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atarian · 6th October 2003, 02:39 AM

Something about the brazenness of the Aqua Detox scam in this weeks commentary really made me

.

That these people would charge £1000 for such useless junk is shameful. That they are based in my home county, Surrey (for the moment) made it worse.

I would urge any UK JREFers to go to this site:
http://www.consumercomplaints.org.uk/index.asp

and report this scam. The more that do so, the better the chance we can put them out of business.

BillyJoe · 6th October 2003, 05:43 AM

atarian, with only 35 posts in two years, you must be mad.

atarian · 6th October 2003, 08:00 AM

I'm working on it BillyJoe.

Trading Standards have emailed me back:
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ConsumerComplaints.org.uk - Notification of Actioned Complaint

Please note that your complaint has been actioned by:
Surrey County Council
Consumer Advice Team
Mid Surrey Area Office
Baytree Avenue, Kingston Road
Leatherhead, Surrey, KT22 7SY

eMail: consumer.advice@surreycc.gov.uk
Phone: 01372 371717
Fax: 01372 371704
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Pakaran · 7th October 2003, 07:05 AM

It looks like all they're doing is forcing the iron electrodes to rust at an accelerated rate by applying a voltage.

How this helps health, unless you have an iron deficiency and drink the water, is somewhat confusing to me.

Kess · 11th October 2003, 04:01 AM

My wife was "treated" to an Aqua Detox session a few months ago (I asked about it here at http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showt...threadid=23931 ). At the time I guessed it was a scam but didn't know what the modus operandii was; however my wife did comment at the time that, as well as changing colour, the water smelt metallic afterwards. That would seem to support the rusty electrode explanation.

Pakaran · 13th October 2003, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kess
My wife was "treated" to an Aqua Detox session a few months ago (I asked about it here at http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showt...threadid=23931 ). At the time I guessed it was a scam but didn't know what the modus operandii was; however my wife did comment at the time that, as well as changing colour, the water smelt metallic afterwards. That would seem to support the rusty electrode explanation.

Yep. The way iron rusts in say a car is by very slight differences in voltage at the borders between metal crystals; single-crystal metal rusts very slowly indeed.

By applying an outside voltage, especially in a conductive environment like salt water, you can make it rust in minutes/hours instead of months.

That's also why salt in the winter is so bad for scratched parts of cars - it allows that microvoltage to "drain" more quickly, speeding the reaction.

atarian · 17th October 2003, 04:03 AM

Bump to add:

The Trading Standards people have tried to contact me by phone already and they are investigating.

Yah Boo sucks to you AquaDetox.

tonygraham · 17th October 2003, 07:29 AM

I've reported them, too.

tonygraham · 20th October 2003, 04:54 AM

My complaint's being dealt with by Darlington Trading Standards, so hopefully there'll be a two-pronged investigation.

tonygraham · 24th October 2003, 04:48 AM

Just been contacted also by Richmond on Thames Trading Standards, who wanted more details about my complaint. I've given them a very lengthy critique of the claims in Aqua Detox's brochure.

Here's hoping

tonygraham · 20th November 2003, 02:49 AM

Interesting reply to an email I sent.
I wrote -

"Having read your brochure, I wonder if you could clear up a few points for me?
1) “The water in the foot bath (or bath) becomes an extension of the water in the body, from which it is separated by nothing more substantial than a thin membrane - the skin.”
How can this be possible, as one of the skin’s main functions is to waterproof the body?

2) “….. , the unit creates the electrolytic flow (a flow of electrons)…”

Electrolysis does not involve a flow of electrons, it is a movement of ions – entirely different. If one reads p3 of your own brochure (which, by the way, could have been lifted from any GCSE chemistry textbook and bears little relevance for the rest of your claims), this is quite clear.

3) “Research has proved that the human body is electrical.”
Can you provide references for this research? My understanding (and I have a degree in neurobiology) is that the body is electrochemical – again, quite different.

4) “The brain produces and stores electricity.”
This is simply untrue – electricity is a flow of electrons, while the whole of the nervous system works on the movement of ions across membranes.

5) “Results taken on a Bicom 2000 Bio-Resonance Machine”
Please can you provide some indication as to what the figures in these tables refer to – there is no explanation in the text. "

The reply I received from 'Neilbevan' -

"Hi

The brochure you have read was written by Dr Javier Marubens MD and Dr MArty Staggs ND.
The only part which we disagree with is your reference tro the skin being to waterproof the body.
The skin is the biggest organ of the body with millions of pores -sweat glands.
Its through these pores that we excrete our toxins.
The Bio-Detox, Vega and the Best machines measure as to how balanced ones organs are and the optimum on all machines is around 50. Less than this they say means that one is unbalanced.

We agree they must have taken it from a school book.

Further info can be sought via the two Doctors on mary@herbs-that-work.com "

No further word from Trading Standards, as yet.

Rolfe · 20th November 2003, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tonygraham
The skin is the biggest organ of the body with millions of pores -sweat glands.
Its through these pores that we excrete our toxins.

This is such amazing BS.

I did my PhD on the physiology and composition of sweat (well, horse sweat, and it's a lot different, but you can imagine what my reading list consisted of), and I can categorically say that human sweat does not excrete toxins (if you mean such things as urea and ammonia). There is a little of these things in it, but it isn't an excretory path.

The water in the sweat is carefully excreted by specialised cells, for the purpose of thermoregulation, and the fact that the body can do this in no way invalidates the essential point about the skin being there to waterproof the body.

This is the most amazing BS, and I'm tempted to get West Sussex Trading Standards on to them as well.

Rolfe.

atarian · 20th November 2003, 04:36 AM

The more the merrier Rolfe.

lawman · 2nd February 2006, 11:06 AM

Regarding the Aqua Detox ( more correctly called the "Aqua Income") machine:

I have noticed that a local quack chiropractors ( redundent?) has started selling "treatments" with this device. I am amazed that people are so poorly educated that they fail to see this scam for what it is , a scam, at first gance. Then the quack DC seperates them from their money with a liberal application of Chirobabble,(sales pitch). I have heard this chirobabble. It is amazing how words such as "new", "powerful", "dynamic","wellness", "detoxify" and " restorative" can persuade otherwise intellegent people to give their money away.

lawman · 16th March 2006, 11:15 AM

Regarding the Aqua Detox: I am looking for anyone who has had an experience with this or a like device. would you please either post a message or send me data on any experience you have had or, heard of, regarding any "detoxifying" device that uses a water bath with a mild electric current that is supposed to draw out the "toxins" in your body.
My interest is frankly punative. I intend to expose these quacks, and if possible, see to it they are prosecuted by the law.
For the veiwers who beleive in this nonsense, and all the DC supporters out there, bring it on? Not that they would be veiwing this site, but you never know.

Blue Wode · 17th March 2006, 04:05 AM

Here’s a good blog article on the Aqua Detox system (written by an MD):

http://theclayexperience.blogspot.co...e_archive.html

EdwardBusk · 4th September 2006, 10:06 AM

Hi all,

Don't believe in new age mumbo - jumbo either but in some ways aqua detox seems to work....

First tried when I was 36 (as a hang-over cure!) Went to pseudo clinic charged £30 for half hour session. Didn't feel any different immediately but noticed that colours seemed brighter and had to turn down volume on i-pod...sound seemed louder.

Gym the following night - same Nordic Ski equipment (as had been using for previous years of sessions) - this time heartrate 10 - 20bpm slower than usual but same workout...same machine. Slept very well. No other changes to diet, moderate alcohol.

Also was swimming in indoor pool regularly at the time and noticed strong "swimming pool"..chlorineish? smell after ten minutes. Currently not swimming and don't get same smell.

Bought an array for approx £350. Interestingly the water turns brown after 30 minutes with no feet in!! But goes black and crusty with feet in..

Definitely something works...some kind of reverse osmosis through the feet? No idea. Very thirsty after using...why? Must be doing something.

I suspect half the claims (auras etc) may be rubbish but I've noticed a measured, quantifiable effect on sports performance, visual and aural acuity (and hangover recovery!)

Regards

Ed

Silly Green Monkey · 4th September 2006, 10:23 AM

Doesn't having a hangover make your senses oversensitive already?

Blue Wode · 12th September 2006, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by lawman

Regarding the Aqua Detox: I am looking for anyone who has had an experience with this or a like device. would you please either post a message or send me data on any experience you have had or, heard of, regarding any "detoxifying" device that uses a water bath with a mild electric current that is supposed to draw out the "toxins" in your body.
My interest is frankly punative. I intend to expose these quacks, and if possible, see to it they are prosecuted by the law.
For the veiwers who beleive in this nonsense, and all the DC supporters out there, bring it on? Not that they would be veiwing this site, but you never know.

Here you are:

http://www.click2houston.com/video/5425517/index.html

Apparently the practitioners featured in that news excerpt haven't received any complaints (yet).

Nancarrow · 14th September 2006, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by EdwardBusk

First tried when I was 36 (as a hang-over cure!) Went to pseudo clinic charged £30 for half hour session.

Hang-over inducing amount of booze: £30

Half hour session of aqua detox: £30

Plenty of water and a couple of headache tablets: 10p.

Taking the third instead of the second in response to the first: priceless.

Marc L · 18th September 2006, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

I did my PhD on the physiology and composition of sweat

Wh-wh-huh?

No offense, Rolfe, but that seems to be an odd course of study for a doctorate, at least to me.

Marc

6th October 2003, 02:39 AM	#1
atarian Student Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 48	Aqua Detox Something about the brazenness of the Aqua Detox scam in this weeks commentary really made me . That these people would charge £1000 for such useless junk is shameful. That they are based in my home county, Surrey (for the moment) made it worse. I would urge any UK JREFers to go to this site: http://www.consumercomplaints.org.uk/index.asp and report this scam. The more that do so, the better the chance we can put them out of business.

6th October 2003, 05:43 AM	#2
BillyJoe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MOOROOLBARK Posts: 12,539	atarian, with only 35 posts in two years, you must be mad.
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7th October 2003, 07:05 AM	#4
Pakaran Scholar Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 65	Detox It looks like all they're doing is forcing the iron electrodes to rust at an accelerated rate by applying a voltage. How this helps health, unless you have an iron deficiency and drink the water, is somewhat confusing to me.
Pakaran Scholar Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 65

11th October 2003, 04:01 AM	#5
Kess Thinker Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 193	My wife was "treated" to an Aqua Detox session a few months ago (I asked about it here at http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showt...threadid=23931 ). At the time I guessed it was a scam but didn't know what the modus operandii was; however my wife did comment at the time that, as well as changing colour, the water smelt metallic afterwards. That would seem to support the rusty electrode explanation.
Kess Thinker Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 193

13th October 2003, 05:12 PM	#6
Pakaran Scholar Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 65	Quote: Originally posted by Kess My wife was "treated" to an Aqua Detox session a few months ago (I asked about it here at http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showt...threadid=23931 ). At the time I guessed it was a scam but didn't know what the modus operandii was; however my wife did comment at the time that, as well as changing colour, the water smelt metallic afterwards. That would seem to support the rusty electrode explanation. Yep. The way iron rusts in say a car is by very slight differences in voltage at the borders between metal crystals; single-crystal metal rusts very slowly indeed. By applying an outside voltage, especially in a conductive environment like salt water, you can make it rust in minutes/hours instead of months. That's also why salt in the winter is so bad for scratched parts of cars - it allows that microvoltage to "drain" more quickly, speeding the reaction.
Pakaran Scholar Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 65

6th October 2003, 08:00 AM	#3
atarian Student Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 48	I'm working on it BillyJoe. Trading Standards have emailed me back: --------------C&P-------------------------------------- ConsumerComplaints.org.uk - Notification of Actioned Complaint Please note that your complaint has been actioned by: Surrey County Council Consumer Advice Team Mid Surrey Area Office Baytree Avenue, Kingston Road Leatherhead, Surrey, KT22 7SY eMail: consumer.advice@surreycc.gov.uk Phone: 01372 371717 Fax: 01372 371704 --------------C&P--------------------------------------

17th October 2003, 04:03 AM	#7
atarian Student Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 48	Bump to add: The Trading Standards people have tried to contact me by phone already and they are investigating. Yah Boo sucks to you AquaDetox.

17th October 2003, 07:29 AM	#8
tonygraham Thinker Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 225	I've reported them, too.
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20th October 2003, 04:54 AM	#9
tonygraham Thinker Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 225	My complaint's being dealt with by Darlington Trading Standards, so hopefully there'll be a two-pronged investigation.
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24th October 2003, 04:48 AM	#10
tonygraham Thinker Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 225	Just been contacted also by Richmond on Thames Trading Standards, who wanted more details about my complaint. I've given them a very lengthy critique of the claims in Aqua Detox's brochure. Here's hoping
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20th November 2003, 02:49 AM	#11
tonygraham Thinker Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 225	Interesting reply to an email I sent. I wrote - "Having read your brochure, I wonder if you could clear up a few points for me? 1) “The water in the foot bath (or bath) becomes an extension of the water in the body, from which it is separated by nothing more substantial than a thin membrane - the skin.” How can this be possible, as one of the skin’s main functions is to waterproof the body? 2) “….. , the unit creates the electrolytic flow (a flow of electrons)…” Electrolysis does not involve a flow of electrons, it is a movement of ions – entirely different. If one reads p3 of your own brochure (which, by the way, could have been lifted from any GCSE chemistry textbook and bears little relevance for the rest of your claims), this is quite clear. 3) “Research has proved that the human body is electrical.” Can you provide references for this research? My understanding (and I have a degree in neurobiology) is that the body is electrochemical – again, quite different. 4) “The brain produces and stores electricity.” This is simply untrue – electricity is a flow of electrons, while the whole of the nervous system works on the movement of ions across membranes. 5) “Results taken on a Bicom 2000 Bio-Resonance Machine” Please can you provide some indication as to what the figures in these tables refer to – there is no explanation in the text. " The reply I received from 'Neilbevan' - "Hi The brochure you have read was written by Dr Javier Marubens MD and Dr MArty Staggs ND. The only part which we disagree with is your reference tro the skin being to waterproof the body. The skin is the biggest organ of the body with millions of pores -sweat glands. Its through these pores that we excrete our toxins. The Bio-Detox, Vega and the Best machines measure as to how balanced ones organs are and the optimum on all machines is around 50. Less than this they say means that one is unbalanced. We agree they must have taken it from a school book. Further info can be sought via the two Doctors on mary@herbs-that-work.com " No further word from Trading Standards, as yet.
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20th November 2003, 03:01 AM	#12
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,406	Quote: Originally posted by tonygraham The skin is the biggest organ of the body with millions of pores -sweat glands. Its through these pores that we excrete our toxins. This is such amazing BS. I did my PhD on the physiology and composition of sweat (well, horse sweat, and it's a lot different, but you can imagine what my reading list consisted of), and I can categorically say that human sweat does not excrete toxins (if you mean such things as urea and ammonia). There is a little of these things in it, but it isn't an excretory path. The water in the sweat is carefully excreted by specialised cells, for the purpose of thermoregulation, and the fact that the body can do this in no way invalidates the essential point about the skin being there to waterproof the body. This is the most amazing BS, and I'm tempted to get West Sussex Trading Standards on to them as well. Rolfe.
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20th November 2003, 04:36 AM	#13
atarian Student Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 48	The more the merrier Rolfe.

2nd February 2006, 11:06 AM	#14
lawman New Blood Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: kansas Posts: 20	lawman Regarding the Aqua Detox ( more correctly called the "Aqua Income") machine: I have noticed that a local quack chiropractors ( redundent?) has started selling "treatments" with this device. I am amazed that people are so poorly educated that they fail to see this scam for what it is , a scam, at first gance. Then the quack DC seperates them from their money with a liberal application of Chirobabble,(sales pitch). I have heard this chirobabble. It is amazing how words such as "new", "powerful", "dynamic","wellness", "detoxify" and " restorative" can persuade otherwise intellegent people to give their money away.

16th March 2006, 11:15 AM	#15
lawman New Blood Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: kansas Posts: 20	Regarding the Aqua Detox: I am looking for anyone who has had an experience with this or a like device. would you please either post a message or send me data on any experience you have had or, heard of, regarding any "detoxifying" device that uses a water bath with a mild electric current that is supposed to draw out the "toxins" in your body. My interest is frankly punative. I intend to expose these quacks, and if possible, see to it they are prosecuted by the law. For the veiwers who beleive in this nonsense, and all the DC supporters out there, bring it on? Not that they would be veiwing this site, but you never know.

17th March 2006, 04:05 AM	#16
Blue Wode Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,277	Here’s a good blog article on the Aqua Detox system (written by an MD): http://theclayexperience.blogspot.co...e_archive.html

4th September 2006, 10:06 AM	#17
EdwardBusk New Blood Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1	Aqua detox Hi all, Don't believe in new age mumbo - jumbo either but in some ways aqua detox seems to work.... First tried when I was 36 (as a hang-over cure!) Went to pseudo clinic charged £30 for half hour session. Didn't feel any different immediately but noticed that colours seemed brighter and had to turn down volume on i-pod...sound seemed louder. Gym the following night - same Nordic Ski equipment (as had been using for previous years of sessions) - this time heartrate 10 - 20bpm slower than usual but same workout...same machine. Slept very well. No other changes to diet, moderate alcohol. Also was swimming in indoor pool regularly at the time and noticed strong "swimming pool"..chlorineish? smell after ten minutes. Currently not swimming and don't get same smell. Bought an array for approx £350. Interestingly the water turns brown after 30 minutes with no feet in!! But goes black and crusty with feet in.. Definitely something works...some kind of reverse osmosis through the feet? No idea. Very thirsty after using...why? Must be doing something. I suspect half the claims (auras etc) may be rubbish but I've noticed a measured, quantifiable effect on sports performance, visual and aural acuity (and hangover recovery!) Regards Ed
EdwardBusk New Blood Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1

4th September 2006, 10:23 AM	#18
Silly Green Monkey Cowardly Lurking in the Shadows of Greatness Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,093	Doesn't having a hangover make your senses oversensitive already?

12th September 2006, 01:13 AM	#19
Blue Wode Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,277	Originally Posted by lawman Regarding the Aqua Detox: I am looking for anyone who has had an experience with this or a like device. would you please either post a message or send me data on any experience you have had or, heard of, regarding any "detoxifying" device that uses a water bath with a mild electric current that is supposed to draw out the "toxins" in your body. My interest is frankly punative. I intend to expose these quacks, and if possible, see to it they are prosecuted by the law. For the veiwers who beleive in this nonsense, and all the DC supporters out there, bring it on? Not that they would be veiwing this site, but you never know. Here you are: http://www.click2houston.com/video/5425517/index.html Apparently the practitioners featured in that news excerpt haven't received any complaints (yet).

14th September 2006, 04:25 PM	#20
Nancarrow Chelonian Overlord Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 468	Originally Posted by EdwardBusk First tried when I was 36 (as a hang-over cure!) Went to pseudo clinic charged £30 for half hour session. Hang-over inducing amount of booze: £30 Half hour session of aqua detox: £30 Plenty of water and a couple of headache tablets: 10p. Taking the third instead of the second in response to the first: priceless.
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18th September 2006, 07:56 PM	#21
Marc L Thread Killer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,743	Originally Posted by Rolfe I did my PhD on the physiology and composition of sweat Wh-wh-huh? No offense, Rolfe, but that seems to be an odd course of study for a doctorate, at least to me. Marc
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