Billy Mier

kittynh · 12th July 2008, 12:32 PM

I need the latest info on this guy. I thought he was just totally a joke, but I guess he's still pretty big in Europe? All the US info I get on him is that his photographs are a joke.

Any help welcome as I'm answering a question about him.

I feel almost like I got a quesion abuot Adamski or something!

thanks

Miss Whiplash · 12th July 2008, 01:45 PM

Contact Robert Sheaffer for the best info on debunking Billy Mier. From what I remember, Mier used models suspended from fishing poles to take his "famous" pictures. One model resembled a poultry brooder. Mier was a poultry farmer. Of course, Mier's out was he only had one arm, so how could he do all this? People overlooked the fact he could run a farm, chop wood, etc., very well with only one arm.

zooterkin · 12th July 2008, 03:19 PM

He's not someone I've heard of before, but the spelling seems to be Meier rather than Mier, in case that helps with searching for more info.

Minarvia · 12th July 2008, 03:26 PM

This may or may not help. He has been a subject on "The Paracast" for some time and here is a thread over there that may help you out a little. Or at least be a little entertaining.

http://forum.theparacast.com/f10/mic...contacts-t859/

AtomicMysteryMonster · 12th July 2008, 05:56 PM

Notes on some of his photographs.

Both this and the main article on Meier show debunkings and the claims of Meier's defenders.

This makes note of the Dean Martin Show-related hoax picture. That's right, Meier tried to pass off a picture of someone on the show off as that of an alien!

Koreans vs. a Billy Meier movie. Notice how his supporters react in the comments section.

These people debunked some Meier stuff, but they fell hard for some obvious fakes (and, to be fair, even admit to it).

Making a Meier-style spaceship.

I feel that these links destroy Meier's other "evidence."

This segment from a Youtube upload of "The World's Greatest Hoaxes" includes a look at some of Billy Meier's hoaxes. This video continues the examination of Meiers (Amazingly, supporters of his photos claim that his ex wife is lying to spite him rather than listening to a source close to him).

Minarvia · 12th July 2008, 06:16 PM

AtomicMysterMonster, yep. Pretty well debunked. Meier and Horn are nothing more than a joke.

Alice Shortcake · 13th July 2008, 01:45 PM

Didn't he claim to have gone back in time and photographed dinosaurs?

AtomicMysteryMonster · 13th July 2008, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Alice Shortcake

Didn't he claim to have gone back in time and photographed dinosaurs?

Yep. I think one of the links I posted even shows the children's book he used for the dinosaur pictures.

kittynh · 13th July 2008, 03:50 PM

Thank you so much!

there is some new tv movie in Europe about him and I'm getting a lot of questions about hiim. I thought he had been totally debunked, even by the rest of the UFO community a long time ago.

But maybe it was a slow day at that European tv movie making facility or something.

AtomicMysteryMonster · 8th August 2008, 09:32 PM

Over in another thread, someone posted a link to an article claiming that skeptics have "thrown in the towel" over Meier's stuff.

This is a load of crap, as the links in this thread clearly provide the things that article claims no skeptic has been able to reproduce. I also noticed that the source provided for the article you linked to comes from a website called http://theyfly.com. When I plugged that URL into Google, I got the following description:

Quote:

"They Fly is the official site of Michael Horn, Billy Meier's authorized American media representative and features Meier's UFO photos, films, video,..."

Oh yeah, no bias there. Riiiiiiiight...

I also found a Youtube channel devoted to recreating his videos, a Flickr channel connected to the previous link, and what seems to be the start of a series of Youtube videos debunking Meier.

TiaH · 10th August 2008, 01:35 PM

Isn't this the guy who wants to "debate" skeptics of his particular UFO woo and then says that if they won't give him time on their shows (to express his particular brand of crap) that it proves that they actually agree with what he is saying (the old "silence implies agreement" crap).

AtomicMysteryMonster · 13th August 2008, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by TiaH

Isn't this the guy who wants to "debate" skeptics of his particular UFO woo and then says that if they won't give him time on their shows (to express his particular brand of crap) that it proves that they actually agree with what he is saying (the old "silence implies agreement" crap).

I'm afraid I don't know. Does the guy you're thinking of only have one arm and runs a cult? If so, it's defintiely Meier.

Anacoluthon64 · 13th November 2008, 09:30 AM

According to this, which dates back to February 2005,

Quote:

Meier’s case was just authenticated when the top international professional skeptics at CFI-West failed, after four years of trying, to duplicate even one of his hundreds of stunningly clear, daylight photos and films of UFOs (or any of the other physical evidence), prompting noted professional skeptic and magician, James Randi, to withdraw his claim that the case, ongoing for 63 years, is a hoax.

This sounds to me like a fabrication from whole cloth. True, or not?

'Luthon64

blobru · 14th November 2008, 01:46 AM

If there is no one able to duplicate "stunningly clear... photos... of UFOs" such as this --

(blue screen double exposure; ya think?) -- I will eat every one of the trees in this stunningly clear photo.

Correa Neto · 14th November 2008, 04:01 AM

Anacoluthon64 · 14th November 2008, 06:43 AM

Hmm, I think I was unclear. Actually, I was more interested in the truth or otherwise of the claim that “noted professional skeptic and magician, James Randi, [felt obliged] to withdraw his claim that the case, ongoing for 63 years, is a hoax.” Then again, if the photos could be duplicated, as they evidently can, the remainder of the claim also falls flat like a faux UFO.

Thought so, thanks.

'Luthon64

AtomicMysteryMonster · 14th November 2008, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anacoluthon64

According to this, which dates back to February 2005,

This sounds to me like a fabrication from whole cloth. True, or not?

I think this will be of interest to you.

12th July 2008, 12:32 PM	#1
kittynh The Hupsu Detective auctioneer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: If I told the aliens could find me, and you know they read this forum Posts: 22,707	Billy Mier I need the latest info on this guy. I thought he was just totally a joke, but I guess he's still pretty big in Europe? All the US info I get on him is that his photographs are a joke. Any help welcome as I'm answering a question about him. I feel almost like I got a quesion abuot Adamski or something! thanks
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12th July 2008, 01:45 PM	#2
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12th July 2008, 03:19 PM	#3
zooterkin Nitpicking dilettante Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berkshire, mostly Posts: 24,588	He's not someone I've heard of before, but the spelling seems to be Meier rather than Mier, in case that helps with searching for more info.
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12th July 2008, 05:56 PM	#5
AtomicMysteryMonster Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,144	Notes on some of his photographs. Both this and the main article on Meier show debunkings and the claims of Meier's defenders. This makes note of the Dean Martin Show-related hoax picture. That's right, Meier tried to pass off a picture of someone on the show off as that of an alien! Koreans vs. a Billy Meier movie. Notice how his supporters react in the comments section. These people debunked some Meier stuff, but they fell hard for some obvious fakes (and, to be fair, even admit to it). Making a Meier-style spaceship. I feel that these links destroy Meier's other "evidence." This segment from a Youtube upload of "The World's Greatest Hoaxes" includes a look at some of Billy Meier's hoaxes. This video continues the examination of Meiers (Amazingly, supporters of his photos claim that his ex wife is lying to spite him rather than listening to a source close to him).
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13th July 2008, 01:45 PM	#7
Alice Shortcake Muse Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: York, England Posts: 750	Didn't he claim to have gone back in time and photographed dinosaurs?
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12th July 2008, 03:26 PM	#4
Minarvia fading orb Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,212	This may or may not help. He has been a subject on "The Paracast" for some time and here is a thread over there that may help you out a little. Or at least be a little entertaining. http://forum.theparacast.com/f10/mic...contacts-t859/

12th July 2008, 06:16 PM	#6
Minarvia fading orb Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,212	AtomicMysterMonster, yep. Pretty well debunked. Meier and Horn are nothing more than a joke.

13th July 2008, 02:57 PM	#8
AtomicMysteryMonster Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,144	Originally Posted by Alice Shortcake Didn't he claim to have gone back in time and photographed dinosaurs? Yep. I think one of the links I posted even shows the children's book he used for the dinosaur pictures.
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13th July 2008, 03:50 PM	#9
kittynh The Hupsu Detective auctioneer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: If I told the aliens could find me, and you know they read this forum Posts: 22,707	Thank you so much! there is some new tv movie in Europe about him and I'm getting a lot of questions about hiim. I thought he had been totally debunked, even by the rest of the UFO community a long time ago. But maybe it was a slow day at that European tv movie making facility or something.
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8th August 2008, 09:32 PM	#10
AtomicMysteryMonster Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,144	More Meier madness! Over in another thread, someone posted a link to an article claiming that skeptics have "thrown in the towel" over Meier's stuff. This is a load of crap, as the links in this thread clearly provide the things that article claims no skeptic has been able to reproduce. I also noticed that the source provided for the article you linked to comes from a website called http://theyfly.com. When I plugged that URL into Google, I got the following description: Quote: "They Fly is the official site of Michael Horn, Billy Meier's authorized American media representative and features Meier's UFO photos, films, video,..." Oh yeah, no bias there. Riiiiiiiight... I also found a Youtube channel devoted to recreating his videos, a Flickr channel connected to the previous link, and what seems to be the start of a series of Youtube videos debunking Meier.
	__________________ Open your mind and let the sun shine in. Let a wild hairy ape in there too, would you please? - William Parcher You can fool too many of the people too much of the time. - James Thurber

10th August 2008, 01:35 PM	#11
TiaH Scholar Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fox River Grove, IL Posts: 93	Isn't this the guy who wants to "debate" skeptics of his particular UFO woo and then says that if they won't give him time on their shows (to express his particular brand of crap) that it proves that they actually agree with what he is saying (the old "silence implies agreement" crap).

13th August 2008, 08:45 PM	#12
AtomicMysteryMonster Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,144	Originally Posted by TiaH Isn't this the guy who wants to "debate" skeptics of his particular UFO woo and then says that if they won't give him time on their shows (to express his particular brand of crap) that it proves that they actually agree with what he is saying (the old "silence implies agreement" crap). I'm afraid I don't know. Does the guy you're thinking of only have one arm and runs a cult? If so, it's defintiely Meier.
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13th November 2008, 09:30 AM	#13
Anacoluthon64 Defollyant Iconoclast Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sceptylvania Posts: 1,026	Billy Meier vs. Randi According to this, which dates back to February 2005, Quote: Meier’s case was just authenticated when the top international professional skeptics at CFI-West failed, after four years of trying, to duplicate even one of his hundreds of stunningly clear, daylight photos and films of UFOs (or any of the other physical evidence), prompting noted professional skeptic and magician, James Randi, to withdraw his claim that the case, ongoing for 63 years, is a hoax. This sounds to me like a fabrication from whole cloth. True, or not? 'Luthon64
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14th November 2008, 01:46 AM	#14
blobru Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 6,592	If there is no one able to duplicate "stunningly clear... photos... of UFOs" such as this -- (blue screen double exposure; ya think?) -- I will eat every one of the trees in this stunningly clear photo.
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14th November 2008, 04:01 AM	#15
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14th November 2008, 06:43 AM	#16
Anacoluthon64 Defollyant Iconoclast Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sceptylvania Posts: 1,026	Billy Meier vs. Randi II Hmm, I think I was unclear. Actually, I was more interested in the truth or otherwise of the claim that “noted professional skeptic and magician, James Randi, [felt obliged] to withdraw his claim that the case, ongoing for 63 years, is a hoax.” Then again, if the photos could be duplicated, as they evidently can, the remainder of the claim also falls flat like a faux UFO. Thought so, thanks. 'Luthon64
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14th November 2008, 12:50 PM	#17
AtomicMysteryMonster Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,144	Originally Posted by Anacoluthon64 According to this, which dates back to February 2005, This sounds to me like a fabrication from whole cloth. True, or not? I think this will be of interest to you.
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