Clinton's Reason to Stay in Race: RFK Assassination?

Tsukasa Buddha · 23rd May 2008, 03:28 PM

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Sen. Hillary Clinton referred Friday to the assassination of Robert Kennedy in 1968 Democratic campaign as a reason she should continue to campaign despite increasingly long odds.

Clinton was responding to a question from the Sioux Falls Argus Leader editorial board about calls for her to drop out of the race.

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing the idea of dropping out.

Linky.

This is getting a lot of coverage, and she later gave a sort of "apology" that really wasn't much of an apology.

Of course, I give her the benefit of the doubt. I am pretty sure she was placing more emphasis on the timing of it happening in June, than on the idea that something like that would happen.

Of course, it is a rather odd example. And many claim that this has been a pattern for her.

But if Obama said this, he would be called politically inexperienced and naive. Yet all the commentators are going out of their way to call Hillary politically savvy and skilled.

SpitfireIX · 23rd May 2008, 03:44 PM

Apart from the acute attack of

disease, it was a stupid analogy. The primary schedule this year is far more front-loaded than it was in 1968, or even 1992.

WildCat · 23rd May 2008, 04:37 PM

BenBurch · 23rd May 2008, 05:08 PM

I see these remarks as being intended as encouragement for some unstable person to do just this.

Molinaro · 23rd May 2008, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

I see these remarks as being intended as encouragement for some unstable person to do just this.

That was my first thought. Uh, I mean, Uh.. never mind.

Complexity · 23rd May 2008, 06:49 PM

The Clintons would so love for that to happen.

Her statement today was one of the biggest political blunders I've seen.

So glad it will help to bring her down.

T.A.M. · 23rd May 2008, 07:04 PM

Guys please.

Do you really think after all Bill and Hillary have done for the USA, after all their support for African Americans and Women, that they would intentionally suggest assassination. Yes to even invoke the term, as a politician in a presidential campaign was stupid, short sighted, likely out of fatigue, but I think these suggestions that it was intentional in any way, or that they would want such a thing to occur is a bit malicious.

I think Hillary was just tired, and I agree it was likely more of a time reference.

TAM

Complexity · 23rd May 2008, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

Guys please.

Do you really think after all Bill and Hillary have done for the USA, after all their support for African Americans and Women, that they would intentionally suggest assassination. Yes to even invoke the term, as a politician in a presidential campaign was stupid, short sighted, likely out of fatigue, but I think these suggestions that it was intentional in any way, or that they would want such a thing to occur is a bit malicious.

I think Hillary was just tired, and I agree it was likely more of a time reference.

TAM

I don't think that the Clinton's have done anything for anyone except for themselves. I think that either of them would stop at nothing to regain power. I think she was tired and accidently said something that approached the truth.

BenBurch · 23rd May 2008, 07:20 PM

T.A.M.

None of their good works can stand up to that statement. They have all melted like sand castles in the tide

Tired?

I think desperate.

Sorry that I cannot muster more charity than that, but she has exhausted my goodwill towards her in recent weeks. Now, I freely admit that I am a cynic who expects very little good from those in a position of power and privilege, but that's how I see this.

I'm glad you can maintain a more positive view of humanity than can I.

-Ben

ZenFountain · 23rd May 2008, 07:20 PM

By that logic every Democratic nomination since 1968 should have gone into the convention, with the trailer staying in 'till the bitter end. They haven't though and ironically the only time it did happen was at the 1980 convention when Ed Kennedy tried to finagle at nomination against a hugely unpopular Jimmy Carter.

Hillary is becoming more of an enigma by the day. I still respect her desire to stay in until the end of the primaries, but after the voting is over and the superdelegates shift she will find herself isolated and politically ruined if she continues.

TragicMonkey · 23rd May 2008, 07:23 PM

Perhaps Hillary let slip more than she intended.

Exactly where was she when RFK was assassinated? Or JFK, for that matter? Does she have a blue dress of her own, with grass stains on it?

corplinx · 23rd May 2008, 07:55 PM

She could have picked a better way to say "anything can happen, myself or senator obama could get hit by lightning tomorrow"

balrog666 · 23rd May 2008, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Complexity

I don't think that the Clinton's have done anything for anyone except for themselves. I think that either of them would stop at nothing to regain power. I think she was tired and accidently said something that approached the truth.

Texas · 23rd May 2008, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by ZenFountain

By that logic every Democratic nomination since 1968 should have gone into the convention, with the trailer staying in 'till the bitter end. They haven't though and ironically the only time it did happen was at the 1980 convention when Ed Kennedy tried to finagle at nomination against a hugely unpopular Jimmy Carter.

Hillary is becoming more of an enigma by the day. I still respect her desire to stay in until the end of the primaries, but after the voting is over and the superdelegates shift she will find herself isolated and politically ruined if she continues.

Since that time you have Carter, Dukakis and Bill Clinton. One thrown out after a single term, one a landslide loser and the other the only elected 2 term democratic POTUS since FDR.

Texas · 23rd May 2008, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

I see these remarks as being intended as encouragement for some unstable person to do just this.

Damn you folks are getting into some serious paranoia here.

Kaylee · 23rd May 2008, 09:13 PM

There is something wrong with her, I think the chances are excellent that she is a bit of a sociopath.

At this point all her public reasons for continuing to stay in the race have most likely been well-vetted and role-played with her campaign staff. I think this statement that slipped out is a crack in the façade and shows the real Hillary Clinton.

Don’t forgot her Bosnia sniper fire statements. And don’t forget Travelgate. She was callous enough to toss out employees who had decades of service under many administrations of both parties just to attempt to give the White House Travel business to personal friends. These employees were later proved to be innocent and they were later able to get reemployed – but I think that episode indicates shades of sociopathism also.

hgc · 23rd May 2008, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by corplinx

She could have picked a better way to say "anything can happen, myself or senator obama could get hit by lightning tomorrow"

Yeah, but that's not even what she meant, IMO. She was using shorthand for: Hey, remember RFK getting shot in June the night of the California primary? Well that was at the height of the primary battle of '68. So the lesson from history is that this primary battle isn't settled yet.

Problem is it's a blindingly stupid point to attempt to make. Not just because it's tasteless, but also because, like so much that has issued forth from the Clintons and their surrogates, it's an insult to intelligence. It used to be that the primary season spread through the Spring into the Summer, with California, the largest state, coming near the end. This year, California's and the lion's share of the delegates were awarded in Febuary. That's why this thing is settled way before June.

Please, Hillary, Bill, Lanny, Terry, and the rest: Stop spinning fairy tales about how you aren't already beaten. Leave the fairy tales to the pastors and Libertarians.

corplinx · 23rd May 2008, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by hgc

IMO

And people think I read too much into Obama speeches.

hgc · 23rd May 2008, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by corplinx

And people think I read too much into Obama speeches.

And your proud tradition continues.

Brainiac · 23rd May 2008, 10:24 PM

Over the last several months Hillary has successfully changed a lot of people's opinions about her. She's always been very articulate, and she has been at her best in giving prepared speeches and scoring points in debates.

Too many people have forgot exactly why she was so unpopular before her campaign for President began. She was a disaster as First Lady when she tried to act like a Cabinet member. Her health care plan was so ridiculously bloated and unworkable that it was never even voted on in Congress. Her mismanagement of simple affairs as First Lady led to the whole Travelgate fiasco. She was a walking disaster, and everyone forgets that.

This Freudian slip was just a reminder of what we would be in for if she were ever elected President. She is completely unqualified for the job.

Undesired Walrus · 23rd May 2008, 10:40 PM

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Keith Olbermann lays into Clinton. Seems a bit unprofessional, but no less than the Senator.

ConspiRaider · 23rd May 2008, 10:54 PM

Okay, you idiots. You paranoid, Obama-twoofer freakazoids. You'll stop at nothing. You'll hint that Hillary Clinton wants to remind everyone that assassination is always a viable, albeit harsh, solution. You're pathetic.

The 40th anniversary of RFK's assassination is fast approaching. About 2 weeks away. I'm sure that Democratic politicians are well aware of this, and are preparing statements and tributes to RFK, from state reps and senators, to U.S. Reps and Senators - and Presidential candidates. And Republicans are doing this as well. How much you wanna bet THAT is why she mentioned RFK?

Also: Wasn't a prominent Kennedy just in the news? In fact when Hillary gave her victory speech in Kentucky on Tuesday the 20th, she spent about 2 or 3 minutes of that speech in direct tribute to Ted Kennedy. None of you Obama freakazoids would have seen it - but it happened. So again: Do you think that these events: The 40th commemoration of RFK's death, and the Ted Kennedy brain tumor diagnosis - are more REASONABLE explanations for her RFK mention?

You guys. Twoofers all - except, from Obama's supporters - TAM the Doc. Kudos, Doc.

KoihimeNakamura · 23rd May 2008, 11:04 PM

[quote=ConspiRaider;3728977]Okay, you idiots. You paranoid, Obama-twoofer freakazoids. You'll stop at nothing. You'll hint that Hillary Clinton wants to remind everyone that assassination is always a viable, albeit harsh, solution. You're pathetic.[/qupte]

Oooh, 3 insults. No facts.

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The 40th anniversary of RFK's assassination is fast approaching. About 2 weeks away. I'm sure that Democratic politicians are well aware of this, and are preparing statements and tributes to RFK, from state reps and senators, to U.S. Reps and Senators - and Presidential candidates. And Republicans are doing this as well. How much you wanna bet THAT is why she mentioned RFK?

Not much.

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Also: Wasn't a prominent Kennedy just in the news? In fact when Hillary gave her victory speech in Kentucky on Tuesday the 20th, she spent about 2 or 3 minutes of that speech in direct tribute to Ted Kennedy. None of you Obama freakazoids would have seen it - but it happened. So again: Do you think that these events: The 40th commemoration of RFK's death, and the Ted Kennedy brain tumor diagnosis - are more REASONABLE explanations for her RFK mention?

Nope.

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You guys. Twoofers all - except, from Obama's supporters - TAM the Doc. Kudos, Doc.

I could say the same for you. See, I can slightly buy the RFK's death thing. Kinda. (well, not at all). Ted Kennedy? I'd probably not want to upset him unduly, but hey, that's just me.

Or do you think we're all just paranoid freakazoids? When you have to result to an insult rather than argument..

ConspiRaider · 23rd May 2008, 11:19 PM

[quote=Tokorona;3728988]

Originally Posted by ConspiRaider

Okay, you idiots. You paranoid, Obama-twoofer freakazoids. You'll stop at nothing. You'll hint that Hillary Clinton wants to remind everyone that assassination is always a viable, albeit harsh, solution. You're pathetic.[/qupte]

Oooh, 3 insults. No facts.

Not much.

Nope.

I could say the same for you. See, I can slightly buy the RFK's death thing. Kinda. (well, not at all). Ted Kennedy? I'd probably not want to upset him unduly, but hey, that's just me.

Or do you think we're all just paranoid freakazoids? When you have to result to an insult rather than argument..

You're what - 13 years old? I'll try to use language you can understand.

Write a 500-word essay and post it here as to why you think Hillary Clinton was hinting that Barack Obama (as mentioned above a so-called Freudian slip) should be assassinated. Remember, your cohorts now refer to her as a sociopath (see above). Sum it all up for them, for us, so we can understand why Hillary the Conspirator must never be elected.

You'll be graded on the curve, and there is a time limit. Begin.

Undesired Walrus · 23rd May 2008, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by ConspiRaider

Okay, you idiots. You paranoid, Obama-twoofer freakazoids. You'll stop at nothing. You'll hint that Hillary Clinton wants to remind everyone that assassination is always a viable, albeit harsh, solution. You're pathetic.

The 40th anniversary of RFK's assassination is fast approaching. About 2 weeks away. I'm sure that Democratic politicians are well aware of this, and are preparing statements and tributes to RFK, from state reps and senators, to U.S. Reps and Senators - and Presidential candidates. And Republicans are doing this as well. How much you wanna bet THAT is why she mentioned RFK?

Also: Wasn't a prominent Kennedy just in the news? In fact when Hillary gave her victory speech in Kentucky on Tuesday the 20th, she spent about 2 or 3 minutes of that speech in direct tribute to Ted Kennedy. None of you Obama freakazoids would have seen it - but it happened. So again: Do you think that these events: The 40th commemoration of RFK's death, and the Ted Kennedy brain tumor diagnosis - are more REASONABLE explanations for her RFK mention?

You guys. Twoofers all - except, from Obama's supporters - TAM the Doc. Kudos, Doc.

I know it is frustrating your candidate is still drifting in her ever-sinking ship, but there is no reason to get all Oliver on forum members here.

The remarks are inappropriate for a candidate for the following reason: She is implying, however unconsciously, that mammoth and terrible things suddenly happen in the middle of campaigns that change the accepted political landscape.

If she wanted a prime example to use on this topic, why not use Ford and Reagan battling it out until the convention?

ZenFountain · 23rd May 2008, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Texas

Since that time you have Carter, Dukakis and Bill Clinton. One thrown out after a single term, one a landslide loser and the other the only elected 2 term democratic POTUS since FDR.

Try McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Gore and Kerry. If you had a point to make it was lost on me.

KoihimeNakamura · 23rd May 2008, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by ConspiRaider

You're what - 13 years old? I'll try to use language you can understand.

I'm actually in college.

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Write a 500-word essay and post it here as to why you think Hillary Clinton was hinting that Barack Obama (as mentioned above a so-called Freudian slip) should be assassinated. Remember, your cohorts now refer to her as a sociopath (see above). Sum it all up for them, for us, so we can understand why Hillary the Conspirator must never be elected.

You'll be graded on the curve, and there is a time limit. Begin.

She's not a sociopath, IIRC. At least, I don't possess any knowledge to make such a decision. However. Let's look at the alternate reasons.

She's referring to the anniversary of the event. - I find this doubtful because of two things - 1) it is also a reminder of how a person with promise and hopes was assassinated. 2) Back then, primary races weren't quite as important. Of course, she could be relying on our ignorance not to know that. Either way, it doesn't bode will for her.
She's referring to Ted Kennedy's Brain Cancer. - Well. This either says she's rather... being untasteful reminding him, or just forgot. Doesn't bode well, either.

If I've forgotten a reason or explanation, feel free to tell me. (Since you were anyway.)

Brainster · 23rd May 2008, 11:49 PM

So, purely as an exercise, if Obama actually were tragically you know what, would it be the Left who would add his name to the Clinton Death List, while relatively conservative skeptics around here like me are saying not so fast?

Undesired Walrus · 23rd May 2008, 11:50 PM

BTW Conspiraider, while you chastise others for reading too much into this, I remind you of your attempts to interpret the position of Obama's fingers on his cheek as being a full-blown F-You to the camera. An act so benign it makes Hillary's current misspeak seem like a war cry for Barack's head on a plate.

ConspiRaider · 23rd May 2008, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Tokorona

I'm actually in college.

She's not a sociopath, IIRC. At least, I don't possess any knowledge to make such a decision. However. Let's look at the alternate reasons.

She's referring to the anniversary of the event. - I find this doubtful because of two things - 1) it is also a reminder of how a person with promise and hopes was assassinated. 2) Back then, primary races weren't quite as important. Of course, she could be relying on our ignorance not to know that. Either way, it doesn't bode will for her.
She's referring to Ted Kennedy's Brain Cancer. - Well. This either says she's rather... being untasteful reminding him, or just forgot. Doesn't bode well, either.

If I've forgotten a reason or explanation, feel free to tell me. (Since you were anyway.)

Well that's a clarification and an improvement.

You're missing my points. The Kennedys - and you may not know this because of your youth (of which a lot of us oldsters are envious) figure deeply in the political lives of many modern Democratic politicians. JFK, RFK and Ted, specifically. Ted, because of his longevity and his impact, are what Hillary spoke of eloquently just 3 days ago. Because Ted endorsed Obama, she could have done just a cursory well-wisher to Ted on his brain tumor diagnosis and grave implications. And that word grave is intended by me - the assumption now is no cure, probably fatal, Ted doesn't have much time left. So she has the Kennedy name, the whole dynamic, in the forefront of her thoughts, as do many many Democratic politicians. That, coupled with the speeches and tributes she and Obama will make on June 6th, the 40th anniversary of RFK's death, is another very strong indicator that this most prominent Democratic family is in her immediate mindset.

Yet frothing-rabid Hillary Haters display no trepidation on immediately jumping to the conclusion that Hillary is tacitly advocating Obama's assassination. This is desperate and pathetic.

Finally: You must realize this is a TOTAL non-event. This in fact is something that thumb-twirling political pundits - who are earning six and seven figures on the TeeVee - require for their ratings-obsessed lifeblood. Oooohhh!!! Another delicious angle of attack on the Evil Witch! That's their motivation. She's being chopped up for Nielsen shares and ratings.

Tsukasa Buddha · 24th May 2008, 12:06 AM

Heh, Tokorona, you are too young to talk about Hillary too

!

So let's see, people who can't talk about Hillary:

Forinerz
Young people
Obamamaniacle zombie followerz OMG!!!
Males (Who are all sexist)
People who don't like her- I mean NEO-NAZI HILLARY HATERS!

Undesired Walrus · 24th May 2008, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by ConspiRaider

Yet frothing-rabid Hillary Haters display no trepidation on immediately jumping to the conclusion that Hillary is tacitly advocating Obama's assassination.

No, just justifying her continued campaign on the history of political assassination.

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Finally: You must realize this is a TOTAL non-event.

Like Obama's flip-offgate or not?

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This is desperate and pathetic.

Much like Hillary and her campaign then.

JEROME DA GNOME · 24th May 2008, 12:13 AM

Obama may be assassinated implies Hillary.

RFK was assassinated in June says Hillary

Tsukasa Buddha · 24th May 2008, 12:14 AM

Beatcha

!

quixotecoyote · 24th May 2008, 02:11 AM

You seem bitter ConspiRaider.

Would you prefer a gun or a bible?

Hokulele · 24th May 2008, 02:27 AM

Twoofer freakazoid?

Aaand CR goes on the Ignore list.

Lonewulf · 24th May 2008, 02:49 AM

I'm an Obama supporter. I haven't been very convinced to push for Hillary, although I admit I'm a bit shaky over which would support science more. Still, I think Obama has a strong platform and I've liked what I've seen so far. I'm also "young", in that I'm 23.

Does this make me a "pathetic, paranoid, Obama-twoofer freakazoid idiot"? Or is it just those people that think that Clinton could have chosen her words more carefully here?

I'd like to know who the namecalling is directed to.

Also, "twoofer"? What the hell does that even mean now? I thought it was meant to talk about those who vied for "9/11 Truth", I.E., conspiranuts that thought that the U.S. government staged the planes going into the Twin Towers (or that there weren't really planes, or whatever). Since when did the definition change?

Sheesh, for all the bluster I see in this thread, I see very little content.

Puppycow · 24th May 2008, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

So, purely as an exercise, if Obama actually were tragically you know what, would it be the Left who would add his name to the Clinton Death List, while relatively conservative skeptics around here like me are saying not so fast?

I think it's certainly no stretch to suppose that a lot of people would look back on this statement and use it as the basis of a new CT. Even among those who are more sober, the statement wouldn't sit well, especially if it comes true. Would she be able to count on votes from African Americans after saying such things and then having them come true? I doubt it. At the very least she is guilty of bad form and bad politics.

The Painter · 24th May 2008, 03:32 AM

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"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing the idea of dropping out.

Now you see, I didn't read anything bad towards Obama is this. I really think implying that she wants him dead is a looooong stretch. I think she was just trying to say JUNE is an important month. Contests have gone on beyond June.. I think her emphasis was on JUNE not RFK.

Pookster · 24th May 2008, 04:18 AM

I don't see anything bad intended in what she said. She was tired and not thinking. She mainly wanted to point out that "it ain't over till it's over". Well, unwittingly, I think its over now. Even an opportunity to be the running mate likely ended yesterday. She's becoming way too big of a political liability now.

23rd May 2008, 03:28 PM	#1
Tsukasa Buddha Other (please write in) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NeverLand Posts: 9,905	Clinton's Reason to Stay in Race: RFK Assassination? Quote: Sen. Hillary Clinton referred Friday to the assassination of Robert Kennedy in 1968 Democratic campaign as a reason she should continue to campaign despite increasingly long odds. Clinton was responding to a question from the Sioux Falls Argus Leader editorial board about calls for her to drop out of the race. "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing the idea of dropping out. Linky. This is getting a lot of coverage, and she later gave a sort of "apology" that really wasn't much of an apology. Of course, I give her the benefit of the doubt. I am pretty sure she was placing more emphasis on the timing of it happening in June, than on the idea that something like that would happen. Of course, it is a rather odd example. And many claim that this has been a pattern for her. But if Obama said this, he would be called politically inexperienced and naive. Yet all the commentators are going out of their way to call Hillary politically savvy and skilled.
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23rd May 2008, 03:44 PM	#2
SpitfireIX Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana, USA Posts: 2,830	Apart from the acute attack of disease, it was a stupid analogy. The primary schedule this year is far more front-loaded than it was in 1968, or even 1992.
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23rd May 2008, 05:08 PM	#4
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,153	I see these remarks as being intended as encouragement for some unstable person to do just this.
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Molinaro Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,031	Originally Posted by BenBurch I see these remarks as being intended as encouragement for some unstable person to do just this. That was my first thought. Uh, I mean, Uh.. never mind.
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23rd May 2008, 06:49 PM	#6
Complexity The Woo Whisperer Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Minnesota, USA Posts: 9,263	The Clintons would so love for that to happen. Her statement today was one of the biggest political blunders I've seen. So glad it will help to bring her down.
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23rd May 2008, 07:04 PM	#7
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Guys please. Do you really think after all Bill and Hillary have done for the USA, after all their support for African Americans and Women, that they would intentionally suggest assassination. Yes to even invoke the term, as a politician in a presidential campaign was stupid, short sighted, likely out of fatigue, but I think these suggestions that it was intentional in any way, or that they would want such a thing to occur is a bit malicious. I think Hillary was just tired, and I agree it was likely more of a time reference. TAM

23rd May 2008, 07:14 PM	#8
Complexity The Woo Whisperer Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Minnesota, USA Posts: 9,263	Originally Posted by T.A.M. Guys please. Do you really think after all Bill and Hillary have done for the USA, after all their support for African Americans and Women, that they would intentionally suggest assassination. Yes to even invoke the term, as a politician in a presidential campaign was stupid, short sighted, likely out of fatigue, but I think these suggestions that it was intentional in any way, or that they would want such a thing to occur is a bit malicious. I think Hillary was just tired, and I agree it was likely more of a time reference. TAM I don't think that the Clinton's have done anything for anyone except for themselves. I think that either of them would stop at nothing to regain power. I think she was tired and accidently said something that approached the truth.
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23rd May 2008, 07:20 PM	#9
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,153	T.A.M. None of their good works can stand up to that statement. They have all melted like sand castles in the tide Tired? I think desperate. Sorry that I cannot muster more charity than that, but she has exhausted my goodwill towards her in recent weeks. Now, I freely admit that I am a cynic who expects very little good from those in a position of power and privilege, but that's how I see this. I'm glad you can maintain a more positive view of humanity than can I. -Ben
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ZenFountain Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 666	By that logic every Democratic nomination since 1968 should have gone into the convention, with the trailer staying in 'till the bitter end. They haven't though and ironically the only time it did happen was at the 1980 convention when Ed Kennedy tried to finagle at nomination against a hugely unpopular Jimmy Carter. Hillary is becoming more of an enigma by the day. I still respect her desire to stay in until the end of the primaries, but after the voting is over and the superdelegates shift she will find herself isolated and politically ruined if she continues.
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balrog666 Eigenmode: Cynic Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,527	Originally Posted by Complexity I don't think that the Clinton's have done anything for anyone except for themselves. I think that either of them would stop at nothing to regain power. I think she was tired and accidently said something that approached the truth.
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23rd May 2008, 09:00 PM	#14
Texas Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,847	Originally Posted by ZenFountain By that logic every Democratic nomination since 1968 should have gone into the convention, with the trailer staying in 'till the bitter end. They haven't though and ironically the only time it did happen was at the 1980 convention when Ed Kennedy tried to finagle at nomination against a hugely unpopular Jimmy Carter. Hillary is becoming more of an enigma by the day. I still respect her desire to stay in until the end of the primaries, but after the voting is over and the superdelegates shift she will find herself isolated and politically ruined if she continues. Since that time you have Carter, Dukakis and Bill Clinton. One thrown out after a single term, one a landslide loser and the other the only elected 2 term democratic POTUS since FDR.
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23rd May 2008, 09:03 PM	#15
Texas Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,847	Originally Posted by BenBurch I see these remarks as being intended as encouragement for some unstable person to do just this. Damn you folks are getting into some serious paranoia here.
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23rd May 2008, 09:13 PM	#16
Kaylee Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,838	There is something wrong with her, I think the chances are excellent that she is a bit of a sociopath. At this point all her public reasons for continuing to stay in the race have most likely been well-vetted and role-played with her campaign staff. I think this statement that slipped out is a crack in the façade and shows the real Hillary Clinton. Don’t forgot her Bosnia sniper fire statements. And don’t forget Travelgate. She was callous enough to toss out employees who had decades of service under many administrations of both parties just to attempt to give the White House Travel business to personal friends. These employees were later proved to be innocent and they were later able to get reemployed – but I think that episode indicates shades of sociopathism also.
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23rd May 2008, 09:18 PM	#17
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,011	Originally Posted by corplinx She could have picked a better way to say "anything can happen, myself or senator obama could get hit by lightning tomorrow" Yeah, but that's not even what she meant, IMO. She was using shorthand for: Hey, remember RFK getting shot in June the night of the California primary? Well that was at the height of the primary battle of '68. So the lesson from history is that this primary battle isn't settled yet. Problem is it's a blindingly stupid point to attempt to make. Not just because it's tasteless, but also because, like so much that has issued forth from the Clintons and their surrogates, it's an insult to intelligence. It used to be that the primary season spread through the Spring into the Summer, with California, the largest state, coming near the end. This year, California's and the lion's share of the delegates were awarded in Febuary. That's why this thing is settled way before June. Please, Hillary, Bill, Lanny, Terry, and the rest: Stop spinning fairy tales about how you aren't already beaten. Leave the fairy tales to the pastors and Libertarians.
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23rd May 2008, 09:43 PM	#18
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,944	Originally Posted by hgc IMO And people think I read too much into Obama speeches.
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23rd May 2008, 09:48 PM	#19
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,011	Originally Posted by corplinx And people think I read too much into Obama speeches. And your proud tradition continues.
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23rd May 2008, 10:24 PM	#20
Brainiac Scholar Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 105	Over the last several months Hillary has successfully changed a lot of people's opinions about her. She's always been very articulate, and she has been at her best in giving prepared speeches and scoring points in debates. Too many people have forgot exactly why she was so unpopular before her campaign for President began. She was a disaster as First Lady when she tried to act like a Cabinet member. Her health care plan was so ridiculously bloated and unworkable that it was never even voted on in Congress. Her mismanagement of simple affairs as First Lady led to the whole Travelgate fiasco. She was a walking disaster, and everyone forgets that. This Freudian slip was just a reminder of what we would be in for if she were ever elected President. She is completely unqualified for the job.
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23rd May 2008, 10:54 PM	#22
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	Okay, you idiots. You paranoid, Obama-twoofer freakazoids. You'll stop at nothing. You'll hint that Hillary Clinton wants to remind everyone that assassination is always a viable, albeit harsh, solution. You're pathetic. The 40th anniversary of RFK's assassination is fast approaching. About 2 weeks away. I'm sure that Democratic politicians are well aware of this, and are preparing statements and tributes to RFK, from state reps and senators, to U.S. Reps and Senators - and Presidential candidates. And Republicans are doing this as well. How much you wanna bet THAT is why she mentioned RFK? Also: Wasn't a prominent Kennedy just in the news? In fact when Hillary gave her victory speech in Kentucky on Tuesday the 20th, she spent about 2 or 3 minutes of that speech in direct tribute to Ted Kennedy. None of you Obama freakazoids would have seen it - but it happened. So again: Do you think that these events: The 40th commemoration of RFK's death, and the Ted Kennedy brain tumor diagnosis - are more REASONABLE explanations for her RFK mention? You guys. Twoofers all - except, from Obama's supporters - TAM the Doc. Kudos, Doc.

23rd May 2008, 11:04 PM	#23
KoihimeNakamura Creativity Murderer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Graham, WA Posts: 6,856	[quote=ConspiRaider;3728977]Okay, you idiots. You paranoid, Obama-twoofer freakazoids. You'll stop at nothing. You'll hint that Hillary Clinton wants to remind everyone that assassination is always a viable, albeit harsh, solution. You're pathetic.[/qupte] Oooh, 3 insults. No facts. Quote: The 40th anniversary of RFK's assassination is fast approaching. About 2 weeks away. I'm sure that Democratic politicians are well aware of this, and are preparing statements and tributes to RFK, from state reps and senators, to U.S. Reps and Senators - and Presidential candidates. And Republicans are doing this as well. How much you wanna bet THAT is why she mentioned RFK? Not much. Quote: Also: Wasn't a prominent Kennedy just in the news? In fact when Hillary gave her victory speech in Kentucky on Tuesday the 20th, she spent about 2 or 3 minutes of that speech in direct tribute to Ted Kennedy. None of you Obama freakazoids would have seen it - but it happened. So again: Do you think that these events: The 40th commemoration of RFK's death, and the Ted Kennedy brain tumor diagnosis - are more REASONABLE explanations for her RFK mention? Nope. Quote: You guys. Twoofers all - except, from Obama's supporters - TAM the Doc. Kudos, Doc. I could say the same for you. See, I can slightly buy the RFK's death thing. Kinda. (well, not at all). Ted Kennedy? I'd probably not want to upset him unduly, but hey, that's just me. Or do you think we're all just paranoid freakazoids? When you have to result to an insult rather than argument..
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23rd May 2008, 11:19 PM	#24
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	[quote=Tokorona;3728988] Originally Posted by ConspiRaider Okay, you idiots. You paranoid, Obama-twoofer freakazoids. You'll stop at nothing. You'll hint that Hillary Clinton wants to remind everyone that assassination is always a viable, albeit harsh, solution. You're pathetic.[/qupte] Oooh, 3 insults. No facts. Not much. Nope. I could say the same for you. See, I can slightly buy the RFK's death thing. Kinda. (well, not at all). Ted Kennedy? I'd probably not want to upset him unduly, but hey, that's just me. Or do you think we're all just paranoid freakazoids? When you have to result to an insult rather than argument.. You're what - 13 years old? I'll try to use language you can understand. Write a 500-word essay and post it here as to why you think Hillary Clinton was hinting that Barack Obama (as mentioned above a so-called Freudian slip) should be assassinated. Remember, your cohorts now refer to her as a sociopath (see above). Sum it all up for them, for us, so we can understand why Hillary the Conspirator must never be elected. You'll be graded on the curve, and there is a time limit. Begin.

23rd May 2008, 11:22 PM	#25
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,887	Originally Posted by ConspiRaider Okay, you idiots. You paranoid, Obama-twoofer freakazoids. You'll stop at nothing. You'll hint that Hillary Clinton wants to remind everyone that assassination is always a viable, albeit harsh, solution. You're pathetic. The 40th anniversary of RFK's assassination is fast approaching. About 2 weeks away. I'm sure that Democratic politicians are well aware of this, and are preparing statements and tributes to RFK, from state reps and senators, to U.S. Reps and Senators - and Presidential candidates. And Republicans are doing this as well. How much you wanna bet THAT is why she mentioned RFK? Also: Wasn't a prominent Kennedy just in the news? In fact when Hillary gave her victory speech in Kentucky on Tuesday the 20th, she spent about 2 or 3 minutes of that speech in direct tribute to Ted Kennedy. None of you Obama freakazoids would have seen it - but it happened. So again: Do you think that these events: The 40th commemoration of RFK's death, and the Ted Kennedy brain tumor diagnosis - are more REASONABLE explanations for her RFK mention? You guys. Twoofers all - except, from Obama's supporters - TAM the Doc. Kudos, Doc. I know it is frustrating your candidate is still drifting in her ever-sinking ship, but there is no reason to get all Oliver on forum members here. The remarks are inappropriate for a candidate for the following reason: She is implying, however unconsciously, that mammoth and terrible things suddenly happen in the middle of campaigns that change the accepted political landscape. If she wanted a prime example to use on this topic, why not use Ford and Reagan battling it out until the convention?
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23rd May 2008, 11:26 PM	#26
ZenFountain Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 666	Originally Posted by Texas Since that time you have Carter, Dukakis and Bill Clinton. One thrown out after a single term, one a landslide loser and the other the only elected 2 term democratic POTUS since FDR. Try McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Gore and Kerry. If you had a point to make it was lost on me.
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23rd May 2008, 11:34 PM	#27
KoihimeNakamura Creativity Murderer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Graham, WA Posts: 6,856	Originally Posted by ConspiRaider You're what - 13 years old? I'll try to use language you can understand. I'm actually in college. Quote: Write a 500-word essay and post it here as to why you think Hillary Clinton was hinting that Barack Obama (as mentioned above a so-called Freudian slip) should be assassinated. Remember, your cohorts now refer to her as a sociopath (see above). Sum it all up for them, for us, so we can understand why Hillary the Conspirator must never be elected. You'll be graded on the curve, and there is a time limit. Begin. She's not a sociopath, IIRC. At least, I don't possess any knowledge to make such a decision. However. Let's look at the alternate reasons. She's referring to the anniversary of the event. - I find this doubtful because of two things - 1) it is also a reminder of how a person with promise and hopes was assassinated. 2) Back then, primary races weren't quite as important. Of course, she could be relying on our ignorance not to know that. Either way, it doesn't bode will for her. She's referring to Ted Kennedy's Brain Cancer. - Well. This either says she's rather... being untasteful reminding him, or just forgot. Doesn't bode well, either. If I've forgotten a reason or explanation, feel free to tell me. (Since you were anyway.)
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23rd May 2008, 11:49 PM	#28
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,428	So, purely as an exercise, if Obama actually were tragically you know what, would it be the Left who would add his name to the Clinton Death List, while relatively conservative skeptics around here like me are saying not so fast?
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23rd May 2008, 11:50 PM	#29
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,887	BTW Conspiraider, while you chastise others for reading too much into this, I remind you of your attempts to interpret the position of Obama's fingers on his cheek as being a full-blown F-You to the camera. An act so benign it makes Hillary's current misspeak seem like a war cry for Barack's head on a plate.
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23rd May 2008, 11:53 PM	#30
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	Originally Posted by Tokorona I'm actually in college. She's not a sociopath, IIRC. At least, I don't possess any knowledge to make such a decision. However. Let's look at the alternate reasons. She's referring to the anniversary of the event. - I find this doubtful because of two things - 1) it is also a reminder of how a person with promise and hopes was assassinated. 2) Back then, primary races weren't quite as important. Of course, she could be relying on our ignorance not to know that. Either way, it doesn't bode will for her. She's referring to Ted Kennedy's Brain Cancer. - Well. This either says she's rather... being untasteful reminding him, or just forgot. Doesn't bode well, either. If I've forgotten a reason or explanation, feel free to tell me. (Since you were anyway.) Well that's a clarification and an improvement. You're missing my points. The Kennedys - and you may not know this because of your youth (of which a lot of us oldsters are envious) figure deeply in the political lives of many modern Democratic politicians. JFK, RFK and Ted, specifically. Ted, because of his longevity and his impact, are what Hillary spoke of eloquently just 3 days ago. Because Ted endorsed Obama, she could have done just a cursory well-wisher to Ted on his brain tumor diagnosis and grave implications. And that word grave is intended by me - the assumption now is no cure, probably fatal, Ted doesn't have much time left. So she has the Kennedy name, the whole dynamic, in the forefront of her thoughts, as do many many Democratic politicians. That, coupled with the speeches and tributes she and Obama will make on June 6th, the 40th anniversary of RFK's death, is another very strong indicator that this most prominent Democratic family is in her immediate mindset. Yet frothing-rabid Hillary Haters display no trepidation on immediately jumping to the conclusion that Hillary is tacitly advocating Obama's assassination. This is desperate and pathetic. Finally: You must realize this is a TOTAL non-event. This in fact is something that thumb-twirling political pundits - who are earning six and seven figures on the TeeVee - require for their ratings-obsessed lifeblood. Oooohhh!!! Another delicious angle of attack on the Evil Witch! That's their motivation. She's being chopped up for Nielsen shares and ratings.

24th May 2008, 12:06 AM	#31
Tsukasa Buddha Other (please write in) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NeverLand Posts: 9,905	Heh, Tokorona, you are too young to talk about Hillary too ! So let's see, people who can't talk about Hillary: Forinerz Young people Obamamaniacle zombie followerz OMG!!! Males (Who are all sexist) People who don't like her- I mean NEO-NAZI HILLARY HATERS!
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24th May 2008, 12:13 AM	#33
JEROME DA GNOME Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: The Land of Pleasant Living Posts: 8,932	Obama may be Assassinated Implies Hillary Obama may be assassinated implies Hillary. RFK was assassinated in June says Hillary

24th May 2008, 12:14 AM	#34
Tsukasa Buddha Other (please write in) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NeverLand Posts: 9,905	Beatcha !
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24th May 2008, 02:11 AM	#35
quixotecoyote Howling to glory I go Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 9,621	You seem bitter ConspiRaider. Would you prefer a gun or a bible?
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24th May 2008, 02:27 AM	#36
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,268	Twoofer freakazoid? Aaand CR goes on the Ignore list.
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24th May 2008, 02:49 AM	#37
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	I'm an Obama supporter. I haven't been very convinced to push for Hillary, although I admit I'm a bit shaky over which would support science more. Still, I think Obama has a strong platform and I've liked what I've seen so far. I'm also "young", in that I'm 23. Does this make me a "pathetic, paranoid, Obama-twoofer freakazoid idiot"? Or is it just those people that think that Clinton could have chosen her words more carefully here? I'd like to know who the namecalling is directed to. Also, "twoofer"? What the hell does that even mean now? I thought it was meant to talk about those who vied for "9/11 Truth", I.E., conspiranuts that thought that the U.S. government staged the planes going into the Twin Towers (or that there weren't really planes, or whatever). Since when did the definition change? Sheesh, for all the bluster I see in this thread, I see very little content.
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