The Catholic Church and sex

Marc · 12th October 2003, 04:18 PM

Here is a 45 minute BBC documentary on The Catholic Church and sex, covering topics of abortion, contraception, and the impact on undeveloped contries. For example the Phillipines overpopulation problems and African AIDS epidemic.

If you have any respect for the church you might not after watching this. At least not for the conservative elements that are in control. Seeing representatives of the church in the Phillipines, Africa, and the Vaticant spreading the same lie that latex condoms have poors that HIV can pass through.

Yahweh · 12th October 2003, 05:11 PM

I dont understand the Catholic Church's views of sex...

"No sex before marriage"
"Man on top, woman on the bottom, any other position is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord"
"Sex only for procreation, never for pleasure"
"Even mere dirty thoughts and wet dreams are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord"
"Never use contraceptives"
"Have as many Catholic children as your body is able to produce"
"Abortion is forbidden, even in cases of rape and incest... because God has a plan or something..."
Edit to add: "No spilling you seed either"
"Put a stick up your ass, it hurts dont it... I bet you're too busy thinking of that stick in your ass to think of sex... you're good to go now. NEXT!" (Ok, they dont really say that...)

A Catholic and an Atheist each apply and attend Miami University. Come Spring Break, which of the two do you think will be saying "I'M HAPPIER THAN I'VE EVER BEEN!"...

triadboy · 12th October 2003, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by Yahweh
I dont understand the Catholic Church's views of sex...

Don't they also hate masterbation? Or "spilling your seed"? If you aren't using your 'seed' for procreation, then it's for fun and that is not taking your seed seriously.

There's no smiling in Catholic sex - it's a determined grimace or nothing.

The Central Scrutinizer · 12th October 2003, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by triadboy

Don't they also hate masterbation? Or "spilling your seed"? If you aren't using your 'seed' for procreation, then it's for fun and that is not taking your seed seriously.

Every sperm is sacred,
every sperm is great,
if a sperm is wasted,
god gets quite irate!

Quinn · 12th October 2003, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yahweh
A Catholic and an Atheist each apply and attend Miami University. Come Spring Break, which of the two do you think will be saying "I'M HAPPIER THAN I'VE EVER BEEN!"...

After a year and a half at Miami? Umm... neither?

(I grew up near there, I'm allowed to make fun of it.

)

Zep · 13th October 2003, 01:16 AM

It is lost in the 15th century, basically, as far as morals and thinking go. The inanities and sheer hypocrisy is often breathtaking to behold. Closed orders, subordination of women, sexual repression, dangerous infighting amongst the clergy, pomp and ceremony, oppulence, Papal infallibility, secret banking, etc, etc.

And yet this same church owns some of the most beautiful artifacts and buildings and objects ever made in this world. And there are church disciples who are struggling gamely with little on behalf of many of the downtrodden of this world.

It's VERY hard to reconcile one with the other...

Correa Neto · 13th October 2003, 03:37 AM

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Originally posted by Zep
It is lost in the 15th century, basically, as far as morals and thinking go. The inanities and sheer hypocrisy is often breathtaking to behold. Closed orders, subordination of women, sexual repression, dangerous infighting amongst the clergy, pomp and ceremony, oppulence, Papal infallibility, secret banking, etc, etc.

And yet this same church owns some of the most beautiful artifacts and buildings and objects ever made in this world. And there are church disciples who are struggling gamely with little on behalf of many of the downtrodden of this world.

It's VERY hard to reconcile one with the other...

That´s because regardless of their claims, the catholic church is composed by humans like we. The same faults, the same hunger for power & money...

LW · 13th October 2003, 06:27 AM

But then, you have to give the Catholic Church credit for recognizing that not all sex is sinful.

But, sex is not sin if [according to some Medieval penance guide, can't remember the name]:

- it happens in marriage;
- exactly one man and one woman is involved;
- it doesn't happen on Sunday, Friday, or some Saint's Day [though this one may cause some problems today given the rate of canonizing new saints.];
- the sole intention is getting children;
- the woman doesn't have a period;
- the man is on the top;
- it is done only once; and
- neither participant enjoys it.

If the (married) couple enjoys it only a bit, then it is only a minor sin.

Denise · 13th October 2003, 07:04 AM

And even if they are married by the Catholic church and have many children, it can be annulled if one pays enough money. Yet, somehow, the kids are not then considered illegitimate, but the marriage is.

Brown · 13th October 2003, 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by Denise
And even if they are married by the Catholic church and have many children, it can be annulled if one pays enough money. Yet, somehow, the kids are not then considered illegitimate, but the marriage is.

The distinction between an annulment and a divorce is basically cosmetic. And yet anullments are allowed but divorces are not. Go figure.

Entertainer Steve Allen was raised in the Catholic Church. He was excommunicated for no reason other than he divorced and remarried. His second marriage was, by most accounts, a successful one, lasting over 45 years.

triadboy · 13th October 2003, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by LW

- neither participant enjoys it.

NEITHER! Damn! It should have read:

- at least one participant doesn't enjoy it.

Yahzi · 13th October 2003, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brown
The distinction between an annulment and a divorce is basically cosmetic.

The differences are obvious.

1. Divorce is specifically forbidden by the bible.

2. Divorces come from the state; annulments come from the church.

See? Obvious differences.

neutrino_cannon · 13th October 2003, 06:13 PM

As I understand it, throughout the middle ages the Catholic Church was often a front group for pedophiles and sexual predators, see Florence Rush's The Best Kept Secret (book) for a very objective study in the matter and more details than I care to furnish.

Oh... wait a second...

12th October 2003, 04:18 PM	#1
Marc Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,165	The Catholic Church and sex Here is a 45 minute BBC documentary on The Catholic Church and sex, covering topics of abortion, contraception, and the impact on undeveloped contries. For example the Phillipines overpopulation problems and African AIDS epidemic. If you have any respect for the church you might not after watching this. At least not for the conservative elements that are in control. Seeing representatives of the church in the Phillipines, Africa, and the Vaticant spreading the same lie that latex condoms have poors that HIV can pass through.
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12th October 2003, 05:11 PM	#2
Yahweh Ayay ashay ayay Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,029	I dont understand the Catholic Church's views of sex... "No sex before marriage" "Man on top, woman on the bottom, any other position is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord" "Sex only for procreation, never for pleasure" "Even mere dirty thoughts and wet dreams are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord" "Never use contraceptives" "Have as many Catholic children as your body is able to produce" "Abortion is forbidden, even in cases of rape and incest... because God has a plan or something..." Edit to add: "No spilling you seed either" "Put a stick up your ass, it hurts dont it... I bet you're too busy thinking of that stick in your ass to think of sex... you're good to go now. NEXT!" (Ok, they dont really say that...) A Catholic and an Atheist each apply and attend Miami University. Come Spring Break, which of the two do you think will be saying "I'M HAPPIER THAN I'VE EVER BEEN!"...
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12th October 2003, 10:08 PM	#4
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Pither Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,264	Quote: Originally posted by triadboy Don't they also hate masterbation? Or "spilling your seed"? If you aren't using your 'seed' for procreation, then it's for fun and that is not taking your seed seriously. Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great, if a sperm is wasted, god gets quite irate!
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12th October 2003, 11:27 PM	#5
Quinn Breathtakingly blasphemous. Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,882	Quote: Originally posted by Yahweh A Catholic and an Atheist each apply and attend Miami University. Come Spring Break, which of the two do you think will be saying "I'M HAPPIER THAN I'VE EVER BEEN!"... After a year and a half at Miami? Umm... neither? (I grew up near there, I'm allowed to make fun of it. )
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13th October 2003, 01:16 AM	#6
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	It is lost in the 15th century, basically, as far as morals and thinking go. The inanities and sheer hypocrisy is often breathtaking to behold. Closed orders, subordination of women, sexual repression, dangerous infighting amongst the clergy, pomp and ceremony, oppulence, Papal infallibility, secret banking, etc, etc. And yet this same church owns some of the most beautiful artifacts and buildings and objects ever made in this world. And there are church disciples who are struggling gamely with little on behalf of many of the downtrodden of this world. It's VERY hard to reconcile one with the other...
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12th October 2003, 08:39 PM	#3
triadboy Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 2,556	Quote: Originally posted by Yahweh I dont understand the Catholic Church's views of sex... Don't they also hate masterbation? Or "spilling your seed"? If you aren't using your 'seed' for procreation, then it's for fun and that is not taking your seed seriously. There's no smiling in Catholic sex - it's a determined grimace or nothing.

13th October 2003, 03:37 AM	#7
Correa Neto Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hunting rocks somewhere in Brazil Posts: 7,170	Quote: Originally posted by Zep It is lost in the 15th century, basically, as far as morals and thinking go. The inanities and sheer hypocrisy is often breathtaking to behold. Closed orders, subordination of women, sexual repression, dangerous infighting amongst the clergy, pomp and ceremony, oppulence, Papal infallibility, secret banking, etc, etc. And yet this same church owns some of the most beautiful artifacts and buildings and objects ever made in this world. And there are church disciples who are struggling gamely with little on behalf of many of the downtrodden of this world. It's VERY hard to reconcile one with the other... That´s because regardless of their claims, the catholic church is composed by humans like we. The same faults, the same hunger for power & money...
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13th October 2003, 06:27 AM	#8
LW Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: 60°N 25°E Posts: 2,800	But then, you have to give the Catholic Church credit for recognizing that not all sex is sinful. But, sex is not sin if [according to some Medieval penance guide, can't remember the name]: - it happens in marriage; - exactly one man and one woman is involved; - it doesn't happen on Sunday, Friday, or some Saint's Day [though this one may cause some problems today given the rate of canonizing new saints.]; - the sole intention is getting children; - the woman doesn't have a period; - the man is on the top; - it is done only once; and - neither participant enjoys it. If the (married) couple enjoys it only a bit, then it is only a minor sin.

13th October 2003, 07:04 AM	#9
Denise Succubus Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,869	And even if they are married by the Catholic church and have many children, it can be annulled if one pays enough money. Yet, somehow, the kids are not then considered illegitimate, but the marriage is.
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13th October 2003, 08:19 AM	#10
Brown Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Twin Cities, Canada Posts: 12,145	Quote: Originally posted by Denise And even if they are married by the Catholic church and have many children, it can be annulled if one pays enough money. Yet, somehow, the kids are not then considered illegitimate, but the marriage is. The distinction between an annulment and a divorce is basically cosmetic. And yet anullments are allowed but divorces are not. Go figure. Entertainer Steve Allen was raised in the Catholic Church. He was excommunicated for no reason other than he divorced and remarried. His second marriage was, by most accounts, a successful one, lasting over 45 years.
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13th October 2003, 12:31 PM	#11
triadboy Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 2,556	Quote: Originally posted by LW - neither participant enjoys it. NEITHER! Damn! It should have read: - at least one participant doesn't enjoy it.

13th October 2003, 12:36 PM	#12
Yahzi Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 2,672	Quote: Originally posted by Brown The distinction between an annulment and a divorce is basically cosmetic. The differences are obvious. 1. Divorce is specifically forbidden by the bible. 2. Divorces come from the state; annulments come from the church. See? Obvious differences.
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13th October 2003, 06:13 PM	#13
neutrino_cannon Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seventh circle of limbo Posts: 2,571	As I understand it, throughout the middle ages the Catholic Church was often a front group for pedophiles and sexual predators, see Florence Rush's The Best Kept Secret (book) for a very objective study in the matter and more details than I care to furnish. Oh... wait a second...
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