Should I be a little nicer to debunkers?

[parky76]

Originally Posted by Tweeter

Why are most debunkers foreigners?
* waits for the sock accounts to rush in and dismiss this claim

Who you callin a foreigner, Willis?

I was born here. My mom was born here. My grandma was born here.

I'm no foreigner.

[VespaGuy]

Originally Posted by LastChild

[...] right wing apologist [...] neo-con spin [...] gate keeper [...] so-called experts [...] pseudoskepticism [...] NISTian [..] Truth movement [...]

Bingo!! Bingo!!!

Is anyone else playing Truther-Bingo? Just one of LCs post is enough to win!!

All I need is "NWO", "Zionist" and "Sheeple" to cover my whole card!

[LastChild]

Originally Posted by fuelair

There is no reason, I assure you, to believe we think troofers are elite - they are so not elite it reaches to the point of their conclusively having been shown to be common morons. Hopefully this will help allay your fears on this matter.

I wasn't talking about Truthers there. I was talking about some on the Left who try to pretend that their dismissal of any need for further investigation into 9/11 is a validation that their other problems with the Bush administration are founded.

[defaultdotxbe]

Originally Posted by VespaGuy

Bingo!! Bingo!!!

Is anyone else playing Truther-Bingo? Just one of LCs post is enough to win!!

All I need is "NWO", "Zionist" and "Sheeple" to cover my whole card!

i was only a "bush-lover" away from a diagonal

[Brainache]

Originally Posted by LastChild

I wasn't talking about Truthers there. I was talking about some on the Left who try to pretend that their dismissal of any need for further investigation into 9/11 is a validation that their other problems with the Bush administration are founded.

Are you saying that if 9/11 was not an inside job, then any other concerns about the actions and policies of the Bush administration can be dismissed?

If so, I don't think many here would agree with you.

[gc051360]

Oh...I get it. I see what you did with the thread title. That'll show em!!!!

eta: You're a hero LastChild. You believe that the government murdered 3000 of it's own people, and your only goal seems to be to annoy people on a message board. At this rate, you'll get that new investigation in no time. Who are you gonna get to head the investigation though? Who is immune from having his conclusions dismissed as "neo con gate keeping...Nistian....." whatever.

[dudalb]

My attitude toward Lost Child,who obviously thinks he has been treated roughly here at JREF is "I will try to be nicer if You try to be smarter".

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by Jonnyclueless

There is no way on earth LastChild could be any older than 14.

At least emotionally and intellectually. I know a number of people who are a lot older in terms of years, but who have the emotional makup of a 14 year old.

[Unsecured Coins]

can you start coming up with your own thread ideas, pdoh?

[TheDaver]

Wait, did the government perpetrate 9/11, or did it simply fail to prevent it?

Make up your mind you silly bastard.

Please keep in mind the Membership Agreement and do not use personal attacks to argue your point.

Posted By:Lisa Simpson

[Blender Head]

Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins

can you start coming up with your own thread ideas, pdoh?

That'd require LastChild to have an original thought.

[Myriad]

Originally Posted by LastChild

What’s too bad is the cowardice of some people so afraid of what others might think if they point to any of the obvious inadequacies in any official accounting of 9/11 to date.

Well, not everyone (and especially, very few politicians) are as courageous as you are. It's one thing for large segments of the voting public to think you're an opportunist, a hypocrite, a thief, a draft-dodger, a pedophile, an idiot, or even a killer. Lots of politicians survive those perceptions. But to have the public think you're a truther -- end of career, period. Can you blame politicians for being afraid?

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I would also add that although a possible inside job is not the only reason to have a valid investigation into 9/11 anyone dismissing an inside job before that investigation is the one jumping to conclusions.

Could be. But since the truth movement has made further government investigation politically impossible, those who choose not to jump to conclusions will just have to live with the possibility that there was an inside job. Fortunately, that possibility makes so little sense that it's not really worth worrying about.

Even if every event that conspiracy theories believe are false flag attacks, really were false flag attacks, your odds per year of being killed by electricity in an accident are many times higher.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[fuelair]

Originally Posted by LastChild

I wasn't talking about Truthers there. I was talking about some on the Left who try to pretend that their dismissal of any need for further investigation into 9/11 is a validation that their other problems with the Bush administration are founded.

So you say now!!!Try harder next time grasshopper.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by LastChild

Find that 100,000 - 300,000 barrels of oil a day missing from Iraq yet?

Not a thing to really debunk because truthers bring up stuff not related to 9/11 as some sort of smoking gun but fail to tie the ideas to reality. What does oil have to do with 9/11; only a truther's mind can connect the single dot not related to anything 9/11 and come up with a new 9/11 truth false idea.

Originally Posted by LastChild

Why would I contact them to identify an airplane? I'm not a pretend debunker.

With an impact of a plane and no one actually planting body parts, the fact the person who identified the DNA; proves the plane hit the Pentagon if you connect the DOTS. Why is 9/11 truth able to make up stuff from connecting one dot to nothing and proclaim some new fantasy ideas on 9/11?

Originally Posted by LastChild

Better then that. I can quote someone from NIST questioning the WTC investigation they did. Who can you quote?

So far not a one piece of evidence supports 9/11 truth. Funny, the person who has problems from NIST, debunk all 9/11 truth stands for. Oh the utter lack of logic mixed with total lack of knowledge, this is 9/11 truth. 9/11 truth is self debunking; all it takes is knowledge and you can debunk all of 9/11 truth. Beam weapons, fake planes, alive terrorist, you name it, it debunks itself. So far not a single 9/11 truth members has presented evidence to support their far out ideas; proof happens to be in the fact 9/11 truth lacks a Pulitzer Prize;

Take that pile of evidence and get the Pulitzer Prize;
9/11 truth says there is

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ample evidence

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and probable cause to believe that many grave and still unresolved crimes were committed by US officials

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largely unexplicated bodies of 9/11 evidence

Yep, sure, if you could only produce it! No prize for you!

Originally Posted by LastChild

You wonder? I thought pretend debunkers knew everything.

We only wonder how 9/11 truth members got degrees when they are so poor at logical thinking. How did they do it?

[pomeroo]

Originally Posted by LastChild

Find that 100,000 - 300,000 barrels of oil a day missing from Iraq yet?

Yes, it has been found. It's being destroyed by insurgents and siphoned off by corrupt officials. It has no conceivable relation to American oil companies. But, you already knew that. Your point?

Oh, right: YOU DON'T HAVE ONE.

Originally Posted by LastChild

Why would I contact them to identify an airplane? I'm not a pretend debunker.

Now, that's a tough one. Let's see: Remains of the passengers on the airplane were found at the Pentagon; remains of the crew were found there as well. Hmmm. As I said, it's a toughie, but I can't escape this feeling in my bones that somehow the presence of the remains of the passengers and crew tells us something about the fate of the plane. I'm not sure. What do you suppose I'm missing?

Originally Posted by LastChild

Better then [sic] that. I can quote someone from NIST questioning the WTC investigation they did. Who can you quote?

Wow! I can't quote anybody from NIST who questions the main conclusions reached. When I talked with James Quintiere for over a half-hour, he made it clear that he thinks that NIST overestimates the importance of the dislodged fireproofing. Quintiere thinks that the Towers could not have survived the impacts of the planes under any circumstances. He is actually much tougher on conspiracy liars who pretend that explosives were involved. He thinks they're completely nuts.

On the off chance that you're not lying again, who did you have in mind?

Originally Posted by LastChild

You wonder? I thought pretend debunkers knew everything.

Ah, but that's your problem (well, it's one of your problems): what you think always turns out to be wrong. You see, the people who regularly expose your laughable pretensions are real debunkers. To be perfectly fair, a pretend-debunker would more than suffice in your case.

[pomeroo]

Originally Posted by LastChild

Well then please source where I have ever offered up a fantasy as fact and you DGM have debunked it. I fear if you may slipped back into pretending again. Don't give up.

I must ride to your defense here. I can state as an incontrovertible fact that you have never offered up anything as a fact. It is, of course, also true that your many, many snide insinuations and vague, empty, thoroughly disingenuous "questions" have been crushingly debunked.

[pomeroo]

Originally Posted by Blender Head

Wonderfully said.

If the Truth Movement wasn't pushing a conclusion, as you rightly point out, I myself would probably be one of them.

Your signature is dishonest.

[pomeroo]

Originally Posted by LastChild

What’s too bad is the cowardice of some people so afraid of what others might think if they point to any of the obvious inadequacies in any official accounting of 9/11 to date. I would also add that although a possible inside job is not the only reason to have a valid investigation into 9/11 anyone dismissing an inside job before that investigation is the one jumping to conclusions.

Here is your chance to be the first conspiracy liar to explain who should conduct the new investigation. I realize that you have always fled when this question gets asked, but today's a new day. So, tell us: after you've excluded all the real physicists, chemists, metallurgists, structural engineers, demolition experts, avionics techs, air traffic controllers, forensic examiners, law enforcement personnel, firefighters, etc. (obviously, if you don't exclude them, you'll simply replicate the findings of the original massive investigation), who will be assigned the job of producing your desired result?

[pomeroo]

Originally Posted by TheDaver

Wait, did the government perpetrate 9/11, or did it simply fail to prevent it?

Make up your mind you silly bastard.

When I asked essentially the same question, the Child dismissed it with incoherent gibberish (see post # 6). I doubt that you'll have better luck.

[TheDaver]

I know, I just wish I knew what influences haven given the kid such a sharp cognitive dissonance. His is bad enough to blow his eardrums from the inside.…

[The Doc]

LastChild,

It really saddens me that you honestly believe that the wrong people have been accused in the deaths of 3,000 innocent people, and those responsible have gotten away with it, and the best you can do about it is make parody mock threads on an internet forum.

Thank Christ you're wrong, because your inaction would be rather unsettling in the event that you were actually right.

[Tweeter]

Originally Posted by Tweeter
Why are most debunkers foreigners?
* waits for the sock accounts to rush in and dismiss this claim

Parky76 says
Who you callin a foreigner, Willis?
I was born here. My mom was born here. My grandma was born here. I'm no foreigner.

Tweeter says
The key word is most. Most are foreigners which by surfing the internet has led me to believe they hate us yanks. So let me update my question. Why do foreign born debunkers give a **** about what happens in America?

[uk_dave]

Originally Posted by Tweeter

Why do foreign born debunkers give a **** about what happens in America?

Interesting. Not the question itself, but rather the thinking that lays behind it.

Are you disturbed that 'foreign born debunkers give a **** about what happens in America'? If so, why?

Does it trouble you that people from outside the US are prepared to spend a little time countering the arguments of the various 'truth' movements within the US?

Is 'truth' a bunch of lies that only US citizens can enjoy mocking?

Or do you see it as the big bad world spoiling the fun of homegrown, US Patriotic 'truthers'?

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

Originally Posted by LastChild

So you admit it? Good for you. That's the first step to your recovery.

given Woody Allen a call yet?

[Tweeter]

Originally Posted by uk_dave

Interesting. Not the question itself, but rather the thinking that lays behind it.

Are you disturbed that 'foreign born debunkers give a **** about what happens in America'? If so, why?

Does it trouble you that people from outside the US are prepared to spend a little time countering the arguments of the various 'truth' movements within the US?

Is 'truth' a bunch of lies that only US citizens can enjoy mocking?

Or do you see it as the big bad world spoiling the fun of homegrown, US Patriotic 'truthers'?

I wont answer any of your questions because you never answer mine. But i will say most Americans wouldnt give two ***** if jolly old England sank into the ocean. We hate you.

[EvilBiker]

Originally Posted by Tweeter

So let me update my question. Why do foreign born debunkers give a **** about what happens in America?

(I could ask the same question about Twoofers situated in Oz, Japan, the UK, etc.)

To answer your question: idiocy seeps across borders. I sure as hell don't want the CT mindset to corrupt my neck of the woods.

[MikeW]

Heh. I regularly have people accusing me of not really being a Brit, 911myths is actually a CIA operation etc etc. And now, apparently, it's also suspicious if I AM in the UK. In trutherland, every path really does lead to "inside job".

[Architect]

Originally Posted by parky76

Who you callin a foreigner, Willis?

I was born here. My mom was born here. My grandma was born here.

I'm no foreigner.

We're all foreign to other nationals. Unfortunately some of our posters are also foreign to the lands of "intellectual rigour" and "evidence based analysis".

[GregoryUrich]

Originally Posted by parky76

Who you callin a foreigner, Willis?

I was born here. My mom was born here. My grandma was born here.

I'm no foreigner.

Except for indiginous americans we are all foreigners: immigrants or sons and daughters or colonists, immigrants or slaves.

[Disbelief]

Originally Posted by GregoryUrich

Except for indiginous americans we are all foreigners: immigrants or sons and daughters or colonists, immigrants or slaves.

But if the indigenous people came across an ice bridge, they would actually be foreigners too. How far back are you looking at taking this?

[pomeroo]

Originally Posted by Tweeter

I wont answer any of your questions because you never answer mine. But i will say most Americans wouldnt give two ***** if jolly old England sank into the ocean. We hate you.

Most Americans regard Brits as true friends.

[GregoryUrich]

Originally Posted by Disbelief

But if the indigenous people came across an ice bridge, they would actually be foreigners too. How far back are you looking at taking this?

As far as I did.

[mrbaracuda]

Originally Posted by EvilBiker

(I could ask the same question about Twoofers situated in Oz, Japan, the UK, etc.)

To answer your question: idiocy seeps across borders. I sure as hell don't want the CT mindset to corrupt my neck of the woods.

You know, the best thing about twoof movements that aren't in the US is they lack their "enemies" they can "expose", heh. Ah, the joy of not having morons shout their 9/11 crap at the top of their lungs!

[Dr Adequate]

Originally Posted by LastChild

Characteristics of pseudo skeptics ...

Ooh look, you're whining about "pseudoskeptics"!

Have a look at the company you're in.

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Real Proper Skeptics believe in UFOs even though they are "short of any kind of proof" : I propose that true skepticism is called for today: neither the gullible acceptance of true belief nor the closed-minded rejection of the scoffer masquerading as the skeptic. One should be skeptical of both the believers and the scoffers. The negative claims of pseudo-skeptics who offer facile explanations must themselves be subject to criticism... There is another aspect to the UFO phenomenon that involves politics and secrecy rather than observational evidence. I do not currently have a ticket to any SCI program, but over the years I have gotten to know individuals who for one reason or another would be aware of the existence of relevant black programs... The above is, of course, short of any kind of proof, but all in all I have now gotten to the point in my exposure to the subject at which I think it somewhat more likely than not that something not merely delusional, but real and important may be going on with regard to the UFO phenomenon.

Real Proper Skeptics believe that "confusing memories" prove that you've visited another universe : Join us in a brave foray into the unknown and uncharted realms of parallel universes. Prepare yourself for a trek, not to outer or inner, but to adjacent space.

Will we find Eden? Lands of Magic? Our heart's desire? Or will we find worlds just like our own? Some of us may have already visited other universes - the evidence may be confusing memories - improbable places or people we have seen. Can we observe these parallel universes? Have we observed them? Can we travel between them? What kind of device would we need? What energy barriers would we encounter and have to overcome? Is there a shortcut between the worlds? Does quantum consciousness hold a key?

ASIDE TO PSEUDOSKEPTICS: Please don't bother. We are talking subjective experience here and trying to derive clues to what is happening. These things occurred - they happened to us - no amount of skepticism or psychobabble on your part will convince us otherwise.

Real Proper Skeptics believe that the "Face On Mars" is evidence of a lost Martian civilization, but that NASA is hushing it up : If the "Face" and/or other features test positively for artificiality, this discovery promises to be the most explosive we have ever encountered. The Cydonian Imperative advocates completely open disclosure of any findings that would tend to bear out the Artificiality Hypothesis. I am troubled by NASA's demonstrated refusals to comply with scientific method and acknowledge the work of independent researchers.

The Cydonia inquiry is not trivial, pseudoscientific, or dismissable. On the contrary, the enigmas on the Martian surface (and perhaps elsewhere in the Solar System) challenge our conceptions of planetary and genetic selfhood. We cannot afford to miss this potentially transformative opportunity...

It is interesting that this image, withheld from public inspection, depicts the Face in its entirety. Such accuracy tends to suggest that acquiring high-resolution images of the Face is not only easier than NASA/MSSS would have the public believe, but that NASA has an abiding interest in studying the Cydonia region. The reasons for the space agency's near-silence on the Cydonia issue, in light of the image above, are far from trivial...

Skeptics groups rail against "pseudoscience." But perhaps the time has come for independent thinkers, armed with real knowledge as opposed to false preconceptions, to begin questioning the agenda behind pseudoskepticism.

Real Proper Skeptics believe that John Edward can talk to the dead : One of the most famous psychic mediums in this country is John Edward who performs readings before a live audience on television. His impressive abilities suggests that he may actually be communicating with the dead. pseudo-skeptics claim that John Edward is a master of reading body language to elicit information. But, Edward often does phone readings and sometimes readings where he cannot even see the subject... pseudo-skeptics claim that questionnaires and bugging devices help producers learn about deceased family members... Concerning bugging devices, the show's producer replied, "Of course there's microphones, but are they being fed anywhere, no. And John doesn't see any of this."

Real Proper Skeptics believe that crop circles... or "at least some of them" were created by "Non-Human Intelligence" : If Nickell and Fischer had examined that question, they would have found that their four arguments for hoaxing are perfectly compatible with the hypothesis that crop formations, or at least some of them, are created on purpose by a non-human intelligence (NHI), such as extraterrestrials or spiritual beings... Proper skepticism must be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Unfortunately, much of what comes out of the "skeptical" community these days is not proper skepticism, but all-out, fundamentalist disbelief. Such skepticism can be called pseudo-skepticism, pathological skepticism or bogus skepticism.

Real Proper Skeptics believe that Uri Geller has magical powers over cutlery : Some historians believe Jesus Christ was born on December 20th. Perhaps the first unusual event of Uri's life was that he was born on the same day, although some time later, in 1946 to be exact. Coincidence? Maybe, but a portent perhaps of the shape ( or shape-shifting ) of things to come.

Uri says that he first became aware of his mindpower at the age of four. He was eating, when the fork he was using bent and snapped. His mother, a member of the Freud family, was not surprised at his ability and nurtured his childhood accordingly. It was this acceptance, rather than denial, which enabled his self belief. A belief, Uri says, is inherent in all children, it is social conditioning which creates the denial...

When I spoke with Uri, he told me that he still meets with scientists and accepts the positive motive behind scientific discovery, it seems it is the adversarial 'pseudo skeptics' which Uri has washed his hands with...

Real Proper Skeptics believe that they can debunk the Big Bang without actually knowing any physics; and also in alien visitors, ghosts, ESP, Bigfoot... : These ordinarily sound scientific platitudes are used as the ultimate "get out of jail free" cards for pseudo-skeptics who have no answers to inconvenient questions. Let's examine Sagan's assertion that "extrarordinary" claims require "extraordinary" evidence. The problem with this statement is that popular science does not require extraordinary evidence for its extraordinary claims. Big Bang theory may be the most extraordinary claim in the history of popular science. Here we have an idea that can be neatly encapsulated in eight words: "At first, there was nothing...then it exploded." But how can NOTHING explode? Big Bang theory "defies gravity" and violates innumerable laws of physics, it remains a HYPOTHETICAL mathematical model, yet it is promoted as truth by NASA and institutions of higher learning around the world. Why has the mainstream never demanded the same standards of Big Bang theorists that it does of "paranormal" proponents?

Where are the "double-blind tests" validating Big Bang theory? Has Big Bang theory been tested by JREF or other skeptical organizations?

Real Proper Skeptics think that mediums can catch terrorists despite the fact that this has never happenned : I am presenting an issue which hitherto has NOT been part of the procedure of crime detection training.

One has to ignore the entrenched negativism of the closed minded skeptics (or as Professor C T Tart calls them 'pseudo-skeptics') They are defeatists and I submit they are a danger to national security for retarding or preventing professional investigation of psychic phenomena.

Law enforcement agencies ought to obtain the services of highly gifted psychics - not the run of the mill commercial ones, but those who can pass empirical tests for repeatable accuracy. There may be at least four or five in each country who ought to be regarded as absolute 'pure gold.' These would be hard to find as the truly gifted ones keep a very low, non-commercial, very private profile...

Two gifted psychic mediums would be required - one of them a trance-medium. Usually, the mediums bring others with them to give them psychic energy support. One of the mediums will be in a position to communicate with the terrorist's 'attachment.' This will be done while the other trance-medium goes into trance and allows the terrorist's 'attachment' to use the voice box of the second medium.

Real Proper Skeptics believe everything they hear, plus everything they make up : Fortunately, not every one is pseudo skeptic. We have also many true skeptics... It is said that even Hitler had some psychic powers (I just heard this and do not know the details of it). If true, this does not mean that everything this monster did was right or conversely, his crimes against humanity do not nullify his psychic ability... We know that thoughts are vibrations. These vibrations are what make the electroencephalograph machine (lie detector) work. Vibrations are created by particles. In quantum physics time breaks down and becomes irrelevant. So is it possible that your thoughts work in times that have not yet occurred? If true, this would explain how we dream things that come to pass later, telepathy, premonition, remote viewing and other psychic claims... This proves that healing comes from within and is triggered by our brain. In fact all healing come from our brain. All what drugs do is, trigger the defense mechanism of the body by stimulating the brain to release the endorphins and other chemicals that would heal the body... Belief is a powerful human faculty. If we can tap into this, we can basically heal our selves at will...The pseudo skeptics with materialistic persuasion are not after science or truth. They are promoting a religion based on materialism. There is nothing scientific, nothing logical and nothing rational about their belief. They are believers in a dogma that is contrary to human reason and observable facts... Islam presents itself as a religion. This, of course is not true.

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Y'see, eventually every crackpot group starts whining about "pseudoskeptics", presumably because it's cheaper than getting "I FAIL" tattoed on your foreheads.

[Drudgewire]

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Y'see, eventually every crackpot group starts whining about "pseudoskeptics", presumably because it's cheaper than getting "I FAIL" tattoed on your foreheads.

Jeez, every one of those links seems to have been written by "pseudo-non retards."

[16.5]

Originally Posted by LastChild

Well then please source where I have ever offered up a fantasy as fact and you DGM have debunked it. I fear if you may slipped back into pretending again. Don't give up.

Well there was that one time you linked to a web site that prominently relied on holocaust deniers. I seem to recall that you were thankful that I pointed it out to you.

But you are busy with your typical completely worthless thread, so i'll let you get back to it.

[pomeroo]

In post #55, I asked the Child to quote that person from NIST, other than Dr. Quintiere, and in post #58 I asked him, for the third or fourth time, who should conduct the new investigation he pretends to want.

Oddly enough, he has vanished again.

[aggle-rithm]

Originally Posted by Tweeter

I wont answer any of your questions because you never answer mine. But i will say most Americans wouldnt give two ***** if jolly old England sank into the ocean. We hate you.

Speak for yourself, please.

[Calcas]

Originally Posted by Tweeter

I wont answer any of your questions because you never answer mine. But i will say most Americans wouldnt give two ***** if jolly old England sank into the ocean. We hate you.

No, MOST Americans don't hate England or the Brits in general. (We do sometimes like to make fun of the French though I think that's fairly universal.)

Of course, there's always a minority anywhere that are uneducated, hateful, and bigoted towards another group of people. You obviously fit into that class.

What a genuinely stupid thing to say.

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by Architect

Actually, I'm centre-left. Which by American standards would make me a raving communist, I suppose.

Not so. It makes you a True Scotsman.

I am an American, and I approve this message.

DR