Urgent: Lost TAM 6 Audio - Can You Help?

Jeff Wagg · 8th July 2008, 08:21 AM

So in keeping with grand tradition, the AV staff at the Flamingo managed to NOT record the audio portion of Saturday's TAM. We have video, but no audio at all.

This is a huge problem for us. Not only does it mean we can't make DVDs with that content, we also have no archive of a major portion of TAM.

So I turn to you.. if any of you have audio of SATURDAY at TAM 6, (even if it has video attached), please contact RICH@RANDI.ORG and let him know.

We're hoping to at least have an archive copy if nothing else. Maybe we'll get really lucky and someone will have a good enough copy of the audio that we can put it on the DVDs.

Thanks!

The Central Scrutinizer · 8th July 2008, 08:41 AM

Unbelievable.

I hope JREF gets some sort of refund.

TobiasTheViking · 8th July 2008, 09:58 AM

Wait... is it ALLL saturday????

That is a pretty big screw up

tkingdoll · 8th July 2008, 10:00 AM

Refund? I'd be suing to the end of the earth. They'll have insurance against this sort of screw up anyway, but if you fail to record a unique event as per your contract, you should not only give a refund, but compensation. Especially for the lost revenue of the DVD sales and and other commercial rights.

Jeff - I emailed you the audio from my camera from the spoon bend. Haven't got anything else though

krelnik · 8th July 2008, 12:02 PM

During the spoon bend, I saw a guy seated on the floor against the left wall of the room up near the front, who had a Macbook on his lap and a large microphone.

Teek, was he part of your crew, or was he recording in the room all day? Anybody know who that guy was?

Wowbagger · 8th July 2008, 12:37 PM

I only have a few snippets of audio, but I will send them over.

I also had a bit of a video-recording goof of my own: My video camera's settings were all in weird and wacky positions, probably from whoever was using it last, in the course of my other film-related projects. And, I didn't notice 'till I got home.

The audio (and video, for that matter) quality would have been better, if only I had reset everything before TAM6!

phyz · 8th July 2008, 12:47 PM

This is a freaking disaster! Sorry; just had to state the obvious.

Jeff, please send out a postal snail-mail all-call to TAM6 attendees. Cast that net as wide as you can, mon ami. This is Woodstock for Geeks after all.

Hoping for the best.

MattusMaximus · 8th July 2008, 01:13 PM

Argh - that sucks big time!

Wasn't the SGU recording on Saturday? Could someone from their crew have recorded the entire day?

tkingdoll · 8th July 2008, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by krelnik

During the spoon bend, I saw a guy seated on the floor against the left wall of the room up near the front, who had a Macbook on his lap and a large microphone.

Teek, was he part of your crew, or was he recording in the room all day? Anybody know who that guy was?

There was a guy who approached us and said he had been recording in HD. Also - Jeff, George Hrab's partner did some recording I believe. They mentioned it after the spoons. I will ask Richard who the HD guy is.

laarree · 8th July 2008, 02:05 PM

I'm actually a bit surprised that JREF didn't have their own AV person recording the conference. I've not been to previous TAMs--is it typical for JREF to rely on the hotel conference centers for this service? Is this the norm for other organization's conferences?

Richard · 8th July 2008, 05:33 PM

Oh no... As a video maker I know things like this happen from time to time but then you ALWAYS have a back up in case. All those people there.... let's hope that someone was recording. So many great talks on Saturday... come on fans of JREF, let's find that audio.

kittynh · 8th July 2008, 08:13 PM

all I've got is Phil's speech for the Randi award.

Oh gosh... this is just so unacceptable on the part of the Flamingo. We should complain to the Vegas Better business people also. This is going to cost the JREF a LOT Of money.

Michelle Lyon · 9th July 2008, 02:21 PM

Dammit! The one time I don't bring my voice recorder... I'm sorry you guys, I can't help. But I second the idea of snail-mailing all attendees. Odds are somebody has something.

This is a major disaster on Flamingo's part. I agree they should compensate for lost DVD sales. Saturday was the best day. This sucks.

kittynh · 9th July 2008, 02:25 PM

I think perhaps the hotel requires you use their "professional".

I'm not saying what profession our AV person was in ....because it certainly wasn't video recording.

Tressa · 9th July 2008, 08:06 PM

Worst case scenario (no usable Saturday audio is forth coming), can a TAM6 DVD w/ whatever content is available be sold?

Reed · 9th July 2008, 09:17 PM

Assuming you cannot recover the full audio, try combining the following:

- the random bits of audio that can be found
- any scripts that the speakers followed (and what each can recall), and
- a skilled lipreader

You should be able to subtitle the Saturday presentations to approximate what was said that day. Play some music in the background.

Wowbagger · 9th July 2008, 09:38 PM

I wonder if any of the speakers are willing to come into a dubbing studio, to redub their words.

phyz · 9th July 2008, 10:49 PM

Breathe easy, kindred spirits. Many stones have yet to be turned. This may all work out.

But if you were gonna go with overdubs, it seems like you should at least have subscripts written in Japanese to give it the right look.

Hamradioguy · 10th July 2008, 08:17 PM

Reed has a good point. When the film "Gizmo" was being made the producers has lots of great-but silent- old film clips of inventors describing their wacky inventions and talents. What to do? They got some skilled lip readers to view the films and transcribe what people were saying. They then had actors read the script dubbing in the words. If the TAM6 video is good it should be an easy task for a lip reader to know what's being said.

krelnik · 10th July 2008, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Hamradioguy

They got some skilled lip readers to view the films and transcribe what people were saying. They then had actors read the script dubbing in the words. If the TAM6 video is good it should be an easy task for a lip reader to know what's being said.

I want Liam Neeson to do my voice for me.

Normal Dude · 10th July 2008, 09:40 PM

What a bunch of morons. Flamingo has just lost my business forever.

Here is hoping someone with audio can be reached.

Desktop Icon · 11th July 2008, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by krelnik

I want Liam Neeson to do my voice for me.

William Shatner must do the voices for everyone.

Michelle Lyon · 14th July 2008, 01:44 PM

Idea. Can you film new presentations? There would not be an audience, but maybe those speakers can be filmed like they would be for television? Then you could plug these in on the DVD in place of Saturday. See if the speakers will come in and do the same talk for filming, or they might film their own and send it.

It will not be the same as the actual day of, but at least their formal presentations will be on the DVD for educational purposes.

tkingdoll · 14th July 2008, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Michelle Lyon

Idea. Can you film new presentations? There would not be an audience, but maybe those speakers can be filmed like they would be for television? Then you could plug these in on the DVD in place of Saturday. See if the speakers will come in and do the same talk for filming, or they might film their own and send it.

It will not be the same as the actual day of, but at least their formal presentations will be on the DVD for educational purposes.

I can tell you now that you have no chance of us ever doing that mass spoon bend again

I guess the issue is the same as with voiceover: the upfront costs. If JREF manage to pursue damages and expenses from the AV folk, they'll still have to pay for all this stuff in advance, and it's not cheap.

Michelle Lyon · 17th July 2008, 02:30 PM

I wonder if an estimate can be obtained first, and present that estimate as part of the suit, instead of having to pay up front first and then present receipts?

athanatic · 28th July 2008, 08:46 AM

Steward Brand and the Long Now Foundation had some of the same AV problems you did. They switched to professional-multi-camera AV in 2006 and have had no problem since. Might ask them what they changed and who they used.

TobiasTheViking · 30th July 2008, 05:43 PM

Would it be possible to get an update?

Jeff Wagg · 31st July 2008, 01:56 PM

We think we have all the audio we need to produce the DVDs. Rich is busy working miracles..

Thanks to everyone who helped! I'm going to unsticky this thread now.

Tressa · 31st July 2008, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Jeff Wagg

We think we have all the audio we need to produce the DVDs. Rich is busy working miracles..

YES!!!!

Wowbagger · 31st July 2008, 10:14 PM

Science is where the real miracles happen.

TobiasTheViking · 1st August 2008, 01:22 AM

That's potentially great news.

scotth · 3rd August 2008, 08:50 AM

I am pretty sure that people doing the A/V were a professional 3rd party outfit, not the Flamingo. The Flamingo's only fault in this was recommending them.

Miss_Kitt · 4th August 2008, 07:03 PM

YEAH!!!!!

Whoooooot!!

(thump, thump)

I was at The Slammer on Saturday, but consoled myself with, "I'll just get the DVDs." Whew!

fuelair · 4th August 2008, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Jeff Wagg

We think we have all the audio we need to produce the DVDs. Rich is busy working miracles..

Thanks to everyone who helped! I'm going to unsticky this thread now.

If you look back on here - - even if you think it is all covered, have a seperate recording system that uses NO part of the location's system for input. My suggestion would be a camcorder feeding a hard-drive and with a good microphone. Preferably with someone there monitoring all the time and a back up battery pack. I generally use a minimum of two units- of which one gets an unchanging shot and the other gets the close-ups/medium/screen/s etc. and I am not a pro. I also have never lost the important shots.

8th July 2008, 08:21 AM	#1
Jeff Wagg Communication and Outreach Manager JREF Staff Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vermont Posts: 2,677	Urgent: Lost TAM 6 Audio - Can You Help? So in keeping with grand tradition, the AV staff at the Flamingo managed to NOT record the audio portion of Saturday's TAM. We have video, but no audio at all. This is a huge problem for us. Not only does it mean we can't make DVDs with that content, we also have no archive of a major portion of TAM. So I turn to you.. if any of you have audio of SATURDAY at TAM 6, (even if it has video attached), please contact RICH@RANDI.ORG and let him know. We're hoping to at least have an archive copy if nothing else. Maybe we'll get really lucky and someone will have a good enough copy of the audio that we can put it on the DVDs. Thanks!

8th July 2008, 08:41 AM	#2
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8th July 2008, 09:58 AM	#3
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8th July 2008, 10:00 AM	#4
tkingdoll AKA TEEK Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Up Myself Posts: 12,450	Refund? I'd be suing to the end of the earth. They'll have insurance against this sort of screw up anyway, but if you fail to record a unique event as per your contract, you should not only give a refund, but compensation. Especially for the lost revenue of the DVD sales and and other commercial rights. Jeff - I emailed you the audio from my camera from the spoon bend. Haven't got anything else though
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8th July 2008, 12:02 PM	#5
krelnik Muse Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 863	During the spoon bend, I saw a guy seated on the floor against the left wall of the room up near the front, who had a Macbook on his lap and a large microphone. Teek, was he part of your crew, or was he recording in the room all day? Anybody know who that guy was?
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8th July 2008, 12:37 PM	#6
Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Westchester County, NY (when not in space) Posts: 7,155	I only have a few snippets of audio, but I will send them over. I also had a bit of a video-recording goof of my own: My video camera's settings were all in weird and wacky positions, probably from whoever was using it last, in the course of my other film-related projects. And, I didn't notice 'till I got home. The audio (and video, for that matter) quality would have been better, if only I had reset everything before TAM6!
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8th July 2008, 12:47 PM	#7
phyz Muse Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 809	This is a freaking disaster! Sorry; just had to state the obvious. Jeff, please send out a postal snail-mail all-call to TAM6 attendees. Cast that net as wide as you can, mon ami. This is Woodstock for Geeks after all. Hoping for the best.
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8th July 2008, 01:13 PM	#8
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 6,457	Argh - that sucks big time! Wasn't the SGU recording on Saturday? Could someone from their crew have recorded the entire day?
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8th July 2008, 01:16 PM	#9
tkingdoll AKA TEEK Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Up Myself Posts: 12,450	Originally Posted by krelnik During the spoon bend, I saw a guy seated on the floor against the left wall of the room up near the front, who had a Macbook on his lap and a large microphone. Teek, was he part of your crew, or was he recording in the room all day? Anybody know who that guy was? There was a guy who approached us and said he had been recording in HD. Also - Jeff, George Hrab's partner did some recording I believe. They mentioned it after the spoons. I will ask Richard who the HD guy is.
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8th July 2008, 02:05 PM	#10
laarree Scholar Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 120	I'm actually a bit surprised that JREF didn't have their own AV person recording the conference. I've not been to previous TAMs--is it typical for JREF to rely on the hotel conference centers for this service? Is this the norm for other organization's conferences?
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8th July 2008, 05:33 PM	#11
Richard Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 968	Oh no... As a video maker I know things like this happen from time to time but then you ALWAYS have a back up in case. All those people there.... let's hope that someone was recording. So many great talks on Saturday... come on fans of JREF, let's find that audio.
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8th July 2008, 08:13 PM	#12
kittynh The Hupsu Detective auctioneer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: If I told the aliens could find me, and you know they read this forum Posts: 20,271	all I've got is Phil's speech for the Randi award. Oh gosh... this is just so unacceptable on the part of the Flamingo. We should complain to the Vegas Better business people also. This is going to cost the JREF a LOT Of money.
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9th July 2008, 02:21 PM	#13
Michelle Lyon Muse Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bakersfield, CA Posts: 566	Dammit! The one time I don't bring my voice recorder... I'm sorry you guys, I can't help. But I second the idea of snail-mailing all attendees. Odds are somebody has something. This is a major disaster on Flamingo's part. I agree they should compensate for lost DVD sales. Saturday was the best day. This sucks.
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9th July 2008, 02:25 PM	#14
kittynh The Hupsu Detective auctioneer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: If I told the aliens could find me, and you know they read this forum Posts: 20,271	I think perhaps the hotel requires you use their "professional". I'm not saying what profession our AV person was in ....because it certainly wasn't video recording.
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9th July 2008, 08:06 PM	#15
Tressa Skeptic In Training Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 653	Worst case scenario (no usable Saturday audio is forth coming), can a TAM6 DVD w/ whatever content is available be sold?
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9th July 2008, 09:17 PM	#16
Reed Thinker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 217	Assuming you cannot recover the full audio, try combining the following: - the random bits of audio that can be found - any scripts that the speakers followed (and what each can recall), and - a skilled lipreader You should be able to subtitle the Saturday presentations to approximate what was said that day. Play some music in the background.
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9th July 2008, 09:38 PM	#17
Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Westchester County, NY (when not in space) Posts: 7,155	I wonder if any of the speakers are willing to come into a dubbing studio, to redub their words.
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9th July 2008, 10:49 PM	#18
phyz Muse Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 809	Breathe easy, kindred spirits. Many stones have yet to be turned. This may all work out. But if you were gonna go with overdubs, it seems like you should at least have subscripts written in Japanese to give it the right look.
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10th July 2008, 08:17 PM	#19
Hamradioguy Pyrrhonist Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Northern Vermont Posts: 1,982	Reed has a good point. When the film "Gizmo" was being made the producers has lots of great-but silent- old film clips of inventors describing their wacky inventions and talents. What to do? They got some skilled lip readers to view the films and transcribe what people were saying. They then had actors read the script dubbing in the words. If the TAM6 video is good it should be an easy task for a lip reader to know what's being said.

10th July 2008, 08:41 PM	#20
krelnik Muse Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 863	Originally Posted by Hamradioguy They got some skilled lip readers to view the films and transcribe what people were saying. They then had actors read the script dubbing in the words. If the TAM6 video is good it should be an easy task for a lip reader to know what's being said. I want Liam Neeson to do my voice for me.
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10th July 2008, 09:40 PM	#21
Normal Dude Space Shuttle Door Gunner Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: W/ The Evil Council Posts: 2,488	What a bunch of morons. Flamingo has just lost my business forever. Here is hoping someone with audio can be reached.
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11th July 2008, 07:59 PM	#22
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14th July 2008, 01:44 PM	#23
Michelle Lyon Muse Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bakersfield, CA Posts: 566	Idea. Can you film new presentations? There would not be an audience, but maybe those speakers can be filmed like they would be for television? Then you could plug these in on the DVD in place of Saturday. See if the speakers will come in and do the same talk for filming, or they might film their own and send it. It will not be the same as the actual day of, but at least their formal presentations will be on the DVD for educational purposes.
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14th July 2008, 02:28 PM	#24
tkingdoll AKA TEEK Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Up Myself Posts: 12,450	Originally Posted by Michelle Lyon Idea. Can you film new presentations? There would not be an audience, but maybe those speakers can be filmed like they would be for television? Then you could plug these in on the DVD in place of Saturday. See if the speakers will come in and do the same talk for filming, or they might film their own and send it. It will not be the same as the actual day of, but at least their formal presentations will be on the DVD for educational purposes. I can tell you now that you have no chance of us ever doing that mass spoon bend again I guess the issue is the same as with voiceover: the upfront costs. If JREF manage to pursue damages and expenses from the AV folk, they'll still have to pay for all this stuff in advance, and it's not cheap.
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17th July 2008, 02:30 PM	#25
Michelle Lyon Muse Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bakersfield, CA Posts: 566	I wonder if an estimate can be obtained first, and present that estimate as part of the suit, instead of having to pay up front first and then present receipts?
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28th July 2008, 08:46 AM	#26
athanatic New Blood Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1	Steward Brand and the Long Now Foundation had some of the same AV problems you did. They switched to professional-multi-camera AV in 2006 and have had no problem since. Might ask them what they changed and who they used.
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30th July 2008, 05:43 PM	#27
TobiasTheViking Resident Asperger Autist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.S.A Posts: 5,437	Would it be possible to get an update?
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31st July 2008, 01:56 PM	#28
Jeff Wagg Communication and Outreach Manager JREF Staff Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vermont Posts: 2,677	We think we have all the audio we need to produce the DVDs. Rich is busy working miracles.. Thanks to everyone who helped! I'm going to unsticky this thread now.

31st July 2008, 08:34 PM	#29
Tressa Skeptic In Training Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 653	Originally Posted by Jeff Wagg We think we have all the audio we need to produce the DVDs. Rich is busy working miracles.. YES!!!!
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31st July 2008, 10:14 PM	#30
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1st August 2008, 01:22 AM	#31
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3rd August 2008, 08:50 AM	#32
scotth Atheist Political Candidate Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: DFW, TX area Posts: 1,801	I am pretty sure that people doing the A/V were a professional 3rd party outfit, not the Flamingo. The Flamingo's only fault in this was recommending them.
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4th August 2008, 07:03 PM	#33
Miss_Kitt Zombie Horse of Homeopathy Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lesser Seattle Posts: 2,030	YEAH!!!!! Whoooooot!! (thump, thump) I was at The Slammer on Saturday, but consoled myself with, "I'll just get the DVDs." Whew!
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4th August 2008, 09:22 PM	#34
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 15,891	Originally Posted by Jeff Wagg We think we have all the audio we need to produce the DVDs. Rich is busy working miracles.. Thanks to everyone who helped! I'm going to unsticky this thread now. If you look back on here - - even if you think it is all covered, have a seperate recording system that uses NO part of the location's system for input. My suggestion would be a camcorder feeding a hard-drive and with a good microphone. Preferably with someone there monitoring all the time and a back up battery pack. I generally use a minimum of two units- of which one gets an unchanging shot and the other gets the close-ups/medium/screen/s etc. and I am not a pro. I also have never lost the important shots.
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