Obama, Hamas, and the Communist Cigars

Undesired Walrus · 5th June 2008, 08:08 AM

Hearing the spokesman of Hamas on the radio the other day, I had a theory:

Is it possible they are honestly confused and widely believe he is a Muslim (Like 15% of the US population and Iamme still believe!)? I heard no approval of any particular policy, other than they were 'impressed' by him.

On a related note, how will Obama's undesired support handle for him around the campaign? Is an America really a better America with Fidel Castro giving the thumbs up to its President? Or should we stick with a man like McCain, who -in his own words- takes pride in being Hamas' "Worst Nightmare"?

boloboffin · 5th June 2008, 08:48 AM

After Obama's speech for AIPAC yesterday, Hamas kicked him to the curb.

Ladewig · 5th June 2008, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

widely believe he is a Muslim [as] Iamme [does]

Are you pulling my leg.

mrbaracuda · 5th June 2008, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

Is it possible they are honestly confused and widely believe he is a Muslim (Like 15% of the US population and Iamme still believe!)?

Can you tell me when he officially left his religion? That being Islam.

mortimer · 5th June 2008, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by mrbaracuda

Can you tell me when he officially left his religion? That being Islam.

What do you mean by "officially"? Is there a form he needs to fill out in triplicate?

Ladewig · 5th June 2008, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by mrbaracuda

Can you tell me when he officially left his religion? That being Islam.

So when his websites, BarackObama.Com and Obama.Senate.Gov, say "Obama has never been a Muslim and is a committed Christian" then you consider that to be a lie?

ETA: Isn't going to a Christian house of worship for 20 years while not going to any Islamic services for the same time period prima facie evidence that he is "officially not a Muslim"?

mrbaracuda · 5th June 2008, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

So when his websites, BarackObama.Com and Obama.Senate.Gov, say "Obama has never been a Muslim and is a committed Christian" then you consider that to be a lie?

No, but in the mindset of Muslims and in Islam the child of a Muslim is automatically one as well, unless the child leaves Islam before reaching puberty.

Originally Posted by Wiki

He first attended St. Francis Assisi Catholic school for almost three years, where he received weekly lessons in that Christian faith, although he was registered by his family as a Muslim, his father's stated religion.[10][11] When his family moved to a new neighborhood, Menteng,[12] he attended the secular, government-run SDN Menteng 1 school for his fourth year, and received similar weekly lessons in Islam and the Qur'an.[12][10][13][14][15] Obama's stepfather was "not religious", and "never went to prayer services except for big communal events", according to Obama's sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng.[13]

Link. (Haven't checked the sources for those, it's late and I'm listening to the McCain speech.

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Quote:

ETA: Isn't going to a Christian house of worship for 20 years while not going to any Islamic services for the same time period prima facie evidence that he is "officially not a Muslim"?

Sure does; then again, you don't have to attend Islamic services or go to a mosque to be Muslim. It's just interesting because I don't remember any fatwa on his head for being an apostate, heh.

Ysidro · 6th June 2008, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by mrbaracuda

No, but in the mindset of Muslims and in Islam the child of a Muslim is automatically one as well, unless the child leaves Islam before reaching puberty.

So what? Who cares what someone else mistakenly thinks about it? I mean, didn't the Church of LDS used to post-baptize people? Should we be worried that they can't officially break from a church they've never belonged to?

He says he's not Muslim. Is there some secret Islam code in his genes? Do YOU believe that because someone else has religious rules for it?

I mean, I've been baptized and confirmed as a Presbyterian but I count myself an atheist. Am I still Christian because I haven't asked the Presbyterian Church to make a little change in their books?

Ysidro · 6th June 2008, 02:42 AM

Double post.

Undesired Walrus · 6th June 2008, 03:33 AM

Actually, many fundamentalist Muslims believe EVERYONE is born Muslim.

jj · 6th June 2008, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

Are you pulling my leg.

No, emails of "Obama is a covert Muslim" are still flying fast and furious across the internet. Some of my relatives keep sending them to me.

jj · 6th June 2008, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

ETA: Isn't going to a Christian house of worship for 20 years while not going to any Islamic services for the same time period prima facie evidence that he is "officially not a Muslim"?

Has anyone ever seen him carrying a prayer rug? Has he ever kneeled toward Mecca?

Ladewig · 6th June 2008, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by jj

No, emails of "Obama is a covert Muslim" are still flying fast and furious across the internet. Some of my relatives keep sending them to me.

I can easily believe that at least 15% of the American electorate believes that. I was asking if Iamme still believes that.

5th June 2008, 08:08 AM	#1
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,882	Obama, Hamas, and the Communist Cigars Hearing the spokesman of Hamas on the radio the other day, I had a theory: Is it possible they are honestly confused and widely believe he is a Muslim (Like 15% of the US population and Iamme still believe!)? I heard no approval of any particular policy, other than they were 'impressed' by him. On a related note, how will Obama's undesired support handle for him around the campaign? Is an America really a better America with Fidel Castro giving the thumbs up to its President? Or should we stick with a man like McCain, who -in his own words- takes pride in being Hamas' "Worst Nightmare"?
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5th June 2008, 09:37 AM	#3
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,786	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus widely believe he is a Muslim [as] Iamme [does] Are you pulling my leg.
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5th June 2008, 11:52 AM	#5
mortimer NWO Janitor Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,474	Originally Posted by mrbaracuda Can you tell me when he officially left his religion? That being Islam. What do you mean by "officially"? Is there a form he needs to fill out in triplicate?
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5th June 2008, 02:06 PM	#6
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,786	Originally Posted by mrbaracuda Can you tell me when he officially left his religion? That being Islam. So when his websites, BarackObama.Com and Obama.Senate.Gov, say "Obama has never been a Muslim and is a committed Christian" then you consider that to be a lie? ETA: Isn't going to a Christian house of worship for 20 years while not going to any Islamic services for the same time period prima facie evidence that he is "officially not a Muslim"?
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6th June 2008, 02:39 AM	#8
Ysidro I'm watching you Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 5,334	Originally Posted by mrbaracuda No, but in the mindset of Muslims and in Islam the child of a Muslim is automatically one as well, unless the child leaves Islam before reaching puberty. So what? Who cares what someone else mistakenly thinks about it? I mean, didn't the Church of LDS used to post-baptize people? Should we be worried that they can't officially break from a church they've never belonged to? He says he's not Muslim. Is there some secret Islam code in his genes? Do YOU believe that because someone else has religious rules for it? I mean, I've been baptized and confirmed as a Presbyterian but I count myself an atheist. Am I still Christian because I haven't asked the Presbyterian Church to make a little change in their books?
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5th June 2008, 08:48 AM	#2
boloboffin Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5,001	After Obama's speech for AIPAC yesterday, Hamas kicked him to the curb.

5th June 2008, 11:17 AM	#4
mrbaracuda Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,799	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus Is it possible they are honestly confused and widely believe he is a Muslim (Like 15% of the US population and Iamme still believe!)? Can you tell me when he officially left his religion? That being Islam.

5th June 2008, 02:35 PM	#7
mrbaracuda Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,799	Originally Posted by Ladewig So when his websites, BarackObama.Com and Obama.Senate.Gov, say "Obama has never been a Muslim and is a committed Christian" then you consider that to be a lie? No, but in the mindset of Muslims and in Islam the child of a Muslim is automatically one as well, unless the child leaves Islam before reaching puberty. Originally Posted by Wiki He first attended St. Francis Assisi Catholic school for almost three years, where he received weekly lessons in that Christian faith, although he was registered by his family as a Muslim, his father's stated religion.[10][11] When his family moved to a new neighborhood, Menteng,[12] he attended the secular, government-run SDN Menteng 1 school for his fourth year, and received similar weekly lessons in Islam and the Qur'an.[12][10][13][14][15] Obama's stepfather was "not religious", and "never went to prayer services except for big communal events", according to Obama's sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng.[13] Link. (Haven't checked the sources for those, it's late and I'm listening to the McCain speech. ) Quote: ETA: Isn't going to a Christian house of worship for 20 years while not going to any Islamic services for the same time period prima facie evidence that he is "officially not a Muslim"? Sure does; then again, you don't have to attend Islamic services or go to a mosque to be Muslim. It's just interesting because I don't remember any fatwa on his head for being an apostate, heh.

6th June 2008, 02:42 AM	#9
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6th June 2008, 03:33 AM	#10
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6th June 2008, 11:19 AM	#11
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,465	Originally Posted by Ladewig Are you pulling my leg. No, emails of "Obama is a covert Muslim" are still flying fast and furious across the internet. Some of my relatives keep sending them to me.
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6th June 2008, 11:20 AM	#12
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,465	Originally Posted by Ladewig ETA: Isn't going to a Christian house of worship for 20 years while not going to any Islamic services for the same time period prima facie evidence that he is "officially not a Muslim"? Has anyone ever seen him carrying a prayer rug? Has he ever kneeled toward Mecca?
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6th June 2008, 11:27 AM	#13
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,786	Originally Posted by jj No, emails of "Obama is a covert Muslim" are still flying fast and furious across the internet. Some of my relatives keep sending them to me. I can easily believe that at least 15% of the American electorate believes that. I was asking if Iamme still believes that.
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