Roy Horn attacked by tiger

Pyrrho · 3rd October 2003, 10:59 PM

No word on his condition.

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http://www.cleveland.com/newsflash/n...flash-national

LAS VEGAS (AP) -- A tiger attacked magician Roy Horn of the duo "Siegfried & Roy" during a Friday night performance at The Mirage hotel-casino, authorities said.

wert · 3rd October 2003, 11:13 PM

Critical from what I understand.

PygmyPlaidGiraffe · 4th October 2003, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wert
Critical from what I understand.

just read this this morning. Unfortunately

Quote:

A spokesperson for the hotel confirmed the 59-year-old magician has a serious neck injury and is in critical condition at University Medical Center.

This media report is calling it a mauling

Cain · 4th October 2003, 06:13 AM

Not a very good paint job, but still funny in a morbid way. Let's hope Roy is alright.

wert · 4th October 2003, 11:31 AM

Gee. Quite a tasteless and dull troll you've proven yourself to be Cain.

Welcome to my ignore list.

Plonk!

This means I can't see and won't be reading any replies from you.

Please enjoy hearing the sound of your own voice.

Cain · 4th October 2003, 02:26 PM

Gee Wert, can you get off your high horse for a minute?

It's just a joke.

T'ai Chi · 4th October 2003, 02:35 PM

I hope Roy gets well soon!

Was it one of their regular tigers??

MoeFaux · 4th October 2003, 02:49 PM

Yes, it was one of the tigers that is in the show evert night. I posted two articles about it over in current events.
I have a friend who is visiting him today, so we'll see how he is.

T'ai Chi · 4th October 2003, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MoeFaux
Yes, it was one of the tigers that is in the show evert night. I posted two articles about it over in current events.
I have a friend who is visiting him today, so we'll see how he is.

Thanks Moe Faux, I'll check the articles out. Hope he is doing well!

reprise · 4th October 2003, 05:57 PM

WTF went wrong.?
I know that we aren't supposed to discuss how illusions are performed here, but it seems to me that somethig must have gone wrong.

Hell, even circuses here - which perform no illusions whatsoever - have armed attendants lining the arena whose sole job is to shoot to kill any wild animal which attacks. I can't conceive of a circumstance in which highly professional people didn't have safety procedures in place which had been drilled over and over and over again.

Another reminder that it while the speciality of these performers might be "magic", it is not without risk.

MoeFaux · 4th October 2003, 09:12 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/10/0...ked/index.html

It's very bad. I talked to some Vegas folks and it doesn't look good.

MoeFaux · 5th October 2003, 06:27 PM

Okay guys, if you have something like you'd like to have reach Roy now, you can send it the the UMC medical center on Charleston in Las Vegas.
I guess they're talking about it more now. He had a stroke during surgerey, they had to resusitate him, and if he survives, he'll have brain and spinal cord damage. You can sense how heavy it is from that.

richardm · 6th October 2003, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by reprise
WTF went wrong.?
I know that we aren't supposed to discuss how illusions are performed here, but it seems to me that somethig must have gone wrong.

From the (little) I know about lion taming, tigers are reckoned to be the most dangerous. This isn't because they're inherently more aggressive than lions, but because they don't signal their intentions nearly as clearly.

From a comment at The Magic Cafe - and I don't know if it is true or not - this tiger was misbehaving and received an admonishing tap on the snout from Roy. The tiger turned on him, Roy slipped, and the tiger attacked. But I've heard at least two other reports that contradict that...

Sorry, I'm rambling. From what I can gather, the attack was so fast that even if people had been on hand with weapons they would be too late to do anything - assuming they weren't being human and not paying attention; the show is on just about night, isn't it?

Well, Moe Faux's list of injuries sends a cold chill. Sounds like a pretty major show-stopper for the poor bloke.

MoeFaux · 6th October 2003, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by richardm

From what I can gather, the attack was so fast that even if people had been on hand with weapons they would be too late to do anything - assuming they weren't being human and not paying attention; the show is on just about night, isn't it?

Well, Moe Faux's list of injuries sends a cold chill. Sounds like a pretty major show-stopper for the poor bloke.

I don't know S&R's crew, but I can't imagine that they wouldn't have a great stage manager. P&T have an amazing person in charge of the crew, I just don't know how she does it. Every damn night, she's on the ball, always watching every second. S&R must have someone just as attentive, if not more because of the animals.
Even with the monotony of doing the same show every night, they'd have someone good keeping an attentive eye.

He made it through the night again, and that's pretty impressive. Maybe there's really some hope.

Randi · 6th October 2003, 09:33 AM

I need hardly express my concern and sympathy for the accident involving Roy Horn in Las Vegas. I was shocked by the news, and can only hope that the damage he has suffered can be repaired.

Siegfried & Roy created a living legend with their show. It may be that we have seen the last of this production as a result of this tragedy. If so, we will hold onto the memories we have of two superb artists who dedicated themselves to the art that we so cherish and respect. I look forward to hearing that Roy is recovering and that he can retire -- if that's his wish -- in comfort and satisfaction with what the team created and offered to their audiences.

I'm devastated by this situation. Come back to us, Roy.

James Randi.

reprise · 6th October 2003, 08:00 PM

Reports on the NBC newscast we received here at 5am this morning indicate that Roy is able to move his fingers (they were less clear about whether or not he can move his toes). This is encouraging news as it may indicate that some of the initial paralysis will not be permanent.

Zep · 6th October 2003, 09:05 PM

I have to admit that, personally, I was never a great fan of their "keeping" white tigers nor of their show style in particular. But that is insignificant in the light of this situation.

This is a very serious and concerning event, and I wish Roy the fastest and fullest recovery possible.

zep

clusterm2 · 14th October 2003, 06:12 PM

And there's me thinking they used fake tigers..doh

severin · 15th October 2003, 02:51 PM

Of course I hope Roy recovers, but using live wild animals in a stage act is a) foolish and b) cruel.

I know a lot of you won't agree and I say again: I am in no way wishing him ill.

MoeFaux · 15th October 2003, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by severin
Of course I hope Roy recovers, but using live wild animals in a stage act is a) foolish and b) cruel.

I know a lot of you won't agree and I say again: I am in no way wishing him ill.

Wrong on both. Not foolish, just risky. And not cruel, they were doing their jobs. When they weren't doing their jobs, they were the most well cared for animals in the world.
How is S&R using animals any differt to K9 units? Oh, wait, that's right, S&R treatet their animals better, and they were never put in danger.

severin · 16th October 2003, 03:13 PM

What's a K9 unit?

Wild animals belong in the wild. Their job is to hunt.

zakur · 16th October 2003, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MoeFaux
Wrong on both. Not foolish, just risky. And not cruel, they were doing their jobs. When they weren't doing their jobs, they were the most well cared for animals in the world.
How is S&R using animals any differt to K9 units? Oh, wait, that's right, S&R treatet their animals better, and they were never put in danger.

K9 units are "staffed" by Canis familiaris; they have been domesticated for 15,000 years, bred to perform a variety of jobs for human beings.

Panthera tigris altaica, on the other hand, are wild animals.

Quote:

Originally posted by severin
Wild animals belong in the wild. Their job is to hunt.

Exactly.

Wyvern · 19th October 2003, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by severin

Wild animals belong in the wild. Their job is to hunt.

I generally agree with this but many tigers, the white tiger in particular, are on the verge of extinction. S&R, and many other organizations around the world, are working proactively to try and prevent this from happening with their breeding and conservation efforts. And many of the big cats that are used for this purpose - at least in the organizations that I am aware of - come from zoos that either donate or sell them, or can no longer care for them, or from people who think the baby animal is cute and makes a nice pet until it gets big, etc. So it's not like they are trapping healthy cats out in the wild just to bring them to Las Vegas to perform in a show.

MoeFaux · 19th October 2003, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zakur
K9 units are "staffed" by Canis familiaris; they have been domesticated for 15,000 years, bred to perform a variety of jobs for human beings.

Panthera tigris altaica, on the other hand, are wild animals.Exactly.

You miscredited that quote in the above post and listed my name to it.

reprise · 19th October 2003, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wyvern

I generally agree with this but many tigers, the white tiger in particular, are on the verge of extinction. S&R, and many other organizations around the world, are working proactively to try and prevent this from happening with their breeding and conservation efforts. And many of the big cats that are used for this purpose - at least in the organizations that I am aware of - come from zoos that either donate or sell them, or can no longer care for them, or from people who think the baby animal is cute and makes a nice pet until it gets big, etc. So it's not like they are trapping healthy cats out in the wild just to bring them to Las Vegas to perform in a show.

White tigers are not a species. White tigers are at a distinct survival disadvantage in the wild. It's a mutation of an existing species which occurs naturally and which can also be bred for on a selective basis. I believe that S&R stopped breeding for the white mutation as the gene pool has now become too small (the gene which expresses the white mutation also expresses other defects).

Wyvern · 19th October 2003, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reprise

White tigers are not a species. White tigers are at a distinct survival disadvantage in the wild. It's a mutation of an existing species which occurs naturally and which can also be bred for on a selective basis. I believe that S&R stopped breeding for the white mutation as the gene pool has now become too small (the gene which expresses the white mutation also expresses other defects).

This is interesting. I believe I understand you, although I am not a Biologist

The point of my post was to explain why I do not believe that what S&R do for a living is bad or wrong, and that, in fact, they are doing what they can to help the survival of tigers. It is my understanding that the white tiger has been hunted to near-extinction. This, of course, would be a human cause rather than a genetic cause. Is my information wrong? And how do you believe S&R obtain their tigers?

Lavie Enrose · 1st November 2003, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reprise
Another reminder that it while the speciality of these performers might be "magic", it is not without risk.

Penn has written an article in Rolling Stone magazine about the dangers of magic. It is the November 13 issue, on sale now. I have not read the article yet.

3rd October 2003, 10:59 PM	#1
Pyrrho Man in Black Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,696	Roy Horn attacked by tiger No word on his condition. ============== http://www.cleveland.com/newsflash/n...flash-national LAS VEGAS (AP) -- A tiger attacked magician Roy Horn of the duo "Siegfried & Roy" during a Friday night performance at The Mirage hotel-casino, authorities said.
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3rd October 2003, 11:13 PM	#2
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4th October 2003, 06:12 AM	#3
PygmyPlaidGiraffe Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,289	Quote: Originally posted by wert Critical from what I understand. just read this this morning. Unfortunately Quote: A spokesperson for the hotel confirmed the 59-year-old magician has a serious neck injury and is in critical condition at University Medical Center. This media report is calling it a mauling
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4th October 2003, 06:13 AM	#4
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T'ai Chi Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 11,233	Re: Roy Horn attacked by tiger I hope Roy gets well soon! Was it one of their regular tigers??

4th October 2003, 02:49 PM	#8
MoeFaux Suspicious Mind Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,475	Yes, it was one of the tigers that is in the show evert night. I posted two articles about it over in current events. I have a friend who is visiting him today, so we'll see how he is.
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4th October 2003, 02:55 PM	#9
T'ai Chi Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 11,233	Quote: Originally posted by MoeFaux Yes, it was one of the tigers that is in the show evert night. I posted two articles about it over in current events. I have a friend who is visiting him today, so we'll see how he is. Thanks Moe Faux, I'll check the articles out. Hope he is doing well!

4th October 2003, 05:57 PM	#10
reprise Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,859	WTF went wrong.? I know that we aren't supposed to discuss how illusions are performed here, but it seems to me that somethig must have gone wrong. Hell, even circuses here - which perform no illusions whatsoever - have armed attendants lining the arena whose sole job is to shoot to kill any wild animal which attacks. I can't conceive of a circumstance in which highly professional people didn't have safety procedures in place which had been drilled over and over and over again. Another reminder that it while the speciality of these performers might be "magic", it is not without risk.
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4th October 2003, 09:12 PM	#11
MoeFaux Suspicious Mind Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,475	http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/10/0...ked/index.html It's very bad. I talked to some Vegas folks and it doesn't look good.
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5th October 2003, 06:27 PM	#12
MoeFaux Suspicious Mind Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,475	Okay guys, if you have something like you'd like to have reach Roy now, you can send it the the UMC medical center on Charleston in Las Vegas. I guess they're talking about it more now. He had a stroke during surgerey, they had to resusitate him, and if he survives, he'll have brain and spinal cord damage. You can sense how heavy it is from that.
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6th October 2003, 04:43 AM	#13
richardm Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,477	Quote: Originally posted by reprise WTF went wrong.? I know that we aren't supposed to discuss how illusions are performed here, but it seems to me that somethig must have gone wrong. From the (little) I know about lion taming, tigers are reckoned to be the most dangerous. This isn't because they're inherently more aggressive than lions, but because they don't signal their intentions nearly as clearly. From a comment at The Magic Cafe - and I don't know if it is true or not - this tiger was misbehaving and received an admonishing tap on the snout from Roy. The tiger turned on him, Roy slipped, and the tiger attacked. But I've heard at least two other reports that contradict that... Sorry, I'm rambling. From what I can gather, the attack was so fast that even if people had been on hand with weapons they would be too late to do anything - assuming they weren't being human and not paying attention; the show is on just about night, isn't it? Well, Moe Faux's list of injuries sends a cold chill. Sounds like a pretty major show-stopper for the poor bloke.
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MoeFaux Suspicious Mind Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,475	Quote: Originally posted by richardm From what I can gather, the attack was so fast that even if people had been on hand with weapons they would be too late to do anything - assuming they weren't being human and not paying attention; the show is on just about night, isn't it? Well, Moe Faux's list of injuries sends a cold chill. Sounds like a pretty major show-stopper for the poor bloke. I don't know S&R's crew, but I can't imagine that they wouldn't have a great stage manager. P&T have an amazing person in charge of the crew, I just don't know how she does it. Every damn night, she's on the ball, always watching every second. S&R must have someone just as attentive, if not more because of the animals. Even with the monotony of doing the same show every night, they'd have someone good keeping an attentive eye. He made it through the night again, and that's pretty impressive. Maybe there's really some hope.
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Randi "Amazing" Founder Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53	I need hardly express my concern and sympathy for the accident involving Roy Horn in Las Vegas. I was shocked by the news, and can only hope that the damage he has suffered can be repaired. Siegfried & Roy created a living legend with their show. It may be that we have seen the last of this production as a result of this tragedy. If so, we will hold onto the memories we have of two superb artists who dedicated themselves to the art that we so cherish and respect. I look forward to hearing that Roy is recovering and that he can retire -- if that's his wish -- in comfort and satisfaction with what the team created and offered to their audiences. I'm devastated by this situation. Come back to us, Roy. James Randi.
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6th October 2003, 08:00 PM	#16
reprise Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,859	Reports on the NBC newscast we received here at 5am this morning indicate that Roy is able to move his fingers (they were less clear about whether or not he can move his toes). This is encouraging news as it may indicate that some of the initial paralysis will not be permanent.
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6th October 2003, 09:05 PM	#17
Zep Guest Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 24,230	I have to admit that, personally, I was never a great fan of their "keeping" white tigers nor of their show style in particular. But that is insignificant in the light of this situation. This is a very serious and concerning event, and I wish Roy the fastest and fullest recovery possible. zep
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14th October 2003, 06:12 PM	#18
clusterm2 Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Wirral Posts: 117	And there's me thinking they used fake tigers..doh

15th October 2003, 02:51 PM	#19
severin Thinker Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 147	Of course I hope Roy recovers, but using live wild animals in a stage act is a) foolish and b) cruel. I know a lot of you won't agree and I say again: I am in no way wishing him ill.
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MoeFaux Suspicious Mind Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,475	Quote: Originally posted by severin Of course I hope Roy recovers, but using live wild animals in a stage act is a) foolish and b) cruel. I know a lot of you won't agree and I say again: I am in no way wishing him ill. Wrong on both. Not foolish, just risky. And not cruel, they were doing their jobs. When they weren't doing their jobs, they were the most well cared for animals in the world. How is S&R using animals any differt to K9 units? Oh, wait, that's right, S&R treatet their animals better, and they were never put in danger.
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16th October 2003, 03:13 PM	#21
severin Thinker Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 147	What's a K9 unit? Wild animals belong in the wild. Their job is to hunt.
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16th October 2003, 07:48 PM	#22
zakur Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,265	Quote: Originally posted by MoeFaux Wrong on both. Not foolish, just risky. And not cruel, they were doing their jobs. When they weren't doing their jobs, they were the most well cared for animals in the world. How is S&R using animals any differt to K9 units? Oh, wait, that's right, S&R treatet their animals better, and they were never put in danger. K9 units are "staffed" by Canis familiaris; they have been domesticated for 15,000 years, bred to perform a variety of jobs for human beings. Panthera tigris altaica, on the other hand, are wild animals. Quote: Originally posted by severin Wild animals belong in the wild. Their job is to hunt. Exactly.
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19th October 2003, 05:07 PM	#23
Wyvern Muse Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 900	Quote: Originally posted by severin Wild animals belong in the wild. Their job is to hunt. I generally agree with this but many tigers, the white tiger in particular, are on the verge of extinction. S&R, and many other organizations around the world, are working proactively to try and prevent this from happening with their breeding and conservation efforts. And many of the big cats that are used for this purpose - at least in the organizations that I am aware of - come from zoos that either donate or sell them, or can no longer care for them, or from people who think the baby animal is cute and makes a nice pet until it gets big, etc. So it's not like they are trapping healthy cats out in the wild just to bring them to Las Vegas to perform in a show.
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19th October 2003, 05:11 PM	#24
MoeFaux Suspicious Mind Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,475	Quote: Originally posted by zakur K9 units are "staffed" by Canis familiaris; they have been domesticated for 15,000 years, bred to perform a variety of jobs for human beings. Panthera tigris altaica, on the other hand, are wild animals.Exactly. You miscredited that quote in the above post and listed my name to it.
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19th October 2003, 05:17 PM	#25
reprise Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,859	Quote: Originally posted by Wyvern I generally agree with this but many tigers, the white tiger in particular, are on the verge of extinction. S&R, and many other organizations around the world, are working proactively to try and prevent this from happening with their breeding and conservation efforts. And many of the big cats that are used for this purpose - at least in the organizations that I am aware of - come from zoos that either donate or sell them, or can no longer care for them, or from people who think the baby animal is cute and makes a nice pet until it gets big, etc. So it's not like they are trapping healthy cats out in the wild just to bring them to Las Vegas to perform in a show. White tigers are not a species. White tigers are at a distinct survival disadvantage in the wild. It's a mutation of an existing species which occurs naturally and which can also be bred for on a selective basis. I believe that S&R stopped breeding for the white mutation as the gene pool has now become too small (the gene which expresses the white mutation also expresses other defects).
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19th October 2003, 10:30 PM	#26
Wyvern Muse Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 900	Quote: Originally posted by reprise White tigers are not a species. White tigers are at a distinct survival disadvantage in the wild. It's a mutation of an existing species which occurs naturally and which can also be bred for on a selective basis. I believe that S&R stopped breeding for the white mutation as the gene pool has now become too small (the gene which expresses the white mutation also expresses other defects). This is interesting. I believe I understand you, although I am not a Biologist The point of my post was to explain why I do not believe that what S&R do for a living is bad or wrong, and that, in fact, they are doing what they can to help the survival of tigers. It is my understanding that the white tiger has been hunted to near-extinction. This, of course, would be a human cause rather than a genetic cause. Is my information wrong? And how do you believe S&R obtain their tigers?
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1st November 2003, 12:00 PM	#27
Lavie Enrose Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,961	Quote: Originally posted by reprise Another reminder that it while the speciality of these performers might be "magic", it is not without risk. Penn has written an article in Rolling Stone magazine about the dangers of magic. It is the November 13 issue, on sale now. I have not read the article yet.