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Old 6th May 2008, 03:35 PM   #1
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Simoncini cures cancer with sodium bicarb? It's only a fungus!

This is a new one on me, and I'd welcome comments.

A friend sent an invitiation to a cancer lecture. Central to the discussion is work by an oncologist, Dr. Tullio Simoncini, whose web site is Cancerfungus, as he claims to discovered that cancer is a fungus. He treats it with sodium bicarbonate (how, I'm not sure -- take an Alka-Seltzer in a glass of water?), and naturally, claims a surprising success rate. To put words in his mouth,
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The present work is based on the conviction, supported by many years of observations, comparisons and experiences, that the necessary and sufficient cause of the tumour is to be sought in the vast world of the fungi.
Some of the names associated with the group sponsoring the lecture are:

Mark Sircus OMD (Transdermal Magnesium Therapy)
David Brownstein MD (Holistic family medicine)
John Cannell MD (Vitamin D causes autism)
Stanley Jacob MD (DMSO proponent)

I think you get the picture. I hear ducks in the background. But I'd be interested in anything else related to this topic that anyone might care to bring to the discussion, since IANAD.
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Old 6th May 2008, 04:57 PM   #3
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Where's the links to the research?

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We don't need on stinking research. That's for you namby-pamby allopaths. Our "work is based on . . . conviction" +
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Old 6th May 2008, 06:52 PM   #4
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Never heard of him, but his name is on a whole lot of published research.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl...22&btnG=Search

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...RVAbstractPlus

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I have read about fungi and a connection with cancer, as well as other health problems. But nothing about treating fungi with sodium bicarb. Strange. Most strange.
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Old 6th May 2008, 08:19 PM   #6
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Baking soda cures fungus? Tell it to my toe nail fungus. Nothing works.

But it does look somewhat improved after using a mix of ethylene glycol, boric acid, and borax. I'll know better after tomorrow's podiatry appointment.
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I cured my nail fungus without any drugs, herbs or any other remedy.

But this is going far off topic.
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I hear he's funded by Armand Hammer.
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Never heard of him, but his name is on a whole lot of published research.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl...22&btnG=Search

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...RVAbstractPlus
I think if you look closer, you will find that the Simoncini name on ALL of those reports is Tomaso S., not Tullio S. Both seem to be from Italy. Maybe he's riding on his brother's coattails.

I was unable to find ANY scholarly papers with Tullio Simoncini as author. The only references that show up with his name are his book, his video, and "natural" publications/web sites that mention them.

I guess that's how science is done in Italy.
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You are correct. There appears to be nothing under that name. Maybe our Italian Doctor could find out more.
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His name appears on Quackwatch.org

However, it seems they have not yet gotten around to investigating his claims. They do list his name along with sodium bicarbonate as a cancer therapy as "dubious treatments"

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Simoncini was expelled from the Italian Medical Order (Ordine dei Medici e Chirurghi) and was condemned (in the first degree) by an Italian court for cheating and homicide. He's a real crook and a disgrace for the whole Italian medical profession.

Those who think that this is tipycal of Italy are wrong.
Unfortunately this morning I must get up at 5 because I'm quite busy these days. I'll give more information on this and other Italian crooks of this kind as soon as possible.
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Ah! I hoped you would show up and give us the story. Thanks.
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Simoncini was expelled from the Italian Medical Order (Ordine dei Medici e Chirurghi) and was condemned (in the first degree) by an Italian court for cheating and homicide. He's a real crook and a disgrace for the whole Italian medical profession.
Not that I doubt you, but do you have a cite for this? Or are you speaking from a first-hand knowledge?
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I sent a summary of what I had learned about Dr. Simoncini to my friend, and here is what he replied:
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I have great respect for you and sincerely appreciate your interest to dig into this since I want to be challenged.
Yes I am on a different track but it is not a hasty decision and based on a few years in the health puzzle.

I am a mechanic/engineer with many years in industry solving problems and inventing new processes so I bring that approach to the nightmare of Cancer. However I try to leave out my own health inventions and just relay the work of others.

The good news is he brings a very fresh and brilliant approach to science that is desperately needed. It has changed my position on what is science and what isn't.
Example if the oncologists don't even know what cancer is how can they design a treatment? It is like swatting flies in the dark.
If baking soda is absolutely harmless and works for many locations of cancer with zero side affects, do we need to do double blind studies?

The Simoncini story is very interesting how he chose research some 20 years ago to understand Psoriasis because he was shocked in medical school when they had no idea what it was. He found it to be a fungus and easily treated with Iodine. Then he said "what about cancer?"
Yes, it was also a fungus...Candida Albicans, that was vulnerable to a number of compounds, baking soda being the most compatible.

He could cure many types of cancers. Skin Candida (cancer) dies with Iodine applied daily for a number of days.
His colleagues rejected his work because any cure they knew was illegal. He was shocked so quit and went back to school for a degree in Philosophy, some physics and of course intense study in the mysterious world of Fungi. Years later he resumed to his cancer work and now it is finding it's way around the world underground via the internet.

My mission is to learn about his method and just tell people about it. Plus the other researchers that are working on similar complementing therapies that are related directly to Candida not cancer. (Sircus) All the books on cancer, the papers, all the billions for research, are worthless. It is a new day......but for just a few. The system will never change for the masses because it is too late.

The baking soda protocol
Cervical cancer - douche
colon cancer - enema
throat cancer - gargle
bronchial and lung - spray

His book is a landmark in medicine. It changes the way you think about science. Most of the book is on his web site www.curenaturalicancro.com

take another look... it is fascinating....... almost as good as Royal Rife's work.
My first thought is, if he can really do what he says he can do, where's his Nobel Prize? And why haven't any papers or studies been done on this claim in 20 years? If he claims to have cured so many people, why hasn't he written it up in a medical journal? Too shy? Too busy selling books?
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I sent a summary of what I had learned about Dr. Simoncini to my friend, and here is what he replied:My first thought is, if he can really do what he says he can do, where's his Nobel Prize? And why haven't any papers or studies been done on this claim in 20 years? If he claims to have cured so many people, why hasn't he written it up in a medical journal? Too shy? Too busy selling books?
Wow. You're friend is amazingly gullible. What makes me sad is that I suspect he's not particularly unusual.

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Sadly, it reminds me of the crap my mother sends me. I am in the medical science field, and she constantly sends me woo of new cancer treatments and cures of all kinds, none of which are based in reality. Try as I might, I have yet to convince her that any of it is garbage. I can't seem to get her brain to critically evaluate anything yet. She is a smart woman too, a member of Mensa and all. My father is a very logical thinker and a critical thinker, and I think he just gave up on helping her critically think a long time ago.

Most recently my mother sent me a book entitled "The Cure for all Cancers" by Hulda Clark. Crazy Lady She claims a Ph.D. and a N.D., but I doubt they are real either. Just thumbing through the book makes me realize it is worth nothing better than to use it to help mop up the vomit the book makes me want to spew. This woman has been prosecuting numerous times for her "medical advice" that has harmed people, and she is featured prominently on Quackwatch.org

Of course, my mother believes strongly in many things which are woo. She believes in astrology, crystals, crystal ball gazing, fortune telling with cards, auras, "psychic" John Edwards, ghosts, creation as told in the bible, angels, homeopathy, just to mention a few. I love my mother, but I wish she would just think more strongly about these things.
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Sherman Bay, you can read on Wikipedia (in Italian) that dr Tullio Simoncini was radiated from the Italian Medical Order and condemned by an Italian court.

You can read more in English in the Candida International Blogspot (digit Simoncini). He also appears in the Italian site www.mednat.org, the site (at least in Italy) with a record amount of nonsense.
The other Simoncini is Tommaso, a respected doctor and researcher and is not his brother; there are 32 registered doctors in Italy with this surname (not Tullio S of course).
He is now illegally practising (and cheating) in his own home asking at least 150 EUR for a visit. In the past, he has been accused of cheating tens of thousand of EUR from single patients. The only thing in which he is an expert is in the Business of Promised Miracles that never happened. The worst thing he is doing is convincing people to avoid appropriate medical treatment which could save their lives. And he continues to sell his book that has now been translated in English.

There is another Italian doctor (Giuseppe Nacci) that published (and translated in English) a 490 p. book, "Become Your Own Doctor". You can downloadd and read this book in English on www.mednat.org/nacci_english.pdf
This doctor was suspended for 2 months and, probably, will end up as Simoncini.

Unfortunately, I'm short on time and thus unable to write all the misdeeds of these "gentlemen" (there are more of course).
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Sorry, the site is www.mednat.org/cancro/nacci_english.pdf
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The names, surnames and titles of all Italian practicing doctors can be found on the http://application.fnomceo.it/Fnomce...fessionisti.ot by putting their surnames on the "cognome" box and then by clicking "ricerca".
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There is another Italian doctor (Giuseppe Nacci) that published (and translated in English) a 490 p. book, "Become Your Own Doctor". You can downloadd and read this book in English on www.mednat.org/nacci_english.pdf
This doctor was suspended for 2 months and, probably, will end up as Simoncini.
Thanks for all your references, Phytotherapist. You are a gentleman, a scholar, and probably speak Italian much better than I.
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when is this conference?

I have a friend who has stumbled across this man's work, and I am skeptical. Her father has cancer and she is considering taking him to see this guy, or someone else who is performing similar work. I noticed that you said there was a conference in DC. When is this, can you direct me to some information?
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Toxlabrat,I certainly hope you show your friend's dad the posts in this thread. Cancer cures are all over the Internet; most are frauds and this one appears to be no exception.

The seminar I mentioned took place a few days after I started the thread. It was a very local, very small event sponsored by some proponents of the Italian doc and I think intended to sell his books and products, nothing more. More of an hour promo show than a seminar, it was held in Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin (That's DC, Door County, not District of Columbia). I don't think any more are planned, and I have no information about other such events.

Why would you want go to such an event? Isn't the info supplied here enough to convince you that Simoncini's claim is BS of the worst kind?
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Toxlabrat,I certainly hope you show your friend's dad the posts in this thread. Cancer cures are all over the Internet; most are frauds and this one appears to be no exception.
In case any believers sees this thread and still think there is some truth in the candida-theory i would like to chip in with a few remarks too.
In the video on the website he shows some endoscopy videos of cancers, and he explains that he knows the tumors consist mainly of fungus colonies because they are white. He states that in his opinion the abnormal cells seen at histologic examination are purely reactive. He is forgetting (and not confronted with) the fact that the pathologist is not looking only at the neoplastic cells. He/she also sees the stromal cells, vessels, lymphocytes etc. If the white masses were fungus colonies he/she would see that without any problems. A tumor is white because that is the color of its (main) constituents, not because it is made of Candida colonies. He is also not confronted with the fact that the neoplastic cells in the metastasis have same morphological and ultrastructural charactersitics as the cancer they originate from. They are demonstrably not reactive hepatocytes.
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Jli, just for the record, could you tell us your expertise & background? Your profile is pretty sketchy.
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Jli, just for the record, could you tell us your expertise & background? Your profile is pretty sketchy.
Certainly. But I don´t think my profile is more sketchy than most others. As you might suspect from my previous post I´m a pathologist. As such I´m deeply involved in diagnostics as well as research. I have personally examined (grossly and/or microscopically) hundreds of cancers (if not a few thousands - Stopped counting years ago). So I´m quite confident that the remarks I made in my previous post are correct.
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I live in the Netherlands.
Last year, tullio simoncini was giving his treatments with sodium bicarbonate in a private clinic for alternative 'medicine' in Bilthoven in the Netherlands.

October 2007, a woman with curable breast cancer, who was afraid of operation and chemo therapy, came into contact with simoncini and was treated by him. He injected large doses of baking soda into her breast.
On the fourth day of the therapy, the woman became very ill and was transported to a university hospital in Amsterdam, where she died the following day.

The matter is since under investigation by the Dutch Justice Department.
Simoncini denies he ever treated the woman, although various staff members have seen him administering injections. The clinic maintains the woman died of dehydration (sic).

As far as we know, simoncini is now trying to set up business in the USA. He has modified his theory and now says that cancer is no longer a fungus, but hides a fungus inside. It has to be treated with baking soda als well as with all kinds of holistic and spiritual remedies, whatever they may be.

There is no evidence whatsoever that cancer is a fungus and that it can be cured with baking soda.

There is not one scientific article to be found by tullio simoncini, so it is highly unlikely that he ever was an oncologist.
Also, he has never produced any documents such as medical files, proving that he ever cured anyone of cancer.

Since the death of the woman, her partner is being harassed by simoncini followers.

I think he is a dangerous and callous charlatan. He gives incurable people fase hope and robs them of their money and makes treatable patients stop their regular therapy.

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There is no evidence whatsoever that cancer is a fungus
You are correct. There is a lot of evidence that cancer is not a fungus. And it is also a fact that cancers do not hide fungus within them.

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At his website he asks for donations to conduct research.
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You are correct. There is a lot of evidence that cancer is not a fungus. And it is also a fact that cancers do not hide fungus within them.

At his website he asks for donations to conduct research.
I know, in the Netherlands he also asked for money for research!

His followers have admitted that baking soda was not effective in vitro and in vivo (with lab animals).
So, although there is no scientific basis for his theory, simoncini still uses his patients as guinea pigs for his own personal medical experiments.
To ask for research for a therapy that has already killed a number of people and that was not effective in lab tests is absolutely ludicrous.

Besides, there is nothing to research, it is so obvious that he is completely wrong.

People should just stay away from this man.
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You are correct. There is a lot of evidence that cancer is not a fungus. And it is also a fact that cancers do not hide fungus within them.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
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Never heard of him, but his name is on a whole lot of published research.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl...22&btnG=Search

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...RVAbstractPlus
This is Tomasso Simoncini, University of Pisa, also worked at Harvard.
The baking soda salesman is called Tullio Simoncini.
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Jeepers cripes, does this dude not know about pathology at all? Any introductory path student can distinguish fungal infections from cancer (unless he thinks that pathologists have mis-characterized cancer?)

Oh, and let's just grant, for the sake of argument, that there is a fungal infection. Sodium bicarb? Since when is THAT an anti-fungal?

The guy is a double loon. He is completely bonkers about thinking it is fungal, but even if it were, he's treating it wrong!
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Old 4th July 2008, 12:57 PM   #35
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Anybody forgoes normal medical treatment for this quack and his NaHCO3 baloney and dies should lead to this inhuman piece of trash getting charged with murder.
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Old 4th July 2008, 02:18 PM   #36
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This is Tomasso Simoncini, University of Pisa, also worked at Harvard.
The baking soda salesman is called Tullio Simoncini.
Psst...check out my post #10, but thanks for the confirmation.
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Jeepers cripes, does this dude not know about pathology at all? Any introductory path student can distinguish fungal infections from cancer (unless he thinks that pathologists have mis-characterized cancer?)
He's making money. What does he need to know about pathology?
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Oh, and let's just grant, for the sake of argument, that there is a fungal infection. Sodium bicarb? Since when is THAT an anti-fungal?
When you can convince someone it is and make money.
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The guy is a double loon. He is completely bonkers about thinking it is fungal, but even if it were, he's treating it wrong!
And making money.

The moral is: if you can convince someone to pay you, you don't have to be right.
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Old 4th July 2008, 03:28 PM   #38
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Originally Posted by Sherman Bay View Post
Psst...check out my post #10, but thanks for the confirmation.
Yes I know, I'm sorry! I was in a bit of a hurry and didn't read all the postings as thoroughly as I should have.
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Old 5th July 2008, 06:33 AM   #39
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
Jeepers cripes, does this dude not know about pathology at all? Any introductory path student can distinguish fungal infections from cancer (unless he thinks that pathologists have mis-characterized cancer?)
He claims that the pathologist only sees the superficial part of the tumor (what is obtainable from a biopsy) which in his opinion consists of reactive cells. He seems unaware that tumors (usually) are surgically removed and then further examined by the pathologist.
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He claims that the pathologist only sees the superficial part of the tumor (what is obtainable from a biopsy) which in his opinion consists of reactive cells. He seems unaware that tumors (usually) are surgically removed and then further examined by the pathologist.
This sounds like a very shocking level of ignorance. And to think that this is said by man who claims to have been an oncologist for over 20 years. I find that extremely hard to believe. And there is no evidence at all of any research done by this man either.
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