The UFO And Alien Disclosure

Space_Ed · 28th April 2008, 07:13 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

Sit down watch it be quiet. You can skip the first superflous three minutes. Now is the time to change your mind. If you watch this and still don't believe it you are just as deluded and foolish as a creationist. Thankyou.

I recommend doing some background research on the events mentioned because you will find copious amounts of evidence supporting their statements. I have come across information from different sources stating that our species is under a subtle form of mind control and that we are much less likely to believe in extraterrestrial intelligence than we otherwise would be. Don't be weak minded.

I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses.

Tristan Chi · 28th April 2008, 07:48 AM

No way I'm gonna waste 115 minutes just to be shown the greatest secret of all time.

Please summarize.

Elvis666 · 28th April 2008, 07:58 AM

Here's Randi's take on this: http://www.randi.org/jr/07-06-01.html

I watched the first twenty minutes and might try to get through the rest later. So far, no evidence, just hearsay and testimony.

krelnik · 28th April 2008, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Space_Ed

You can skip the first superflous three minutes.

Its more like 14 1/2 minutes before anything remotely interesting occurs in this video. What a waste of time.

If you really want anyone to watch it, I would suggest you make a table of contents for this video, something like this:

0:00 Introduction by actor Jon Cypher (no content)
3:00 Introduction by Steven M. Greer (no content)
14:30 Retired FAA accident investigator John Callahan

That way people who are already familiar with some of these people can skip to information they haven't seen. You're asking ALOT of people to watch a video that is 115 minutes long.

wahrheit · 28th April 2008, 08:41 AM

Holy something, I fast forwarded through it. Nothing but blah, blah, blah.

A little gem from one of the speakers (@101 minutes):

Quote:

This is an alien reproduction vehicle, and just to be clear this means that it is based on advanced anti-gravity and zero point energy propulsion systems [...] manufactured by [...] Lockheed Martin, Northrop, SAIC [...] they do have super Luminol (?) capacity, which is faster than the speed of light capacity [...] blah blah blah

Space_Ed, only because some people, be they ex military, government or whatever, firmly believe something, or say they would swear in a court of law that it was true, doesn't make it so.

Psiload · 28th April 2008, 09:07 AM

Do any of these people have anything more to offer than

?

Gate2501 · 28th April 2008, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Space_Ed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

Sit down watch it be quiet. You can skip the first superflous three minutes. Now is the time to change your mind. If you watch this and still don't believe it you are just as deluded and foolish as a creationist. Thankyou.

I recommend doing some background research on the events mentioned because you will find copious amounts of evidence supporting their statements. I have come across information from different sources stating that our species is under a subtle form of mind control and that we are much less likely to believe in extraterrestrial intelligence than we otherwise would be. Don't be weak minded.

I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses.

I have seen this already, watched it the entire way through with a friend who was with me demanding that I see it...

Ed,

When you come at us with statements like "If you watch this and still don't believe it you are just as deluded and foolish as a creationist." and "I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses." You probably aren't going to actually have productive discussion, and it leads me to believe that you are not looking for one in the first place.

As for my criticism of the movie itself, it is nothing but anecdotes from individuals who appear to speak from authority.

As for your own claim:

Quote:

I have come across information from different sources stating that our species is under a subtle form of mind control and that we are much less likely to believe in extraterrestrial intelligence than we otherwise would be.

Please reveal these sources to us.

Astrophotographer · 28th April 2008, 09:49 AM

This is a stephen greer production. The guy is a con-man/snake oil salesmen. A lot of his "witnesses" are not credible and those that have some credibility are not very convincing. It is another conspiracy theory that UFO groups love to use to hide their ineptitiude at doing real scientific research. That being the US government (as well as all other governments in the world and the aliens themselves) is hiding the truth from the people.
Greer likes to shine lights into the sky to communicate with UFOs and remote view them. He even offers special courses in these techniques to the general public, for a price (and a hefty price it is). To me, it is nothing more than a money making scheme that Greer figured out. UFO groupies are just not bright enough to figure it out.

chrome_gnome · 28th April 2008, 10:34 AM

Dr. Greer, the guy who claims to be able to levitate, summon UFOs telepathically, do astral travel and other amazing feats despite the fact he is "just a country doctor"? Maybe you have to buy his meditation CDs he sells on the disclosure website in order to understand his "expanded consciousness". This guy claims to have all sorts of free energy designs and other junk available if you just join his club and buy his books.

Something tells me the fair doctor here over-prescribed himself a few meds over the years

grayman · 28th April 2008, 11:04 AM

I'll admit that I have seen a cylindrical object with flashing lights pass near my house. When it came to a rest I noticed small creatures exiting the craft.

Usually happens around three in the afternoon.

Hokulele · 28th April 2008, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by grayman

I'll admit that I have seen a cylindrical object with flashing lights pass near my house. When it came to a rest I noticed small creatures exiting the craft.

Usually happens around three in the afternoon.

I suspect it involves some subtle form of mind control. Or maybe not so subtle.

wahrheit · 28th April 2008, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

I suspect it involves some subtle form of mind control. Or maybe not so subtle.

I thought it involves something to do with birth control.

Magic 9-Ball · 28th April 2008, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Space_Ed

I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses.

So if I've researched the evidence, and found none anywhere to convince me with proof that flying saucers and aliens from other planets exist, is that closed minded or ignorant?

Probably the latter, I suspect.

Astrophotographer · 28th April 2008, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by grayman

I'll admit that I have seen a cylindrical object with flashing lights pass near my house. When it came to a rest I noticed small creatures exiting the craft.

Usually happens around three in the afternoon.

Hmmm...Was Dr. Greer there flashing a high powered strobe at it? I am sure he will be able tell you what the "driver" of the craft was thinking through his telepathic connection.

dudalb · 28th April 2008, 11:35 AM

Watched one half hour of it.
Nothing new, Same UFO "Aliens Are Among US" crap that has been around for nearly 40 years.
Move along,folks,nothing to see.....

Fnord · 28th April 2008, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Space_Ed

I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses.

I await the expected appeals to authority and ignorance ... or ignorant authority, if you prefer.

Just give me a time index on the relevant facts. Something like:

00:00:00.00 = Beginning Of Recording

(... time passes...)

02:55:00.00 = End Of Recording

Can you do that, please?

Drudgewire · 28th April 2008, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Space_Ed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

Sit down watch it be quiet. You can skip the first superflous three minutes. Now is the time to change your mind. If you watch this and still don't believe it you are just as deluded and foolish as a creationist. Thankyou.

I recommend doing some background research on the events mentioned because you will find copious amounts of evidence supporting their statements. I have come across information from different sources stating that our species is under a subtle form of mind control and that we are much less likely to believe in extraterrestrial intelligence than we otherwise would be. Don't be weak minded.

I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses.

Well if there's one thing JREF has taught me, it's "anything on youtube must be believed without question or you're a close-minded cynic (or in on the cover-up)."

shadron · 28th April 2008, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Space_Ed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

Sit down watch it be quiet. You can skip the first superflous three minutes. Now is the time to change your mind. If you watch this and still don't believe it you are just as deluded and foolish as a creationist. Thankyou.

I recommend doing some background research on the events mentioned because you will find copious amounts of evidence supporting their statements. I have come across information from different sources stating that our species is under a subtle form of mind control and that we are much less likely to believe in extraterrestrial intelligence than we otherwise would be. Don't be weak minded.

I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses.

The one thing this insulting, well-poisoning, utterly deluded diatribe has done for me is to allow me to recognize "Space_Ed" as an indicator for preachy non-information source. It's going to take a lot of effort on your part to correct that now, if you even care to. Please, don't thank my weak-minded self.

My closed-minded and ignorant 2 cents. And proud of it.

King of the Americas · 28th April 2008, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Psiload

Do any of these people have anything more to offer than

?

Lots of people have tons to offer... Blurry pictures, degraded video footage, sworn statements from radar operators, pilots, ground crews...and even the occasional wacko abductee. So long as you consider such evidence 'unscientific', and thus worthless, the truth of this matter will elude you.

(*Check your PM Inbox.)

Moochie · 28th April 2008, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Space_Ed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

Sit down watch it be quiet. You can skip the first superflous three minutes. Now is the time to change your mind. If you watch this and still don't believe it you are just as deluded and foolish as a creationist. Thankyou.

I recommend doing some background research on the events mentioned because you will find copious amounts of evidence supporting their statements. I have come across information from different sources stating that our species is under a subtle form of mind control and that we are much less likely to believe in extraterrestrial intelligence than we otherwise would be. Don't be weak minded.

I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses.

Is it sheer coincidence that one of the speakers, a Mr. Don Phillips, looks amazingly like Ray Walston -- My Favorite Martian?

M.

kittynh · 28th April 2008, 06:53 PM

The point is that if it is REAL, we'll all KNOW soon enough. This won't be what makes the world wake up to the reality of UFOs as alien technology. As say some sort of weird human technology.

Aliens aren't members of any world government or conspiracy....they don't need to hide and I expect they will make known why they are here if they ARE here.

fuelair · 28th April 2008, 07:15 PM

I assume, just because of the number of stars of our type in the Universe that there is life, some of it likely intelligent, in the Universe. That very number and the distances between them make it exceptionally unlikely that we will run across any of them or vice-versa. Even if we are actually looking for each other even at light or "warp" speeds. Too many places, too little time.

Hope you enjoyed your video, I really don't need to - just based on the statistics and the science. Feel free to drop in for dinner and introduce an extraterrestial if you get a chance. I am willing to be proved wrong but words won't do it. Evidence does the real talking.

arthwollipot · 28th April 2008, 11:12 PM

Someone appears to be missing from the discussion...

But hey, it's only been four hours.

The Atheist · 29th April 2008, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Psiload

Do any of these people have anything more to offer than

?

No.

King of the Americas · 29th April 2008, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

I assume, just because of the number of stars of our type in the Universe that there is life, some of it likely intelligent, in the Universe. That very number and the distances between them make it exceptionally unlikely that we will run across any of them or vice-versa. Even if we are actually looking for each other even at light or "warp" speeds. Too many places, too little time.

Hope you enjoyed your video, I really don't need to - just based on the statistics and the science. Feel free to drop in for dinner and introduce an extraterrestial if you get a chance. I am willing to be proved wrong but words won't do it. Evidence does the real talking.

*But WHAT IF, they have always been 'here'...? IF U.F.O.'s weren't EXTRA-TERRESTERIAL, then they wouldn't have to spend time and energy scouting out the galaxy.

If their origins, were 'terresterial' or even oceanic, would THAT help you accept their possibile existance?

Not that I have any 'proof' of that either.

Correa Neto · 29th April 2008, 09:08 AM

So, you want us to take seriously the idea that we've been sharing this planet with a technological civilization able to build such astonishing vehicles but never managed to leave a single reliable trace of its existence?

Where are their cities, dump deposits, mines, smelters, factories, etc?

Nope. This idea will not help me accepting UFOs (or some of them) are non-human craft.

King of the Americas · 29th April 2008, 09:51 AM

"reliable trace"...?

No.

Imagine the elephant who shows back up to his herd, after being tagged and released-

"Guys these tiny, pink, two footed creatures captured me, and told me to calm down. Then they poked and prodded me, and finally they put this collar on me. The next thing I know, I wake up, and they are all gone, and I have this pounding headache."

Then the other elephants chime in-

"Carl has been in the poppy patch again."

"You probably just wandered into another craft crash, and that's were you got that weird collar."

"Look around Carl, if these tiny, pink, two footed things existed, we'd see evidence of their factories, dumps, and infrastructure EVERYWHERE. To date, only you and drunk Lenny claim to have seen them..."

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"Absense of evidence is NOT evidence of absense."

Correa Neto · 29th April 2008, 10:07 AM

Have you ever noticed that humans leave reliable traces of their existence where elephants live? Garbage, tire marks, abandomned camps, not to mention villages...

Carl would just have to take his pals to the nearby camp, village, farm, etc. and point his trunk towards the pink bipedal creatures and their cars.

Absence of evidence CAN BE evidence of absence.

There are no evidences that a massive black hole is orbiting Earth right now. Does it means its not an evidence of the absence of a massive black hole orbiting our planet ?

King of the Americas · 30th April 2008, 07:47 AM

Carl would have to convience his cohorts that there is at least the 'possibility', of seeing real tiny pink 2 footed creatures, for them to make the trek, TO look for evidence of such things.

ALL of his elephant friends think neither he nor Lenny actually saw anything. Garbage, tire marks, or old camps, 'COULD' have been faked, and since no one could 'scientifically test' these things or recreate them with actual pink beings, no one believes in them...so everyone refuses to waste their time in such futile endeavors.

Garbage could just fall out of the sky. Tire markes could be just fruit that baboons rolled in parallel lines, and old camps could be super smart ape club houses.

All it would take is one elephant to laughingly say, "Oh 'I' tagged Carl, after I slipped him a few poppies. In fact, I did the same thing to Lenny last year..."

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There IS evidence that there is no black hole orbiting our planet.

Black holes are or have HUGE gravitational fields, so much so that the Sun's light wouldn't even get to us. The simple fact that we can SEE visible light from the Sun, IS evidence that there is no black hole anywhere near us.

slyjoe · 30th April 2008, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

...snip the elephants.

There IS evidence that there is no black hole orbiting our planet.

Black holes are or have HUGE gravitational fields, so much so that the Sun's light wouldn't even get to us. The simple fact that we can SEE visible light from the Sun, IS evidence that there is no black hole anywhere near us.

That is not entirely correct.

Only a subset of black holes have this property. Small black holes could exist; however, they are extremely hard to detect. Maybe when QM and GR is more unified we will know more.

If a black hole as massive as a few thousand tons were to pass through a room, only a slight gravitational tug would be felt.

King of the Americas · 30th April 2008, 12:47 PM

"I see nothing." is VERY different than "There is nothing to see."

Hokulele · 30th April 2008, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

Carl would have to convience his cohorts that there is at least the 'possibility', of seeing real tiny pink 2 footed creatures, for them to make the trek, TO look for evidence of such things.

Why do you assume the elephants have never made the trek to look? Maybe Carl has pulled the same stunt 20 times, and 20 times the elephants all patiently trundled over to have a peek. When the pink creature turned out to be an azalea bush for the 20th time, the rest of the elephants decided to stop wasting their time on the same nonsense.

Now, if Frank comes out claiming to see Carl and Lenny eating the flowers off of the azalea bush, some things may be explained.

MageLite · 30th April 2008, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

"Absense of evidence is NOT evidence of absense."

Nor is it evidence of existence.

Foolmewunz · 1st May 2008, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Space_Ed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

Sit down watch it be quiet. You can skip the first superflous three minutes. Now is the time to change your mind. If you watch this and still don't believe it you are just as deluded and foolish as a creationist. Thankyou.

I recommend doing some background research on the events mentioned because you will find copious amounts of evidence supporting their statements. I have come across information from different sources stating that our species is under a subtle form of mind control and that we are much less likely to believe in extraterrestrial intelligence than we otherwise would be. Don't be weak minded.

I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses.

Not The Disclosure Project, Again! I won't go through more than the title screen. I promised my brain I would never subject it to another piece of crap from TDP.

Please... didn't we do a massive thread with LightShips-R-Us(or whatever his screen name was.... something with "light" in it) on the flying saucers from the Apollo Mission - also brought to you by these same wonderful folks at TDP.

I read through reams of their documents, and they're all the same as this video, appeals to authority with no evidence other than said authority.

Fnord · 1st May 2008, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

"I see nothing." is VERY different than "There is nothing to see."

Ahh ... the Dungeon Master's Dilemma ...

PC THIEF: "I search the room for traps."
DM: "You do not find any traps."
PC THIEF: "I step into the center of the room."
DM: "You take 33 hit points of damage from the trap."
PC THIEF: "I had only 22 hit points."
DM: "Then you're dead."
PC THIEF: "You said there were no traps."
DM: "No, I said that you didn't find any traps."
PC THIEF: "Same thing!"
DM: "Quiet! Dead thieves don't talk back."

Correa Neto · 1st May 2008, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

Carl would have to convience his cohorts that there is at least the 'possibility', of seeing real tiny pink 2 footed creatures, for them to make the trek, TO look for evidence of such things.

ALL of his elephant friends think neither he nor Lenny actually saw anything. Garbage, tire marks, or old camps, 'COULD' have been faked, and since no one could 'scientifically test' these things or recreate them with actual pink beings, no one believes in them...so everyone refuses to waste their time in such futile endeavors.

Garbage could just fall out of the sky. Tire markes could be just fruit that baboons rolled in parallel lines, and old camps could be super smart ape club houses.

All it would take is one elephant to laughingly say, "Oh 'I' tagged Carl, after I slipped him a few poppies. In fact, I did the same thing to Lenny last year..."

---

Last time I checked, elephants don't build things such as tagging collars and most of the things which can be found within our garbage... Here's all the evidence wich would be required to convince them of other sentient beings with a higher technological level.

Got some pieces of evidence like this available?

BTW, Carl's buddies would be right on spot, since the camps were made by super smart apes.

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

There IS evidence that there is no black hole orbiting our planet.

Black holes are or have HUGE gravitational fields, so much so that the Sun's light wouldn't even get to us. The simple fact that we can SEE visible light from the Sun, IS evidence that there is no black hole anywhere near us.

Oh, but look, this may be a different black hole, with different properties!

Or its orbit may be in such a way that it will never be between us and the Sun!

See? Same line of reasoning...

Moochie · 1st May 2008, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

Not The Disclosure Project, Again! I won't go through more than the title screen. I promised my brain I would never subject it to another piece of crap from TDP.

Please... didn't we do a massive thread with LightShips-R-Us(or whatever his screen name was.... something with "light" in it) on the flying saucers from the Apollo Mission - also brought to you by these same wonderful folks at TDP.

I read through reams of their documents, and they're all the same as this video, appeals to authority with no evidence other than said authority.

Just shows that deluded folk can organize.

M.

King of the Americas · 2nd May 2008, 07:47 AM

"EVERYTIME some reports a UFO, we investigate and find that they DIDN'T see alien craft, but rather just some mis-identified NORMAL event or object.

So we have decided that UFO's don't exist, and we won't be investigating any more sightings."

That sound perfectly scientific and reasonable to me!

*Insert roll eyes icon here.*

Foolmewunz · 2nd May 2008, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

"EVERYTIME some reports a UFO, we investigate and find that they DIDN'T see alien craft, but rather just some mis-identified NORMAL event or object.

So we have decided that UFO's don't exist, and we won't be investigating any more sightings."

That sound perfectly scientific and reasonable to me!

*Insert roll eyes icon here.*

Now that's not true, and you likely know it; you're just making rhetorical points on your scorecard. Many of us have stated many a time that ET and UFOs are in that category of things referred to, to use the technical term, as "Wouldn't it be cool if....?" Bigfoot, Nessie, Telekinesis, Mindreading... they'd all be fun, but the problem is we just haven't seen any evidence that can't be debunked (or that isn't a blurry hand-held or doctored video).

No one's actually said, "Cease With These Investigations". More like, cease posting crap and claiming it's proof!

Astrophotographer · 2nd May 2008, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by King of the Americas

"EVERYTIME some reports a UFO, we investigate and find that they DIDN'T see alien craft, but rather just some mis-identified NORMAL event or object.

So we have decided that UFO's don't exist, and we won't be investigating any more sightings."

That sound perfectly scientific and reasonable to me!

*Insert roll eyes icon here.*

The point is what is there to investigate? After reading hundreds, if not thousands, of UFO reports, all one can conlude is that an individual saw something they could not identify. Consider this very important point: A significant majority of UFO sightings can be explained as misperceptions/hoaxes. Depending on the UFO organization/UFOlogist you ask, this number is anywhere between 75-95%. If 75-95% of the sightings are mistakes/hoaxes, how good are the other 5-25%? Could they simply be a combination of really good hoaxes that fool people and are not exposed or a lot of mistakes poorly reported that can not be identified? That is not too far a stretch to reach. People make mistakes and can be confused no matter what the profession of the individual.

I recall reading Dr. William Hartmann stating something like "listing a bunch of unsolvable mysteries is not the same thing as actually solving mysteries" when talking about UFOs. All UFOlogy is good at is collecting a bunch of mystery stories and it is not really involved in trying to solve them. If they were, you would see a lot more definitive evidence. It is fun to speculate about but the fact is there are usually reasonable explanations. Perhaps you should read Carl Sagan's "Demon Haunted World". I was never a big Sagan fan until I read that book.

28th April 2008, 07:13 AM	#1
Space_Ed Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 549	The UFO And Alien Disclosure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk Sit down watch it be quiet. You can skip the first superflous three minutes. Now is the time to change your mind. If you watch this and still don't believe it you are just as deluded and foolish as a creationist. Thankyou. I recommend doing some background research on the events mentioned because you will find copious amounts of evidence supporting their statements. I have come across information from different sources stating that our species is under a subtle form of mind control and that we are much less likely to believe in extraterrestrial intelligence than we otherwise would be. Don't be weak minded. I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses.
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28th April 2008, 07:58 AM	#3
Elvis666 Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 278	Here's Randi's take on this: http://www.randi.org/jr/07-06-01.html I watched the first twenty minutes and might try to get through the rest later. So far, no evidence, just hearsay and testimony.
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28th April 2008, 07:59 AM	#4
krelnik Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,185	Originally Posted by Space_Ed You can skip the first superflous three minutes. Its more like 14 1/2 minutes before anything remotely interesting occurs in this video. What a waste of time. If you really want anyone to watch it, I would suggest you make a table of contents for this video, something like this: 0:00 Introduction by actor Jon Cypher (no content) 3:00 Introduction by Steven M. Greer (no content) 14:30 Retired FAA accident investigator John Callahan That way people who are already familiar with some of these people can skip to information they haven't seen. You're asking ALOT of people to watch a video that is 115 minutes long.
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28th April 2008, 08:41 AM	#5
wahrheit Pac-Man Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,591	Holy something, I fast forwarded through it. Nothing but blah, blah, blah. A little gem from one of the speakers (@101 minutes): Quote: This is an alien reproduction vehicle, and just to be clear this means that it is based on advanced anti-gravity and zero point energy propulsion systems [...] manufactured by [...] Lockheed Martin, Northrop, SAIC [...] they do have super Luminol (?) capacity, which is faster than the speed of light capacity [...] blah blah blah Space_Ed, only because some people, be they ex military, government or whatever, firmly believe something, or say they would swear in a court of law that it was true, doesn't make it so.
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28th April 2008, 09:07 AM	#6
Psiload Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,105	Do any of these people have anything more to offer than ?
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28th April 2008, 07:48 AM	#2
Tristan Chi Thinker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southern Sweden Posts: 151	No way I'm gonna waste 115 minutes just to be shown the greatest secret of all time. Please summarize.

28th April 2008, 09:44 AM	#7
Gate2501 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,377	Originally Posted by Space_Ed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk Sit down watch it be quiet. You can skip the first superflous three minutes. Now is the time to change your mind. If you watch this and still don't believe it you are just as deluded and foolish as a creationist. Thankyou. I recommend doing some background research on the events mentioned because you will find copious amounts of evidence supporting their statements. I have come across information from different sources stating that our species is under a subtle form of mind control and that we are much less likely to believe in extraterrestrial intelligence than we otherwise would be. Don't be weak minded. I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses. I have seen this already, watched it the entire way through with a friend who was with me demanding that I see it... Ed, When you come at us with statements like "If you watch this and still don't believe it you are just as deluded and foolish as a creationist." and "I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses." You probably aren't going to actually have productive discussion, and it leads me to believe that you are not looking for one in the first place. As for my criticism of the movie itself, it is nothing but anecdotes from individuals who appear to speak from authority. As for your own claim: Quote: I have come across information from different sources stating that our species is under a subtle form of mind control and that we are much less likely to believe in extraterrestrial intelligence than we otherwise would be. Please reveal these sources to us.

28th April 2008, 09:49 AM	#8
Astrophotographer Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Manchester, NH Posts: 1,890	This is a stephen greer production. The guy is a con-man/snake oil salesmen. A lot of his "witnesses" are not credible and those that have some credibility are not very convincing. It is another conspiracy theory that UFO groups love to use to hide their ineptitiude at doing real scientific research. That being the US government (as well as all other governments in the world and the aliens themselves) is hiding the truth from the people. Greer likes to shine lights into the sky to communicate with UFOs and remote view them. He even offers special courses in these techniques to the general public, for a price (and a hefty price it is). To me, it is nothing more than a money making scheme that Greer figured out. UFO groupies are just not bright enough to figure it out.

28th April 2008, 10:34 AM	#9
chrome_gnome New Blood Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA USA Posts: 2	Dr. Greer, the guy who claims to be able to levitate, summon UFOs telepathically, do astral travel and other amazing feats despite the fact he is "just a country doctor"? Maybe you have to buy his meditation CDs he sells on the disclosure website in order to understand his "expanded consciousness". This guy claims to have all sorts of free energy designs and other junk available if you just join his club and buy his books. Something tells me the fair doctor here over-prescribed himself a few meds over the years
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28th April 2008, 11:04 AM	#10
grayman Happy-go-lucky Heretic Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Casa del Whacko Posts: 6,142	I'll admit that I have seen a cylindrical object with flashing lights pass near my house. When it came to a rest I noticed small creatures exiting the craft. Usually happens around three in the afternoon.
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28th April 2008, 11:09 AM	#11
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,265	Originally Posted by grayman I'll admit that I have seen a cylindrical object with flashing lights pass near my house. When it came to a rest I noticed small creatures exiting the craft. Usually happens around three in the afternoon. I suspect it involves some subtle form of mind control. Or maybe not so subtle.
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28th April 2008, 11:12 AM	#12
wahrheit Pac-Man Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,591	Originally Posted by Hokulele I suspect it involves some subtle form of mind control. Or maybe not so subtle. I thought it involves something to do with birth control.
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28th April 2008, 11:22 AM	#13
Magic 9-Ball Hey, that's a good name for a band! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Here, on my way to there. Posts: 1,504	Originally Posted by Space_Ed I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses. So if I've researched the evidence, and found none anywhere to convince me with proof that flying saucers and aliens from other planets exist, is that closed minded or ignorant? Probably the latter, I suspect.
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28th April 2008, 11:31 AM	#14
Astrophotographer Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Manchester, NH Posts: 1,890	Originally Posted by grayman I'll admit that I have seen a cylindrical object with flashing lights pass near my house. When it came to a rest I noticed small creatures exiting the craft. Usually happens around three in the afternoon. Hmmm...Was Dr. Greer there flashing a high powered strobe at it? I am sure he will be able tell you what the "driver" of the craft was thinking through his telepathic connection.

28th April 2008, 11:35 AM	#15
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,782	Watched one half hour of it. Nothing new, Same UFO "Aliens Are Among US" crap that has been around for nearly 40 years. Move along,folks,nothing to see.....
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28th April 2008, 11:43 AM	#16
Fnord Metasyntactic Variable Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 6,633	Originally Posted by Space_Ed I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses. I await the expected appeals to authority and ignorance ... or ignorant authority, if you prefer. Just give me a time index on the relevant facts. Something like: 00:00:00.00 = Beginning Of Recording *(... time passes...)* 02:55:00.00 = End Of Recording Can you do that, please?
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28th April 2008, 11:44 AM	#17
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,434	Originally Posted by Space_Ed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk Sit down watch it be quiet. You can skip the first superflous three minutes. Now is the time to change your mind. If you watch this and still don't believe it you are just as deluded and foolish as a creationist. Thankyou. I recommend doing some background research on the events mentioned because you will find copious amounts of evidence supporting their statements. I have come across information from different sources stating that our species is under a subtle form of mind control and that we are much less likely to believe in extraterrestrial intelligence than we otherwise would be. Don't be weak minded. I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses. Well if there's one thing JREF has taught me, it's "anything on youtube must be believed without question or you're a close-minded cynic (or in on the cover-up)."
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28th April 2008, 12:00 PM	#18
shadron Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,717	Originally Posted by Space_Ed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk Sit down watch it be quiet. You can skip the first superflous three minutes. Now is the time to change your mind. If you watch this and still don't believe it you are just as deluded and foolish as a creationist. Thankyou. I recommend doing some background research on the events mentioned because you will find copious amounts of evidence supporting their statements. I have come across information from different sources stating that our species is under a subtle form of mind control and that we are much less likely to believe in extraterrestrial intelligence than we otherwise would be. Don't be weak minded. I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses. The one thing this insulting, well-poisoning, utterly deluded diatribe has done for me is to allow me to recognize "Space_Ed" as an indicator for preachy non-information source. It's going to take a lot of effort on your part to correct that now, if you even care to. Please, don't thank my weak-minded self. My closed-minded and ignorant 2 cents. And proud of it.

28th April 2008, 02:20 PM	#19
King of the Americas Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: North Central Texas Posts: 5,071	Originally Posted by Psiload Do any of these people have anything more to offer than ? Lots of people have tons to offer... Blurry pictures, degraded video footage, sworn statements from radar operators, pilots, ground crews...and even the occasional wacko abductee. So long as you consider such evidence 'unscientific', and thus worthless, the truth of this matter will elude you. (*Check your PM Inbox.)

28th April 2008, 03:16 PM	#20
Moochie Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,495	Originally Posted by Space_Ed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk Sit down watch it be quiet. You can skip the first superflous three minutes. Now is the time to change your mind. If you watch this and still don't believe it you are just as deluded and foolish as a creationist. Thankyou. I recommend doing some background research on the events mentioned because you will find copious amounts of evidence supporting their statements. I have come across information from different sources stating that our species is under a subtle form of mind control and that we are much less likely to believe in extraterrestrial intelligence than we otherwise would be. Don't be weak minded. I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses. Is it sheer coincidence that one of the speakers, a Mr. Don Phillips, looks amazingly like Ray Walston -- My Favorite Martian? M.
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28th April 2008, 06:53 PM	#21
kittynh The Hupsu Detective auctioneer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: If I told the aliens could find me, and you know they read this forum Posts: 22,705	The point is that if it is REAL, we'll all KNOW soon enough. This won't be what makes the world wake up to the reality of UFOs as alien technology. As say some sort of weird human technology. Aliens aren't members of any world government or conspiracy....they don't need to hide and I expect they will make known why they are here if they ARE here.
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28th April 2008, 07:15 PM	#22
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,881	I assume, just because of the number of stars of our type in the Universe that there is life, some of it likely intelligent, in the Universe. That very number and the distances between them make it exceptionally unlikely that we will run across any of them or vice-versa. Even if we are actually looking for each other even at light or "warp" speeds. Too many places, too little time. Hope you enjoyed your video, I really don't need to - just based on the statistics and the science. Feel free to drop in for dinner and introduce an extraterrestial if you get a chance. I am willing to be proved wrong but words won't do it. Evidence does the real talking.
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28th April 2008, 11:12 PM	#23
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: The other side of your screen Posts: 42,956	Someone appears to be missing from the discussion... But hey, it's only been four hours.
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29th April 2008, 01:54 AM	#24
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Within smelling distance of the Grammar Death Camps Posts: 13,928	Originally Posted by Psiload Do any of these people have anything more to offer than ? No.
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29th April 2008, 08:38 AM	#25
King of the Americas Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: North Central Texas Posts: 5,071	Originally Posted by fuelair I assume, just because of the number of stars of our type in the Universe that there is life, some of it likely intelligent, in the Universe. That very number and the distances between them make it exceptionally unlikely that we will run across any of them or vice-versa. Even if we are actually looking for each other even at light or "warp" speeds. Too many places, too little time. Hope you enjoyed your video, I really don't need to - just based on the statistics and the science. Feel free to drop in for dinner and introduce an extraterrestial if you get a chance. I am willing to be proved wrong but words won't do it. Evidence does the real talking. *But WHAT IF, they have always been 'here'...? IF U.F.O.'s weren't EXTRA-TERRESTERIAL, then they wouldn't have to spend time and energy scouting out the galaxy. If their origins, were 'terresterial' or even oceanic, would THAT help you accept their possibile existance? Not that I have any 'proof' of that either.

29th April 2008, 09:08 AM	#26
Correa Neto Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hunting rocks somewhere in Brazil Posts: 7,168	So, you want us to take seriously the idea that we've been sharing this planet with a technological civilization able to build such astonishing vehicles but never managed to leave a single reliable trace of its existence? Where are their cities, dump deposits, mines, smelters, factories, etc? Nope. This idea will not help me accepting UFOs (or some of them) are non-human craft.
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29th April 2008, 09:51 AM	#27
King of the Americas Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: North Central Texas Posts: 5,071	"reliable trace"...? No. Imagine the elephant who shows back up to his herd, after being tagged and released- "Guys these tiny, pink, two footed creatures captured me, and told me to calm down. Then they poked and prodded me, and finally they put this collar on me. The next thing I know, I wake up, and they are all gone, and I have this pounding headache." Then the other elephants chime in- "Carl has been in the poppy patch again." "You probably just wandered into another craft crash, and that's were you got that weird collar." "Look around Carl, if these tiny, pink, two footed things existed, we'd see evidence of their factories, dumps, and infrastructure EVERYWHERE. To date, only you and drunk Lenny claim to have seen them..." --- "Absense of evidence is NOT evidence of absense."

29th April 2008, 10:07 AM	#28
Correa Neto Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hunting rocks somewhere in Brazil Posts: 7,168	Have you ever noticed that humans leave reliable traces of their existence where elephants live? Garbage, tire marks, abandomned camps, not to mention villages... Carl would just have to take his pals to the nearby camp, village, farm, etc. and point his trunk towards the pink bipedal creatures and their cars. Absence of evidence CAN BE evidence of absence. There are no evidences that a massive black hole is orbiting Earth right now. Does it means its not an evidence of the absence of a massive black hole orbiting our planet ?
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30th April 2008, 07:47 AM	#29
King of the Americas Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: North Central Texas Posts: 5,071	Carl would have to convience his cohorts that there is at least the 'possibility', of seeing real tiny pink 2 footed creatures, for them to make the trek, TO look for evidence of such things. ALL of his elephant friends think neither he nor Lenny actually saw anything. Garbage, tire marks, or old camps, 'COULD' have been faked, and since no one could 'scientifically test' these things or recreate them with actual pink beings, no one believes in them...so everyone refuses to waste their time in such futile endeavors. Garbage could just fall out of the sky. Tire markes could be just fruit that baboons rolled in parallel lines, and old camps could be super smart ape club houses. All it would take is one elephant to laughingly say, "Oh 'I' tagged Carl, after I slipped him a few poppies. In fact, I did the same thing to Lenny last year..." --- There IS evidence that there is no black hole orbiting our planet. Black holes are or have HUGE gravitational fields, so much so that the Sun's light wouldn't even get to us. The simple fact that we can SEE visible light from the Sun, IS evidence that there is no black hole anywhere near us.

30th April 2008, 08:00 AM	#30
slyjoe Muse Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins Posts: 972	Originally Posted by King of the Americas ...snip the elephants. There IS evidence that there is no black hole orbiting our planet. Black holes are or have HUGE gravitational fields, so much so that the Sun's light wouldn't even get to us. The simple fact that we can SEE visible light from the Sun, IS evidence that there is no black hole anywhere near us. That is not entirely correct. Only a subset of black holes have this property. Small black holes could exist; however, they are extremely hard to detect. Maybe when QM and GR is more unified we will know more. If a black hole as massive as a few thousand tons were to pass through a room, only a slight gravitational tug would be felt.
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30th April 2008, 12:47 PM	#31
King of the Americas Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: North Central Texas Posts: 5,071	"I see nothing." is VERY different than "There is nothing to see."

30th April 2008, 03:07 PM	#32
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,265	Originally Posted by King of the Americas Carl would have to convience his cohorts that there is at least the 'possibility', of seeing real tiny pink 2 footed creatures, for them to make the trek, TO look for evidence of such things. Why do you assume the elephants have never made the trek to look? Maybe Carl has pulled the same stunt 20 times, and 20 times the elephants all patiently trundled over to have a peek. When the pink creature turned out to be an azalea bush for the 20th time, the rest of the elephants decided to stop wasting their time on the same nonsense. Now, if Frank comes out claiming to see Carl and Lenny eating the flowers off of the azalea bush, some things may be explained.
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30th April 2008, 03:26 PM	#33
MageLite Scholar Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 55	Originally Posted by King of the Americas "Absense of evidence is NOT evidence of absense." Nor is it evidence of existence.
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1st May 2008, 07:05 AM	#34
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,509	Originally Posted by Space_Ed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk Sit down watch it be quiet. You can skip the first superflous three minutes. Now is the time to change your mind. If you watch this and still don't believe it you are just as deluded and foolish as a creationist. Thankyou. I recommend doing some background research on the events mentioned because you will find copious amounts of evidence supporting their statements. I have come across information from different sources stating that our species is under a subtle form of mind control and that we are much less likely to believe in extraterrestrial intelligence than we otherwise would be. Don't be weak minded. I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses. Not The Disclosure Project, Again! I won't go through more than the title screen. I promised my brain I would never subject it to another piece of crap from TDP. Please... didn't we do a massive thread with LightShips-R-Us(or whatever his screen name was.... something with "light" in it) on the flying saucers from the Apollo Mission - also brought to you by these same wonderful folks at TDP. I read through reams of their documents, and they're all the same as this video, appeals to authority with no evidence other than said authority.
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1st May 2008, 10:40 AM	#35
Fnord Metasyntactic Variable Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 6,633	Originally Posted by King of the Americas "I see nothing." is VERY different than "There is nothing to see." Ahh ... the Dungeon Master's Dilemma ... PC THIEF: "I search the room for traps." DM: "You do not find any traps." PC THIEF: "I step into the center of the room." DM: "You take 33 hit points of damage from the trap." PC THIEF: "I had only 22 hit points." DM: "Then you're dead." PC THIEF: "You said there were no traps." DM: "No, I said that you didn't find any traps." PC THIEF: "Same thing!" DM: "Quiet! Dead thieves don't talk back."
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