Wacky treatment looks legit (fish)

quixotecoyote · 21st July 2008, 12:00 PM

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Fish pedicures are creating something of a splash in the D.C. area, where a northern Virginia spa has been offering them for the past four months.

... razors have fallen out of favor with state regulators because of concerns about whether they're sanitary.

"I'd been an athlete all my life, so I've always had calluses on my feet. This was the first time somebody got rid of my calluses completely," she said.

Ho said the hot water in which the fish thrive doesn't support much plant or aquatic life, so they learned to feed on whatever food sources were available -- including dead, flaking skin. They leave live skin alone because, without teeth, they can't bite it off.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/homes...ef=mpstoryview

It's a silly sounding idea, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work as a sort of dead skin remover. I do wonder how they could remove callouses without teeth.

Piscivore · 21st July 2008, 12:03 PM

I saw that in the AZ Republic too. Makes me nervous, let me tell you.

TX50 · 21st July 2008, 12:39 PM

I've heard tales from SCUBA divers who've had cleaner fish work on their
hands like this while diving coral reefs.

paximperium · 21st July 2008, 12:47 PM

Piranha...cool...oh wait...

TiaH · 21st July 2008, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

I saw that in the AZ Republic too. Makes me nervous, let me tell you.

I'm with you, Piscivore!
I don't eat them. They don't eat me.

Soapy Sam · 21st July 2008, 03:21 PM

Why would anyone want to get rid of the callus on their feet?

Piscivore · 21st July 2008, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by TiaH

I'm with you, Piscivore!
I don't eat them. They don't eat me.

Ah, but I DO eat them. A lot of them. I'm not too keen on giving them the opportunity for revenge.

TiaH · 21st July 2008, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

Ah, but I DO eat them. A lot of them. I'm not too keen on giving them the opportunity for revenge.

Has any thought been given to the origins of this treatment? Perhaps it is the fish themselves who are setting us up! Yes! That's IT! We get used to having fish nibbling on our calluses. We believe that they have our soft feet at heart. Then, when we have been lulled into complacency...chomp! There go your toes! I think we need to alert people about this dangerous threat!

GoodGuysEatPie · 21st July 2008, 04:02 PM

Weird and...gross.

~ggep~

Piscivore · 21st July 2008, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by TiaH

Has any thought been given to the origins of this treatment? Perhaps it is the fish themselves who are setting us up! Yes! That's IT! We get used to having fish nibbling on our calluses. We believe that they have our soft feet at heart. Then, when we have been lulled into complacency...chomp! There go your toes! I think we need to alert people about this dangerous threat!

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Piscivore · 21st July 2008, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by goodguyseatpie

Weird and...gross.

~ggep~

Are you talking about the OP, or me?

William Parcher · 21st July 2008, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Ho was skeptical at first about the fish, which are called garra rufa but typically known as doctor fish. They were first used in Turkey and have become popular in some Asian countries.

The fish being used at Yvonne Hair and Nails are not Garra rufa. The photo in the OP and a web news video seem to show what may be juvenile tilapia instead of the famous piscine pedicurists from Turkey.

Quote:

The fish don't do the job alone. After 15 to 30 minutes in the tank, customers get a standard pedicure, made easier by the soft skin the doctor fish leave behind.

Did you mean to say skin that was softened by soaking the feet for 15-30 minutes in warm water? Would the pedicure still be satisfactory if no baby tilapia were involved? Forget that. Put the woo in it and everyone gets happy.

Dogdoctor · 21st July 2008, 05:12 PM

I would have some concern about possible AIDS transmission.

Soapy Sam · 21st July 2008, 05:16 PM

Fish get AIDS?

GoodGuysEatPie · 21st July 2008, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

Are you talking about the OP, or me?

The OP. But you, if it makes you feel better.

~ggep~

Modified · 21st July 2008, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Soapy Sam

Why would anyone want to get rid of the callus on their feet?

Is that a serious question? For some people with dry skin, callouses can crack, bleed, and peel down to the raw flesh. Even if you have moist skin, the edges where thick callous borders thin skin can become irritated and painful.

Dogdoctor · 21st July 2008, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Soapy Sam

Fish get AIDS?

LOL not that I know of but they could be a fomite as well as the tank of water they sit in.

shadron · 21st July 2008, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by TiaH

Has any thought been given to the origins of this treatment? Perhaps it is the fish themselves who are setting us up! Yes! That's IT! We get used to having fish nibbling on our calluses. We believe that they have our soft feet at heart. Then, when we have been lulled into complacency...chomp! There go your toes! I think we need to alert people about this dangerous threat!

Teehee.

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RSLancastr · 21st July 2008, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by William Parcher

The fish being used at Yvonne Hair and Nails are not Garra rufa. The photo in the OP and a web news video seem to show what may be juvenile tilapia instead of the famous piscine pedicurists from Turkey.

Tilapia?

I wonder if the owner also owns a seafood restaurant, where they go when they become too large?

GoodGuysEatPie · 21st July 2008, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

Tilapia?

I wonder if the owner also owns a seafood restaurant, where they go when they become too large?

LOL. More weird and more gross.

~ggep~

William Parcher · 21st July 2008, 09:54 PM

Seriously, the fish at this salon are not Garra rufa. I think the owner got scammed and innocently believes that his fish are the real deal. He bought a bunch of future filets instead of genuine living pumice stones.

This is Garra rufa. It has a down-turned sucker mouth.

Here is what you get at this featured salon. It's not the same fish, and it's not even the same family. They look just like baby tilapias... because they are tilapia.

Modified · 22nd July 2008, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

Tilapia?

I wonder if the owner also owns a seafood restaurant, where they go when they become too large?

"Hey, waiter, please tell the chef that this tilapia tastes like feet."

TiaH · 22nd July 2008, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

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Welcome to the forum.

Thanks! I"m working on the warning posters right now!
If we all work together, we can save our precious dwindling resources of toes!

Mark6 · 23rd July 2008, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by TX50

I've heard tales from SCUBA divers who've had cleaner fish work on their
hands like this while diving coral reefs.

Once I saw a video of a diver who took the regulator out of his mouth, opened wide, and allowed a cleaner fish to pick at his teeth.

I wouldn't do it!

TiaH · 23rd July 2008, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mark6

Once I saw a video of a diver who took the regulator out of his mouth, opened wide, and allowed a cleaner fish to pick at his teeth.

I wouldn't do it!

And I thought the TOES were endangered.
Using a fish as a toothbrush/toothpick is a sure way for these killers to make off with your tongue! This fish conspiracy is even larger than I thought...I think we need to spend "billions of dollars" stopping this madness!

Mongrel · 24th July 2008, 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by Modified

"Hey, waiter, please tell the chef that this tilapia tastes like feet."

That'd be fine if you ordered the Sole

TjW · 24th July 2008, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by TiaH

Originally Posted by Mark6

Once I saw a video of a diver who took the regulator out of his mouth, opened wide, and allowed a cleaner fish to pick at his teeth.

I wouldn't do it!

And I thought the TOES were endangered.
Using a fish as a toothbrush/toothpick is a sure way for these killers to make off with your tongue! This fish conspiracy is even larger than I thought...I think we need to spend "billions of dollars" stopping this madness!

This may have already happened, but the people involved aren't talking.

TiaH · 27th July 2008, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by TjW

This may have already happened, but the people involved aren't talking.

Yikes!

MrSangMang · 12th August 2008, 04:58 PM

Sounds reasonable to me!

Now just to figure out ways around the $45 bucks, hehehe

I immediately thought about the maggots that eat only dead flesh, that they use to clean out bad wounds.

I wonder how good this really is though, compared to traditional pedicures.

-Fran- · 12th August 2008, 05:10 PM

I think I need some sleep -.- I read this:

Quote:

Fish pedicures are creating something of a splash in the D.C. area, where a northern Virginia spa has been offering them for the past four months.

And thought, but... but fish don't have feet

ETA:
I read about this just the other day where it said it was used to help in treatment of psoriasis patients. The magazine was from 2004 I think.

Steelmage · 12th August 2008, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Dogdoctor

LOL not that I know of but they could be a fomite as well as the tank of water they sit in.

How could fish or the water transmit the disease, I though open wounds or direct contact with blood transmits the disease.

Biscuit · 12th August 2008, 06:08 PM

This is obviously a cover up and I for one demand a full investigation.

How do I know its a cover up? These fish have no teeth, therefor the only method of removing the dead skin would be to move their mouths so quickly that it would generate enough heat to melt the flesh off. Well thats is just silly! Fish burns at around 200 degrees F while human flesh, that according to my research cooks like pork, takes more than 300 degrees F to melt.

The fishes lips would melt off before the dead skin would! The fish in those pictures clearly have lips!

Further more the owner of that spa was once in business with the Rockefellers.

Dogdoctor · 12th August 2008, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Steelmage

How could fish or the water transmit the disease, I though open wounds or direct contact with blood transmits the disease.

There are many ways that diseases are transmitted but the fish could pick up some blood/puss/scabs/other material that is infected with something. Theoretically this material may stay on their gills or in their mouth for a period of time and brought into contact with the next person they feed on. Or even just from the disease agents transferring from one person to the water then to the next person.

Marrena · 13th August 2008, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

Ah, but I DO eat them. A lot of them. I'm not too keen on giving them the opportunity for revenge.

Hmmm...mind if I ask how often you eat fish and what sort and how much? Also, I assume from your post count that you have a sensible skeptical nature, do you ever find yourself having any woo tendencies? Hobby of mine, just curious.

sanguine · 13th August 2008, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Dogdoctor

There are many ways that diseases are transmitted but the fish could pick up some blood/puss/scabs/other material that is infected with something. Theoretically this material may stay on their gills or in their mouth for a period of time and brought into contact with the next person they feed on. Or even just from the disease agents transferring from one person to the water then to the next person.

I'd worry a lot more about the routine problems with mani/pedi places -- getting fungal and other nail/skin infections through insufficiently cleaned water and materials.

And fin rot. Definitely gotta fear the fin rot.

TiaH · 13th August 2008, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by sanguine

I'd worry a lot more about the routine problems with mani/pedi places -- getting fungal and other nail/skin infections through insufficiently cleaned water and materials.

And fin rot. Definitely gotta fear the fin rot.

Oh CRAP! Another thing to worry about...fin rot on my feet!

Hawthorne · 15th August 2008, 05:02 AM

And to think, I've spent a good portion of my life trying to avoid being eaten and gnawed on by animals...guess I'm not the hip cat I thought I was.

21st July 2008, 12:00 PM	#1
quixotecoyote Howling to glory I go Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 9,621	Wacky treatment looks legit (fish) Quote: Fish pedicures are creating something of a splash in the D.C. area, where a northern Virginia spa has been offering them for the past four months. ... razors have fallen out of favor with state regulators because of concerns about whether they're sanitary. "I'd been an athlete all my life, so I've always had calluses on my feet. This was the first time somebody got rid of my calluses completely," she said. Ho said the hot water in which the fish thrive doesn't support much plant or aquatic life, so they learned to feed on whatever food sources were available -- including dead, flaking skin. They leave live skin alone because, without teeth, they can't bite it off. http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/homes...ef=mpstoryview It's a silly sounding idea, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work as a sort of dead skin remover. I do wonder how they could remove callouses without teeth.
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21st July 2008, 12:03 PM	#2
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,454	I saw that in the AZ Republic too. Makes me nervous, let me tell you.
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21st July 2008, 12:39 PM	#3
TX50 Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,551	I've heard tales from SCUBA divers who've had cleaner fish work on their hands like this while diving coral reefs.
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21st July 2008, 12:47 PM	#4
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21st July 2008, 03:21 PM	#6
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,885	Why would anyone want to get rid of the callus on their feet?
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21st July 2008, 03:19 PM	#5
TiaH Scholar Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fox River Grove, IL Posts: 93	Originally Posted by Piscivore I saw that in the AZ Republic too. Makes me nervous, let me tell you. I'm with you, Piscivore! I don't eat them. They don't eat me.

21st July 2008, 03:28 PM	#7
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,454	Originally Posted by TiaH I'm with you, Piscivore! I don't eat them. They don't eat me. Ah, but I DO eat them. A lot of them. I'm not too keen on giving them the opportunity for revenge.
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21st July 2008, 03:53 PM	#8
TiaH Scholar Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fox River Grove, IL Posts: 93	Originally Posted by Piscivore Ah, but I DO eat them. A lot of them. I'm not too keen on giving them the opportunity for revenge. Has any thought been given to the origins of this treatment? Perhaps it is the fish themselves who are setting us up! Yes! That's IT! We get used to having fish nibbling on our calluses. We believe that they have our soft feet at heart. Then, when we have been lulled into complacency...chomp! There go your toes! I think we need to alert people about this dangerous threat!

21st July 2008, 04:02 PM	#9
GoodGuysEatPie Constructive Interference Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Westchester, New York Posts: 426	Weird and...gross. ~ggep~
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21st July 2008, 04:05 PM	#10
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,454	Originally Posted by TiaH Has any thought been given to the origins of this treatment? Perhaps it is the fish themselves who are setting us up! Yes! That's IT! We get used to having fish nibbling on our calluses. We believe that they have our soft feet at heart. Then, when we have been lulled into complacency...chomp! There go your toes! I think we need to alert people about this dangerous threat! I LIKE you! Welcome to the forum.
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21st July 2008, 04:18 PM	#11
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,454	Originally Posted by goodguyseatpie Weird and...gross. ~ggep~ Are you talking about the OP, or me?
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21st July 2008, 04:48 PM	#12
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	Quote: Ho was skeptical at first about the fish, which are called garra rufa but typically known as doctor fish. They were first used in Turkey and have become popular in some Asian countries. The fish being used at Yvonne Hair and Nails are not Garra rufa. The photo in the OP and a web news video seem to show what may be juvenile tilapia instead of the famous piscine pedicurists from Turkey. Quote: The fish don't do the job alone. After 15 to 30 minutes in the tank, customers get a standard pedicure, made easier by the soft skin the doctor fish leave behind. Did you mean to say skin that was softened by soaking the feet for 15-30 minutes in warm water? Would the pedicure still be satisfactory if no baby tilapia were involved? Forget that. Put the woo in it and everyone gets happy.
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21st July 2008, 05:12 PM	#13
Dogdoctor Canis Doctorius Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pacific Ocean Posts: 14,275	I would have some concern about possible AIDS transmission.
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21st July 2008, 05:16 PM	#14
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21st July 2008, 06:43 PM	#15
GoodGuysEatPie Constructive Interference Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Westchester, New York Posts: 426	Originally Posted by Piscivore Are you talking about the OP, or me? The OP. But you, if it makes you feel better. ~ggep~
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21st July 2008, 07:48 PM	#16
Modified Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SW Florida Posts: 4,062	Originally Posted by Soapy Sam Why would anyone want to get rid of the callus on their feet? Is that a serious question? For some people with dry skin, callouses can crack, bleed, and peel down to the raw flesh. Even if you have moist skin, the edges where thick callous borders thin skin can become irritated and painful.

21st July 2008, 08:30 PM	#17
Dogdoctor Canis Doctorius Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pacific Ocean Posts: 14,275	Originally Posted by Soapy Sam Fish get AIDS? LOL not that I know of but they could be a fomite as well as the tank of water they sit in.
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21st July 2008, 08:42 PM	#19
RSLancastr www.StopSylvia.com Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 15,528	Originally Posted by William Parcher The fish being used at Yvonne Hair and Nails are not Garra rufa. The photo in the OP and a web news video seem to show what may be juvenile tilapia instead of the famous piscine pedicurists from Turkey. Tilapia? I wonder if the owner also owns a seafood restaurant, where they go when they become too large?
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21st July 2008, 09:15 PM	#20
GoodGuysEatPie Constructive Interference Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Westchester, New York Posts: 426	Originally Posted by RSLancastr Tilapia? I wonder if the owner also owns a seafood restaurant, where they go when they become too large? LOL. More weird and more gross. ~ggep~
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21st July 2008, 09:54 PM	#21
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	Seriously, the fish at this salon are not Garra rufa. I think the owner got scammed and innocently believes that his fish are the real deal. He bought a bunch of future filets instead of genuine living pumice stones. This is Garra rufa. It has a down-turned sucker mouth. Here is what you get at this featured salon. It's not the same fish, and it's not even the same family. They look just like baby tilapias... because they are tilapia.
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22nd July 2008, 01:31 PM	#22
Modified Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SW Florida Posts: 4,062	Originally Posted by RSLancastr Tilapia? I wonder if the owner also owns a seafood restaurant, where they go when they become too large? "Hey, waiter, please tell the chef that this tilapia tastes like feet."

22nd July 2008, 04:34 PM	#23
TiaH Scholar Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fox River Grove, IL Posts: 93	Originally Posted by Piscivore I LIKE you! Welcome to the forum. Thanks! I"m working on the warning posters right now! If we all work together, we can save our precious dwindling resources of toes!

23rd July 2008, 08:59 AM	#24
Mark6 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,173	Originally Posted by TX50 I've heard tales from SCUBA divers who've had cleaner fish work on their hands like this while diving coral reefs. Once I saw a video of a diver who took the regulator out of his mouth, opened wide, and allowed a cleaner fish to pick at his teeth. I wouldn't do it!
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23rd July 2008, 03:48 PM	#25
TiaH Scholar Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fox River Grove, IL Posts: 93	Originally Posted by Mark6 Once I saw a video of a diver who took the regulator out of his mouth, opened wide, and allowed a cleaner fish to pick at his teeth. I wouldn't do it! And I thought the TOES were endangered. Using a fish as a toothbrush/toothpick is a sure way for these killers to make off with your tongue! This fish conspiracy is even larger than I thought...I think we need to spend "billions of dollars" stopping this madness!

24th July 2008, 03:38 AM	#26
Mongrel Begging for Scraps Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: 20 minutes in the future Posts: 1,640	Originally Posted by Modified "Hey, waiter, please tell the chef that this tilapia tastes like feet." That'd be fine if you ordered the Sole
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24th July 2008, 07:39 PM	#27
TjW Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: up in the air Posts: 9,969	Originally Posted by TiaH Originally Posted by Mark6 Once I saw a video of a diver who took the regulator out of his mouth, opened wide, and allowed a cleaner fish to pick at his teeth. I wouldn't do it! And I thought the TOES were endangered. Using a fish as a toothbrush/toothpick is a sure way for these killers to make off with your tongue! This fish conspiracy is even larger than I thought...I think we need to spend "billions of dollars" stopping this madness! This may have already happened, but the people involved aren't talking.
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27th July 2008, 01:47 PM	#28
TiaH Scholar Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fox River Grove, IL Posts: 93	Originally Posted by TjW This may have already happened, but the people involved aren't talking. Yikes!

12th August 2008, 04:58 PM	#29
MrSangMang New Blood Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 12	Sounds reasonable to me! Now just to figure out ways around the $45 bucks, hehehe I immediately thought about the maggots that eat only dead flesh, that they use to clean out bad wounds. I wonder how good this really is though, compared to traditional pedicures.
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12th August 2008, 05:10 PM	#30
-Fran- Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,581	I think I need some sleep -.- I read this: Quote: Fish pedicures are creating something of a splash in the D.C. area, where a northern Virginia spa has been offering them for the past four months. And thought, but... but fish don't have feet ETA: I read about this just the other day where it said it was used to help in treatment of psoriasis patients. The magazine was from 2004 I think.
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12th August 2008, 05:40 PM	#31
Steelmage Muse Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 630	Originally Posted by Dogdoctor LOL not that I know of but they could be a fomite as well as the tank of water they sit in. How could fish or the water transmit the disease, I though open wounds or direct contact with blood transmits the disease.

12th August 2008, 06:08 PM	#32
Biscuit Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,764	This is obviously a cover up and I for one demand a full investigation. How do I know its a cover up? These fish have no teeth, therefor the only method of removing the dead skin would be to move their mouths so quickly that it would generate enough heat to melt the flesh off. Well thats is just silly! Fish burns at around 200 degrees F while human flesh, that according to my research cooks like pork, takes more than 300 degrees F to melt. The fishes lips would melt off before the dead skin would! The fish in those pictures clearly have lips! Further more the owner of that spa was once in business with the Rockefellers.
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12th August 2008, 06:10 PM	#33
Dogdoctor Canis Doctorius Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pacific Ocean Posts: 14,275	Originally Posted by Steelmage How could fish or the water transmit the disease, I though open wounds or direct contact with blood transmits the disease. There are many ways that diseases are transmitted but the fish could pick up some blood/puss/scabs/other material that is infected with something. Theoretically this material may stay on their gills or in their mouth for a period of time and brought into contact with the next person they feed on. Or even just from the disease agents transferring from one person to the water then to the next person.
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13th August 2008, 09:46 AM	#34
Marrena Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 321	Originally Posted by Piscivore Ah, but I DO eat them. A lot of them. I'm not too keen on giving them the opportunity for revenge. Hmmm...mind if I ask how often you eat fish and what sort and how much? Also, I assume from your post count that you have a sensible skeptical nature, do you ever find yourself having any woo tendencies? Hobby of mine, just curious.
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13th August 2008, 03:08 PM	#35
sanguine Thinker Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 206	Originally Posted by Dogdoctor There are many ways that diseases are transmitted but the fish could pick up some blood/puss/scabs/other material that is infected with something. Theoretically this material may stay on their gills or in their mouth for a period of time and brought into contact with the next person they feed on. Or even just from the disease agents transferring from one person to the water then to the next person. I'd worry a lot more about the routine problems with mani/pedi places -- getting fungal and other nail/skin infections through insufficiently cleaned water and materials. And fin rot. Definitely gotta fear the fin rot.
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13th August 2008, 03:25 PM	#36
TiaH Scholar Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fox River Grove, IL Posts: 93	Originally Posted by sanguine I'd worry a lot more about the routine problems with mani/pedi places -- getting fungal and other nail/skin infections through insufficiently cleaned water and materials. And fin rot. Definitely gotta fear the fin rot. Oh CRAP! Another thing to worry about...fin rot on my feet!