Has JREF done anything to stop your "New Investigation" from happening?

1337m4n · 14th August 2008, 03:44 PM

So, you say you want a New Investigation^TM?

When we point out to you that it will never happen, and even if it did, that it would be a stupid, pointless waste of time and money, you get angry at us.

Why is this?

Have we done anything to stop your New Investigation^TM from happening? Have we stopped you from presenting your evidence to the media and scientific organizations? Have we stopped you from calling or e-mailing witnesses and first responders? Have we stopped you from contacting your congressman? Have any of us driven to your house to physically rip to shreds that petition for a New Investigation^TM that you have been collecting signatures for during the past 7+ years?

Well?

I'm just curious. You get angry at me; you think I am a bad evil person because I oppose this New Investigation^TM, but in reality I have not done one single thing to stop it from happening. And I give you my assurances that I will continue to do absolutely nothing to stop it from happening. So why direct your anger towards me?

Blaming JREF will get you nowhere; we have done nothing to stop you and we never will. Perhaps the person you should be blaming, is the person who keeps on talking and talking about a New Investigation^TM, yet does nothing to bring it about but whine on the Internet. Perhaps you should be blaming yourself.

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(Note: "You" does not refer to any one particular person, but to any and all readers who claim to be proponents of a New Investigation^TM)

mrbaracuda · 14th August 2008, 03:56 PM

1337m4n!

Uh, yea, I suppose JREF has saved many souls from being sucked into the brain-void the twoof is!

jaydeehess · 14th August 2008, 04:09 PM

I just keep seeing the postings on PfT about new investigations and getting answers and noting that they are stotic (or stubborn) in their refusal to change the way they are going about trying to get those things done. They choose, as 1337m4n says, to mostly whine on the Internet. They do one other thing of course, they send off accusatory press releases, they phone and brow beat the NTSB but what they will not do, and cannot risk doing, is write up a purely technical paper explaining how they come to the conclusion that the Flight 77 FDR data describes a flight path that is significantly different that that described by the physical evidence (downed lamp posts, path of destruction in the Pentagon) of the path of the aircraft.

16.5 · 14th August 2008, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

I just keep seeing the postings on PfT about new investigations and getting answers and noting that they are stotic (or stubborn) in their refusal to change the way they are going about trying to get those things done. They choose, as 1337m4n says, to mostly whine on the Internet.

They also write "one of the most ludicrous emails we've ever received." Giggle!

Give them IP Numbers so that they may bask in PFFT's MIGHTY GLORY! Silly "terrorists."

jaydeehess · 14th August 2008, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by 16.5

They also write "one of the most ludicrous emails we've ever received." Giggle!

Give them IP Numbers so that they may bask in PFFT's MIGHTY GLORY! Silly "terrorists."

I saw the ban notice you refer to and the reply from PfT.

ol' Robby is realk good at calling 'traitor' on anyone who disagrees with him (not to mention assuring them that when the revolution comes he'll glady pull the trigger at one's execution) but point out that he is excusing the people whom we know carried out the attacks thus making him a comrade of theirs, a terrorist, and he starts sputtering. I hope he found a nice secluded place to go and have a good cry.

DGM · 14th August 2008, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by 1337m4n

Has JREF done anything to stop your "New Investigation" from happening?

Nope. The investigations have been going on since the attacks and are likely to continue for many years.

As far as what the "truthers" think they want? Who gives a fat rats ****.

parky76 · 14th August 2008, 05:16 PM

JREF is just a website full of discussion forums. we havent done anything to prevent a new investigation. the american people dont want, dont need it, and wont allow it.

MIKILLINI · 14th August 2008, 05:16 PM

The correct answer to the question is no.
In fact, truthers would have been saved from many embarrassing moments if they understood all of the evidence sources available to compare against all the CT's they hang onto.

R.Mackey · 14th August 2008, 11:06 PM

I've spent a lot of time here trying to educate others on what the current results really are. That way, perhaps we can avoid duplication of effort, and I suppose in some screwed-up world view that could be viewed as "preventing a new investigation."

There's no point investigating if one won't even take the trouble to understand what is already known. Pretty simple concept.

Hokulele · 14th August 2008, 11:18 PM

I can't understand the obsession with monolithic entities the CTists seem to have. It is as if they believe there was one investigation (untrue), there is one coherent US government (untrue), and there is one "official theory" (untrue). Is the world really that simple in their minds?

CFLarsen · 14th August 2008, 11:55 PM

Please distinguish between "JREF" and "members on the JREF Forum".

Mobyseven · 15th August 2008, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

Please distinguish between "JREF" and "members on the JREF Forum".

True. The JREF sure hasn't done anything to stop a "New Investigation". The members of the JREF forum haven't really either, but there is a distinction.

Caustic Logic · 15th August 2008, 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by R.Mackey

I've spent a lot of time here trying to educate others on what the current results really are. That way, perhaps we can avoid duplication of effort, and I suppose in some screwed-up world view that could be viewed as "preventing a new investigation."

There's no point investigating if one won't even take the trouble to understand what is already known. Pretty simple concept.

That's pretty much it... I failed to tune into the Superbowl - could the teams please reassemble and re-play it? No, I don't have time to watch the recordings of it... the burden is on the teams to do it all over for me until I'm convinced the so-and-so's really won. DUH!

Actually, to keep the metaphor going, some researchers have watched the tapes and misinterpreted almost every play to create a false narrative thus requiring a new re-play for the dolts who can't bother coming to their own informed conclusions.

I would support an investigation into valid remaining questions except two things:
1) If these fail to prove anything significantly different from what we already know, it's a waste.
2) If they do stumble on the previously missed threads that unravel something really interesting or sinister, it will mysteriously fail, or something, like the whole staff killed by a plane crashing into the building (ruled accident this time)...

I just don't feel it's an official investigation type issue at this point. Citizens need to educate themselves and each other. I guess that's kind of what's going on.

AJM8125 · 15th August 2008, 01:38 AM

Why are truthers hostile against JREF, its members and debunkers in general? Easily explained:

We're the only ones who pay attention to them anymore.

Dave Rogers · 15th August 2008, 05:37 AM

On a more subtle level, I think we're blocking them from their new investigation simply by existing. It works like this:

In the conspiracist world view, there is clearly visible evidence of the conspiracies that go on all around them. The only reason this evidence is unremarked upon is that the majority of the population are too complacent to view the official stories presented to them with a healthy skepticism. The conspiracy theorists are, therefore, the only ones to have evaluated the information objectively. Anyone else of even moderate intelligence will inevitably, once they are convinced of the possibility of there being a conspiracy, be able to determine for themselves that the claims of the conspiracists are substantially correct.

There are two slightly tricky problems with this world view. One is that, in particular with respect to 9-11, there are multiple competing conspiracy theories. These are in general mutually exclusive, so to the conspiracist only their own theory can, and must, be true. All other competing conspiracy theories must therefore be viewed as not only false, but deliberately false; it's critical to the world view that the evidence supporting the one true conspiracy is conclusive. Therefore, conspiracists believe that other conspiracy theories than their own are disinformation sponsored by the conspiracy, hence they can use this inconsistency to bolster their world view. They are aided in this by the fact that all the disinformation theories are so easily shown to be absurd. This is why some quite decent 9-11 debunking has been done by the proponents of other conspiracy theories.

The other problem, though, is the debunking movement. If we really exist as a genuine section of the population, we cannot be accommodated into the conspiracist world view. We are well-educated, intelligent individuals who have examined the evidence objectively and come to the conclusion that there is no conspiracy; such people cannot exist. We must therefore be part of the disinformation movement, presenting false information to discredit the work of those who have uncovered the real truth.

Unfortunately, there is a problem with that. Our arguments tend not to be characterised by gaping holes in lines of reasoning, logical fallacies or outright deception. The best the conspiracy theorists can do in disputing our position is to claim that in certain areas we cannot conclusively prove them wrong. Some still manage to believe that we are an army of sockpuppets, or that we are all paid agents of the conspiracy, but the more rational understand on some level that this is a good example of Ryan Mackey's inflationary model.

So what we are doing to block a new investigation is serving as an impediment to cognitive dissonance. The conspiracy theorists can't ignore us, because by existing we refute their world view. Nor can they dismiss us as disinformation, because our arguments are too persistent and well-formed to discard out of hand. Therefore, before they can do anything else, they have to convert us, to affirm their own world view. And that is the thing they simply can't do, and as far as I can tell have never done. As long as we still exist, they're unable to move on; they just keep coming back here, like moths round a candle flame, and crashing and burning in the same way.

Dave

CptColumbo · 15th August 2008, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

Please distinguish between "JREF" and "members on the JREF Forum".

Yes. Very few people here are actually involved in the daily activities of the James Randi Educational Foundation and last I heard Randi doesn't like talking about CTs.

Foolmewunz · 15th August 2008, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Caustic Logic

That's pretty much it... I failed to tune into the Superbowl - could the teams please reassemble and re-play it? No, I don't have time to watch the recordings of it... the burden is on the teams to do it all over for me until I'm convinced the so-and-so's really won. DUH!

Actually, to keep the metaphor going, some researchers have watched the tapes and misinterpreted almost every play to create a false narrative thus requiring a new re-play for the dolts who can't bother coming to their own informed conclusions.

Actually to keep the Superbowl metaphor going....

A billion persons saw the game. I saw the game. You saw the game. We all saw the game. Go Giants! And the newspapers ran the stories, as did the newscasts, and the whole world got read about all the little things they didn't see, but none of those little things included, "The Patriots Really Won", which is how radical the truther rewrite of the story would be.

Troofer Light: They'd just send out fourteen web warriors to ask every forum known to mankind if anyone REALLY believed that an undefeated team had lost to a bunch of uneducated untrained Jew Yawkers? Is it just a coincidence that 4000 Giant fans didn't show up for work the next day? Hmm?

Ace & Judy: The game was never played. Everyone on both teams, in both teams' organizations, in the stands, streets and parking lots was duped by CGI.

CIT: Coming Soon - the PatrioCon. We have four guys who can testify that although they were blocked by a fat guy from Milwaukee with a wedge of cheese on his head distinctly saw the flight path of that fourth quarter miracle play go directly North of the goal post. What we had was a drone ball launched from Cape Canaveral so that it distracted everyone while the real ball did a flyover.

The Professional Heavyhitter Nutbars: Sofia, Griffin, Fetzer, et al.... They will describe the game to us, in detail, but insist that none of what we saw was true because Calvinball http://www.simplych.com/cb_rules.htm rules had been called.

Dylan and friendz.... They'll just take snippets of all of the above, put it to hip hop and cash in on the droids.

As to the OP, the answer is NO. Neither the Foundation nor the Forums. Would that we had such omnipotency! The first thing I'd stop is TMers posting here, or other forums/websites. We can't even prevent them from flapping their gums in our own backyard - how could we stop them from getting a new investigation going?

WildCat · 15th August 2008, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

Is the world really that simple in their minds?

It's a simple world for simple people.

MIKILLINI · 15th August 2008, 03:01 PM

The only thing preventing the truth movement from their new "investigation" is downright solid, compelling evidence of absolute facts that overshadow and dispute the already available evidence.
Just one simple piece of advice for what's left of the truth movement.

eromitlab · 15th August 2008, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by AJM8125

Why are truthers hostile against JREF, its members and debunkers in general? Easily explained:

We're the only ones who pay attention to them anymore.

Also, proving (or feebly attempting to prove) anonymous posters with opposing viewpoints wrong on the Internet is more vital to our nation than actually doing something about what they claim.

As for the OP, we've all sidetracked their new investigation™ by not agreeing blindly with the need for it. Those big-brained non-sheeple now have to spend their valuable investigating time convincing us via lies and insults that we need to support the new investigation™ and continue to spread the word.

Caustic Logic · 15th August 2008, 05:27 PM

Maybe they're just that democratic that they feel everyone must agree before an investigation is commenced. But then is it needed?

Or they're just really insecure and can't go on unless everyone agrees or supports them.

Why must JREFfers and such keep not agreeing? This is blocking the investigation!

twinstead · 15th August 2008, 09:52 PM

The lack of 'truther' input in a thread like this is telling...

1337m4n · 15th August 2008, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by twinstead

The lack of 'truther' input in a thread like this is telling...

It's understandable, I suppose. Nobody likes to admit that the lack of progress towards one's goals is entirely one's own fault.

Travis · 16th August 2008, 06:03 AM

I'm telling you the whole New Investigation thing is a MacGuffin. They don't really want it because they'd rather speculate and argue. Getting actual answers is just no fun.

GeeMack · 16th August 2008, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by twinstead

The lack of 'truther' input in a thread like this is telling...

Rather like the Truthers' total inability to offer any evidence in the "Post your evidence that WTC was destroyed by demolition" thread.

Originally Posted by 1337m4n

It's understandable, I suppose. Nobody likes to admit that the lack of progress towards one's goals is entirely one's own fault.

Zero progress. Zero evidence. Interesting that any sane intelligent person would continue to buy into that wacky CT conjecture. Or maybe none do.

14th August 2008, 03:44 PM	#1
1337m4n Alphanumeric Anonymous Stick Man Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3,017	Has JREF done anything to stop your "New Investigation" from happening? So, you say you want a New Investigation^TM? When we point out to you that it will never happen, and even if it did, that it would be a stupid, pointless waste of time and money, you get angry at us. Why is this? Have we done anything to stop your New Investigation^TM from happening? Have we stopped you from presenting your evidence to the media and scientific organizations? Have we stopped you from calling or e-mailing witnesses and first responders? Have we stopped you from contacting your congressman? Have any of us driven to your house to physically rip to shreds that petition for a New Investigation^TM that you have been collecting signatures for during the past 7+ years? Well? I'm just curious. You get angry at me; you think I am a bad evil person because I oppose this New Investigation^TM, but in reality I have not done one single thing to stop it from happening. And I give you my assurances that I will continue to do absolutely nothing to stop it from happening. So why direct your anger towards me? Blaming JREF will get you nowhere; we have done nothing to stop you and we never will. Perhaps the person you should be blaming, is the person who keeps on talking and talking about a New Investigation^TM, yet does nothing to bring it about but whine on the Internet. Perhaps you should be blaming yourself. --------- (Note: "You" does not refer to any one particular person, but to any and all readers who claim to be proponents of a New Investigation^TM)
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14th August 2008, 04:09 PM	#3
jaydeehess Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles from the border Posts: 4,961	I just keep seeing the postings on PfT about new investigations and getting answers and noting that they are stotic (or stubborn) in their refusal to change the way they are going about trying to get those things done. They choose, as 1337m4n says, to mostly whine on the Internet. They do one other thing of course, they send off accusatory press releases, they phone and brow beat the NTSB but what they will not do, and cannot risk doing, is write up a purely technical paper explaining how they come to the conclusion that the Flight 77 FDR data describes a flight path that is significantly different that that described by the physical evidence (downed lamp posts, path of destruction in the Pentagon) of the path of the aircraft.
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14th August 2008, 04:19 PM	#4
16.5 Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,021	Originally Posted by jaydeehess I just keep seeing the postings on PfT about new investigations and getting answers and noting that they are stotic (or stubborn) in their refusal to change the way they are going about trying to get those things done. They choose, as 1337m4n says, to mostly whine on the Internet. They also write "one of the most ludicrous emails we've ever received." Giggle! Give them IP Numbers so that they may bask in PFFT's MIGHTY GLORY! Silly "terrorists."
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14th August 2008, 04:30 PM	#5
jaydeehess Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 40 miles from the border Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by 16.5 They also write "one of the most ludicrous emails we've ever received." Giggle! Give them IP Numbers so that they may bask in PFFT's MIGHTY GLORY! Silly "terrorists." I saw the ban notice you refer to and the reply from PfT. ol' Robby is realk good at calling 'traitor' on anyone who disagrees with him (not to mention assuring them that when the revolution comes he'll glady pull the trigger at one's execution) but point out that he is excusing the people whom we know carried out the attacks thus making him a comrade of theirs, a terrorist, and he starts sputtering. I hope he found a nice secluded place to go and have a good cry.
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14th August 2008, 05:10 PM	#6
DGM Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5,301	Originally Posted by 1337m4n Has JREF done anything to stop your "New Investigation" from happening? Nope. The investigations have been going on since the attacks and are likely to continue for many years. As far as what the "truthers" think they want? Who gives a fat rats ****.
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14th August 2008, 03:56 PM	#2
mrbaracuda Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,799	1337m4n! Uh, yea, I suppose JREF has saved many souls from being sucked into the brain-void the twoof is!

14th August 2008, 05:16 PM	#7
parky76 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15,488	JREF is just a website full of discussion forums. we havent done anything to prevent a new investigation. the american people dont want, dont need it, and wont allow it.

14th August 2008, 05:16 PM	#8
MIKILLINI Incromulent Logic Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Illini State Posts: 1,906	The correct answer to the question is no. In fact, truthers would have been saved from many embarrassing moments if they understood all of the evidence sources available to compare against all the CT's they hang onto.
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14th August 2008, 11:06 PM	#9
R.Mackey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The armpit of L.A. Posts: 5,906	I've spent a lot of time here trying to educate others on what the current results really are. That way, perhaps we can avoid duplication of effort, and I suppose in some screwed-up world view that could be viewed as "preventing a new investigation." There's no point investigating if one won't even take the trouble to understand what is already known. Pretty simple concept.
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14th August 2008, 11:18 PM	#10
Hokulele Official Nemesis TLA Dictatrix Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: To be determined. Posts: 21,339	I can't understand the obsession with monolithic entities the CTists seem to have. It is as if they believe there was one investigation (untrue), there is one coherent US government (untrue), and there is one "official theory" (untrue). Is the world really that simple in their minds?
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14th August 2008, 11:55 PM	#11
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,805	Please distinguish between "JREF" and "members on the JREF Forum".
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15th August 2008, 01:04 AM	#12
Mobyseven President of Covert-Ops Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Not the Rat. Posts: 5,517	Originally Posted by CFLarsen Please distinguish between "JREF" and "members on the JREF Forum". True. The JREF sure hasn't done anything to stop a "New Investigation". The members of the JREF forum haven't really either, but there is a distinction.
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15th August 2008, 01:32 AM	#13
Caustic Logic Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,711	Originally Posted by R.Mackey I've spent a lot of time here trying to educate others on what the current results really are. That way, perhaps we can avoid duplication of effort, and I suppose in some screwed-up world view that could be viewed as "preventing a new investigation." There's no point investigating if one won't even take the trouble to understand what is already known. Pretty simple concept. That's pretty much it... I failed to tune into the Superbowl - could the teams please reassemble and re-play it? No, I don't have time to watch the recordings of it... the burden is on the teams to do it all over for me until I'm convinced the so-and-so's really won. DUH! Actually, to keep the metaphor going, some researchers have watched the tapes and misinterpreted almost every play to create a false narrative thus requiring a new re-play for the dolts who can't bother coming to their own informed conclusions. I would support an investigation into valid remaining questions except two things: 1) If these fail to prove anything significantly different from what we already know, it's a waste. 2) If they do stumble on the previously missed threads that unravel something really interesting or sinister, it will mysteriously fail, or something, like the whole staff killed by a plane crashing into the building (ruled accident this time)... I just don't feel it's an official investigation type issue at this point. Citizens need to educate themselves and each other. I guess that's kind of what's going on.

15th August 2008, 01:38 AM	#14
AJM8125 Untitled Nefarious Henchman Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 6,588	Why are truthers hostile against JREF, its members and debunkers in general? Easily explained: We're the only ones who pay attention to them anymore.

15th August 2008, 05:37 AM	#15
Dave Rogers The Unbanned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Notlob Posts: 8,009	On a more subtle level, I think we're blocking them from their new investigation simply by existing. It works like this: In the conspiracist world view, there is clearly visible evidence of the conspiracies that go on all around them. The only reason this evidence is unremarked upon is that the majority of the population are too complacent to view the official stories presented to them with a healthy skepticism. The conspiracy theorists are, therefore, the only ones to have evaluated the information objectively. Anyone else of even moderate intelligence will inevitably, once they are convinced of the possibility of there being a conspiracy, be able to determine for themselves that the claims of the conspiracists are substantially correct. There are two slightly tricky problems with this world view. One is that, in particular with respect to 9-11, there are multiple competing conspiracy theories. These are in general mutually exclusive, so to the conspiracist only their own theory can, and must, be true. All other competing conspiracy theories must therefore be viewed as not only false, but deliberately false; it's critical to the world view that the evidence supporting the one true conspiracy is conclusive. Therefore, conspiracists believe that other conspiracy theories than their own are disinformation sponsored by the conspiracy, hence they can use this inconsistency to bolster their world view. They are aided in this by the fact that all the disinformation theories are so easily shown to be absurd. This is why some quite decent 9-11 debunking has been done by the proponents of other conspiracy theories. The other problem, though, is the debunking movement. If we really exist as a genuine section of the population, we cannot be accommodated into the conspiracist world view. We are well-educated, intelligent individuals who have examined the evidence objectively and come to the conclusion that there is no conspiracy; such people cannot exist. We must therefore be part of the disinformation movement, presenting false information to discredit the work of those who have uncovered the real truth. Unfortunately, there is a problem with that. Our arguments tend not to be characterised by gaping holes in lines of reasoning, logical fallacies or outright deception. The best the conspiracy theorists can do in disputing our position is to claim that in certain areas we cannot conclusively prove them wrong. Some still manage to believe that we are an army of sockpuppets, or that we are all paid agents of the conspiracy, but the more rational understand on some level that this is a good example of Ryan Mackey's inflationary model. So what we are doing to block a new investigation is serving as an impediment to cognitive dissonance. The conspiracy theorists can't ignore us, because by existing we refute their world view. Nor can they dismiss us as disinformation, because our arguments are too persistent and well-formed to discard out of hand. Therefore, before they can do anything else, they have to convert us, to affirm their own world view. And that is the thing they simply can't do, and as far as I can tell have never done. As long as we still exist, they're unable to move on; they just keep coming back here, like moths round a candle flame, and crashing and burning in the same way. Dave
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15th August 2008, 05:52 AM	#16
CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 7,770	Originally Posted by CFLarsen Please distinguish between "JREF" and "members on the JREF Forum". Yes. Very few people here are actually involved in the daily activities of the James Randi Educational Foundation and last I heard Randi doesn't like talking about CTs.
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15th August 2008, 06:21 AM	#17
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 10,131	Originally Posted by Caustic Logic That's pretty much it... I failed to tune into the Superbowl - could the teams please reassemble and re-play it? No, I don't have time to watch the recordings of it... the burden is on the teams to do it all over for me until I'm convinced the so-and-so's really won. DUH! Actually, to keep the metaphor going, some researchers have watched the tapes and misinterpreted almost every play to create a false narrative thus requiring a new re-play for the dolts who can't bother coming to their own informed conclusions. Actually to keep the Superbowl metaphor going.... A billion persons saw the game. I saw the game. You saw the game. We all saw the game. Go Giants! And the newspapers ran the stories, as did the newscasts, and the whole world got read about all the little things they didn't see, but none of those little things included, "The Patriots Really Won", which is how radical the truther rewrite of the story would be. Troofer Light: They'd just send out fourteen web warriors to ask every forum known to mankind if anyone REALLY believed that an undefeated team had lost to a bunch of uneducated untrained Jew Yawkers? Is it just a coincidence that 4000 Giant fans didn't show up for work the next day? Hmm? Ace & Judy: The game was never played. Everyone on both teams, in both teams' organizations, in the stands, streets and parking lots was duped by CGI. CIT: Coming Soon - the PatrioCon. We have four guys who can testify that although they were blocked by a fat guy from Milwaukee with a wedge of cheese on his head distinctly saw the flight path of that fourth quarter miracle play go directly North of the goal post. What we had was a drone ball launched from Cape Canaveral so that it distracted everyone while the real ball did a flyover. The Professional Heavyhitter Nutbars: Sofia, Griffin, Fetzer, et al.... They will describe the game to us, in detail, but insist that none of what we saw was true because Calvinball http://www.simplych.com/cb_rules.htm rules had been called. Dylan and friendz.... They'll just take snippets of all of the above, put it to hip hop and cash in on the droids. As to the OP, the answer is NO. Neither the Foundation nor the Forums. Would that we had such omnipotency! The first thing I'd stop is TMers posting here, or other forums/websites. We can't even prevent them from flapping their gums in our own backyard - how could we stop them from getting a new investigation going?
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15th August 2008, 06:23 AM	#18
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 24,963	Originally Posted by Hokulele Is the world really that simple in their minds? It's a simple world for simple people.
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15th August 2008, 03:01 PM	#19
MIKILLINI Incromulent Logic Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Illini State Posts: 1,906	The only thing preventing the truth movement from their new "investigation" is downright solid, compelling evidence of absolute facts that overshadow and dispute the already available evidence. Just one simple piece of advice for what's left of the truth movement.
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15th August 2008, 03:38 PM	#20
eromitlab Muse Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: north Alabama Posts: 882	Originally Posted by AJM8125 Why are truthers hostile against JREF, its members and debunkers in general? Easily explained: We're the only ones who pay attention to them anymore. Also, proving (or feebly attempting to prove) anonymous posters with opposing viewpoints wrong on the Internet is more vital to our nation than actually doing something about what they claim. As for the OP, we've all sidetracked their new investigation™ by not agreeing blindly with the need for it. Those big-brained non-sheeple now have to spend their valuable investigating time convincing us via lies and insults that we need to support the new investigation™ and continue to spread the word.
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15th August 2008, 05:27 PM	#21
Caustic Logic Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,711	Maybe they're just that democratic that they feel everyone must agree before an investigation is commenced. But then is it needed? Or they're just really insecure and can't go on unless everyone agrees or supports them. Why must JREFfers and such keep not agreeing? This is blocking the investigation!

15th August 2008, 09:52 PM	#22
twinstead Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 6,513	The lack of 'truther' input in a thread like this is telling...
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15th August 2008, 11:54 PM	#23
1337m4n Alphanumeric Anonymous Stick Man Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3,017	Originally Posted by twinstead The lack of 'truther' input in a thread like this is telling... It's understandable, I suppose. Nobody likes to admit that the lack of progress towards one's goals is entirely one's own fault.
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16th August 2008, 06:03 AM	#24
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 6,834	I'm telling you the whole New Investigation thing is a MacGuffin. They don't really want it because they'd rather speculate and argue. Getting actual answers is just no fun.
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16th August 2008, 07:34 PM	#25
GeeMack Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Not Bandiagara Posts: 1,553	Originally Posted by twinstead The lack of 'truther' input in a thread like this is telling... Rather like the Truthers' total inability to offer any evidence in the "Post your evidence that WTC was destroyed by demolition" thread. Originally Posted by 1337m4n It's understandable, I suppose. Nobody likes to admit that the lack of progress towards one's goals is entirely one's own fault. Zero progress. Zero evidence. Interesting that any sane intelligent person would continue to buy into that wacky CT conjecture. Or maybe none do.