[Merged]911 coincidences

[l0rca]

Before I begin, I'd like to say how embarrassed I am to be curious about this. I hope a few of you can be kind enough to my silliness and politely explain away these items:


1) New York City has 11 letters



2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.



3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters.



4) George W Bush has 11 letters.



5) The two twin towers make an "11"



This could be a mere coincidence, but this gets more interesting:




1) New York is the 11th state.



2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number

11.



3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11



4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers.

6+5 = 11



5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + 1+ 1 = 11



6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911.

9 + 1 + 1 = 11.



Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind:
1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254. >2 + 5 + 4 = 11.



2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year.

Again 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.



3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 11.



4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers

incident.



Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind:
Now this is where things get totally eerie:



The most recognised symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, is the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic



holy book:

"For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace."



That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran.



Still uncovinced about all of this..?! Try this and see how you feel afterwards, it made my hair stand on end:


Open Microsoft Word and do the following(TRY THIS FOR REAL)



1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first

plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.



2. Highlight the Q33 NY



3. Change the font size to 48.



4. Change the actual font to the WINGDINGS 1

[Charlieluv]

Where or how'd you come up with all this?......creepy

[Matthew Best]

Check Snopes.com to see that large parts of this email are FALSE.

I am not yet able to post links but the page is at:

snopes.com/rumors/coincidence.asp

[Class]

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number

11.

Quote:

1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first

plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.

It pretty much contradicts itself right there.

[TobiasTheViking]

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind:

Yes.

Well, Sheer coincidence and people reading too much into insignificant things.

[gtc]

Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie

Yes.

Well, Sheer coincidence and people reading too much into insignificant things.

There are two letters i in TobiasTheCommie. Put them together and you get 11.

There are 9 letters in both TobiasThe and TheCommie. That is, there are two ways to get 9 letters. Two in Roman numerals is II. That's 9/11 right there.

[gumboot]

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

1) New York City has 11 letters

Coincidence.

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.

Coincidence.

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters.

His name is Ramzi Yousef. He used the name Abdul Karim (10 letters). The others directly involved; Ahmad Ajaj, Mohammed Salameh and Mahmud Abouhalima have 9 letters, 15 letters, and 16 letters respectively in their names.

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

4) George W Bush has 11 letters.

George Bush as 10 letters... George Walker Bush has 16. Why use initials for one name and not for all others?

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

5) The two twin towers make an "11"

The Pentagon forms a... pentagon. And?

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

1) New York is the 11th state.

That's not entirely true. It was the 11th State to Ratify the US Constitution, however the United States of America was officially formed by the Articles of Confederation. New York was one of the eight states to sign the Article on the first day, 9 July, 1778.

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11.

Coincidence.

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11

92 people in total - 11 crew, 76 passengers and 5 hijackers.

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers. 6+5 = 11

AA77 hit the Pentagon, not the twin towers. The flights which hit the twin towers were UA175 and AA11.

AA77 had 64 people on board - 53 passengers, 5 hijackers, and 6 crew.

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + 1+ 1 = 11

or 12/09 if you live in New Zealand...

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911.

9 + 1 + 1 = 11.

Tragic irony, that.

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254. >2 + 5 + 4 = 11.

The total number of victims was 246 on the four aircraft. Including the hijackers (who were not victims) gives a total of 265.

AA11
11 crew
76 passengers

UA175
9 crew
51 passengers

AA77
6 crew
53 passengers

UA93
7 crew
33 passengers

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year. Again 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.

Coincidence.

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 11.

Coincidence.

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers
incident.

912 actually. 2004 was a leap year. (Incidentally on 29 February, 2004, Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King won 11 Academy Awards )

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

The most recognised symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, is the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic holy book:

"For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace."

That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran.

Nope.

Quote:

But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.
-Qu'ran 9:11

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.

2. Highlight the Q33 NY

3. Change the font size to 48.

4. Change the actual font to the WINGDINGS 1

Um... the flight numbers of the two aircraft that hit the towers were 11 and 175. In fact your own post names the first flight that hit the twin towers as 11...

Perhaps you mean tail registration number?

AA11 - Boeing 767-223ER registration N334AA
UA175 - Boeing 767-222 registration N612UA

For more information on this hoax go here.

Information can all be confirmed by Wikipedia.

-Andrew

[l0rca]

TobiasTheCommie, for self-conscious vindication, those phrases are a part of the copy-paste job I did.

I guess I just don't know enough about this conspiracy theory baloney or its resources on the internet to suit my curiosity well enough. And, I'm sort of lazy.

Thank you, gumboot.

[gumboot]

Originally Posted by mercuryturrent

TobiasTheCommie, for self-conscious vindication, those phrases are a part of the copy-paste job I did.

I guess I just don't know enough about this conspiracy theory baloney or its resources on the internet to suit my curiosity well enough. And, I'm sort of lazy.

Thank you, gumboot.

I remember getting this same email not long after 9/11 (long long long before I had the most remote interest in any 9/11 conspiracy theories). I just figured it was all rather spooky coincidences.

Of course it never even crossed my mind to doubt the information given... thanks to the skeptics at JREF now I know better.

-Andrew

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally Posted by gumboot

George Bush as 10 letters... George Walker Bush has 16. Why use initials for one name and not for all others?

Not trying to defend this claptrap in any way, but "George W Bush" is the most common way to present the President's name. We don't generally go three names except with assassins, and we put the W in there to differentiate from Daddy Bush. So, I think this can be fairly added to the list of things that are coincidental. Which is kinda nifty, but not meaningful.

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Tragic irony, that.

Either that, or a bit of crafty symbolism on the part of the terrorists. Either way, again not meaningful.

[Regnad Kcin]

Who uses Wingdings, anyway?

[gtc]

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Who uses Wingdings, anyway?

It has the nicest 'tick' mark that I have come across.

[Marquis de Carabas]

One easy way to assuage any doubts you have about these number coincidences in general is to work a bit of math to get a rough idea how likely it is that something will be coincidental anyway. I'll use 9 and 11, for relevance, but this can be worked out for any numerology-type wacko stuff.

Just between 1-1000 there are 111 numbers divisible by nine and 90 divisible by 11. Chucking out 10 for overlap, we have 191 numbers divisible by one of the two. In that same span, there are 37 numbers whose digits sum simply to nine and 54 which sum to 11.

There's 282 numbers out of 1000 that can simply be tied back to either 9 or 11. If you pick a number at random, you've got almost a 3 in 10 chance of finding a coincidence.

And that's limiting ourseles to fairly basic ways of breaking down the numbers. We could always add in numbers that are divisble by or sum to 20 (which is 9+11), or what about numbers such as 222, where the addition of a single operation can get us back to one of our base numbers (22/2=11). The possibilities are almost endless.

Once you've got a grasp of that idea, think of how many numbers are in some way associated with September 11th. There's the number of planes, the number of passengers--on any one plane, or on any combination of two or more planes, the number of victims in the WTC, in the Pentagon, the latitude and longitude where Flight 93 crashed, the times... and on and on.

It would be quite impressive if nothing made a coincidence when you realise how loose the rules are.

[chran]

Originally Posted by gumboot

Information can all be confirmed by Wikipedia.

Information ... confirmed ... Wikipedia ...

BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH! *wipes eyes*

Thanks, I needed that!

[Cheesejoff]

New York has 2 words

Middle East has 2 words

There were 2 religions involved: Islam and Christianity.

There are 2 letters in U.S

There were 2 planes crashing into 2 towers.

Each terrorist had 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 ears, 2 eyes - AND SO DID THE PILOT! COINCIDENCE?!?

The attacks were carried out on 9/11: 11 minus 9 is 2....

Coincidence? You decide..

[gumboot]

Originally Posted by Cheesejoff

Coincidence? You decide..

I've got a better one...

Any number involved in 9/11, when multiplied by 0 equals...

0!!!!!!

OMFG Conspirat0r!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From Zero what can we determine?

"Ground Zero" is the common name for a nuclear blast site, so we know it's something to do with nuclear war.

Also "Zero" was the name of a famous WW2 fighter - the Mitsubishi A6M Zero-Sen. The Zero was heavily involved in...

Pearl Harbor. PNAC... New Pearl Harbor...

The Allied codename for the Zero-Sen was "Zeke". Zeke rhymes with "Sheik".

So.

Nuclear War. New Pearl Harbor. Sheik.

Clearly the globalists are planning a nuclear war against the Middle East.

-Andrew

[Cuddles]

Originally Posted by Marquis de Carabas

Not trying to defend this claptrap in any way, but "George W Bush" is the most common way to present the President's name. We don't generally go three names except with assassins, and we put the W in there to differentiate from Daddy Bush. So, I think this can be fairly added to the list of things that are coincidental. Which is kinda nifty, but not meaningful.

In Britain we just call him "[rule 8]".

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Either that, or a bit of crafty symbolism on the part of the terrorists. Either way, again not meaningful.

Most of the world use the more logical day/month/year format for dates so I doubt the terrorists even noticed any connections with 911.

[Cheesejoff]

Originally Posted by gumboot

Any number involved in 9/11, when multiplied by 0 equals...

0!!!!!!

...

Clearly the globalists are planning a nuclear war against the Middle East.

You're right! Quick, let's make up and/or distort some facts to support our theory, leak some 'classified government documents', computer generate some dodgy looking pictures then sell our theory and make money off unsuspecting gullible people!

We need the money to fight teh illum1nati!!!!11!!

[Pardalis]

Of course "11" looks like the silhouette of the two towers, but do you think it was intended by the terrorist or just a sick ironic twist of faith?

Does anybody think terrorist could be this fancy?

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by Pardalis

Of course "11" looks like the silhouette of the two towers, but do you think it was intended by the terrorist or just a sick ironic twist of faith?

Does anybody think terrorist could be this fancy?

Do yo honestly think the 9-11 date was not chosen for a symbolic purpose by the attackers? I believe it was. 3-11 in Madrid was also chosen for an explicit, symbolic purpose. I can't recall what it was at the moment. Will get back to you after I dig around a bit.

Those two terror attacks, and many other terror attacks, are as symbolic in intent as they are murderous. The bombing in Samarra of the Shiite mosque a few months back was very symbolic in intent.

Q33 NY in Wingdings is rather spooky, however, I don't understand what Q33 has to do with 9, 11, or any of the flights. Was it the fare code on some tickets?

DR

[Matthew Best]

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

Do yo honestly think the 9-11 date was not chosen for a symbolic purpose by the attackers? I believe it was. 3-11 in Madrid was also chosen for an explicit, symbolic purpose. I can't recall what it was at the moment. Will get back to you after I dig around a bit.

So in both cases it was a specific symbolic purpose, but one that is not really clear, or that you can't remember?

Seems like they could have done a better job if they really wanted to signify something....

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by Matthew Best

So in both cases it was a specific symbolic purpose, but one that is not really clear, or that you can't remember?

Seems like they could have done a better job if they really wanted to signify something....

I can't remember the 3-11, though it was discussed in the news within a day or two of the Madrid attack. I'll get back to you.

DR

[Pardalis]

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

I can't remember the 3-11, though it was discussed in the news within a day or two of the Madrid attack. I'll get back to you.

DR

It was probably in reference to the 9/11 attack. Was 3/11 also a tuesday morning?

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by Pardalis

It was probably in reference to the 9/11 attack. Was 3/11 also a tuesday morning?

3-11 2004 was a Thursday.

Darn, the 3-11 attack was an anniversary of some significance. It may have been the trial of some terrorist leader, or his conviction, and I am now wracking my brain to dig out the connection. It was an anniversary, not an Islamic holy day or anything:

Muslim Holy Days in 2004
Saturday, 31 January - DAY OF HAJJ (Pilgrimage)
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Sunday, 1 February - EID-UL- ADHA (Day of Sacrifice)
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Sunday, 22 February - MUHARRAM (Islamic New Year)
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Tuesday, 2 March - DAY OF AASHURAH (10th Day)
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Sunday, 2 May - BIRTH OF PROPHET (Peace be upon Him)
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Sunday, 12 September - LAYLATUL MERAAJ - EVE (Ascension to Heaven)
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Wednesday, 29 September - LAYLATUL BARAAT (Night of Emancipation)
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Saturday, 16 October - COMMENCEMENT OF RAMADHAAN (Fasting)
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Sunday, 14 November - EID-UL FITR (Termination of Fasting)

I think the 9-11 was deliberately chosen to tie in to 9-11, to send a message to Americans, but other folks have some interesting ideas on that, not sure how valid they are.

Quote:

12. "11 Years To The Day" -- On September 11, 1990, President George Bush (Sr.) delivered a speech to the Congress entitled, "Moving Toward A New World Order". Precisely 11 years to the day after President Bush delivered this speech praising the New World Order, and declaring it to be an inevitable fact, a mighty blow was struck to move the world finally into this global world system. Another of President Bush's infamous quotes also came from this Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, when he said in August, 1990, that "this invasion shall not stand, because it threatens the New World Order." Once the Senior Bush introduced this term to the general public, everyone started using it. Dan Quayle appeared on a great many television programs, explaining this term and telling everyone what a wonderful concept it was. British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and Gorbachev suddenly began using this term, a formerly very hidden term reserved only for the readers of select occult material.

I know, that smells of Illuminati conspiracies and such, but it is a curious coincidence.

Edit and Note*Note: Perhaps my memory was playing tricks on me, and I am confusing Madrid and the Ashura bombings of 2 March 2004.

March 2: Ashoura Massacre: Suicide bombings at Shia holy sites in Iraq kill 181 and wound more than 500 during the Ashura Massacres.
Pakistan: March 2: Attack on procession of Shia Muslims in Pakistan kills 43 and wounds 160.

DR

[Rodney]

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

Darn, the 3-11 attack was an anniversary of some significance. It may have been the trial of some terrorist leader, or his conviction, and I am now wracking my brain to dig out the connection. It was an anniversary, not an Islamic holy day or anything.

You may be thinking of the fact that this attack: (a) occurred on the 30-month anniversary of 9-11, and (b) occurred after 911 days had passed since 9-11. (March 11, 2004 was 912 days after September 11, 2001, but another way of looking at is that between September 12, 2001 and March 10, 2004 911 days passed with no attack.)

[Pardalis]

Are terrorists also numerologists?

[CFLarsen]

I am way ahead of you all.

Uri Geller - The number of the fleeced

[Pardalis]

Uri Geller... It's about time he showed up!

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by Pardalis

Are terrorists also numerologists?

No, but symbolism is an important aspect of terror attacks by some groups. Terrorist attacks are not just mayhem meant to cause bloodshed and fear, they are also intended to get inside the heads and emotions of the selected audience of sheeple.

Be careful when measuring another man's wheat by your own bushel. He may be motivated by different things than you, and sees the world through a different lens.

DR

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Pardalis

Uri Geller... It's about time he showed up!

Is this the skeptic equivalent version of Godwinning ?

[Rodney]

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

No, but symbolism is an important aspect of terror attacks by some groups. Terrorist attacks are not just mayhem meant to cause bloodshed and fear, they are also intended to get inside the heads and emotions of the selected audience of sheeple.

Be careful when measuring another man's wheat by your own bushel. He may be motivated by different things than you, and sees the world through a different lens.

Hmmm. The Madrid bombing of March 11, 2004 was 912 days after 9-11. That same number of days from March 11, 2004 brings us to September 9, 2006 -- just 30 days from now. Of course, there have been other terrorist attacks since 9-11 -- most notably Bali, which occurred on October 12, 2002 (396 days after 9-11) and London, which occurred on July 7, 2005 (1395 days after 9-11 and 483 days after March 12, 2004). It could be that Al Qaeda plans an attack for a general time period and then zeroes in on the exact date based on numerology, or it could be just a coincidence.

[gumboot]

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

Do yo honestly think the 9-11 date was not chosen for a symbolic purpose by the attackers? I believe it was.

I don't. I can't see any evidence at all that it was. Given that the date is 11/9 to most of the world, it becomes even less significant.

The only reason that day was chosen, that I am aware of, is mid-week flights have less people on them, therefore the flights would be easier for the Hijackers to control.

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

Q33 NY in Wingdings is rather spooky, however, I don't understand what Q33 has to do with 9, 11, or any of the flights. Was it the fare code on some tickets?

The claim is that this was the flight number for one of the planes that hit the twin towers. It isn't of course, the flight numbers were 11 and 175. The number is similar in format to a tail registration number, however none of the 9/11 aircraft had that registration.

The "coincidence" is less profound when you consider the following:

1) The wingdings symbol for "3" is actually meant to represent a sheet of paper with lines of writing on it.

2) There was no relevant Jewish connection to 9/11

-Andrew

[gumboot]

Originally Posted by Rodney

Hmmm. The Madrid bombing of March 11, 2004 was 912 days after 9-11. That same number of days from March 11, 2004 brings us to September 9, 2006 -- just 30 days from now. Of course, there have been other terrorist attacks since 9-11 -- most notably Bali, which occurred on October 12, 2002 (396 days after 9-11) and London, which occurred on July 7, 2005 (1395 days after 9-11 and 483 days after March 12, 2004). It could be that Al Qaeda plans an attack for a general time period and then zeroes in on the exact date based on numerology, or it could be just a coincidence.

I doubt there's any pattern to their attacks. The days between 9/11 and the Madrid Bombings was only pulled up as significant because they calculated it as 911 - not taking into account the fact that 2004 was a leap year so it's actually 912 days.

The only genuine "pattern" is in the Indonesian attacks - there has been one every year since 2002 between August and October. So 2006's attack is due some time in the next couple of months.

-Andrew

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

Do yo honestly think the 9-11 date was not chosen for a symbolic purpose by the attackers? I believe it was.

Even though I mentioned it earlier, I can't say I believe it. I count it a possibility, but failing some actual evidence to back it up, that's all it is, and all it will ever be.

However, I also don't think the rest of the world using 11/9 for the date is significant to the discussion at all. They were attacking US targets. If they were going to use symbolism, they would use symoblism relevant to the US. It's not like al-Qaeda is unaware of the difference in date formatting.

[CFLarsen]

Originally Posted by The Don

Is this the skeptic equivalent version of Godwinning ?

Ah, but of course!! Make a SkeptiWiki entry on that one...

[SwissSkeptic]

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

I am way ahead of you all.

Uri Geller - The number of the fleeced

You are Uri Geller?

[gfunkusarelius]

if the terrorists were picking dates for symbolic reasons, wouldnt they mention it? i mean, maybe they want to keep us guessing, but, to me, the "they picked this date for a reason" seems just as fishy as the numerology crap for 9/11. that is to say, if you look hard enough for some sort of reason, you will find it. yeah, of course if you look thru islamic history (over 1000years?) you will find something on any given date that could be interpreted as very important.
anyway, if they really wanted to be symbolic, i would think july 4th (for american attacks) or something would be best.

[GodisEnergy]

dont forget that exactly 11 years before 911 to the minute. bush said this
the video made a mistake i checked it out on Whitehouse.gov and found the transcript
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

Also dont forget the wtc was 110 stories tall
and pentagon was built on sep 11 1940.Pentagon is a Occult symbol for freemasonry and kabbalistic ritual sacrifices because its the inside of a satanic pentagram

[GodisEnergy]

here more coincidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkuTVHTqAyc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dchY2FMMkI

[HeyLeroy]

Holy resurrection, Batman!