Child Killer Samir Kuntar to receive state welcoming in Lebanon

skepticalbeliever · 15th July 2008, 07:41 PM

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

I don't understand why a man who killed a family should receive a hero’s welcome. I mean, what good did this man ever do? People who attend this event, including the "pro western", Fouid Sanora, should be ashamed of them selves. We shouldn't give the Lebanese government any money if they are going to celebrate the return of a man who killed an entire family.

Puppycow · 16th July 2008, 12:34 AM

This sets a very bad precedent for Israel.

Story here

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It’s hard to imagine any way this can result in anything good. It will encourage the terrorists to continue taking more hostages, and lets them know they don’t even have to keep their hostages alive.

This is one of the most counter-productive, self-defeating moves I’ve ever seen.

ETA: HUGE win for Hizbullah.

webfusion · 16th July 2008, 03:07 AM

Quote:

This sets a very bad precedent for Israel.

A. Israel holds no more Lebanese. There is nobody to trade for anymore.
Ipso-Facto, no incentive to make such a raid again.

B. This type of arrangment was precedented already. (See: January 29, 2004)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...wap012904.html

That being said, the IDF has to still consider the Cpl. Shalit incident in this context, as Israel holds thousands of palestinian prisoners. So, yes, the precedent vis-a-vis the palestinians continues to exist.

mrbaracuda · 16th July 2008, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by skepticalbeliever

I don't understand why a man who killed a family should receive a hero’s welcome.

It's Hezbollah and Lebanon we're talking about here. You might have missed that.

Thunder · 16th July 2008, 04:39 PM

This was the most horrendous decision by Israel I have ever seen.

They traded 2 dead bodies...for living evil murders? what a horrible trade..and a horrible precident that has just been set.

All the terror groups can now say "we can capture israelis, torture them, kill them, and then trade the remains for our brothers in israeli prisons".

what a horrible day for israel.

Policenaut · 16th July 2008, 05:33 PM

Well that's the kind of crap they have to deal with every day. Decisions that are usually lose-lose.

trustbutverify · 16th July 2008, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

This was the most horrendous decision by Israel I have ever seen.

They traded 2 dead bodies...for living evil murders? what a horrible trade..and a horrible precident that has just been set.

All the terror groups can now say "we can capture israelis, torture them, kill them, and then trade the remains for our brothers in israeli prisons".

what a horrible day for israel.

I agree 100%. But the straw that breaks the camel, for me, is the release of a man who pulvarized a small girls head into pulp with the butt of a rifle. Israel needs leadership.

webfusion · 16th July 2008, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by parky76

This was the most horrendous decision by Israel I have ever seen.

They traded 2 dead bodies...for living evil murders? what a horrible trade..and a horrible precident that has just been set.

All the terror groups can now say "we can capture israelis, torture them, kill them, and then trade the remains for our brothers in israeli prisons".

what a horrible day for israel.

Are you reading the posts here?
Scroll back a few to mine --
"This type of arrangment was precedented already. (See: January 29, 2004)"
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...wap012904.html

The exchange was hailed by the Palestinian Authority and viewed as a national holiday in Lebanon. In Israel, however, the public was deeply divided over the wisdom of the deal.

And here we are at the same point, once again.

Puppycow · 16th July 2008, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by webfusion

Are you reading the posts here?
Scroll back a few to mine --
"This type of arrangment was precedented already. (See: January 29, 2004)"
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...wap012904.html

The exchange was hailed by the Palestinian Authority and viewed as a national holiday in Lebanon. In Israel, however, the public was deeply divided over the wisdom of the deal.

And here we are at the same point, once again.

Well then, the bad precedent was the first such lopsided prisoners for bodies exchange. The point remains the same. It is a bad precedent.

WildCat · 17th July 2008, 04:59 AM

Maybe E.J. Armstrong will pop in to explain that the torturing regime of George Bush gave Lynndie England et al a hero's welcome back from Iraq.

Oh, wait...

mrbaracuda · 17th July 2008, 05:25 AM

Nasrallah appearance and speech.

Meh.

Originally Posted by WildCat

Maybe E.J. Armstrong will pop in to explain that the torturing regime of George Bush gave Lynndie England et al a hero's welcome back from Iraq.

Oh, wait...

You mean they didn't? I am shocked!

mrbaracuda · 17th July 2008, 06:10 AM

Not one word about what he did: Thank you, islamonline.net

WildCat · 17th July 2008, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by mrbaracuda

Not one word about what he did: Thank you, islamonline.net

Why should there be? He was simply excersizing his god-given right to kill Jews.

mrbaracuda · 17th July 2008, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Why should there be? He was simply excersizing his god-given right to kill Jews.

What are you, some kind of islamophobe?

gumboot · 17th July 2008, 06:46 AM

So what evil thing did the evil Israelis do to force this perfectly innocent and loving man to do such terrible things?

Surely this man deserves compensation for the trauma of having filthy Jew-blood touch his skin. Pay up Israel!

This is really quite horrific. To quote a fictional french police inspector... "The world is inside out, the world is upside down".

WildCat · 17th July 2008, 10:13 AM

Well, at least Kantar is sorry and says he won't do it again! Oh, wait...

Quote:

"This time yesterday, I was in the hands of the enemy (Israelis). But at this moment, I am yearning more than before to confront them," Kantar said.

Mark6 · 18th July 2008, 01:25 PM

Had an Israeli, soldier or civilian, deliberately shot an Arab parent to death in front of his young child, and then smashed in her skull with a rifle butt, in front of eyewitnesses, he would have been arrested, tried, and probably sentenced to life in prison, by the Israeli government. He would have also been condemned by Israeli society as a vicious monster. In contrast, this bloodthirsty psychopath was welcomed as a hero in Lebanon.

As long as this attitude toward wanton and deliberate murder, and worship of death and those who bring it persists in the Arab world, there will be no peace in the Middle East, regardless of how much we appease them, even if we allow them their true goal, which is the destruction of the state of Israel and its Jewish inhabitants.

And here is another little detail: Bodies' Abuse Made ID Difficult

Quote:

"verification process yesterday was very slow, because, if we thought the enemy was cruel to the living and the dead, we were surprised, when we opened the caskets, to discover just how cruel. And I'll leave it at that."

What is he complaining about? Did someone make these soldiers wear panties on their heads? Or flush a Torah down the toilet?

And yes, I am curious where E.J. Armstrong is hiding.

mrbaracuda · 18th July 2008, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Mark6

And yes, I am curious where E.J. Armstrong is hiding.

Giving out candy in his neighbourhood, accompanied by honking cars.

WildCat · 18th July 2008, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Mark6

And yes, I am curious where E.J. Armstrong is hiding.

Maybe he went to Lebanon to join in the celebration.

fuelair · 18th July 2008, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Policenaut

Well that's the kind of crap they have to deal with every day. Decisions that are usually lose-lose.

Which is why people like me think they should (the Israelis) be blowing up lots more............things.

WildCat · 19th July 2008, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Which is why people like me think they should (the Israelis) be blowing up lots more............things.

A certain palace in Damascus would be a good start.

moon1969 · 19th July 2008, 02:31 PM

If the USA doesn"t support the government in Lebanon, then Iran and Syria will support Nasrallah and Hezbollah and they will take over Lebanon with a coup. That is what Ahmadinejad is trying to do. Ahmadinejad is trying to use Lebanon to atack Israel.

WildCat · 19th July 2008, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by moon1969

If the USA doesn"t support the government in Lebanon, then Iran and Syria will support Nasrallah and Hezbollah and they will take over Lebanon with a coup. That is what Ahmadinejad is trying to do. Ahmadinejad is trying to use Lebanon to atack Israel.

So the US should support Hezbollah?

Mycroft · 22nd July 2008, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by skepticalbeliever

I don't understand why a man who killed a family should receive a hero’s welcome. I mean, what good did this man ever do?

I don't know that understanding the why of it is quite possible, but understanding that they do is important in understanding what Israel faces day in and day out.

15th July 2008, 07:41 PM	#1
skepticalbeliever Thinker Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 199	Child Killer Samir Kuntar to receive state welcoming in Lebanon http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull I don't understand why a man who killed a family should receive a hero’s welcome. I mean, what good did this man ever do? People who attend this event, including the "pro western", Fouid Sanora, should be ashamed of them selves. We shouldn't give the Lebanese government any money if they are going to celebrate the return of a man who killed an entire family.
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16th July 2008, 12:34 AM	#2
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 15,723	This sets a very bad precedent for Israel. Story here Reaction Quote: It’s hard to imagine any way this can result in anything good. It will encourage the terrorists to continue taking more hostages, and lets them know they don’t even have to keep their hostages alive. This is one of the most counter-productive, self-defeating moves I’ve ever seen. ETA: HUGE win for Hizbullah.
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16th July 2008, 11:12 PM	#9
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 15,723	Originally Posted by webfusion Are you reading the posts here? Scroll back a few to mine -- "This type of arrangment was precedented already. (See: January 29, 2004)" http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...wap012904.html The exchange was hailed by the Palestinian Authority and viewed as a national holiday in Lebanon. In Israel, however, the public was deeply divided over the wisdom of the deal. And here we are at the same point, once again. Well then, the bad precedent was the first such lopsided prisoners for bodies exchange. The point remains the same. It is a bad precedent.
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17th July 2008, 04:59 AM	#10
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,983	Maybe E.J. Armstrong will pop in to explain that the torturing regime of George Bush gave Lynndie England et al a hero's welcome back from Iraq. Oh, wait...
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17th July 2008, 06:46 AM	#15
gumboot lorcutus.tolere Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 23,105	So what evil thing did the evil Israelis do to force this perfectly innocent and loving man to do such terrible things? Surely this man deserves compensation for the trauma of having filthy Jew-blood touch his skin. Pay up Israel! This is really quite horrific. To quote a fictional french police inspector... "The world is inside out, the world is upside down".
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16th July 2008, 03:07 AM	#3
webfusion Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Near I-95 Posts: 6,216	Quote: This sets a very bad precedent for Israel. A. Israel holds no more Lebanese. There is nobody to trade for anymore. Ipso-Facto, no incentive to make such a raid again. B. This type of arrangment was precedented already. (See: January 29, 2004) http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...wap012904.html That being said, the IDF has to still consider the Cpl. Shalit incident in this context, as Israel holds thousands of palestinian prisoners. So, yes, the precedent vis-a-vis the palestinians continues to exist.

16th July 2008, 04:32 AM	#4
mrbaracuda Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,799	Originally Posted by skepticalbeliever I don't understand why a man who killed a family should receive a hero’s welcome. It's Hezbollah and Lebanon we're talking about here. You might have missed that.

16th July 2008, 04:39 PM	#5
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	This was the most horrendous decision by Israel I have ever seen. They traded 2 dead bodies...for living evil murders? what a horrible trade..and a horrible precident that has just been set. All the terror groups can now say "we can capture israelis, torture them, kill them, and then trade the remains for our brothers in israeli prisons". what a horrible day for israel.

16th July 2008, 05:33 PM	#6
Policenaut Infidel Defiler Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Shadow Moses Island Posts: 2,193	Well that's the kind of crap they have to deal with every day. Decisions that are usually lose-lose.

16th July 2008, 08:53 PM	#7
trustbutverify Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,080	Originally Posted by parky76 This was the most horrendous decision by Israel I have ever seen. They traded 2 dead bodies...for living evil murders? what a horrible trade..and a horrible precident that has just been set. All the terror groups can now say "we can capture israelis, torture them, kill them, and then trade the remains for our brothers in israeli prisons". what a horrible day for israel. I agree 100%. But the straw that breaks the camel, for me, is the release of a man who pulvarized a small girls head into pulp with the butt of a rifle. Israel needs leadership.

16th July 2008, 09:53 PM	#8
webfusion Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Near I-95 Posts: 6,216	Originally Posted by parky76 This was the most horrendous decision by Israel I have ever seen. They traded 2 dead bodies...for living evil murders? what a horrible trade..and a horrible precident that has just been set. All the terror groups can now say "we can capture israelis, torture them, kill them, and then trade the remains for our brothers in israeli prisons". what a horrible day for israel. Are you reading the posts here? Scroll back a few to mine -- "This type of arrangment was precedented already. (See: January 29, 2004)" http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...wap012904.html The exchange was hailed by the Palestinian Authority and viewed as a national holiday in Lebanon. In Israel, however, the public was deeply divided over the wisdom of the deal. And here we are at the same point, once again.

17th July 2008, 05:25 AM	#11
mrbaracuda Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,799	Nasrallah appearance and speech. Meh. Originally Posted by WildCat Maybe E.J. Armstrong will pop in to explain that the torturing regime of George Bush gave Lynndie England et al a hero's welcome back from Iraq. Oh, wait... You mean they didn't? I am shocked!

17th July 2008, 06:10 AM	#12
mrbaracuda Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,799	Not one word about what he did: Thank you, islamonline.net

17th July 2008, 06:23 AM	#13
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,983	Originally Posted by mrbaracuda Not one word about what he did: Thank you, islamonline.net Why should there be? He was simply excersizing his god-given right to kill Jews.

17th July 2008, 06:27 AM	#14
mrbaracuda Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,799	Originally Posted by WildCat Why should there be? He was simply excersizing his god-given right to kill Jews. What are you, some kind of islamophobe?

17th July 2008, 10:13 AM	#16
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,983	Well, at least Kantar is sorry and says he won't do it again! Oh, wait... Quote: "This time yesterday, I was in the hands of the enemy (Israelis). But at this moment, I am yearning more than before to confront them," Kantar said.

18th July 2008, 01:25 PM	#17
Mark6 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,176	Had an Israeli, soldier or civilian, deliberately shot an Arab parent to death in front of his young child, and then smashed in her skull with a rifle butt, in front of eyewitnesses, he would have been arrested, tried, and probably sentenced to life in prison, by the Israeli government. He would have also been condemned by Israeli society as a vicious monster. In contrast, this bloodthirsty psychopath was welcomed as a hero in Lebanon. As long as this attitude toward wanton and deliberate murder, and worship of death and those who bring it persists in the Arab world, there will be no peace in the Middle East, regardless of how much we appease them, even if we allow them their true goal, which is the destruction of the state of Israel and its Jewish inhabitants. And here is another little detail: Bodies' Abuse Made ID Difficult Quote: "verification process yesterday was very slow, because, if we thought the enemy was cruel to the living and the dead, we were surprised, when we opened the caskets, to discover just how cruel. And I'll leave it at that." What is he complaining about? Did someone make these soldiers wear panties on their heads? Or flush a Torah down the toilet? And yes, I am curious where E.J. Armstrong is hiding.
Mark6 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,176

18th July 2008, 01:31 PM	#18
mrbaracuda Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,799	Originally Posted by Mark6 And yes, I am curious where E.J. Armstrong is hiding. Giving out candy in his neighbourhood, accompanied by honking cars.

18th July 2008, 02:42 PM	#19
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,983	Originally Posted by Mark6 And yes, I am curious where E.J. Armstrong is hiding. Maybe he went to Lebanon to join in the celebration.

18th July 2008, 11:38 PM	#20
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,900	Originally Posted by Policenaut Well that's the kind of crap they have to deal with every day. Decisions that are usually lose-lose. Which is why people like me think they should (the Israelis) be blowing up lots more............things.
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,900

19th July 2008, 07:51 AM	#21
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,983	Originally Posted by fuelair Which is why people like me think they should (the Israelis) be blowing up lots more............things. A certain palace in Damascus would be a good start.

19th July 2008, 02:31 PM	#22
moon1969 Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,288	If the USA doesn"t support the government in Lebanon, then Iran and Syria will support Nasrallah and Hezbollah and they will take over Lebanon with a coup. That is what Ahmadinejad is trying to do. Ahmadinejad is trying to use Lebanon to atack Israel.

19th July 2008, 04:37 PM	#23
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,983	Originally Posted by moon1969 If the USA doesn"t support the government in Lebanon, then Iran and Syria will support Nasrallah and Hezbollah and they will take over Lebanon with a coup. That is what Ahmadinejad is trying to do. Ahmadinejad is trying to use Lebanon to atack Israel. So the US should support Hezbollah?

22nd July 2008, 02:35 AM	#24
Mycroft High Priest of Ed Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 16,105	Originally Posted by skepticalbeliever I don't understand why a man who killed a family should receive a hero’s welcome. I mean, what good did this man ever do? I don't know that understanding the why of it is quite possible, but understanding that they do is important in understanding what Israel faces day in and day out.
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