FREE TAPATALK APP

Iamme · 21st October 2003, 03:14 PM

And she isn't just a whislin' Dixie. I could have told you that. Buuuttt...I never gave birth. I had preSUMED this to be so based on the fact that I never heard of a woman about to give birth, who was dry heaving...and who had to literally crawl around on their hands and knees from being in so much pain....and who had to be fed morphine intravenously.It is an extreme internal pain. You have nothing to grab onto, such as what you could do if you damaged one of your limbs.

How about any of you other posters. Ever pass a kidney stone? Or, have them and they have to operate or give you the ultrasound treatment?

zakur · 21st October 2003, 03:20 PM

I've passed a dozen or so kidney stones. The only worse pain I've experienced was an acute case of epididymitis.

A former coworker of mine told me that her kidney stone hurt worse than her two childbirths combined. My wife doesn't believe her.

MoeFaux · 21st October 2003, 03:46 PM

My Mother gave birth to me as well as my Sister without drugs. She says the body just numbs that area in the final pushes.
She says that mumps hurt worse than childbirth, and urinary tract infections, too.
I don't know about kidney stones, but it would seem that since men have a longer urethra, that it would hurt far worse for them than for a woman. I mean, for pete's sake, it's a sharp, jagged thing scraping along your urethra. Yeah, that's gotta hurt.

Ziggurat · 21st October 2003, 04:38 PM

My anaesthesiologist mother tells me kidney stones are worse than birth. I don't think she'd had kindney stones, but I'll take her word on it as an expert in other people's pain.

tracer · 21st October 2003, 05:34 PM

But just think of that beautiful little new life you'll be creating when the stone finally goes all the way through! Isn't the pain worth it?

Blondin · 21st October 2003, 06:54 PM

I had kidney stones about 5 years ago. It HURT LIKE HELL!

I'm not the kind of person who moans & groans a lot but I'm sure I was sweating and writhing quite a bit. I had several nurses stop to tell me that "this is nuthin' compared to childbirth" or words to that effect. I don't know if they were trying to be funny or just implying that I should just "suck it up" or something but I sure didn't appreciate it at the time.

In a just world I would have an opportunity to pop into the delivery room just as a doctor is slipping the forceps into one of those nurses and say something like, "Ooh, jeez, I hear that hurts worse than kidney stones!"

I just reread that and it sort of sounds like some kind of sick fantasy but that's not the way I meant it... honest.

EdipisReks · 21st October 2003, 07:20 PM

don't they give painkillers for kidney stones?

BTox · 21st October 2003, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Iamme
[BHow about any of you other posters. Ever pass a kidney stone? Or, have them and they have to operate or give you the ultrasound treatment? [/b]

The wife agrees. She went through both and claims the pain was worse with the stone. I'm not gonna argue!

Mercutio · 21st October 2003, 08:48 PM

My mom had both; claims kidney stones are worse. I have had kidney stones, as well as broken bones, concussions, etc. Kidney stones are worse than broken bones, not so bad as broken heart.

Also had a really bad reaction to the radioactive isotope crap they put in your bloodstream to check your kidneys on the scope. Felt like my brain was exploding. I'd put that below kidney stones, but well above a broken collarbone or arm.

a_unique_person · 21st October 2003, 09:03 PM

Note to self Do not get kidney stones.

Brown · 21st October 2003, 10:29 PM

I have heard from friends that kidney stones cause serious agony, with women saying that they are worse than childbirth.

I have also heard that shingles are more painful than childbirth.

ingoa · 22nd October 2003, 01:47 AM

a_unique_person,
the most important thing in order to avoid kidney stones is to drink! At least 2 liter per day (not sure about US units). Coffee and Tea don't count.
Trust me you don't want to have them.

AFAIK, it hurts when the stone is travelling. The pain in or close to the kidney is worst. So this should be the same for woman and men. The passage from bladder to birth of the little critter

is quite tolerable. More a burning sensation than real pain. So no real problem that men have a longer way to go...

Chaos · 22nd October 2003, 03:44 AM

Note to AUP: 2 litres is just under half a gallon. (~ 0.45). Make that half a gallon to be on the safe side.

Flame · 22nd October 2003, 05:03 AM

I've never had kidney stones so I can't say I'm sure about that. I have heard it before, but I've given birth four times and one of those times was without pain relief (mostly).
In all honesty it was the worst thing in my entire life.
Someone said their mother said the pain is numbed in the final pushes
Let me tell you something ... she just wants grandbabies!!!! Certainly didn't happen in my case.
I do think that it would have to depend on the personal cases involved and all the factors to do with the birthing/stones.
Some people have different tolerance levels to different sorts of pain (going soley on my own experience in that)

Just to be safe though, I'm going to start looking at preventative measures
no stones for me

Toni

arcticpenguin · 22nd October 2003, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brown

I have also heard that shingles are more painful than childbirth.

Your mileage may vary. The case I had wasn't that bad, and these days antiviral drugs are available to reduce the severity.

Now back to kidney stones: of course they're worse than childbirth, because men can get them too.
(ducks quickly)

EdipisReks · 22nd October 2003, 07:39 AM

i don't see why coffee or tea wouldn't count as liquid intake. both are almost 100% water, afterall.

Flame · 22nd October 2003, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EdipisReks
i don't see why coffee or tea wouldn't count as liquid intake. both are almost 100% water, afterall.

Both of these drinks increase urination and I believe are considered diuretics...

I'll look up for some technical information and edit this if I find a suitable link.

Toni

Larspeart · 22nd October 2003, 07:59 AM

Hey all. Good topic, of which I am (unfortunately) somewhat of an expert on.

I suffer (and suffer is a very good word for it) from chronic kidney stones. I get them every couple months, and I produce several at a time. I currently have 5 little babies inside me, as we speak.

As far as the pain goes. I am a guy, so I can't speak on childbirth, but during my numerous hospital stays, I have run into many women, both patients and nurses, who have had both. Almost UNIVERSALLY, they stated kidney stones are worse, and must be doubly worse for a guy, simply because we have. . .

1. More plumbing, hence a longer route for the stone to go

2. A narrower urethra.

Also, if this helps you visualize it a bit, I have a friend who was in the military, and has been shot 3 times. He also had one kideny stone. He said he'd rather take all three bullets at the same time then have another kidney stone, and he was very serious.

The pain is tough to describe, and varies from person to person greatly. My brother has also had 3 stones. He has virtually no pain whatsoever, but will pee blood. It's really the only way he knows.

For me, the pain is the typical 'kidney stone pain' level. Doctors put it into the same catagory as childbirth, severe burns, and pancreatic disorders/cancer. This is the HIGHEST pain catagory most hospitals have. Morphine does nothing for me. I have only found one friend for my frequent attacks; a drug called Diluadid, with Toradol mixed in. This cocktail is the only thing that can alleviate the pain that comes from stones, and I have literally crawled into the hospital begging for it.

I have had several attacks while driving. Not a good thing. I have literally driven miles SCREAMING alone in my car, crying, biting my hand, all the way to the nearest hospital.

A fortunate thing is, if you have a kidney stone and walk into ER, as long as you give them a very clear description of your kidney stones symptomes, they are usually fairly quick to get you in. In other words, you get 'bumped up' in front of a lot of other 'minor' people. ER is all about determining priority, and we 'stoners' are pretty high on the list.

Yes, you can die from kidney stones. The two main reasons are full blockage, making urination impossible, or. . . Shock from the massive amounts of pain that it causes.

I wouldn't wish a stone on my worst enemy, and my sympathy goes out to all those who have had them. We are like cancer survivors in that we all look at each other with this knowing eye, and with respect. We know what it is like.

It sucks.

Flame · 22nd October 2003, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ingoa

AFAIK, it hurts when the stone is travelling. The pain in or close to the kidney is worst. So this should be the same for woman and men. The passage from bladder to birth of the little critter is quite tolerable. More a burning sensation than real pain. So no real problem that men have a longer way to go...

I'm interested to know who is correct. It seems that there is a difference in opinion regarding the pain of passing the stones... Think I look it up

Toni

ingoa · 22nd October 2003, 09:14 AM

Flame
This and this seem to indicate that I was right.

Getting blocked while it is travelling appears to generate the pain.

Why can't these bugger just sit still and enjoy the view?

Flame · 22nd October 2003, 09:19 AM

seems so. It says in the 'location' paragraph that the intense pain associated with the stones is usually due to movement in the area between kidney and bladder.
Sorry guys, but it would seem your longer tracts don't make you entitled to more sympathy

Thanks for the links

toni

Bluegill · 22nd October 2003, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by a_unique_person
Note to self Do not get kidney stones.

May I borrow that pen and paper? I wish to write a note to myself, too.

tracer · 22nd October 2003, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chaos
Note to AUP: 2 litres is just under half a gallon. (~ 0.45). Make that half a gallon to be on the safe side.

Careful! 2 liters is less than half an Imperial gallon. 2 liters is more than half a U.S. liquid gallon.

Mercutio · 22nd October 2003, 06:00 PM

I was told (too late, sadly) that cranberry juice was even better than water for preventing kidney stones, due to antibiotic effects. Anyone know whether there is anything to that?

tracer · 22nd October 2003, 06:22 PM

I refuse to believe that cranberry juice is effacacious in preventing kidney stones, for the sound scientific reason that I think cranberry juice tastes icky.

BTox · 22nd October 2003, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mercutio
I was told (too late, sadly) that cranberry juice was even better than water for preventing kidney stones, due to antibiotic effects. Anyone know whether there is anything to that?

Cranberry juice is somewhat effective against urinary infections due its ability to inhibit bacterial adhesion to the bladder and urethra. This would have no effect on kidney stones (tmk), although it's acidity and subsequent reduction in urine pH may have some ability to reduce stone formation.

Third twin for the real answer?

Larspeart · 23rd October 2003, 06:27 AM

Cranberry juice-

Good for preventing Urinary tract infections.

As far as kidney stones, I have had doctors tell me all kinds of things, from 'doesn't diddly', to 'it sure can't hurt' to 'I want you to drink at least 2 glasses of cranberry juice a day, mister.'

As far as scientifically speaking, I believe that the (very) high acidity in the juice would have at least SOME kind of dissolving effect. Most kinds of stones (there are at least 5-6 types) will dissolve fairly easily under certain conditions. I'd imagine a low pH in the urine woudl help that out a bit.

Bottom line is, I personally don't have a problem with the taste (not my fav, but not bad) so I don't mind drinking a glass every now and then.

repairman · 23rd October 2003, 09:25 AM

Unfortunatly for me stones run in my family ( I have passed 15 in about 6 years). My great grandmother had eight kids and said she would rather have eight more than have another kidney stone. I can also verify that it is indeed the passage from the kidney to the bladder that is the painful part. Once it is in the bladder, for either a man or woman, the trip from the bladder out is a realitively short one. But more important you can control the trip out of the bladder.

It is an incredible pain but the fact that there is nothing that you can do to ease the pain is the worst part. You cannot get into a positon that ease the pain.

tracer · 23rd October 2003, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Larspeart
Cranberry juice-

As far as scientifically speaking, I believe that the (very) high acidity in the juice would have at least SOME kind of dissolving effect. Most kinds of stones (there are at least 5-6 types) will dissolve fairly easily under certain conditions. I'd imagine a low pH in the urine woudl help that out a bit.

But -- does ingesting a low-pH liquid actually reduce the pH of your urine? Or does the digestion process break down the acids before they're absorbed into the bloodstream?

Larspeart · 30th November 2004, 11:56 AM

Bump from an OLD thread.

I get CHRONIC kidney stones. 3+ times a year. I currently have SIX stones residing inside me, and I am havng surgery on one of them tomorrow.

So, I have a question. WHAT CAN A PERSON DO TO STOP GETTING THEM??? Please don't tell me to drink more. I drink nearly a gallon a day. I also take B6, Magnesium, and B5 (Pantothalmic Acid). I try to eat a low-oxalate diet, and I avoid most caffine (although I do drink a cup of tea or 3 a day, but it is almost always green tea).

HELP ME!

I am in constant agony, and it just never stops. Surgery tomorrow is only for one of the 6 stones. they aren't even addressing the other 5.

Also, my doctor sucks. The guy before him sucked too. Should I be seeing a Urologist, a Nephrologist, or just a general practitioner?

Again, any and all thoughts will be taken seriously.

RSLancastr · 30th November 2004, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MoeFaux
My Mother gave birth to me as well as my Sister without drugs.

Punctuation can be a funny thing.

Anyway, a local talk show host, who is known for the odd songs he writes, had kidney stones a few years back.

He wrote a song about the experience, which contained the memorable lines:

Quote:

of all the things in life
that could ever demean us,
a little bitty rock
comin' out of your penis.

jj · 30th November 2004, 08:00 PM

Well, I can't personally speak for giving birth, althought reactions of my very, um, physically unshakable spouse during the process are a hint indeed. "No, dear, we can't just stop now and wait until tomorrow, no, I'm afraid we have to stay here and do it now."

However, I can safely say that infected urethal strictures are entirely unpleasant. Oh, and make sure the swiss seat isn't going to slip when you fall, too. OW OW OW.

Soapy Sam · 1st December 2004, 02:38 AM

Larspeart. I presume these things are mostly calcium compounds? (I argue from total ignorance yoy understand).
Whatever. Is there no possibility that a dietary change might reduce the material available for their formation? Is there no way to alter the environment in which they form? (A drinkable pH buffer for instance). Have you tried cutting out / adding specific food types to see if it helps?

21st October 2003, 03:14 PM	#1
Iamme Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Western Wisconsin Posts: 4,622	Sister says kidney stones worse than giving birth! And she isn't just a whislin' Dixie. I could have told you that. Buuuttt...I never gave birth. I had preSUMED this to be so based on the fact that I never heard of a woman about to give birth, who was dry heaving...and who had to literally crawl around on their hands and knees from being in so much pain....and who had to be fed morphine intravenously.It is an extreme internal pain. You have nothing to grab onto, such as what you could do if you damaged one of your limbs. How about any of you other posters. Ever pass a kidney stone? Or, have them and they have to operate or give you the ultrasound treatment?
	__________________ I lost my mind many years ago and it hasn't affected me a bit...a bit..a bit..a bit.

21st October 2003, 03:20 PM	#2
zakur Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,265	I've passed a dozen or so kidney stones. The only worse pain I've experienced was an acute case of epididymitis. A former coworker of mine told me that her kidney stone hurt worse than her two childbirths combined. My wife doesn't believe her.
	__________________ "I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." -Thomas Carlyle "That's the problem these days: nobody thinks of the tumors." -steinhenge

21st October 2003, 03:46 PM	#3
MoeFaux Suspicious Mind Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,919	My Mother gave birth to me as well as my Sister without drugs. She says the body just numbs that area in the final pushes. She says that mumps hurt worse than childbirth, and urinary tract infections, too. I don't know about kidney stones, but it would seem that since men have a longer urethra, that it would hurt far worse for them than for a woman. I mean, for pete's sake, it's a sharp, jagged thing scraping along your urethra. Yeah, that's gotta hurt.
MoeFaux Suspicious Mind Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,919	__________________ This post brought to you by the artist fauxmerly known as Moe.

21st October 2003, 04:38 PM	#4
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 26,285	My anaesthesiologist mother tells me kidney stones are worse than birth. I don't think she'd had kindney stones, but I'll take her word on it as an expert in other people's pain.
	__________________ "As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law

21st October 2003, 05:34 PM	#5
tracer Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Silicon Valley, Calif. Posts: 1,356	But just think of that beautiful little new life you'll be creating when the stone finally goes all the way through! Isn't the pain worth it?
	__________________ The truth, as always, is more complicated than that.

21st October 2003, 06:54 PM	#6
Blondin Muse Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Northern Ontario Posts: 909	I had kidney stones about 5 years ago. It HURT LIKE HELL! I'm not the kind of person who moans & groans a lot but I'm sure I was sweating and writhing quite a bit. I had several nurses stop to tell me that "this is nuthin' compared to childbirth" or words to that effect. I don't know if they were trying to be funny or just implying that I should just "suck it up" or something but I sure didn't appreciate it at the time. In a just world I would have an opportunity to pop into the delivery room just as a doctor is slipping the forceps into one of those nurses and say something like, "Ooh, jeez, I hear that hurts worse than kidney stones!" I just reread that and it sort of sounds like some kind of sick fantasy but that's not the way I meant it... honest.

21st October 2003, 07:20 PM	#7
EdipisReks Custom Title Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The 'Nati Posts: 1,952	don't they give painkillers for kidney stones?
	__________________ "Candy to rot your teeth. Bible to rot your brain." --EvilDave (7-24-2003) "I read the Book Of Mormon once. Wasn't it about Uma Thurman, um, thrumming a Theremin?" --epepke (9-22-2004)

21st October 2003, 07:57 PM	#8
BTox Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,588	Re: Sister says kidney stones worse than giving birth! Quote: Originally posted by Iamme [BHow about any of you other posters. Ever pass a kidney stone? Or, have them and they have to operate or give you the ultrasound treatment? [/b] The wife agrees. She went through both and claims the pain was worse with the stone. I'm not gonna argue!
BTox Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,588	__________________ "Your ignorance makes me ill... "

21st October 2003, 08:48 PM	#9
Mercutio Shakespeare's Sock Puppet Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Live Free Or Die Posts: 16,325	My mom had both; claims kidney stones are worse. I have had kidney stones, as well as broken bones, concussions, etc. Kidney stones are worse than broken bones, not so bad as broken heart. Also had a really bad reaction to the radioactive isotope crap they put in your bloodstream to check your kidneys on the scope. Felt like my brain was exploding. I'd put that below kidney stones, but well above a broken collarbone or arm.
	__________________ "But to see her was to love her Love but her, and love forever."

21st October 2003, 09:03 PM	#10
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,467	Note to self Do not get kidney stones.
	__________________ *Continually pushing the boundaries of mediocrity.* Everything is possible, but not everything is probable. For if a man pretend to me that God hath spoken to him supernaturally, and immediately, and I make doubt of it, I cannot easily perceive what argument he can produce to oblige me to believe it. Hobbes

21st October 2003, 10:29 PM	#11
Brown Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Twin Cities, Canada Posts: 12,293	I have heard from friends that kidney stones cause serious agony, with women saying that they are worse than childbirth. I have also heard that shingles are more painful than childbirth.
	__________________ Klaatu: I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it. Mr. Harley: I'm afraid my people haven't. I am very sorry. I wish it were otherwise. -- The Day The Earth Stood Still, screenplay by Edmund H. North "Don't you get me wrong. I only want to know." -- Judas in Jesus Christ Superstar, lyrics by Tim Rice

22nd October 2003, 01:47 AM	#12
ingoa Surfing on the relativistic brain wave Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Old Europe Posts: 492	a_unique_person, the most important thing in order to avoid kidney stones is to drink! At least 2 liter per day (not sure about US units). Coffee and Tea don't count. Trust me you don't want to have them. AFAIK, it hurts when the stone is travelling. The pain in or close to the kidney is worst. So this should be the same for woman and men. The passage from bladder to birth of the little critter is quite tolerable. More a burning sensation than real pain. So no real problem that men have a longer way to go...

22nd October 2003, 03:44 AM	#13
Chaos TAM Chocolate Dispenser Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Heart of Old Europe Posts: 9,810	Note to AUP: 2 litres is just under half a gallon. (~ 0.45). Make that half a gallon to be on the safe side.
	__________________ Grand Master, Knights of the Question Mark Illusion: too good to be true - Reality: too true to be good Authors build castles in the sky, readers live in them and publishers collect the rent. - Maxim Gorki Folks enjoy a witch-hunt as long as they are on the blunt end of the pitchfork. - Suezoled You can't use logic to talk a man out of a position that he didn't use logic to get himself into - passed down by Nyarlathotep Kids these days are better than their parents since they constitute the newest edition, the beta version of our societies - Cleopatra YouÂ´ll have to accept the fact that some people are just plain nuts. - Paul C. Anagnostopolous

22nd October 2003, 05:03 AM	#14
Flame Muse Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 584	I've never had kidney stones so I can't say I'm sure about that. I have heard it before, but I've given birth four times and one of those times was without pain relief (mostly). In all honesty it was the worst thing in my entire life. Someone said their mother said the pain is numbed in the final pushes Let me tell you something ... she just wants grandbabies!!!! Certainly didn't happen in my case. I do think that it would have to depend on the personal cases involved and all the factors to do with the birthing/stones. Some people have different tolerance levels to different sorts of pain (going soley on my own experience in that) Just to be safe though, I'm going to start looking at preventative measures no stones for me Toni
Flame Muse Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 584	__________________ 'And God said, Let us make man in our own image, but woe many came out like Spitting Image' - The Bible According to Spike Milligan

22nd October 2003, 07:26 AM	#15
arcticpenguin woo ban clan Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,717	Quote: Originally posted by Brown I have also heard that shingles are more painful than childbirth. Your mileage may vary. The case I had wasn't that bad, and these days antiviral drugs are available to reduce the severity. Now back to kidney stones: of course they're worse than childbirth, because men can get them too. (ducks quickly)
	__________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it. - George Bernard Shaw

22nd October 2003, 07:39 AM	#16
EdipisReks Custom Title Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The 'Nati Posts: 1,952	i don't see why coffee or tea wouldn't count as liquid intake. both are almost 100% water, afterall.
	__________________ "Candy to rot your teeth. Bible to rot your brain." --EvilDave (7-24-2003) "I read the Book Of Mormon once. Wasn't it about Uma Thurman, um, thrumming a Theremin?" --epepke (9-22-2004)

22nd October 2003, 07:46 AM	#17
Flame Muse Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 584	Quote: Originally posted by EdipisReks i don't see why coffee or tea wouldn't count as liquid intake. both are almost 100% water, afterall. Both of these drinks increase urination and I believe are considered diuretics... I'll look up for some technical information and edit this if I find a suitable link. Toni
Flame Muse Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 584	__________________ 'And God said, Let us make man in our own image, but woe many came out like Spitting Image' - The Bible According to Spike Milligan

22nd October 2003, 07:59 AM	#18
Larspeart Muse Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 581	Hey all. Good topic, of which I am (unfortunately) somewhat of an expert on. I suffer (and suffer is a very good word for it) from chronic kidney stones. I get them every couple months, and I produce several at a time. I currently have 5 little babies inside me, as we speak. As far as the pain goes. I am a guy, so I can't speak on childbirth, but during my numerous hospital stays, I have run into many women, both patients and nurses, who have had both. Almost UNIVERSALLY, they stated kidney stones are worse, and must be doubly worse for a guy, simply because we have. . . 1. More plumbing, hence a longer route for the stone to go 2. A narrower urethra. Also, if this helps you visualize it a bit, I have a friend who was in the military, and has been shot 3 times. He also had one kideny stone. He said he'd rather take all three bullets at the same time then have another kidney stone, and he was very serious. The pain is tough to describe, and varies from person to person greatly. My brother has also had 3 stones. He has virtually no pain whatsoever, but will pee blood. It's really the only way he knows. For me, the pain is the typical 'kidney stone pain' level. Doctors put it into the same catagory as childbirth, severe burns, and pancreatic disorders/cancer. This is the HIGHEST pain catagory most hospitals have. Morphine does nothing for me. I have only found one friend for my frequent attacks; a drug called Diluadid, with Toradol mixed in. This cocktail is the only thing that can alleviate the pain that comes from stones, and I have literally crawled into the hospital begging for it. I have had several attacks while driving. Not a good thing. I have literally driven miles SCREAMING alone in my car, crying, biting my hand, all the way to the nearest hospital. A fortunate thing is, if you have a kidney stone and walk into ER, as long as you give them a very clear description of your kidney stones symptomes, they are usually fairly quick to get you in. In other words, you get 'bumped up' in front of a lot of other 'minor' people. ER is all about determining priority, and we 'stoners' are pretty high on the list. Yes, you can die from kidney stones. The two main reasons are full blockage, making urination impossible, or. . . Shock from the massive amounts of pain that it causes. I wouldn't wish a stone on my worst enemy, and my sympathy goes out to all those who have had them. We are like cancer survivors in that we all look at each other with this knowing eye, and with respect. We know what it is like. It sucks.
Larspeart Muse Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 581	__________________ "Anyone who is willing to trade liberty for security deserves neither security nor liberty."- Benjamin Franklin

22nd October 2003, 08:51 AM	#19
Flame Muse Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 584	Quote: Originally posted by ingoa AFAIK, it hurts when the stone is travelling. The pain in or close to the kidney is worst. So this should be the same for woman and men. The passage from bladder to birth of the little critter is quite tolerable. More a burning sensation than real pain. So no real problem that men have a longer way to go... I'm interested to know who is correct. It seems that there is a difference in opinion regarding the pain of passing the stones... Think I look it up Toni
Flame Muse Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 584	__________________ 'And God said, Let us make man in our own image, but woe many came out like Spitting Image' - The Bible According to Spike Milligan

22nd October 2003, 09:14 AM	#20
ingoa Surfing on the relativistic brain wave Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Old Europe Posts: 492	Flame This and this seem to indicate that I was right. Getting blocked while it is travelling appears to generate the pain. Why can't these bugger just sit still and enjoy the view?

22nd October 2003, 09:19 AM	#21
Flame Muse Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 584	seems so. It says in the 'location' paragraph that the intense pain associated with the stones is usually due to movement in the area between kidney and bladder. Sorry guys, but it would seem your longer tracts don't make you entitled to more sympathy Thanks for the links toni
Flame Muse Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 584	__________________ 'And God said, Let us make man in our own image, but woe many came out like Spitting Image' - The Bible According to Spike Milligan

22nd October 2003, 01:58 PM	#22
Bluegill Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Louisville Posts: 1,188	Quote: Originally posted by a_unique_person Note to self Do not get kidney stones. May I borrow that pen and paper? I wish to write a note to myself, too.

22nd October 2003, 03:52 PM	#23
tracer Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Silicon Valley, Calif. Posts: 1,356	Quote: Originally posted by Chaos Note to AUP: 2 litres is just under half a gallon. (~ 0.45). Make that half a gallon to be on the safe side. Careful! 2 liters is less than half an Imperial gallon. 2 liters is more than half a U.S. liquid gallon.
	__________________ The truth, as always, is more complicated than that.

22nd October 2003, 06:00 PM	#24
Mercutio Shakespeare's Sock Puppet Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Live Free Or Die Posts: 16,325	I was told (too late, sadly) that cranberry juice was even better than water for preventing kidney stones, due to antibiotic effects. Anyone know whether there is anything to that?
	__________________ "But to see her was to love her Love but her, and love forever."

22nd October 2003, 06:22 PM	#25
tracer Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Silicon Valley, Calif. Posts: 1,356	I refuse to believe that cranberry juice is effacacious in preventing kidney stones, for the sound scientific reason that I think cranberry juice tastes icky.
	__________________ The truth, as always, is more complicated than that.

22nd October 2003, 06:51 PM	#26
BTox Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,588	Quote: Originally posted by Mercutio I was told (too late, sadly) that cranberry juice was even better than water for preventing kidney stones, due to antibiotic effects. Anyone know whether there is anything to that? Cranberry juice is somewhat effective against urinary infections due its ability to inhibit bacterial adhesion to the bladder and urethra. This would have no effect on kidney stones (tmk), although it's acidity and subsequent reduction in urine pH may have some ability to reduce stone formation. Third twin for the real answer?
BTox Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,588	__________________ "Your ignorance makes me ill... "

23rd October 2003, 06:27 AM	#27
Larspeart Muse Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 581	Cranberry juice- Good for preventing Urinary tract infections. As far as kidney stones, I have had doctors tell me all kinds of things, from 'doesn't diddly', to 'it sure can't hurt' to 'I want you to drink at least 2 glasses of cranberry juice a day, mister.' As far as scientifically speaking, I believe that the (very) high acidity in the juice would have at least SOME kind of dissolving effect. Most kinds of stones (there are at least 5-6 types) will dissolve fairly easily under certain conditions. I'd imagine a low pH in the urine woudl help that out a bit. Bottom line is, I personally don't have a problem with the taste (not my fav, but not bad) so I don't mind drinking a glass every now and then.
Larspeart Muse Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 581	__________________ "Anyone who is willing to trade liberty for security deserves neither security nor liberty."- Benjamin Franklin

23rd October 2003, 09:25 AM	#28
repairman Scholar Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 79	Unfortunatly for me stones run in my family ( I have passed 15 in about 6 years). My great grandmother had eight kids and said she would rather have eight more than have another kidney stone. I can also verify that it is indeed the passage from the kidney to the bladder that is the painful part. Once it is in the bladder, for either a man or woman, the trip from the bladder out is a realitively short one. But more important you can control the trip out of the bladder. It is an incredible pain but the fact that there is nothing that you can do to ease the pain is the worst part. You cannot get into a positon that ease the pain.
repairman Scholar Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 79

23rd October 2003, 05:55 PM	#29
tracer Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Silicon Valley, Calif. Posts: 1,356	Quote: Originally posted by Larspeart Cranberry juice- As far as scientifically speaking, I believe that the (very) high acidity in the juice would have at least SOME kind of dissolving effect. Most kinds of stones (there are at least 5-6 types) will dissolve fairly easily under certain conditions. I'd imagine a low pH in the urine woudl help that out a bit. But -- does ingesting a low-pH liquid actually reduce the pH of your urine? Or does the digestion process break down the acids before they're absorbed into the bloodstream?
	__________________ The truth, as always, is more complicated than that.

30th November 2004, 11:56 AM	#30
Larspeart Muse Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 581	Bump from an OLD thread. I get CHRONIC kidney stones. 3+ times a year. I currently have SIX stones residing inside me, and I am havng surgery on one of them tomorrow. So, I have a question. WHAT CAN A PERSON DO TO STOP GETTING THEM??? Please don't tell me to drink more. I drink nearly a gallon a day. I also take B6, Magnesium, and B5 (Pantothalmic Acid). I try to eat a low-oxalate diet, and I avoid most caffine (although I do drink a cup of tea or 3 a day, but it is almost always green tea). HELP ME! I am in constant agony, and it just never stops. Surgery tomorrow is only for one of the 6 stones. they aren't even addressing the other 5. Also, my doctor sucks. The guy before him sucked too. Should I be seeing a Urologist, a Nephrologist, or just a general practitioner? Again, any and all thoughts will be taken seriously.
Larspeart Muse Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 581	__________________ "Anyone who is willing to trade liberty for security deserves neither security nor liberty."- Benjamin Franklin

30th November 2004, 12:10 PM	#31
RSLancastr www.StopSylvia.com Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 15,646	Quote: Originally posted by MoeFaux My Mother gave birth to me as well as my Sister without drugs. Punctuation can be a funny thing. Anyway, a local talk show host, who is known for the odd songs he writes, had kidney stones a few years back. He wrote a song about the experience, which contained the memorable lines: Quote: of all the things in life that could ever demean us, a little bitty rock comin' out of your penis.

30th November 2004, 08:00 PM	#32
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,737	Well, I can't personally speak for giving birth, althought reactions of my very, um, physically unshakable spouse during the process are a hint indeed. "No, dear, we can't just stop now and wait until tomorrow, no, I'm afraid we have to stay here and do it now." However, I can safely say that infected urethal strictures are entirely unpleasant. Oh, and make sure the swiss seat isn't going to slip when you fall, too. OW OW OW.
	__________________ The Power to Quit

1st December 2004, 02:38 AM	#33
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,929	Larspeart. I presume these things are mostly calcium compounds? (I argue from total ignorance yoy understand). Whatever. Is there no possibility that a dietary change might reduce the material available for their formation? Is there no way to alter the environment in which they form? (A drinkable pH buffer for instance). Have you tried cutting out / adding specific food types to see if it helps?
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,929