A Mason speaks out against the constant slander by CTists

1337m4n · 13th July 2008, 05:33 PM

http://www.cross-x.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1593925

Post #5. It seems that real Masons are finally getting tired of being accused of everything from controlling the banks to altering the weather.

fullflavormenthol · 13th July 2008, 05:50 PM

It is so sad that people can convince themselves to see sinister symbolism in everything around them.

Gurdur · 13th July 2008, 08:26 PM

fnord.

fitzgibbon · 14th July 2008, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by 1337m4n

http://www.cross-x.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1593925

Post #5. It seems that real Masons are finally getting tired of being accused of everything from controlling the banks to altering the weather.

Well, it is more than a little tiresome when those with an agenda keep rehashing the same tripe again and again and again even though it's been debunked again and again and again. Sorta like the 9/11 'Truthers'; cockroaches of a kind that no amount of exposure to truth and light will prevent from trying to suck-in the unwary to their vortex of woo.

dudalb · 14th July 2008, 10:08 AM

The Masons are a distractions.
It's the Stonecutters we have to worry about......

Chaos · 14th July 2008, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

The Masons are a distractions.
It's the Stonecutters we have to worry about......

No they ain´t, silly. Everybody who can add 2 and 2 (without getting "5" as a result) knows that the Stonecutters are merely a front for the Fraternal Order of Milkmaids.

Cuddles · 15th July 2008, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Chaos

No they ain´t, silly. Everybody who can add 2 and 2 (without getting "5" as a result) knows that the Stonecutters are merely a front for the Fraternal Order of Milkmaids.

That's just what they want you to think. Obviously the FOM are merely tools of the Milk Marketing Board.

cgallaga · 15th July 2008, 08:13 AM

How can anyone go fourth in the world, with eyes wide opened, and not notice the cows?

ryanebelhar · 15th July 2008, 02:02 PM

My best friend is a mason. I always make fun of him because he does such a bad job keeping it a secret.

Chaos · 15th July 2008, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Cuddles

That's just what they want you to think. Obviously the FOM are merely tools of the Milk Marketing Board.

Bah! That´s just disinformation propagated by the FOM in order to hide their existence. But I´m on to them nonetheless.

Jontg · 15th July 2008, 02:16 PM

I'm seriously considering becoming a Freemason and getting a job in the NSA. Just so I can flash a badge and scare the pants off the next loon who tries to rally my campus against the secret masters.

Kthulhut Fhtagn · 15th July 2008, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

The Masons are a distractions.
It's the Stonecutters we have to worry about......

Are you mad? Just read this confession!

Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We do! We do!
Who leaves Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
We do! We do!
Who holds back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
We do! We do!
Who robs the cave fish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
We do! We do

Minadin · 15th July 2008, 02:41 PM

I liked this quote from 'Dan' from page 2 of the linked thread:

Originally Posted by Dan

Also also, "enlightened," in the Western tradition, means "able to use one's own powers of reason without outside guidance." That's from Kant. If we believed you despite your inability to defend your ideas against even the simplest of cross-examination questions, we would not be enlightened. The enlightened person is forced to reject your idea because you are unable to defend it. You're asking us to believe in counter-intuititive dogma for which you have presented exactly zero evidence. Plus, from the outset you make some absolutely ridiculous claims.

We could say exactly that to some of the woo-peddlers here and it would be just as apt.

TinfoilCat · 9th September 2008, 05:23 PM

I was searching Yahoo Answers (Even though it isn't the best place to look) for an answer to why people believe freemasonry is evil. One of the replies were something of the lines of "My uncle was a a 50th degree mason and he practiced druid stuff and he even showed me blah blah blah." Is it even possible to reach such a rank?

fitzgibbon · 9th September 2008, 08:10 PM

No, at least not in what's known as regular Freemasonry (which is what most people are referring to when the speak about Masons). There's 3 degrees in Blue or Craft Lodge (Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft and Master) and then there's two side rites: Scottish Rite and York Rite. The York Rite has 14 additional degrees and Scottish 33. For the most part, the highest anyone in Scottish Rite gets is 32nd degree as the 33rd is an honourary one.

HTH
Fitz

TinfoilCat · 10th September 2008, 03:21 PM

Quote:

No, at least not in what's known as regular Freemasonry (which is what most people are referring to when the speak about Masons). There's 3 degrees in Blue or Craft Lodge (Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft and Master) and then there's two side rites: Scottish Rite and York Rite. The York Rite has 14 additional degrees and Scottish 33. For the most part, the highest anyone in Scottish Rite gets is 32nd degree as the 33rd is an honourary one.

HTH
Fitz

Thanks for the information, it was very helpful. The thing I really don't understand is why someone would blatantly lie (If he/she is actually lying) about something like that. What would he/she possibly gain?

dudalb · 10th September 2008, 03:47 PM

I remember the huge fuss we had when it turned out that Ron Paul was a Mason,and how many of his followers were in denial.
The Irony is that although I hold many things against Ron Paul , being a Freemason is not one of them. Being a Mason is about as sinister as being a member of a Bowling league.

fitzgibbon · 10th September 2008, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by TinfoilCat

Thanks for the information, it was very helpful. The thing I really don't understand is why someone would blatantly lie (If he/she is actually lying) about something like that. What would he/she possibly gain?

Well, with Yahoo Answers, he'd get a point for every answer he posts, regardless of how wacked-out it is. Plus there are people in this world who just have a hate on for Freemasonry even though they haven't a clue as to what actually goes on in-Lodge. To be honest, some of the more wacked-out kind of world-controlling type of lies make it seem dangerously attractive. Maybe Masons should stop trying to deny the lies.

TinfoilCat · 10th September 2008, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Maybe Masons should stop trying to deny the lies.

Then it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory and our lives will be pointless.

angelsaramark · 11th September 2008, 03:05 PM

Do all skeptics just support what comes across the television? I can't prove / disprove any major conspiracy (JFK, etc), but it stands to reason that any documents, expert testimonies, etc., associated with said conspiracy would also be falsified.

I should think that a skeptic questions everything, no matter what. There's an old saying, "Believe none of what you read and half of what you see." I think that's the job of a skeptic. After working for a major chemical company, I have no faith in human nature as to self-damaging truth.

JonathanClement · 11th September 2008, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by cgallaga

How can anyone go fourth in the world, with eyes wide opened, and not notice the cows?

NO! IT'S THE PENGUINS! The cows are just disinformation! The cows are a lie! It's the penguins! Always watching us! Always hiding in barrels and rocks and bushes! EVERYWHERE! *Shifty eyes*

dudalb · 11th September 2008, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by JonathanClement

NO! IT'S THE PENGUINS! The cows are just disinformation! The cows are a lie! It's the penguins! Always watching us! Always hiding in barrels and rocks and bushes! EVERYWHERE! *Shifty eyes*

"You listened to the Penguins? THE PENGUINS ARE PSYCHOS"!

From "Madasgascar".

Elizabeth I · 11th September 2008, 05:29 PM

It's TOE THE LINE, people, TOE THE LINE. Meaning to stand with your toes exactly on a line [whether real or imaginary] as if someone had told you to do so.

"Tow the line" would mean to drag it along, and what in the world would that have to do with conforming to a dogma?

Hokulele · 12th September 2008, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by Elizabeth I

It's TOE THE LINE, people, TOE THE LINE. Meaning to stand with your toes exactly on a line [whether real or imaginary] as if someone had told you to do so.

"Tow the line" would mean to drag it along, and what in the world would that have to do with conforming to a dogma?

Yes, towing the line would be the definition of trolling.

Wait a minute . . .

CptColumbo · 12th September 2008, 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by angelsaramark

Do all skeptics just support what comes across the television? I can't prove / disprove any major conspiracy (JFK, etc), but it stands to reason that any documents, expert testimonies, etc., associated with said conspiracy would also be falsified.

I should think that a skeptic questions everything, no matter what. There's an old saying, "Believe none of what you read and half of what you see." I think that's the job of a skeptic. After working for a major chemical company, I have no faith in human nature as to self-damaging truth.

There is a difference between being skeptical and being cynical. "If your mother says she loves you, check it out."

CptColumbo · 12th September 2008, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by TinfoilCat

I was searching Yahoo Answers (Even though it isn't the best place to look) for an answer to why people believe freemasonry is evil. One of the replies were something of the lines of "My uncle was a a 50th degree mason and he practiced druid stuff and he even showed me blah blah blah." Is it even possible to reach such a rank?

Ask him what color hat he wore.

dudalb · 12th September 2008, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by angelsaramark

Do all skeptics just support what comes across the television? I can't prove / disprove any major conspiracy (JFK, etc), but it stands to reason that any documents, expert testimonies, etc., associated with said conspiracy would also be falsified.

I should think that a skeptic questions everything, no matter what. There's an old saying, "Believe none of what you read and half of what you see." I think that's the job of a skeptic. After working for a major chemical company, I have no faith in human nature as to self-damaging truth.

I don't think Skepticism means what you think it means.

TinfoilCat · 12th September 2008, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Do all skeptics just support what comes across the television? I can't prove / disprove any major conspiracy (JFK, etc), but it stands to reason that any documents, expert testimonies, etc., associated with said conspiracy would also be falsified.

I should think that a skeptic questions everything, no matter what. There's an old saying, "Believe none of what you read and half of what you see." I think that's the job of a skeptic. After working for a major chemical company, I have no faith in human nature as to self-damaging truth.

I'm a skeptic, yet I believe in some meager conspiracies, such as a government official being bribed by companies (which is extremely possible) and I am devoted to my religion. I believe that most skeptics only disbelieve in conspiracies if their is a great lack of real evidence supporting them.

Elizabeth I · 12th September 2008, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

Yes, towing the line would be the definition of trolling.

Wait a minute . . .

Ooohh...

Old Bob · 2nd October 2008, 03:08 AM

Why are mason temples built on ley lines?

fromdownunder · 2nd October 2008, 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by Old Bob

Why are mason temples built on ley lines?

I'm going to try for the impossible, and ask you to provide evidence for this. There is no evidence that ley lines even exist outside of people's imaginations.

I would also ask you exactly what you think ley lines are, and ask you to either put up on this or shut up. You are an embarrasment to all normal Australians.

(Although perhaps there is a problem with Masons - I have heard that they use liquids containing DHMO in some of their less formal rituals, and you know how bad that is, as you discovered on another thread)

Norm

Big Les · 2nd October 2008, 05:18 AM

Robert Cooper has written a couple of great books that you could say were "speaking out" in defence of Freemasonry in CT terms. His interest is history, not claims about recent events, but it's all part of the same tradition of blame/scapegoating.

RoboTimbo · 2nd October 2008, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by Old Bob

Why are mason temples built on ley lines?

I thought they were Tow Lines (or Toe Lines).

Lonewulf · 2nd October 2008, 07:17 AM

I'd make a conspiracy-oriented joke, but I'm pretty sure we've already heard it all a millionfold over.

I have better things to do. Like pick at my toes.

Which I do now.

Davidlpf · 3rd October 2008, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by fitzgibbon

No, at least not in what's known as regular Freemasonry (which is what most people are referring to when the speak about Masons). There's 3 degrees in Blue or Craft Lodge (Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft and Master) and then there's two side rites: Scottish Rite and York Rite. The York Rite has 14 additional degrees and Scottish 33. For the most part, the highest anyone in Scottish Rite gets is 32nd degree as the 33rd is an honourary one.

HTH
Fitz

Once you are finished all the degrees in either rite you can become a Shriner.

dudalb · 3rd October 2008, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Davidlpf

Once you are finished all the degrees in either rite you can become a Shriner.

Not any more. A few years ago the Shriners dropped the requirement to complete the Scottish or York Rite degrees; now you just have to be a Master Mason.

CptColumbo · 4th October 2008, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Not any more. A few years ago the Shriners dropped the requirement to complete the Scottish or York Rite degrees; now you just have to be a Master Mason.

I might be different between Temples. My father was never a Master, but was able to join the Zurrah Temple.

Old Bob · 6th October 2008, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by fromdownunder

I'm going to try for the impossible, and ask you to provide evidence for this. There is no evidence that ley lines even exist outside of people's imaginations.

I would also ask you exactly what you think ley lines are, and ask you to either put up on this or shut up. You are an embarrasment to all normal Australians.

(Although perhaps there is a problem with Masons - I have heard that they use liquids containing DHMO in some of their less formal rituals, and you know how bad that is, as you discovered on another thread)

Norm

If you don't know what a ley line is your the one who needs to learn a bit. Just put it in the search engine if you know how. How come your so angry about things just out of your reach? I'm a embarrasment to what? did you say normal Australians Hmmm. DHMO---- good joke.

Mashuna · 6th October 2008, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by Old Bob

Why are mason temples built on ley lines?

Well, all masonic temples are built so they form the shape of the dread sigil Odegra. The positioning on the ley lines enables the power of Odegra to infect said lines and propogate around the globe. This poisoning of the ley line's powers is the reason that psi abilities have been suppressed around the globe. It's quite obvious, really.

Old Bob · 6th October 2008, 05:30 AM

Good one Mashuna, can you please enlighten us on "Dreaded Sigal Odegra" ?

13th July 2008, 05:33 PM	#1
1337m4n Alphanumeric Anonymous Stick Man Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3,499	A Mason speaks out against the constant slander by CTists http://www.cross-x.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1593925 Post #5. It seems that real Masons are finally getting tired of being accused of everything from controlling the banks to altering the weather.
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13th July 2008, 05:50 PM	#2
fullflavormenthol Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,417	It is so sad that people can convince themselves to see sinister symbolism in everything around them.
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13th July 2008, 08:26 PM	#3
Gurdur Person Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 4,875	fnord.
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14th July 2008, 03:08 PM	#6
Chaos TAM Chocolate Dispenser Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Heart of Old Europe Posts: 9,779	Originally Posted by dudalb The Masons are a distractions. It's the Stonecutters we have to worry about...... No they ain´t, silly. Everybody who can add 2 and 2 (without getting "5" as a result) knows that the Stonecutters are merely a front for the Fraternal Order of Milkmaids.
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15th July 2008, 07:58 AM	#7
Cuddles Decoy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land full of pink fluffy sheeps and bunnies Posts: 16,592	Originally Posted by Chaos No they ain´t, silly. Everybody who can add 2 and 2 (without getting "5" as a result) knows that the Stonecutters are merely a front for the Fraternal Order of Milkmaids. That's just what they want you to think. Obviously the FOM are merely tools of the Milk Marketing Board.
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14th July 2008, 06:27 AM	#4
fitzgibbon Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Just west of the centre of the universe Posts: 2,548	Originally Posted by 1337m4n http://www.cross-x.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1593925 Post #5. It seems that real Masons are finally getting tired of being accused of everything from controlling the banks to altering the weather. Well, it is more than a little tiresome when those with an agenda keep rehashing the same tripe again and again and again even though it's been debunked again and again and again. Sorta like the 9/11 'Truthers'; cockroaches of a kind that no amount of exposure to truth and light will prevent from trying to suck-in the unwary to their vortex of woo.

14th July 2008, 10:08 AM	#5
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,836	The Masons are a distractions. It's the Stonecutters we have to worry about......

15th July 2008, 08:13 AM	#8
cgallaga Stranger in a Strange Land Join Date: May 2006 Location: Beautiful Ma Wan Island Posts: 1,550	How can anyone go fourth in the world, with eyes wide opened, and not notice the cows?
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15th July 2008, 02:02 PM	#9
ryanebelhar Thinker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 194	My best friend is a mason. I always make fun of him because he does such a bad job keeping it a secret.

15th July 2008, 02:16 PM	#10
Chaos TAM Chocolate Dispenser Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Heart of Old Europe Posts: 9,779	Originally Posted by Cuddles That's just what they want you to think. Obviously the FOM are merely tools of the Milk Marketing Board. Bah! That´s just disinformation propagated by the FOM in order to hide their existence. But I´m on to them nonetheless.
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15th July 2008, 02:16 PM	#11
Jontg The Bear Skeptic Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: A world of kindling. Posts: 926	I'm seriously considering becoming a Freemason and getting a job in the NSA. Just so I can flash a badge and scare the pants off the next loon who tries to rally my campus against the secret masters.
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15th July 2008, 02:21 PM	#12
Kthulhut Fhtagn Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Somewhere in time and space... Posts: 1,939	Originally Posted by dudalb The Masons are a distractions. It's the Stonecutters we have to worry about...... Are you mad? Just read this confession! Who controls the British crown? Who keeps the metric system down? We do! We do! Who leaves Atlantis off the maps? Who keeps the Martians under wraps? We do! We do! Who holds back the electric car? Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star? We do! We do! Who robs the cave fish of their sight? Who rigs every Oscar night? We do! We do

15th July 2008, 02:41 PM	#13
Minadin Hiding his Head in the Sane Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,473	I liked this quote from 'Dan' from page 2 of the linked thread: Originally Posted by Dan Also also, "enlightened," in the Western tradition, means "able to use one's own powers of reason without outside guidance." That's from Kant. If we believed you despite your inability to defend your ideas against even the simplest of cross-examination questions, we would not be enlightened. The enlightened person is forced to reject your idea because you are unable to defend it. You're asking us to believe in counter-intuititive dogma for which you have presented exactly zero evidence. Plus, from the outset you make some absolutely ridiculous claims. We could say exactly that to some of the woo-peddlers here and it would be just as apt.
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9th September 2008, 05:23 PM	#14
TinfoilCat Thinker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In my imagination. Posts: 127	I was searching Yahoo Answers (Even though it isn't the best place to look) for an answer to why people believe freemasonry is evil. One of the replies were something of the lines of "My uncle was a a 50th degree mason and he practiced druid stuff and he even showed me blah blah blah." Is it even possible to reach such a rank?

9th September 2008, 08:10 PM	#15
fitzgibbon Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Just west of the centre of the universe Posts: 2,548	No, at least not in what's known as regular Freemasonry (which is what most people are referring to when the speak about Masons). There's 3 degrees in Blue or Craft Lodge (Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft and Master) and then there's two side rites: Scottish Rite and York Rite. The York Rite has 14 additional degrees and Scottish 33. For the most part, the highest anyone in Scottish Rite gets is 32nd degree as the 33rd is an honourary one. HTH Fitz

10th September 2008, 03:21 PM	#16
TinfoilCat Thinker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In my imagination. Posts: 127	Quote: No, at least not in what's known as regular Freemasonry (which is what most people are referring to when the speak about Masons). There's 3 degrees in Blue or Craft Lodge (Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft and Master) and then there's two side rites: Scottish Rite and York Rite. The York Rite has 14 additional degrees and Scottish 33. For the most part, the highest anyone in Scottish Rite gets is 32nd degree as the 33rd is an honourary one. HTH Fitz Thanks for the information, it was very helpful. The thing I really don't understand is why someone would blatantly lie (If he/she is actually lying) about something like that. What would he/she possibly gain?

10th September 2008, 03:47 PM	#17
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,836	I remember the huge fuss we had when it turned out that Ron Paul was a Mason,and how many of his followers were in denial. The Irony is that although I hold many things against Ron Paul , being a Freemason is not one of them. Being a Mason is about as sinister as being a member of a Bowling league.

10th September 2008, 04:43 PM	#18
fitzgibbon Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Just west of the centre of the universe Posts: 2,548	Originally Posted by TinfoilCat Thanks for the information, it was very helpful. The thing I really don't understand is why someone would blatantly lie (If he/she is actually lying) about something like that. What would he/she possibly gain? Well, with Yahoo Answers, he'd get a point for every answer he posts, regardless of how wacked-out it is. Plus there are people in this world who just have a hate on for Freemasonry even though they haven't a clue as to what actually goes on in-Lodge. To be honest, some of the more wacked-out kind of world-controlling type of lies make it seem dangerously attractive. Maybe Masons should stop trying to deny the lies.

10th September 2008, 05:32 PM	#19
TinfoilCat Thinker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In my imagination. Posts: 127	Quote: Maybe Masons should stop trying to deny the lies. Then it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory and our lives will be pointless.

11th September 2008, 03:05 PM	#20
angelsaramark Scholar Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 59	Skeptics Job to Tow the Line? Do all skeptics just support what comes across the television? I can't prove / disprove any major conspiracy (JFK, etc), but it stands to reason that any documents, expert testimonies, etc., associated with said conspiracy would also be falsified. I should think that a skeptic questions everything, no matter what. There's an old saying, "Believe none of what you read and half of what you see." I think that's the job of a skeptic. After working for a major chemical company, I have no faith in human nature as to self-damaging truth.
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11th September 2008, 03:30 PM	#21
JonathanClement Thinker Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 210	Originally Posted by cgallaga How can anyone go fourth in the world, with eyes wide opened, and not notice the cows? NO! IT'S THE PENGUINS! The cows are just disinformation! The cows are a lie! It's the penguins! Always watching us! Always hiding in barrels and rocks and bushes! EVERYWHERE! Shifty eyes
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11th September 2008, 04:22 PM	#22
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,836	Originally Posted by JonathanClement NO! IT'S THE PENGUINS! The cows are just disinformation! The cows are a lie! It's the penguins! Always watching us! Always hiding in barrels and rocks and bushes! EVERYWHERE! Shifty eyes "You listened to the Penguins? THE PENGUINS ARE PSYCHOS"! From "Madasgascar".

11th September 2008, 05:29 PM	#23
Elizabeth I Olympic Equestrian Wannabe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Defending the Alamo Posts: 9,267	It's TOE THE LINE, people, TOE THE LINE. Meaning to stand with your toes exactly on a line [whether real or imaginary] as if someone had told you to do so. "Tow the line" would mean to drag it along, and what in the world would that have to do with conforming to a dogma?
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12th September 2008, 01:17 AM	#24
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,271	Originally Posted by Elizabeth I It's TOE THE LINE, people, TOE THE LINE. Meaning to stand with your toes exactly on a line [whether real or imaginary] as if someone had told you to do so. "Tow the line" would mean to drag it along, and what in the world would that have to do with conforming to a dogma? Yes, towing the line would be the definition of trolling. Wait a minute . . .
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12th September 2008, 03:15 AM	#25
CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 9,130	Originally Posted by angelsaramark Do all skeptics just support what comes across the television? I can't prove / disprove any major conspiracy (JFK, etc), but it stands to reason that any documents, expert testimonies, etc., associated with said conspiracy would also be falsified. I should think that a skeptic questions everything, no matter what. There's an old saying, "Believe none of what you read and half of what you see." I think that's the job of a skeptic. After working for a major chemical company, I have no faith in human nature as to self-damaging truth. There is a difference between being skeptical and being cynical. "If your mother says she loves you, check it out."
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12th September 2008, 04:15 AM	#26
CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 9,130	Originally Posted by TinfoilCat I was searching Yahoo Answers (Even though it isn't the best place to look) for an answer to why people believe freemasonry is evil. One of the replies were something of the lines of "My uncle was a a 50th degree mason and he practiced druid stuff and he even showed me blah blah blah." Is it even possible to reach such a rank? Ask him what color hat he wore.
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12th September 2008, 04:00 PM	#27
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,836	Originally Posted by angelsaramark Do all skeptics just support what comes across the television? I can't prove / disprove any major conspiracy (JFK, etc), but it stands to reason that any documents, expert testimonies, etc., associated with said conspiracy would also be falsified. I should think that a skeptic questions everything, no matter what. There's an old saying, "Believe none of what you read and half of what you see." I think that's the job of a skeptic. After working for a major chemical company, I have no faith in human nature as to self-damaging truth. I don't think Skepticism means what you think it means.

12th September 2008, 04:11 PM	#28
TinfoilCat Thinker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In my imagination. Posts: 127	Quote: Do all skeptics just support what comes across the television? I can't prove / disprove any major conspiracy (JFK, etc), but it stands to reason that any documents, expert testimonies, etc., associated with said conspiracy would also be falsified. I should think that a skeptic questions everything, no matter what. There's an old saying, "Believe none of what you read and half of what you see." I think that's the job of a skeptic. After working for a major chemical company, I have no faith in human nature as to self-damaging truth. I'm a skeptic, yet I believe in some meager conspiracies, such as a government official being bribed by companies (which is extremely possible) and I am devoted to my religion. I believe that most skeptics only disbelieve in conspiracies if their is a great lack of real evidence supporting them.

12th September 2008, 06:14 PM	#29
Elizabeth I Olympic Equestrian Wannabe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Defending the Alamo Posts: 9,267	Originally Posted by Hokulele Yes, towing the line would be the definition of trolling. Wait a minute . . . Ooohh...
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2nd October 2008, 03:08 AM	#30
Old Bob Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 649	Why are mason temples built on ley lines?
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2nd October 2008, 03:58 AM	#31
fromdownunder Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,095	Originally Posted by Old Bob Why are mason temples built on ley lines? I'm going to try for the impossible, and ask you to provide evidence for this. There is no evidence that ley lines even exist outside of people's imaginations. I would also ask you exactly what you think ley lines are, and ask you to either put up on this or shut up. You are an embarrasment to all normal Australians. (Although perhaps there is a problem with Masons - I have heard that they use liquids containing DHMO in some of their less formal rituals, and you know how bad that is, as you discovered on another thread) Norm
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2nd October 2008, 05:18 AM	#32
Big Les Not so much a medium as a large Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 5,004	Robert Cooper has written a couple of great books that you could say were "speaking out" in defence of Freemasonry in CT terms. His interest is history, not claims about recent events, but it's all part of the same tradition of blame/scapegoating.
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2nd October 2008, 06:14 AM	#33
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 21,875	Originally Posted by Old Bob Why are mason temples built on ley lines? I thought they were Tow Lines (or Toe Lines).

2nd October 2008, 07:17 AM	#34
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	I'd make a conspiracy-oriented joke, but I'm pretty sure we've already heard it all a millionfold over. I have better things to do. Like pick at my toes. Which I do now.
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3rd October 2008, 04:15 AM	#35
Davidlpf Muse Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 538	Originally Posted by fitzgibbon No, at least not in what's known as regular Freemasonry (which is what most people are referring to when the speak about Masons). There's 3 degrees in Blue or Craft Lodge (Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft and Master) and then there's two side rites: Scottish Rite and York Rite. The York Rite has 14 additional degrees and Scottish 33. For the most part, the highest anyone in Scottish Rite gets is 32nd degree as the 33rd is an honourary one. HTH Fitz Once you are finished all the degrees in either rite you can become a Shriner.
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