the sunrise of 2 new sun at the sky of earth

cohen avshalom · 24th July 2008, 06:50 AM

the sunrise of 2 new sun at the sky of earth

japan and china choose the symble of the sun for represent there country.
and the competition between those 2 country ,is like struggle between 2 sun for the dominance at the sky map of the earth.
this is also like a fight between 2 approach who the market will be function.
the first:

1. the west country approcah-that u.s.a and west europe are representative this approach-this is also the japan approach form the 50th

2.and the second is the china approach-that showing great/impressive accomplishment,even unprecedented.

this competition is much more today since the new china accomplishment ,that are making us to ask ..
whitch approach is better,or whitch sun will dominate the sky line of earth.

cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa
icarus5-universe at time minus

mrbaracuda · 24th July 2008, 07:00 AM

Uh. Probably China just because of their manpower. If I understood your question.
What a strange post.

Jimbo07 · 24th July 2008, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by mrbaracuda

If I understood your question.
What a strange post.

I think there's a language barrier here, combined with a painful metaphor.

...

China and India represent growing economies with huge potential markets and lower labour costs. However, don't discount the western economies yet.

cohen avshalom · 24th July 2008, 07:37 AM

sorry i try to do this thread as a pole question,but even that i mark at yes at the pole button,the pole box didnt open,so this got to regular post(without the pole)
and also i had probleam wit the internet connection so i could not respond for before ..

cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa
icarus5-universe at time minus
www.icarus5.com

Gurdur · 24th July 2008, 08:26 AM

Somebody is obviously worse off than I am.

epeos76 · 24th July 2008, 08:30 AM

Could you possibly identify some of the key features that you think: (1) distinguish the chinese approach from the western approach; and (2) are related to China's success?

I think China has some unusual and valuable cultural capital, but I don't think its advantages are necessarily at war with western ideals like free speech, limitations on government power, an independent judiciary, or private enterprise, even if China ends up striking a different balance than the US.

cohen avshalom · 24th July 2008, 08:39 AM

the internet connection is so slow now,it make me crazy,and this it is alway cut oneself off from the internet....
well at japan this could not happen(they are serving with 100 MB),at israel this is much less lower(i have 2.5 MB),but now this is so busy at the international line-so you could slide only very slow....

i just like to speak a bout this issue,after i look a new progream at the t.v,that are talking a bout who the world is so changing,and who mew power nation are rising ,after the tradition power country are force one's way in.
and the new develope at big city like city at china.

cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa
icarus5-universe at time minus
www.icarus5.com

cohen avshalom · 24th July 2008, 08:47 AM

epeos76..
china is the alternative super power nation to the u.s.a,and she is compete the u.s.a at the position,for the nation that will lead the world.
you can see the effort she is done to be such nation by tying connection with country that not like to see u.s.a as the leading country of the world .
such as:iran,Venezuela,country at africa,and were it could do that..

cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa
icarus5

epeos76 · 24th July 2008, 10:21 AM

Oh, Ok. I misunderstood your earlier post, then.

Loss Leader · 24th July 2008, 10:30 AM

Outstanding gibberish. Is there an award for incomprehensibility or do we just merkin flar giddip salbop?

TragicMonkey · 24th July 2008, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Loss Leader

Outstanding gibberish. Is there an award for incomprehensibility or do we just merkin flar giddip salbop?

For deftly hand superior going forward an enthusiasm, rotate non-dangerously inform. Aptitude certain, generously friendship ensue!

cohen avshalom · 24th July 2008, 02:12 PM

well...???
you dont like this thread ??

icarus5

kerikiwi · 24th July 2008, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by epeos76

Oh, Ok. I misunderstood your earlier post, then.

Really?

drkitten · 24th July 2008, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by cohen avshalom

well...???
you dont like this thread ??

Well, aside from the fact that it's oversimplistic, jingoistic, essentialistic, and burdened by a really really bad metaphor.... no.

It's a silly idea hiding behind bad writing.

Macoy · 24th July 2008, 06:04 PM

Anyway, China's headlong advance using massive hydroelectric power schemes and coal power stations is already causing massive problems.

Gate2501 · 24th July 2008, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by cohen avshalom

well...???
you dont like this thread ??

icarus5

I like this thread a lot because where is has been is what it might become when I have not seen these words before.

Sometimes we all come to a place when it has not been for us to decide if we will gather our can and follow it into the night.

Just like China.

Wolfman · 24th July 2008, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by cohen avshalom

the sunrise of 2 new sun at the sky of earth

japan and china choose the symble of the sun for represent there country.

Okay, putting aside the language problems, there's a far more fundamental problem here. Yes, Japan uses the sun as a symbol for their country. Its on their flag, etc. But China doesn't. Their flag doesn't have a sun. Nor is the sun commonly used in any of the symbology. Dragons, yes. Suns, no.

Gagglegnash · 24th July 2008, 07:14 PM

Hi

Originally Posted by cohen avshalom

the sunrise of 2 new sun at the sky of earth

japan and china choose the symble of the sun for represent there country.
and the competition between those 2 country ,is like struggle between 2 sun for the dominance at the sky map of the earth.
... clip ...

Uhhh... ok...

Japan: Nihon/Nippon - 日本 - "Sun Root," so, "Rising Sun.

China: Chunguo - 中國 - "Middle Kingdom," so... errr... "Middle Kingdom."

No, "sun," in the name for China, right?

Wolfman · 24th July 2008, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Gagglegnash

Japan: Nihon/Nippon - 日本 - "Sun Root," so, "Rising Sun.

China: Chunguo - 中國 - "Middle Kingdom," so... errr... "Middle Kingdom."

No, "sun," in the name for China, right?

No "sun" in the name; no "sun" in the flag; in fact, the Chinese very rarely use the sun in anything related to their country specifically because it reminds them of Japan (and they hate the Japenese). As I said above...the initial OP seems to be rather lacking in understanding of the subject matter.

Solus · 24th July 2008, 07:39 PM

Why is it that gibberish posts always lack basic grammar? Just once I'd like to find a similar thread where the writer is at least aware of capitalization. As already noted China does not even have a sun on its flag.

drkitten · 25th July 2008, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Solus

Why is it that gibberish posts always lack basic grammar?

Be fair; I suspect his English is much better than your Hebrew.

If someone's English is only so-so, then anything that they write is going to verge on gibberish simply because they lack the skills to express themselves fluently. But more than that; if your English isn't good, that's going to cut seriously into your abilities as a scholar, since most scholarship that happens today happens in English. Even on the Web, most of the best newspapers and magazines are in English rather than any other single language. (Yes, I know Le Monde is a good newspaper, arguably the newspaper-of-record in the French language, but it's only one. Compare that to The Times (London), The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, and The Globe and Mail.)

ConspiRaider · 25th July 2008, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by drkitten

Be fair; I suspect his English is much better than your Hebrew.

If someone's English is only so-so, then anything that they write is going to verge on gibberish simply because they lack the skills to express themselves fluently. But more than that; if your English isn't good, that's going to cut seriously into your abilities as a scholar, since most scholarship that happens today happens in English. Even on the Web, most of the best newspapers and magazines are in English rather than any other single language. (Yes, I know Le Monde is a good newspaper, arguably the newspaper-of-record in the French language, but it's only one. Compare that to The Times (London), The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, and The Globe and Mail.)

The "best" newspapers? What? Your complete lack of objectivity is showing. The Times of London and the Wall Street Journal are both owned by the gluttonous, power-mad, multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch. What amount of journalistic integrity can be expected from either of the aforementioned rags? I'd say exactly none, in round numbers. And you can also forget about that same integrity from the NY Times or WaHoPo.

dudalb · 25th July 2008, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by ConspiRaider

The "best" newspapers? What? Your complete lack of objectivity is showing. The Times of London and the Wall Street Journal are both owned by the gluttonous, power-mad, multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch. What amount of journalistic integrity can be expected from either of the aforementioned rags? I'd say exactly none, in round numbers. And you can also forget about that same integrity from the NY Times or WaHoPo.

Meaning none of the above papers have enough of a liberal bias for you.

ConspiRaider · 25th July 2008, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Meaning none of the above papers have enough of a liberal bias for you.

Meaning you haven't a clue as to what you are talking about.

Meaning that ascribing an adjective such as "best" to a newspaper implies that the newspaper has NO DISCERNIBLE bias in its coverage. Even the opinion / editorial page, over time, should reflect such a diversity of thought that a political label wouldn't stick.

But when you arrogantly chortle over the fact, as mega-billionaire right-winger Rupert Murdoch did on a television interview, that his Fox News station was involved in promoting the invasion of Iraq (because that's what HE wanted); and when you, as right-winger Rupert Murdoch, bask in the vast glut of media and corporate power that he enjoys from all his holdings (including the Wall Street Journal, the Times of London, NY Post, and an alarming number of other media ventures): Then the price for that overwhelming right-wing bias imposed by your owned media instruments is that none of them can ever be described as "best", by any reasonable person. A person, that is, who understands just a smidgen of concepts such as impartiality, objectivity, truth, fact, journalistic integrity and so forth.

What I don't need is a newspaper with a right-wing bias, a liberal bias or any kind of bias. I'll do the biases myself, thank you.

WildCat · 25th July 2008, 06:25 PM

You forgot Arizona!

drkitten · 25th July 2008, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by ConspiRaider

The "best" newspapers? What? Your complete lack of objectivity is showing. The Times of London and the Wall Street Journal are both owned by the gluttonous, power-mad, multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch. What amount of journalistic integrity can be expected from either of the aforementioned rags? I'd say exactly none, in round numbers. And you can also forget about that same integrity from the NY Times or WaHoPo.

The Pulitzer committee has a strong tendency to disagree with you.

I know who I give more credence to.

Yes, all newspapers are biased. If you insist that no newspaper with bias can be "best," then no newspaper in the world is best. But the quality of journalism is substantially better than average in the five or so English-newspapers that I mentioned; their coverage is more complete (even when biased), their stable of reporters is generally more comprehensive and almost certainly better writers, and in general, their editorial arguments, even when obviously slanted, are typically better thought out and better expressed.

If you really think there's no difference in journalistic integrity or quality between the New York Times and Fox News,.... well, all I can suggest is that you might enjoy visiting the real world from time to time.

TragicMonkey · 25th July 2008, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

You forgot Arizona!

And Uruguay, which not only has a sun on its flag, but the sun has a weird little face on it.

shemp · 25th July 2008, 07:42 PM

Looks like Pillory has moved to Israel.

ConspiRaider · 25th July 2008, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by drkitten

The Pulitzer committee has a strong tendency to disagree with you.

I know who I give more credence to.

Yes, all newspapers are biased. If you insist that no newspaper with bias can be "best," then no newspaper in the world is best. But the quality of journalism is substantially better than average in the five or so English-newspapers that I mentioned; their coverage is more complete (even when biased), their stable of reporters is generally more comprehensive and almost certainly better writers, and in general, their editorial arguments, even when obviously slanted, are typically better thought out and better expressed.

If you really think there's no difference in journalistic integrity or quality between the New York Times and Fox News,.... well, all I can suggest is that you might enjoy visiting the real world from time to time.

The NYT has journalistic integrity??? Don't make me laugh, DK. Hey, I read awhile ago that Rupie baby has his eye on acquiring that rag too. Wouldn't make a difference, not really. I think Rupie baby should own everything, actually. He knows best - how we should think.

And I'll betcha $105,000 that I'm more worldly than are you.

You're never going to get a completely bias-free newspaper but you can certainly aim at it. I dunno. I delivered newspapers as a kid. Took a journalism class in collitch. Did rewrites from AP and UPI wire stories. Did many a newscast during my radio broadcasting days. I remember delivering papers, and the story every day, it seemed, was the unfolding - and unravelling - Watergate conspiracy.

That's how you know that newspapers have changed, dramatically and for the worse, over the last few decades. Look at the huge scandals and deceptions that ensued to get the USA and Britain fully committed to the Iraq invasion. Such as the Downing Street Memo. You think the big papers didn't know what was actually happening? Ha! They knew. They soft-peddled it. They helped enable the deceptions. And you don't get to be known as "best" when you do that, as an instrument of the fourth estate. Not in my book. The fourth estate is NOT supposed to be beholden to the government or Big Corporate, correct? Quite the contrary. But, kinda hard to uphold that ideal when the fourth estate is OWNED by Big Corporate. Owned by folks like your friend Murdoch. Wait - he's a megabillionaire. Nothing "folksy" about that.

RandFan · 25th July 2008, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by cohen avshalom

1. the west country approcah-that u.s.a and west europe are representative this approach-this is also the japan approach form the 50th

2.and the second is the china approach-that showing great/impressive accomplishment,even unprecedented.

China is not there yet but they will very likely be a force to contend with in the not too distant future. The trend is hard to deny.

In any event, it's a good question but I suspect that as China gets more and more freedom that they will become more and more like the West with more Democracy and capitalism.

Chaos · 26th July 2008, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by drkitten

Be fair; I suspect his English is much better than your Hebrew.

But, to be fair, Solus doesn´t (to my knowledge) post Hebrew gibberish on a Hebrew language board and expects people to take him serious for that.

Quote:

If someone's English is only so-so, then anything that they write is going to verge on gibberish simply because they lack the skills to express themselves fluently. But more than that; if your English isn't good, that's going to cut seriously into your abilities as a scholar, since most scholarship that happens today happens in English. Even on the Web, most of the best newspapers and magazines are in English rather than any other single language. (Yes, I know Le Monde is a good newspaper, arguably the newspaper-of-record in the French language, but it's only one. Compare that to The Times (London), The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, and The Globe and Mail.)

Agreed. The generation of scholars (and managers and statesmen, for that matter) that could get away with not understanding English is dying out... or at least going into retirement.

drkitten · 26th July 2008, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by ConspiRaider

I delivered newspapers as a kid.

And evidently still do.

Give your Mom my love when you come upstairs for breakfast.

Father Dagon · 26th July 2008, 09:53 AM

They are both wrong. France is the Sun and Sweden is the Northern Star. The Sun might be brighter, but the Northern Star never sets. (Link.)

RandFan · 26th July 2008, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by Chaos

But, to be fair, Solus doesn´t (to my knowledge) post Hebrew gibberish on a Hebrew language board and expects people to take him serious for that.

I'm not sure why people are saying this is gibberish. The guy is trying, as far as I can tell, to have a discussion. He's having difficulty but it's clear enough to understand.

Japan and China, competitors from way back with significant similarities between them, are both capable of challenging Americas dominance. Which is like to do so?

drkitten · 26th July 2008, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by RandFan

Japan and China, competitors from way back with significant similarities between them, are both capable of challenging Americas dominance. Which is like to do so?

That's not how I read it, I'm afraid. I think he's trying to re-fight the Cold War; he's not asking about Japan vs. the US, but about "us" vs. "them," where "they" are defined by the "eastern approach" and "we" (which includes Japan) are defined by the "western approach."

That's why I criticized his idea as simplistic and essentialist; anyone who can lump the entire "east" together as a monolithic and unchanging entity hasn't looked very closely at it.

Japan, in particular, was doing quite well at blending traditional Japanese business practices with American-style capitalist innovation in the 1980s, until the wheels came off and they went into their 30 year hangover. China was actively going backwards on the world stage during the Cultural Revolution until they abandoned that and started with a new, non-traditional economic approach.

If I had to bet who will kick the USA's ass, Japan or China, my bet would be India. Better access to foreign currency and culture, and they've manged to create a substantial amount of post-manufacturing economy to bring in capital....

paximperium · 26th July 2008, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by drkitten

That's not how I read it, I'm afraid. I think he's trying to re-fight the Cold War; he's not asking about Japan vs. the US, but about "us" vs. "them," where "they" are defined by the "eastern approach" and "we" (which includes Japan) are defined by the "western approach."

That's why I criticized his idea as simplistic and essentialist; anyone who can lump the entire "east" together as a monolithic and unchanging entity hasn't looked very closely at it.

Japan, in particular, was doing quite well at blending traditional Japanese business practices with American-style capitalist innovation in the 1980s, until the wheels came off and they went into their 30 year hangover. China was actively going backwards on the world stage during the Cultural Revolution until they abandoned that and started with a new, non-traditional economic approach.

If I had to bet who will kick the USA's ass, Japan or China, my bet would be India. Better access to foreign currency and culture, and they've manged to create a substantial amount of post-manufacturing economy to bring in capital....

Just to get back on track. The US economy is about to go through some very hard times, not just because of the current housing market but because of the retiring of the baby boomer generation en mass from 2012-2020 which will undoubtedly lead to major problems to our inflation and healthcare problems. We continue to survive because of immigration.

Now, one of the major issues with why Japan's economy is so sluggish (besides the very unwieldy corporate and banking system) is exactly because of the aging of their population, in fact their population is shrinking. They will not become dominant in any way for decades to come until their aging population dies off or they actually allow more immigration into their country.

China is also a very export based economy, it the US and European economy slows, China will fall into recession as well. China will also be hit by its massive "retiring" age in 2020-2030 and due to their "one child policy", their population may even start to shrink in a few decades...I have little doubt the Chinese Government is aware of this. Imagine...in a few decades they will have hundreds of millions of retirees clogging their healthcare system. While I see alot of power in China, I see a major obstacle coming to hit them in the head.

Paximperium's Pop Global Economy 101

RandFan · 26th July 2008, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by drkitten

That's not how I read it, I'm afraid. I think he's trying to re-fight the Cold War; he's not asking about Japan vs. the US, but about "us" vs. "them," where "they" are defined by the "eastern approach" and "we" (which includes Japan) are defined by the "western approach."

That's why I criticized his idea as simplistic and essentialist; anyone who can lump the entire "east" together as a monolithic and unchanging entity hasn't looked very closely at it.

Japan, in particular, was doing quite well at blending traditional Japanese business practices with American-style capitalist innovation in the 1980s, until the wheels came off and they went into their 30 year hangover. China was actively going backwards on the world stage during the Cultural Revolution until they abandoned that and started with a new, non-traditional economic approach.

If I had to bet who will kick the USA's ass, Japan or China, my bet would be India. Better access to foreign currency and culture, and they've manged to create a substantial amount of post-manufacturing economy to bring in capital....

I think it is likely that something is being lost in translation. However he clearly says that Japans approach is the same as the West's and he has a point. Japan adopted a western form of government and economics though they didn't really have a choice in the matter.

Otherwise, I agree largely with your post. Though I would not count China out at all. Like I said, they are not there yet but they have had what the Soviets didn't have, unrestrained capitalism in part of their empire.

Solus · 26th July 2008, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by drkitten

Be fair; I suspect his English is much better than your Hebrew.

האמיצים אינם טועמים את טעם המוות אלא פע אחת. Remember, it's best never to assume. Just as I can safely assume no one will be able to translate that sentence.

To make this thread more interesting, why must it be an "east" vs "west" conflict? An good scenario for wargames is one of China vs Russia in war over Siberian resources. Russia and China have never been great neighbors, if that's not enough there is always overpopulated India nearby. China has enough room for conflict with its own neighbors.

The Central Scrutinizer · 26th July 2008, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by cohen avshalom

sorry i try to do this thread as a pole question,but even that i mark at yes at the pole button,the pole box didnt open,so this got to regular post(without the pole)
and also i had probleam wit the internet connection so i could not respond for before ..

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www.icarus5.com

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cohen avshalom Scholar Join Date: May 2007 Location: isreal Posts: 84	the sunrise of 2 new sun at the sky of earth the sunrise of 2 new sun at the sky of earth japan and china choose the symble of the sun for represent there country. and the competition between those 2 country ,is like struggle between 2 sun for the dominance at the sky map of the earth. this is also like a fight between 2 approach who the market will be function. the first: 1. the west country approcah-that u.s.a and west europe are representative this approach-this is also the japan approach form the 50th 2.and the second is the china approach-that showing great/impressive accomplishment,even unprecedented. this competition is much more today since the new china accomplishment ,that are making us to ask .. whitch approach is better,or whitch sun will dominate the sky line of earth. cohen avshalom charly israel/haifa icarus5-universe at time minus

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Jimbo07 Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,419	Originally Posted by mrbaracuda If I understood your question. What a strange post. I think there's a language barrier here, combined with a painful metaphor. ... China and India represent growing economies with huge potential markets and lower labour costs. However, don't discount the western economies yet.
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epeos76 Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 301	Could you possibly identify some of the key features that you think: (1) distinguish the chinese approach from the western approach; and (2) are related to China's success? I think China has some unusual and valuable cultural capital, but I don't think its advantages are necessarily at war with western ideals like free speech, limitations on government power, an independent judiciary, or private enterprise, even if China ends up striking a different balance than the US.
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mrbaracuda Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,799	Uh. Probably China just because of their manpower. If I understood your question. What a strange post.

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cohen avshalom Scholar Join Date: May 2007 Location: isreal Posts: 84	the internet connection is so slow now,it make me crazy the internet connection is so slow now,it make me crazy,and this it is alway cut oneself off from the internet.... well at japan this could not happen(they are serving with 100 MB),at israel this is much less lower(i have 2.5 MB),but now this is so busy at the international line-so you could slide only very slow.... i just like to speak a bout this issue,after i look a new progream at the t.v,that are talking a bout who the world is so changing,and who mew power nation are rising ,after the tradition power country are force one's way in. and the new develope at big city like city at china. cohen avshalom charly israel/haifa icarus5-universe at time minus www.icarus5.com

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cohen avshalom Scholar Join Date: May 2007 Location: isreal Posts: 84	epeos76 epeos76.. china is the alternative super power nation to the u.s.a,and she is compete the u.s.a at the position,for the nation that will lead the world. you can see the effort she is done to be such nation by tying connection with country that not like to see u.s.a as the leading country of the world . such as:iran,Venezuela,country at africa,and were it could do that.. cohen avshalom charly israel/haifa icarus5

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cohen avshalom Scholar Join Date: May 2007 Location: isreal Posts: 84	wow well...??? you dont like this thread ?? icarus5

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kerikiwi Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bay of Islands NZ Posts: 5,847	Originally Posted by epeos76 Oh, Ok. I misunderstood your earlier post, then. Really?

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drkitten Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wits' End Posts: 21,647	Originally Posted by cohen avshalom well...??? you dont like this thread ?? Well, aside from the fact that it's oversimplistic, jingoistic, essentialistic, and burdened by a really really bad metaphor.... no. It's a silly idea hiding behind bad writing.

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Gate2501 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,377	Originally Posted by cohen avshalom well...??? you dont like this thread ?? icarus5 I like this thread a lot because where is has been is what it might become when I have not seen these words before. Sometimes we all come to a place when it has not been for us to decide if we will gather our can and follow it into the night. Just like China.

24th July 2008, 06:37 PM	#17
Wolfman Chief Solipsistic Autosycophant Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Dongguan, China Posts: 11,811	Originally Posted by cohen avshalom the sunrise of 2 new sun at the sky of earth japan and china choose the symble of the sun for represent there country. Okay, putting aside the language problems, there's a far more fundamental problem here. Yes, Japan uses the sun as a symbol for their country. Its on their flag, etc. But China doesn't. Their flag doesn't have a sun. Nor is the sun commonly used in any of the symbology. Dragons, yes. Suns, no.
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24th July 2008, 07:14 PM	#18
Gagglegnash Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,447	Hi Originally Posted by cohen avshalom the sunrise of 2 new sun at the sky of earth japan and china choose the symble of the sun for represent there country. and the competition between those 2 country ,is like struggle between 2 sun for the dominance at the sky map of the earth. ... clip ... Uhhh... ok... Japan: Nihon/Nippon - 日本 - "Sun Root," so, "Rising Sun. China: Chunguo - 中國 - "Middle Kingdom," so... errr... "Middle Kingdom." No, "sun," in the name for China, right?
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24th July 2008, 07:20 PM	#19
Wolfman Chief Solipsistic Autosycophant Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Dongguan, China Posts: 11,811	Originally Posted by Gagglegnash Japan: Nihon/Nippon - 日本 - "Sun Root," so, "Rising Sun. China: Chunguo - 中國 - "Middle Kingdom," so... errr... "Middle Kingdom." No, "sun," in the name for China, right? No "sun" in the name; no "sun" in the flag; in fact, the Chinese very rarely use the sun in anything related to their country specifically because it reminds them of Japan (and they hate the Japenese). As I said above...the initial OP seems to be rather lacking in understanding of the subject matter.
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24th July 2008, 07:39 PM	#20
Solus Tinkering with my brain Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: L.A. area Posts: 1,723	Why is it that gibberish posts always lack basic grammar? Just once I'd like to find a similar thread where the writer is at least aware of capitalization. As already noted China does not even have a sun on its flag.

25th July 2008, 08:28 AM	#21
drkitten Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wits' End Posts: 21,647	Originally Posted by Solus Why is it that gibberish posts always lack basic grammar? Be fair; I suspect his English is much better than your Hebrew. If someone's English is only so-so, then anything that they write is going to verge on gibberish simply because they lack the skills to express themselves fluently. But more than that; if your English isn't good, that's going to cut seriously into your abilities as a scholar, since most scholarship that happens today happens in English. Even on the Web, most of the best newspapers and magazines are in English rather than any other single language. (Yes, I know Le Monde is a good newspaper, arguably the newspaper-of-record in the French language, but it's only one. Compare that to The Times (London), The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, and The Globe and Mail.)

25th July 2008, 08:58 AM	#22
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	Originally Posted by drkitten Be fair; I suspect his English is much better than your Hebrew. If someone's English is only so-so, then anything that they write is going to verge on gibberish simply because they lack the skills to express themselves fluently. But more than that; if your English isn't good, that's going to cut seriously into your abilities as a scholar, since most scholarship that happens today happens in English. Even on the Web, most of the best newspapers and magazines are in English rather than any other single language. (Yes, I know Le Monde is a good newspaper, arguably the newspaper-of-record in the French language, but it's only one. Compare that to The Times (London), The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, and The Globe and Mail.) The "best" newspapers? What? Your complete lack of objectivity is showing. The Times of London and the Wall Street Journal are both owned by the gluttonous, power-mad, multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch. What amount of journalistic integrity can be expected from either of the aforementioned rags? I'd say exactly none, in round numbers. And you can also forget about that same integrity from the NY Times or WaHoPo.

25th July 2008, 05:37 PM	#23
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,848	Originally Posted by ConspiRaider The "best" newspapers? What? Your complete lack of objectivity is showing. The Times of London and the Wall Street Journal are both owned by the gluttonous, power-mad, multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch. What amount of journalistic integrity can be expected from either of the aforementioned rags? I'd say exactly none, in round numbers. And you can also forget about that same integrity from the NY Times or WaHoPo. Meaning none of the above papers have enough of a liberal bias for you.

25th July 2008, 06:07 PM	#24
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	Originally Posted by dudalb Meaning none of the above papers have enough of a liberal bias for you. Meaning you haven't a clue as to what you are talking about. Meaning that ascribing an adjective such as "best" to a newspaper implies that the newspaper has NO DISCERNIBLE bias in its coverage. Even the opinion / editorial page, over time, should reflect such a diversity of thought that a political label wouldn't stick. But when you arrogantly chortle over the fact, as mega-billionaire right-winger Rupert Murdoch did on a television interview, that his Fox News station was involved in promoting the invasion of Iraq (because that's what HE wanted); and when you, as right-winger Rupert Murdoch, bask in the vast glut of media and corporate power that he enjoys from all his holdings (including the Wall Street Journal, the Times of London, NY Post, and an alarming number of other media ventures): Then the price for that overwhelming right-wing bias imposed by your owned media instruments is that none of them can ever be described as "best", by any reasonable person. A person, that is, who understands just a smidgen of concepts such as impartiality, objectivity, truth, fact, journalistic integrity and so forth. What I don't need is a newspaper with a right-wing bias, a liberal bias or any kind of bias. I'll do the biases myself, thank you.

25th July 2008, 06:25 PM	#25
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25th July 2008, 06:32 PM	#26
drkitten Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wits' End Posts: 21,647	Originally Posted by ConspiRaider The "best" newspapers? What? Your complete lack of objectivity is showing. The Times of London and the Wall Street Journal are both owned by the gluttonous, power-mad, multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch. What amount of journalistic integrity can be expected from either of the aforementioned rags? I'd say exactly none, in round numbers. And you can also forget about that same integrity from the NY Times or WaHoPo. The Pulitzer committee has a strong tendency to disagree with you. I know who I give more credence to. Yes, all newspapers are biased. If you insist that no newspaper with bias can be "best," then no newspaper in the world is best. But the quality of journalism is substantially better than average in the five or so English-newspapers that I mentioned; their coverage is more complete (even when biased), their stable of reporters is generally more comprehensive and almost certainly better writers, and in general, their editorial arguments, even when obviously slanted, are typically better thought out and better expressed. If you really think there's no difference in journalistic integrity or quality between the New York Times and Fox News,.... well, all I can suggest is that you might enjoy visiting the real world from time to time.

25th July 2008, 07:41 PM	#27
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,112	Originally Posted by WildCat You forgot Arizona! And Uruguay, which not only has a sun on its flag, but the sun has a weird little face on it.
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25th July 2008, 07:42 PM	#28
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25th July 2008, 11:20 PM	#29
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	Originally Posted by drkitten The Pulitzer committee has a strong tendency to disagree with you. I know who I give more credence to. Yes, all newspapers are biased. If you insist that no newspaper with bias can be "best," then no newspaper in the world is best. But the quality of journalism is substantially better than average in the five or so English-newspapers that I mentioned; their coverage is more complete (even when biased), their stable of reporters is generally more comprehensive and almost certainly better writers, and in general, their editorial arguments, even when obviously slanted, are typically better thought out and better expressed. If you really think there's no difference in journalistic integrity or quality between the New York Times and Fox News,.... well, all I can suggest is that you might enjoy visiting the real world from time to time. The NYT has journalistic integrity??? Don't make me laugh, DK. Hey, I read awhile ago that Rupie baby has his eye on acquiring that rag too. Wouldn't make a difference, not really. I think Rupie baby should own everything, actually. He knows best - how we should think. And I'll betcha $105,000 that I'm more worldly than are you. You're never going to get a completely bias-free newspaper but you can certainly aim at it. I dunno. I delivered newspapers as a kid. Took a journalism class in collitch. Did rewrites from AP and UPI wire stories. Did many a newscast during my radio broadcasting days. I remember delivering papers, and the story every day, it seemed, was the unfolding - and unravelling - Watergate conspiracy. That's how you know that newspapers have changed, dramatically and for the worse, over the last few decades. Look at the huge scandals and deceptions that ensued to get the USA and Britain fully committed to the Iraq invasion. Such as the Downing Street Memo. You think the big papers didn't know what was actually happening? Ha! They knew. They soft-peddled it. They helped enable the deceptions. And you don't get to be known as "best" when you do that, as an instrument of the fourth estate. Not in my book. The fourth estate is NOT supposed to be beholden to the government or Big Corporate, correct? Quite the contrary. But, kinda hard to uphold that ideal when the fourth estate is OWNED by Big Corporate. Owned by folks like your friend Murdoch. Wait - he's a megabillionaire. Nothing "folksy" about that.

25th July 2008, 11:35 PM	#30
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,398	Originally Posted by cohen avshalom 1. the west country approcah-that u.s.a and west europe are representative this approach-this is also the japan approach form the 50th 2.and the second is the china approach-that showing great/impressive accomplishment,even unprecedented. China is not there yet but they will very likely be a force to contend with in the not too distant future. The trend is hard to deny. In any event, it's a good question but I suspect that as China gets more and more freedom that they will become more and more like the West with more Democracy and capitalism.
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26th July 2008, 05:02 AM	#31
Chaos TAM Chocolate Dispenser Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Heart of Old Europe Posts: 9,778	Originally Posted by drkitten Be fair; I suspect his English is much better than your Hebrew. But, to be fair, Solus doesn´t (to my knowledge) post Hebrew gibberish on a Hebrew language board and expects people to take him serious for that. Quote: If someone's English is only so-so, then anything that they write is going to verge on gibberish simply because they lack the skills to express themselves fluently. But more than that; if your English isn't good, that's going to cut seriously into your abilities as a scholar, since most scholarship that happens today happens in English. Even on the Web, most of the best newspapers and magazines are in English rather than any other single language. (Yes, I know Le Monde is a good newspaper, arguably the newspaper-of-record in the French language, but it's only one. Compare that to The Times (London), The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, and The Globe and Mail.) Agreed. The generation of scholars (and managers and statesmen, for that matter) that could get away with not understanding English is dying out... or at least going into retirement.
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26th July 2008, 09:42 AM	#32
drkitten Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wits' End Posts: 21,647	Originally Posted by ConspiRaider I delivered newspapers as a kid. And evidently still do. Give your Mom my love when you come upstairs for breakfast.

26th July 2008, 09:53 AM	#33
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26th July 2008, 09:55 AM	#34
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,398	Originally Posted by Chaos But, to be fair, Solus doesn´t (to my knowledge) post Hebrew gibberish on a Hebrew language board and expects people to take him serious for that. I'm not sure why people are saying this is gibberish. The guy is trying, as far as I can tell, to have a discussion. He's having difficulty but it's clear enough to understand. Japan and China, competitors from way back with significant similarities between them, are both capable of challenging Americas dominance. Which is like to do so?
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26th July 2008, 10:37 AM	#35
drkitten Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wits' End Posts: 21,647	Originally Posted by RandFan Japan and China, competitors from way back with significant similarities between them, are both capable of challenging Americas dominance. Which is like to do so? That's not how I read it, I'm afraid. I think he's trying to re-fight the Cold War; he's not asking about Japan vs. the US, but about "us" vs. "them," where "they" are defined by the "eastern approach" and "we" (which includes Japan) are defined by the "western approach." That's why I criticized his idea as simplistic and essentialist; anyone who can lump the entire "east" together as a monolithic and unchanging entity hasn't looked very closely at it. Japan, in particular, was doing quite well at blending traditional Japanese business practices with American-style capitalist innovation in the 1980s, until the wheels came off and they went into their 30 year hangover. China was actively going backwards on the world stage during the Cultural Revolution until they abandoned that and started with a new, non-traditional economic approach. If I had to bet who will kick the USA's ass, Japan or China, my bet would be India. Better access to foreign currency and culture, and they've manged to create a substantial amount of post-manufacturing economy to bring in capital....