director. ‘There were definitely bombs in those buildings,’ Isaac added.” “It’s amazing how many people are afraid to talk for fear of retaliation or losing their jobs,” There are also "scumbags" (to use your delicate wording) who insinuate that almost all the NYPD en FDNY heroes will keep silent about the murder of hundreds of their colleagues, because "they are afraid for their jobs". The ease with which truthers accuse others of being cowards or complicit with horrendous crimes, without a shred of evidence, will never cease to amaze me.
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24th March 2008, 09:27 AM	#28
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,649	Originally Posted by WildCat So you don't think there were bombs in the towers, or you do think there were bombs but all the people there somehow didn't notice them? yes i think the towers was brought down in a controlled demolition.

24th March 2008, 09:28 AM	#29
TC329 Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,459	Originally Posted by Firestone There are also "scumbags" (to use your delicate wording) who insinuate that almost all the NYPD en FDNY heroes will keep silent about the murder of hundreds of their colleagues, because "they are afraid for their jobs". The ease with which truthers accuse others of being cowards or complicit with horrendous crimes, without a shred of evidence, will never cease to amaze me. Are you calling the man a liar or not?
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24th March 2008, 09:30 AM	#30
Dumb All Over A Little Ugly on the Side Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: They call it the Earth (which is a dumb kinda name) Posts: 3,692	Originally Posted by WildCat There's a video of him (interviewed by truthers) where he comes close, but doesn't actually say that. He comes across as suffering from PTSD to me, but I'm no psychiatrist. You can see the video on our favorite web site. Nearly 50 minutes long though... Thanks, WC. I did watch that video when it first came out. I watched it a couple of times. Avery's (and others') leading questions were disturbing to me. I felt they tried to corner John Schroeder and have him agree with some of their theories. Mr. Schroeder was almost willing to do so as long as Avery gave him a platform for his aftermath issues. Still, I don't believe Schroeder ever agreed to CD.
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24th March 2008, 09:35 AM	#31
DavidJames Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Front Range, CO Posts: 7,084	Originally Posted by TC329 Are you calling the man a liar or not? I believe people who accuse the NY police or fire departments of being complicit in the attacks on 9/11 without a shred of evidence are either mentally ill, charlatans or do not have the ability to think critically. I don't know you or the person you are referring to, but since neither of you have evidence, I believe both of you fit into one of those categories. So either provide your evidence or pick your category.

24th March 2008, 09:37 AM	#32
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,493	Originally Posted by TC329 Are you calling the man a liar or not? I am not a truther, so I don't accuse without evidence. All I can say is that the evidence proves Paul Isaac, Jr to be wrong. There is no way for me to determine wether he is mistaken or lying. You, on the other hand, accuse almost all the NYPD en FDNY heroes of being cowards or complicit with horrendous crimes, without a shred of evidence.
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24th March 2008, 09:41 AM	#33
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,649	when you look how the first responders and family members of 9/11 victims, that do question the official theory, are "judged" by the "OCTers" and ignored by the media. i think alot would think twice to go public.

24th March 2008, 09:47 AM	#34
Sabrina Wicked Lovely Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spinning through space Posts: 6,870	Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney when you look how the first responders and family members of 9/11 victims, that do question the official theory, are "judged" by the "OCTers" and ignored by the media. i think alot would think twice to go public. Our issue is not that they "question the official theory" (by the way, can YOU tell us what the official theory is? Last we knew, there wasn't one particular one endorsed by any government entity.) but that they do so without the slightest shred of proof or evidence; merely "gut feelings" and "suspicions". Gut feelings and suspicions do not an inside job make, my friend.
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24th March 2008, 09:48 AM	#35
Bananaman Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 299	Quote: english is not my first lang. i hate sms. online dictionarys are faster and for free. ignore my posts when you cant understand it. im sorry. my english is only as good as it is, not good OK, I apologise. If English is not your first language then you're not doing badly. Certainly better than I could do in French or German. Just ditch the abbreviations. Bananaman.
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24th March 2008, 09:49 AM	#36
Jonnyclueless Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,360	OK, so we have 1. Any other takers?