Granny Get Your Gun

Darth Rotor · 20th August 2008, 01:04 PM

I love the Right to Bear Arms. It isn't all about automatic weapons, sometimes it's as simple as cleaning up the neighborhood, or teaching a young fool the meaning of the word respect.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/...22/detail.html

Quote:

Armed 85-Year-Old Makes Intruder Call 911
Teen Suspect In Custody

POINT MARION, Pa. -- A teenage burglary suspect is in custody after an elderly Pennsylvania woman boldly went for her gun, then forced him to call police while she kept him in her sights.

I like Granny's style. Didn't need to shoot him, but was able to use the threat of force to get him into the hands of the police for his burglary stunt.

Well done, ma'am. *tips cap*

DR

ParanoidAndroid · 20th August 2008, 01:10 PM

Beautiful! And, a nice counterpoint to all the occasions wherein con artists get over on the elderly.

WildCat · 20th August 2008, 01:10 PM

According to some here this doesn't count as using a gun for self-defense since she didn't kill him.

COLONEL · 20th August 2008, 01:36 PM

Just her having the gun was enough to scare the kid . I would call that self defense .

GreyICE · 20th August 2008, 02:20 PM

Huh, what's an appropriate response to this?

Step 1: Grab gun
Step 2: Hold up 17 year old robber
Step 3: ?????
Step 4: Profit!

(story is a digg repost)

Kilgore Trout · 20th August 2008, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by GreyICE

Huh, what's an appropriate response to this?

Step 1: Grab gun
Step 2: Hold up 17 year old robber
Step 3: ?????
Step 4: Profit!

(story is a digg repost)

The appropriate response is, most likely, "lulz".

(that step thing with ???? and profit is a 4chan/Anonymous thing.. I don't know the origin, but a bit of googling might find it if you're really curious..)

GreyICE · 20th August 2008, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

The appropriate response is, most likely, "lulz".

(that step thing with ???? and profit is a 4chan/Anonymous thing.. I don't know the origin, but a bit of googling might find it if you're really curious..)

Actually /., but Digg was pretty much a day late and a dollar short on Slashdot until recently.

I do post on Digg reasonably regularly, so I know lulz is totally not a typical response (Memes come and go reasonably quickly there).

fuelair · 20th August 2008, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

According to some here this doesn't count as using a gun for self-defense since she didn't kill him.

I doubt it - even I (who am completely for eliminating any form of home invader) agree she did fine - and did what she can live with.

Mark Felt · 20th August 2008, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

(that step thing with ???? and profit is a 4chan/Anonymous thing.. I don't know the origin, but a bit of googling might find it if you're really curious..)

South Park, the underpants gnomes.

Step 1: Steal Underpants
Step 2: ???
Step 3: PROFIT!

Drudgewire · 20th August 2008, 05:15 PM

Go granny!!

The Fool · 20th August 2008, 05:24 PM

whats the consensus, do we agree that all grannies should pack a handgun?

Wides · 20th August 2008, 05:38 PM

I do think that people should own guns. Do I..? No. I see myself responsible enough to own one. But, i like this story. The kid didn't die, and a tally for responsible gun use.

DoubtingStephen · 20th August 2008, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

I love the Right to Bear Arms. It isn't all about automatic weapons, sometimes it's as simple as cleaning up the neighborhood, or teaching a young fool the meaning of the word respect.

DR

I don't like guns, so I don't own one, but I think the US Constitution is just fine the way it is.

Good for Granny! This young man is very lucky that she was very mature and did not open fire. I hope he has learned a lesson, he sure had a chance to learn something from this experience.

ponderingturtle · 20th August 2008, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

I doubt it - even I (who am completely for eliminating any form of home invader) agree she did fine - and did what she can live with.

How can you say that, it seems that from your past statement she gave up the perfect chance to kill him.

fuelair · 20th August 2008, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

How can you say that, it seems that from your past statement she gave up the perfect chance to kill him.

The fact that I likely would have has no bearing on her. I have no problem doing it, she obviously did - but she kept herself from harm and he got caught- she did fine .. She isn't me, you aren't me and I don't expect you to be or her to be. I am only concerned with my conscience and what I am doing. She did fine by hers, I assume you do fine by yours. I don't think she did wrong by hers and I think you should act according to yours.

ponderingturtle · 20th August 2008, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

The fact that I likely would have has no bearing on her. I have no problem doing it, she obviously did - but she kept herself from harm and he got caught- she did fine .. She isn't me, you aren't me and I don't expect you to be or her to be. I am only concerned with my conscience and what I am doing. She did fine by hers, I assume you do fine by yours. I don't think she did wrong by hers and I think you should act according to yours.

So why do people act like honor killings and ther acts of personal conscience are such bad things.

That is what this country is lacking, personal retribution as the main source of justice. This is why you should hunt down and kill anyone who has wronged you, because you never know when they will be back.

WildCat · 20th August 2008, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

I doubt it - even I (who am completely for eliminating any form of home invader) agree she did fine - and did what she can live with.

It was a reference to the old gun-grabber tactic of comparing actual shooting deaths of intruders to numbers of suicides and homicides of "acquaintances" to "prove" that guns have little use for self-defense. As if the only way to use a gun for defense of life and property is to actually shoot someone.

WildCat · 20th August 2008, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by The Fool

whats the consensus, do we agree that all grannies should pack a handgun?

All grannies who want one and are legally allowed to.

But I note that you believe you have such a weak case that a strawman argument is in order.

GreyICE · 20th August 2008, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

So why do people act like honor killings and ther acts of personal conscience are such bad things.

That is what this country is lacking, personal retribution as the main source of justice. This is why you should hunt down and kill anyone who has wronged you, because you never know when they will be back.

Does it ever occur to anyone, in the middle of typing some gigantic strawman "Hey, maybe if there wasn't a flaw in my argument, I wouldn't need to type this?"

BPSCG · 21st August 2008, 06:48 AM

Am I the only one who noticed she held him at bay with a .22?

WildCat · 21st August 2008, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Am I the only one who noticed she held him at bay with a .22?

A man with a .22 nearly killed James Brady and Ronald Reagan... I sure wouldn't want to get shot with one.

Darat · 21st August 2008, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

According to some here this doesn't count as using a gun for self-defense since she didn't kill him.

Guns don't defend people do....

Darat · 21st August 2008, 07:20 AM

Should add "Good for you granny!"

(Doesn't mean that I don't still think all you 'merikans are gun-wielding-psychopathic-warmongering-bloodthirsty-barbarians.)

GreyICE · 21st August 2008, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Should add "Good for you granny!"

(Doesn't mean that I don't still think all you 'merikans are gun-wielding-psychopathic-warmongering-bloodthirsty-barbarians.)

Yeah, I guess defending yourself isn't very British. It occurs to me that while the French are famous for surrendering or running away, the best accomplishments of the British are standing still where the French surrendered or ran away and saying "Jolly good show mate, oh dear, I guess I've been shot. Well, anything for olde England. Have a spot of tea and crumpets before you bury me, pip pip, cheerio."

noch1Narr · 21st August 2008, 07:47 AM

GreyIce, that jingoistic tirade was uncalled for!

fuelair · 21st August 2008, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Am I the only one who noticed she held him at bay with a .22?

A low caliber just changes where you aim the first shot - if you need to shoot.

sackett · 21st August 2008, 07:53 AM

was her making the punk do the phoning. That obviates the awkwardness of holding a gun, keeping your eyes on the guest of honor, and punching in numbers all at the same time. That part has always worried me when gaming this scenario. Believe I'd have just crippled him (a couple of shattered kneecaps never hurt anybody, and these young ones heal fast) and then taken up the phone.

The question arises: If he let her walk right by him, why didn't she walk to the phone instead of her gun? Oh well, I think she prioritized her tasks pretty competently.

DoubtingStephen · 21st August 2008, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

(Doesn't mean that I don't still think all you 'merikans are gun-wielding-psychopathic-warmongering-bloodthirsty-barbarians.)

Thank you for noticing!

BPSCG · 21st August 2008, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

A man with a .22 nearly killed James Brady and Ronald Reagan... I sure wouldn't want to get shot with one.

Rephrased: A man with a .22 shot James Brady in the head and Brady still lived.

If punk had simply turned tail and fled, he'd probably have been just fine, unless granny spends lots of time sharpening her skills on the firing range.

'Course, that might have encouraged him to break into a house owned by an angry guy who keeps a .45 at his bedside. So maybe he did himself a favor by letting granny bust him.

(I love this story...)

Mark Felt · 21st August 2008, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by GreyICE

Yeah, I guess defending yourself isn't very British. It occurs to me that while the French are famous for surrendering or running away, the best accomplishments of the British are standing still where the French surrendered or ran away and saying "Jolly good show mate, oh dear, I guess I've been shot. Well, anything for olde England. Have a spot of tea and crumpets before you bury me, pip pip, cheerio."

Yeah, I hear the French didn't help some guys in North America secede from the British a couple hundred years ago or anything.

Aoidoi · 21st August 2008, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by GreyICE

Does it ever occur to anyone, in the middle of typing some gigantic strawman "Hey, maybe if there wasn't a flaw in my argument, I wouldn't need to type this?"

Of course. You can tell by all the posts that aren't made.

Gagglegnash · 21st August 2008, 04:13 PM

Hi

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Am I the only one who noticed she held him at bay with a .22?

In South Africa, the guys that hunted marauding lions used to use .22s.

The lion, like the human being, is a thin-skinned animal, and a .22 will do an admirable job of perforating it. A friend of mine has a mounted jaguar skin, a memento of his time spent in Africa, with a .22 hole in its chest.

That jaguar regrets being shot with a .22. So would I.

Originally Posted by GreyICE

Yeah, I guess defending yourself isn't very British. It occurs to me that while the French are famous for surrendering or running away, the best accomplishments of the British are standing still where the French surrendered or ran away and saying "Jolly good show mate, oh dear, I guess I've been shot. Well, anything for olde England. Have a spot of tea and crumpets before you bury me, pip pip, cheerio."

When was that?

I remember something along the lines of, "we shall fight them [on|in] the [large number of venues]," and Brits smelting iron, refining steel, and machining and manufacturing Sten guns in their collective back yards.

gtc · 21st August 2008, 06:49 PM

Contrast that with this case; an Australian man used a sjambok whip to clear out a bunch of hooligans who were trying to storm his house to gatecrash his party. He is now being investigated by the police to see if he used excessive force (this is not the same as being charged or convicted of using excessive force). The police say that he should have left it them to handle. However, would they have been able to respond in time?

luchog · 21st August 2008, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Gagglegnash

I remember something along the lines of, "we shall fight them [on|in] the [large number of venues]," and Brits smelting iron, refining steel, and machining and manufacturing Sten guns in their collective back yards.

Yeah, but you almost never hear them brag about having done so.

"The British are an oddly masochistic people. They loudly proclaim their defeats, and are profoundly embarrased by their victories." (attribution lost).

The only time they're ever admit to winning is when it's a bloody, Pyrrhic victory that costs them far more than it costs their foes.

Originally Posted by Mark Felt

Yeah, I hear the French didn't help some guys in North America secede from the British a couple hundred years ago or anything.

They contributed some; but it's only fair considering what a huge percentage of the British forces were German mercenaries; being that the British forces just couldn't handle a bunch of rag-tag colonials, despite having soundly trounced the colonial militias in the first few months of the conflict. It's a perfect example of the almost miraculous ability of their aristocratic officer class to snatch defeat from the very jaws of victory.

Darth Rotor · 21st August 2008, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by antiChrister

GreyIce, that jingoistic tirade was uncalled for!

It was most certainly called for, as a humorous riposte to Darat's silly jingoistic, and humorous, tid bit.

Unpucker the sphincter, if you please. A Tucks(TM) if you need it.

DR

Ysidro · 21st August 2008, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

It was most certainly called for, as a humorous riposte to Darat's silly jingoistic, and humorous, tid bit.

Unpucker the sphincter, if you please. A Tucks(TM) if you need it.

DR

You know, I'm wondering if you might not be the one to be taking things a bit too seriously.

But then I wonder if I'm not the one doing so right now. And if someone replies to this then I'll wonder if they.... ugh, this could go on forever!

gtc · 21st August 2008, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Ysidro

You know, I'm wondering if you might not be the one to be taking things a bit too seriously.

But then I wonder if I'm not the one doing so right now. And if someone replies to this then I'll wonder if they.... ugh, this could go on forever!

Oh My.

Did you just say that?

I can't believe you just said that.

Am I dreaming or did Ysidro really say that?

Undesired Walrus · 22nd August 2008, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by GreyICE

Yeah, I guess defending yourself isn't very British. It occurs to me that while the French are famous for surrendering or running away, the best accomplishments of the British are standing still where the French surrendered or ran away and saying "Jolly good show mate, oh dear, I guess I've been shot. Well, anything for olde England. Have a spot of tea and crumpets before you bury me, pip pip, cheerio."

I guess we are too busy learning modern history without our fellow, acne-ridden (And angst-ridden!) classmates blowing our chests out with sawn-off shotguns.

Darat · 22nd August 2008, 01:41 AM

After congratulating the Granny for what she did I would have thought that my follow on sentence was obviously just an attempt at humour...

Marquis de Carabas · 22nd August 2008, 01:47 AM

Yes, it was obviously just an attempt.

20th August 2008, 01:04 PM	#1
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,255	Granny Get Your Gun I love the Right to Bear Arms. It isn't all about automatic weapons, sometimes it's as simple as cleaning up the neighborhood, or teaching a young fool the meaning of the word respect. http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/...22/detail.html Quote: Armed 85-Year-Old Makes Intruder Call 911 *Teen Suspect In Custody* POINT MARION, Pa. -- A teenage burglary suspect is in custody after an elderly Pennsylvania woman boldly went for her gun, then forced him to call police while she kept him in her sights. I like Granny's style. Didn't need to shoot him, but was able to use the threat of force to get him into the hands of the police for his burglary stunt. Well done, ma'am. tips cap DR
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20th August 2008, 01:10 PM	#2
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20th August 2008, 01:36 PM	#4
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20th August 2008, 02:20 PM	#5
GreyICE Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,173	Huh, what's an appropriate response to this? Step 1: Grab gun Step 2: Hold up 17 year old robber Step 3: ????? Step 4: Profit! (story is a digg repost)
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20th August 2008, 02:55 PM	#6
Kilgore Trout Wuse Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tralfamadore Posts: 1,443	Originally Posted by GreyICE Huh, what's an appropriate response to this? Step 1: Grab gun Step 2: Hold up 17 year old robber Step 3: ????? Step 4: Profit! (story is a digg repost) The appropriate response is, most likely, "lulz". (that step thing with ???? and profit is a 4chan/Anonymous thing.. I don't know the origin, but a bit of googling might find it if you're really curious..)
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20th August 2008, 01:10 PM	#3
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,996	According to some here this doesn't count as using a gun for self-defense since she didn't kill him.

20th August 2008, 03:13 PM	#7
GreyICE Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,173	Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout The appropriate response is, most likely, "lulz". (that step thing with ???? and profit is a 4chan/Anonymous thing.. I don't know the origin, but a bit of googling might find it if you're really curious..) Actually /., but Digg was pretty much a day late and a dollar short on Slashdot until recently. I do post on Digg reasonably regularly, so I know lulz is totally not a typical response (Memes come and go reasonably quickly there).
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20th August 2008, 03:17 PM	#8
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,914	Originally Posted by WildCat According to some here this doesn't count as using a gun for self-defense since she didn't kill him. I doubt it - even I (who am completely for eliminating any form of home invader) agree she did fine - and did what she can live with.
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20th August 2008, 03:27 PM	#9
Mark Felt Muse Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 518	Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout (that step thing with ???? and profit is a 4chan/Anonymous thing.. I don't know the origin, but a bit of googling might find it if you're really curious..) South Park, the underpants gnomes. Step 1: Steal Underpants Step 2: ??? Step 3: PROFIT!
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20th August 2008, 05:15 PM	#10
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20th August 2008, 05:24 PM	#11
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20th August 2008, 05:38 PM	#12
Wides Scholar Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 122	I do think that people should own guns. Do I..? No. I see myself responsible enough to own one. But, i like this story. The kid didn't die, and a tally for responsible gun use.
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20th August 2008, 05:57 PM	#13
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20th August 2008, 06:08 PM	#14
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 26,424	Originally Posted by fuelair I doubt it - even I (who am completely for eliminating any form of home invader) agree she did fine - and did what she can live with. How can you say that, it seems that from your past statement she gave up the perfect chance to kill him.
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20th August 2008, 06:18 PM	#15
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,914	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle How can you say that, it seems that from your past statement she gave up the perfect chance to kill him. The fact that I likely would have has no bearing on her. I have no problem doing it, she obviously did - but she kept herself from harm and he got caught- she did fine .. She isn't me, you aren't me and I don't expect you to be or her to be. I am only concerned with my conscience and what I am doing. She did fine by hers, I assume you do fine by yours. I don't think she did wrong by hers and I think you should act according to yours.
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20th August 2008, 06:31 PM	#16
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 26,424	Originally Posted by fuelair The fact that I likely would have has no bearing on her. I have no problem doing it, she obviously did - but she kept herself from harm and he got caught- she did fine .. She isn't me, you aren't me and I don't expect you to be or her to be. I am only concerned with my conscience and what I am doing. She did fine by hers, I assume you do fine by yours. I don't think she did wrong by hers and I think you should act according to yours. So why do people act like honor killings and ther acts of personal conscience are such bad things. That is what this country is lacking, personal retribution as the main source of justice. This is why you should hunt down and kill anyone who has wronged you, because you never know when they will be back.
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20th August 2008, 07:18 PM	#17
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,996	Originally Posted by fuelair I doubt it - even I (who am completely for eliminating any form of home invader) agree she did fine - and did what she can live with. It was a reference to the old gun-grabber tactic of comparing actual shooting deaths of intruders to numbers of suicides and homicides of "acquaintances" to "prove" that guns have little use for self-defense. As if the only way to use a gun for defense of life and property is to actually shoot someone.

20th August 2008, 07:19 PM	#18
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,996	Originally Posted by The Fool whats the consensus, do we agree that all grannies should pack a handgun? All grannies who want one and are legally allowed to. But I note that you believe you have such a weak case that a strawman argument is in order.

20th August 2008, 07:27 PM	#19
GreyICE Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,173	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle So why do people act like honor killings and ther acts of personal conscience are such bad things. That is what this country is lacking, personal retribution as the main source of justice. This is why you should hunt down and kill anyone who has wronged you, because you never know when they will be back. Does it ever occur to anyone, in the middle of typing some gigantic strawman "Hey, maybe if there wasn't a flaw in my argument, I wouldn't need to type this?"
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21st August 2008, 06:48 AM	#20
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21st August 2008, 07:12 AM	#21
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,996	Originally Posted by BPSCG Am I the only one who noticed she held him at bay with a .22? A man with a .22 nearly killed James Brady and Ronald Reagan... I sure wouldn't want to get shot with one.

21st August 2008, 07:16 AM	#22
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,770	Originally Posted by WildCat According to some here this doesn't count as using a gun for self-defense since she didn't kill him. Guns don't defend people do....
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21st August 2008, 07:20 AM	#23
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,770	Should add "Good for you granny!" (Doesn't mean that I don't still think all you 'merikans are gun-wielding-psychopathic-warmongering-bloodthirsty-barbarians.)
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21st August 2008, 07:36 AM	#24
GreyICE Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,173	Originally Posted by Darat Should add "Good for you granny!" (Doesn't mean that I don't still think all you 'merikans are gun-wielding-psychopathic-warmongering-bloodthirsty-barbarians.) Yeah, I guess defending yourself isn't very British. It occurs to me that while the French are famous for surrendering or running away, the best accomplishments of the British are standing still where the French surrendered or ran away and saying "Jolly good show mate, oh dear, I guess I've been shot. Well, anything for olde England. Have a spot of tea and crumpets before you bury me, pip pip, cheerio."
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21st August 2008, 07:47 AM	#25
noch1Narr Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,809	GreyIce, that jingoistic tirade was uncalled for!
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21st August 2008, 07:49 AM	#26
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,914	Originally Posted by BPSCG Am I the only one who noticed she held him at bay with a .22? A low caliber just changes where you aim the first shot - if you need to shoot.
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21st August 2008, 07:53 AM	#27
sackett Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 3,613	The neat trick was her making the punk do the phoning. That obviates the awkwardness of holding a gun, keeping your eyes on the guest of honor, and punching in numbers all at the same time. That part has always worried me when gaming this scenario. Believe I'd have just crippled him (a couple of shattered kneecaps never hurt anybody, and these young ones heal fast) and then taken up the phone. The question arises: If he let her walk right by him, why didn't she walk to the phone instead of her gun? Oh well, I think she prioritized her tasks pretty competently.
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21st August 2008, 08:01 AM	#28
DoubtingStephen Queer Propagandist Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,548	Originally Posted by Darat (Doesn't mean that I don't still think all you 'merikans are gun-wielding-psychopathic-warmongering-bloodthirsty-barbarians.) Thank you for noticing!
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21st August 2008, 08:24 AM	#29
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by WildCat A man with a .22 nearly killed James Brady and Ronald Reagan... I sure wouldn't want to get shot with one. Rephrased: A man with a .22 shot James Brady in the head and Brady *still* lived. If punk had simply turned tail and fled, he'd probably have been just fine, unless granny spends lots of time sharpening her skills on the firing range. 'Course, that might have encouraged him to break into a house owned by an angry guy who keeps a .45 at his bedside. So maybe he did himself a favor by letting granny bust him. (I love this story...)
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21st August 2008, 12:07 PM	#30
Mark Felt Muse Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 518	Originally Posted by GreyICE Yeah, I guess defending yourself isn't very British. It occurs to me that while the French are famous for surrendering or running away, the best accomplishments of the British are standing still where the French surrendered or ran away and saying "Jolly good show mate, oh dear, I guess I've been shot. Well, anything for olde England. Have a spot of tea and crumpets before you bury me, pip pip, cheerio." Yeah, I hear the French didn't help some guys in North America secede from the British a couple hundred years ago or anything.
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21st August 2008, 01:07 PM	#31
Aoidoi Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,417	Originally Posted by GreyICE Does it ever occur to anyone, in the middle of typing some gigantic strawman "Hey, maybe if there wasn't a flaw in my argument, I wouldn't need to type this?" Of course. You can tell by all the posts that aren't made.
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21st August 2008, 04:13 PM	#32
Gagglegnash Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,447	Hi Originally Posted by BPSCG Am I the only one who noticed she held him at bay with a .22? In South Africa, the guys that hunted marauding lions used to use .22s. The lion, like the human being, is a thin-skinned animal, and a .22 will do an admirable job of perforating it. A friend of mine has a mounted jaguar skin, a memento of his time spent in Africa, with a .22 hole in its chest. That jaguar regrets being shot with a .22. So would I. Originally Posted by GreyICE Yeah, I guess defending yourself isn't very British. It occurs to me that while the French are famous for surrendering or running away, the best accomplishments of the British are standing still where the French surrendered or ran away and saying "Jolly good show mate, oh dear, I guess I've been shot. Well, anything for olde England. Have a spot of tea and crumpets before you bury me, pip pip, cheerio." When was that? I remember something along the lines of, "we shall fight them [on\|in] the [large number of venues]," and Brits smelting iron, refining steel, and machining and manufacturing Sten guns in their collective back yards.
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21st August 2008, 06:49 PM	#33
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,114	Contrast that with this case; an Australian man used a sjambok whip to clear out a bunch of hooligans who were trying to storm his house to gatecrash his party. He is now being investigated by the police to see if he used excessive force (this is not the same as being charged or convicted of using excessive force). The police say that he should have left it them to handle. However, would they have been able to respond in time?
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21st August 2008, 09:07 PM	#34
luchog Neo-Post-Retro-Revivalist Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Emerald City Posts: 7,958	Originally Posted by Gagglegnash I remember something along the lines of, "we shall fight them [on\|in] the [large number of venues]," and Brits smelting iron, refining steel, and machining and manufacturing Sten guns in their collective back yards. Yeah, but you almost never hear them brag about having done so. "The British are an oddly masochistic people. They loudly proclaim their defeats, and are profoundly embarrased by their victories." (attribution lost). The only time they're ever admit to winning is when it's a bloody, Pyrrhic victory that costs them far more than it costs their foes. Originally Posted by Mark Felt Yeah, I hear the French didn't help some guys in North America secede from the British a couple hundred years ago or anything. They contributed some; but it's only fair considering what a huge percentage of the British forces were German mercenaries; being that the British forces just couldn't handle a bunch of rag-tag colonials, despite having soundly trounced the colonial militias in the first few months of the conflict. It's a perfect example of the almost miraculous ability of their aristocratic officer class to snatch defeat from the very jaws of victory.
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21st August 2008, 09:21 PM	#35
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,255	Originally Posted by antiChrister GreyIce, that jingoistic tirade was uncalled for! It was most certainly called for, as a humorous riposte to Darat's silly jingoistic, and humorous, tid bit. Unpucker the sphincter, if you please. A Tucks(TM) if you need it. DR
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