Annoys me no end...

Andonyx · 21st October 2003, 10:48 AM

from here:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/21/coma.woman/index.html

Quote:

By a vote of 68-23, the GOP-controlled House approved a bill giving Bush authority to issue a one-time order to reinsert the feeding tube that has nourished Terry Schiavo, 39, since she fell into what doctors call a persistent vegetative state after suffering heart failure in 1990.

The same thing happened to a man and his vegetative mother in Virginia some years ago.

And not to Bash Republicans, but it was another republican Governor who attempted to stop the man from letting his relative die.

Why is it that a group whose platform ostensibly stands for less intrusive government, and more of a hands off approach finds it their perogative every single time to force people to suffer at the hands of some vague definition of their morality. This is the most disgusting kind of abuse of power to me and it makes me extraordinarily angry.

Even more angry than when supposedly liberal Democrats harp on about censoring movies and television because of content they disagree with.

The government is not here to legislate Morality damnit!

Earthborn · 21st October 2003, 11:19 AM

This issue is already extensively discussed in this thread.

Also take a look at her family's website and specifically at the videos that show her reacting to various stimuli. Does she look like she is in a 'vegetative state' to you? She looks more like she suffers a serious motoric disorder to me.

Perhaps, just this once, those Republicans are fighting the good fight.

Tony · 21st October 2003, 12:44 PM

Something I'd like to add. How cruel is it to let her starve to death? Isnt that just a little sick?

Quote:

The government is not here to legislate Morality damnit!

I agree.

Cleon · 21st October 2003, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tony
Something I'd like to add. How cruel is it to let her starve to death? Isnt that just a little sick?

No doubt. But the problem here is that "letting her die" is all the docs CAN do. They're not allowed to give her a morphine overdose; they would be arrested for murder. (See Dr. Kevorkian.)

Andonyx · 21st October 2003, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Earthborn
This issue is already extensively discussed in this thread.

woops, sorry. I wrote a lot of that in a fit of anger, because the Virginia case, which took place while I lived there angered me so much, and this seemed like a repeat.

Quote:

Also take a look at her family's website and specifically at the videos that show her reacting to various stimuli. Does she look like she is in a 'vegetative state' to you? She looks more like she suffers a serious motoric disorder to me.

I won't even touch that. I'm not a doctor, therapist or psychiatrist. If the official medical diagnoses is "persistent vegitative state" I'm either going to get a second medical opinion, or accept it. Videos on a website are not where I get my medical opinions from.

However, the more I read the less inclined I am to be irate:

From here:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...International/

Quote:

The bill would give the state's governor 15 days to order a feeding tube to be reinserted in cases like Terri Schiavo's. The governor's power would be limited to cases where a person has left no living will, is in a persistent vegetative state, has had nutrition and hydration tubes removed and where a family member has challenged the removal.

These provisions make me think this is more about the sticky issues of medical ethics than about morality.

This much I can understand.

Again, and maybe I can find it, the case in VA was clearly about the governor believing it was immoral to let someone die.

Questioninggeller · 21st October 2003, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cleon

No doubt. But the problem here is that "letting her die" is all the docs CAN do. They're not allowed to give her a morphine overdose; they would be arrested for murder. (See Dr. Kevorkian.)

Scott · 21st October 2003, 06:05 PM

The government is not here to legislate Morality

What a bunch of bunk. All legislation is because of someone's morality.

Letting her die isn't all the docs can do, they've kept her alive for 13 years.

Letting her die is what her husband wants.

no one in particular · 21st October 2003, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Earthborn

Also take a look at her family's website and specifically at the videos that show her reacting to various stimuli.

That makes me wonder though; does she always react to those specific stimuli? Are we only seeing the selected clips? If they do the same thing 10 times and she only reacts once, that would not be very impressive. Counting the hits, perhaps?

21st October 2003, 10:48 AM	#1
Andonyx Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,834	Annoys me no end... from here: http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/21/coma.woman/index.html Quote: By a vote of 68-23, the GOP-controlled House approved a bill giving Bush authority to issue a one-time order to reinsert the feeding tube that has nourished Terry Schiavo, 39, since she fell into what doctors call a persistent vegetative state after suffering heart failure in 1990. The same thing happened to a man and his vegetative mother in Virginia some years ago. And not to Bash Republicans, but it was another republican Governor who attempted to stop the man from letting his relative die. Why is it that a group whose platform ostensibly stands for less intrusive government, and more of a hands off approach finds it their perogative every single time to force people to suffer at the hands of some vague definition of their morality. This is the most disgusting kind of abuse of power to me and it makes me extraordinarily angry. Even more angry than when supposedly liberal Democrats harp on about censoring movies and television because of content they disagree with. The government is not here to legislate Morality damnit!
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21st October 2003, 11:19 AM	#2
Earthborn Terrestrial Intelligence Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Terra Firma Posts: 5,647	This issue is already extensively discussed in this thread. Also take a look at her family's website and specifically at the videos that show her reacting to various stimuli. Does she look like she is in a 'vegetative state' to you? She looks more like she suffers a serious motoric disorder to me. Perhaps, just this once, those Republicans are fighting the good fight.
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21st October 2003, 12:44 PM	#3
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,753	Something I'd like to add. How cruel is it to let her starve to death? Isnt that just a little sick? Quote: The government is not here to legislate Morality damnit! I agree.
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21st October 2003, 01:14 PM	#4
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,510	Quote: Originally posted by Tony Something I'd like to add. How cruel is it to let her starve to death? Isnt that just a little sick? No doubt. But the problem here is that "letting her die" is all the docs CAN do. They're not allowed to give her a morphine overdose; they would be arrested for murder. (See Dr. Kevorkian.)
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21st October 2003, 01:25 PM	#5
Andonyx Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,834	Quote: Originally posted by Earthborn This issue is already extensively discussed in this thread. woops, sorry. I wrote a lot of that in a fit of anger, because the Virginia case, which took place while I lived there angered me so much, and this seemed like a repeat. Quote: Also take a look at her family's website and specifically at the videos that show her reacting to various stimuli. Does she look like she is in a 'vegetative state' to you? She looks more like she suffers a serious motoric disorder to me. I won't even touch that. I'm not a doctor, therapist or psychiatrist. If the official medical diagnoses is "persistent vegitative state" I'm either going to get a second medical opinion, or accept it. Videos on a website are not where I get my medical opinions from. However, the more I read the less inclined I am to be irate: From here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...International/ Quote: The bill would give the state's governor 15 days to order a feeding tube to be reinserted in cases like Terri Schiavo's. The governor's power would be limited to cases where a person has left no living will, is in a persistent vegetative state, has had nutrition and hydration tubes removed and where a family member has challenged the removal. These provisions make me think this is more about the sticky issues of medical ethics than about morality. This much I can understand. Again, and maybe I can find it, the case in VA was clearly about the governor believing it was immoral to let someone die.
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21st October 2003, 04:17 PM	#6
Questioninggeller Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,030	Quote: Originally posted by Cleon No doubt. But the problem here is that "letting her die" is all the docs CAN do. They're not allowed to give her a morphine overdose; they would be arrested for murder. (See Dr. Kevorkian.)

21st October 2003, 06:05 PM	#7
Scott Scholar Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 113	The government is not here to legislate Morality What a bunch of bunk. All legislation is because of someone's morality. Letting her die isn't all the docs can do, they've kept her alive for 13 years. Letting her die is what her husband wants.
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21st October 2003, 06:08 PM	#8
no one in particular muse Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,004	Quote: Originally posted by Earthborn Also take a look at her family's website and specifically at the videos that show her reacting to various stimuli. That makes me wonder though; does she always react to those specific stimuli? Are we only seeing the selected clips? If they do the same thing 10 times and she only reacts once, that would not be very impressive. Counting the hits, perhaps?
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