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1337m4n · 27th August 2008, 11:13 AM

http://conspiraciesrnotus.blogspot.c...h-not-for.html

Read em' and weep. Straight from one of their own representatives, they flat-out ADMIT that

Quote:

you dont [sic] have to be a firefighter to sign this pledge

Wonderful.

Reminds me of Pilots for Truth's explanation that since pilot is a word for "guide", all Truthers are "pilots", regardless of whether they've actually flown anything or know anything about aviation.

ETA: Also reminds me of Richard Gage's inclusion of "SOFTWARE Engineers" on his AE911Truth list.

T.A.M. · 27th August 2008, 11:14 AM

not surprising. You don't have to be an architect or engineer to join A&E911truth, you don't have to be a scholar to join scholars for 9/11 truth.

It is just a name to lend a false sense of authority to an organization that has none.

TAM

1337m4n · 27th August 2008, 11:32 AM

I just signed up using the name of the Ultramarines Primarch from the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Took all of two minutes (most of which was spent looking up said name).

boloboffin · 27th August 2008, 12:14 PM

You don't have to be a pilot to join Pilots for 9/11 Truth.

You don't have to be concerned with actual truth at all!

T.A.M. · 27th August 2008, 12:18 PM

"non-pilots for 9/11 lies"
"Mathematical Morons for 9/11 bullcrap"

These would be just as valid, based on the admission criteria for the truther groups.

TAM

Alt+F4 · 27th August 2008, 12:31 PM

I blew out a match once, I guess that makes me a firefighter.

leftysergeant · 27th August 2008, 03:17 PM

Looks like I have a mission here.

I guess it would be a bad idea to sign up as Sergeant Mike Rotch, wouldn't it?

Thunder · 27th August 2008, 03:18 PM

Not only do you not have to be a firefighter...you dont have to care about the truth either.

I think Im not gonna join Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth. Im neither an architect nor an engineer..but what do they care? I have a pulse.

Porkpie Hat · 27th August 2008, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Looks like I have a mission here.

I guess it would be a bad idea to sign up as Sergeant Mike Rotch, wouldn't it?

You could try Sargeant Ben Dover.

Jontg · 27th August 2008, 07:18 PM

Oh, god, not here. Seeing that image out of its natural habitat gives me GAFF Raid flashbacks. *shudder*

BigAl · 27th August 2008, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by 1337m4n

http://conspiraciesrnotus.blogspot.c...h-not-for.html

From that URL, I assume this bit is from generic NFPA literature and not specific to WTC. Is that correct? What do I tell the Twoofer that quotes it at me as grounds for a new investigation?

Quote:

NFPA (National Fire Protection Association) 921, which is the National Standard for Fire and Explosion Investigations, very clearly indicates in numerous sections that the possibility of explosives should have been thoroughly investigated. Specifically in NFPA 921 18.3.2 "High Order Damage"

Tweeter · 27th August 2008, 07:51 PM

I fail to find what this thread has to do with 9/11 conspiracies.
Playing childish games and calling yourself mike rotch just show idiotic
you all are. The funny thing is,you are all unwittingly helping the site by visiting it. Carry on.

TheRedWorm · 27th August 2008, 07:58 PM

Don't you find it a little dishonest, Tweeter, that a group that calls itself "Firefighters for 9/11 Truth" doesn't require you to be a firefighter to join?

Tweeter · 27th August 2008, 08:04 PM

Maybe the owner of the site is a fireman. Not everyone here at jref is a magician either.

TheRedWorm · 27th August 2008, 08:05 PM

Yeah, but the JREF is not called Magicians for truth, now is it?

ETA: The name is still "Firefighters for 9/11 Truth."

Cl1mh4224rd · 27th August 2008, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Tweeter

Maybe the owner of the site is a fireman. Not everyone here at jref is a magician either.

Now that's just a stupid thing to say.

...unless you're seeing words in the name of this site that the rest of us aren't. In which case, it wouldn't be stupid; it's be insane. You don't actually see the word "magician" or any of its variants in the name of this site, do you, Tweeter?

I mean, seriously... the obvious way to go would have been, "Not everyone here at JREF is James Randi."

You even fail at trolling. That's just sad.

alex04 · 27th August 2008, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Looks like I have a mission here.

I guess it would be a bad idea to sign up as Sergeant Mike Rotch, wouldn't it?

bahahahaa, were you the one responsible for the Mike Rotch infiltrating 9/11 truth?

1337m4n · 27th August 2008, 08:26 PM

The same person can sign the petition multiple times from the same IP: Confirmed!

WAAAGH!, a firefighter from the fire department known as WAAAGH!, has just signed the petition with the comment "WAAAGH!"

Grizzly Bear · 27th August 2008, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by 1337m4n

The same person can sign the petition multiple times from the same IP: Confirmed!

WAAAGH!, a firefighter from the fire department known as WAAAGH!, has just signed the petition with the comment "WAAAGH!"

Why do I get the feeling that might not be the best thing for credibility in the world?

TS- · 27th August 2008, 08:33 PM

Hate to have two of my posts in a row quasi-unfairly bashing truthers, but:

Originally Posted by parky76

Im neither an architect nor an engineer..but what do they care? I have a pulse.

...I don't believe that last bit is necessary to get you on the site.

WildCat · 27th August 2008, 08:57 PM

#239...

Grizzly Bear · 27th August 2008, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

#239...

Dude that's just wrong man... XD

WildCat · 27th August 2008, 09:04 PM

I don't know if #232 is a joke or not!

eromitlab · 27th August 2008, 09:07 PM

#232... so, Gage swiped his box tower demonstration from a three-year-old? Nice.

Jonnyclueless · 27th August 2008, 09:13 PM

I'm more so amused by the link for single firefighters.

If with all these groups anyone can join, what's the point in having all the separate groups? I mean you that all the same people are all in the same groups. Oh wait. I think I just answered my own question.

Damien Evans · 27th August 2008, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by 1337m4n

I just signed up using the name of the Ultramarines Primarch from the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Took all of two minutes (most of which was spent looking up said name).

I just signed up as Beren, son of Barahir, from the Middle-Earth universe.

Björn Toulouse · 27th August 2008, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tweeter

Maybe the owner of the site is a fireman. Not everyone here at jref is a magician either.

Since I am probably the only one here who doesn't have you on IGNORE, may I ask - does your statement make a point of some sort or are you trying to be funny?

Jontg · 27th August 2008, 10:34 PM

Blood For The Blood God.

Corsair 115 · 28th August 2008, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

I just signed up as Beren, son of Barahir, from the Middle-Earth universe.

Is there any chance that Gordon Freeman did any firefighting prior to his time at Black Mesa? (I still remember his triumphant inclusion in the initial list of members of AE911.)

chillzero · 28th August 2008, 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by Tweeter

I fail to find what this thread has to do with 9/11 conspiracies.
Playing childish games and calling yourself mike rotch just show idiotic
you all are. The funny thing is,you are all unwittingly helping the site by visiting it. Carry on.

Tweeter, perhaps instead of sniping from the sidelines in a poorly disguised attempt to derail another thread, you could discuss the topic, and tell us why you think it is appropriate for a site to call itself 'Firefighters for Truth' and yet not require members to be firefighters?

Don't you find that dishonest?

What this has to do with 911 conspiracies is this. There has been a website set up proclaiming to be dedicated to the 'truth' of 911, and bases that dedication on the respected profession of firefighters. As good skeptics, the guys have gone to look into this - probably particularly as they have so much respect for firefighters, and found it to be flawed.

What do you have to say in defense of this site?

MarkyX · 28th August 2008, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by Tweeter

Maybe the owner of the site is a fireman. Not everyone here at jref is a magician either.

But this isn't a magician site, this is a site for skeptics.

Your logic = flawed.

T.A.M. · 28th August 2008, 04:10 AM

Defense:
The firefighter who set up the site probably has little web experience, and even less with the debunking community, and the fact that they expect such a site to vet the members of said site.

It is a fairly big task, if the site is being run by one or two people, to start tracking down credentials on a site that allows on line registration/sign up.

Prosecution:
If you are gong to set up a site that uses (justly or not) the inherent admiration and authority of the profession of Firefighter, then you should darn well vet your members, or expect to be called on it.

TAM

chillzero · 28th August 2008, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by MarkyX

But this isn't a magician site, this is a site for skeptics.

Well, if you look at the membership you'll have to acknowledge that this is not strictly true either. We like to have all sides involved in discussion. It's why it doesn't say 'skeptics' in the site title any more than it says 'magicians'.

It does say 'Educational', and people's desire or ability to be educated is not something that can be vetted for. Further - if a member has no desire or ability to be educated, the educational part often happens for other people who interact with or read posts by that member.

If any website wants a specific membership, or to imply very heavily in it's site name that it is acting on a specific group's behalf, then as TAM says, it needs to vet the membership - or at least get the blessing of a large portion of that group for the endeavour. I doubt many firefighters would endorse the site in question.

leftysergeant · 28th August 2008, 04:30 AM

Just for the record, I haven't infiltreated yet, so do not think that I am H G Rekshin.

(Do wish I had thought of it, though.)

DC · 28th August 2008, 05:01 AM

Doh-bunkers live!!!

creating faked accounts on websites they dont agree with to discredit the website.

JREF showing its real face.

grats

scissorhands · 28th August 2008, 05:26 AM

Seems like they are following the "pilots for truth" business start up package.
Not long now till you can buy all kinds of "firefighters for 9/11truth" merchandise.
Much trooferbucks to be made.

Totovader · 28th August 2008, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

good to know that JREF is supporting such behavior and actions.

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

shows the realy intellectual honesty on JREF.

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

JREF showing its real face.

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

JREF is supporting it.

Instead of accusing the Great Mythical Multi-headed "JREF" of being... pretty much anything you don't like... why don't you take a minute and recognize what's really going on? A group- claiming to be FIREFIGHTERS and representing your blessed fantasy movement is nothing of the sort, as pointed out by the fact that anyone- including fake and multiple identities can sign up. You should be thanking some of the individuals here who are taking part in this demonstration for exposing yet another group as fraudulent.

But instead, your pathetic fantasy movement is so desperate for attention and membership that you actually get angry when these pathetic specialty groups are exposed as having lax membership policies such that any one or any thing can join as many times as they want. You want the numbers to be inflated and you don't want anyone to ask questions.

How can you possibly think you're on the right side of this if that has to be your policy?

DC · 28th August 2008, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Totovader

Instead of accusing the Great Mythical Multi-headed "JREF" of being... pretty much anything you don't like... why don't you take a minute and recognize what's really going on? A group- claiming to be FIREFIGHTERS and representing your blessed fantasy movement is nothing of the sort, as pointed out by the fact that anyone- including fake and multiple identities can sign up. You should be thanking some of the individuals here who are taking part in this demonstration for exposing yet another group as fraudulent.

But instead, your pathetic fantasy movement is so desperate for attention and membership that you actually get angry when these pathetic specialty groups are exposed as having lax membership policies such that any one or any thing can join as many times as they want. You want the numbers to be inflated and you don't want anyone to ask questions.

How can you possibly think you're on the right side of this if that has to be your policy?

jaja like on JREF where everyone is a pilot and engineer and Nasa scientist etc.... lol

i never said anything good about that new site, i just pointed out in this topic once again you hypocrits, pointing fingers at truthers and say they act like 12 year old kids, while exactly those fingerpointing kiddys go on a website creating accounts with faked data. pathetic.
and the Moderators do even support such actions.

but im sure that website will be happy for the attention you give them.

what a bunch of hyprocrits and wannabe sceptics.

scissorhands · 28th August 2008, 06:39 AM

DC doesnt approve of fraudulent groups being exposed for making claims to support they do not have.
He thinks they should be able to carry on regardless.
Indeed, he tacitly supports their fraudulent activity by intentionally turning a blind eye to it.

Thats the level of dishonesty that marks out the truth movement.

Certain second hand car salesmen have more of a conscience than these guys

.

Grizzly Bear · 28th August 2008, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney

while exactly those fingerpointing kiddys go on a website creating accounts with faked data. pathetic.
and the Moderators do even support such actions.

And what did such activity expose? Whose responsibility is it that there are no holds in place to prevent such horsing around on the website itself? Your typical forum registration uses email validation or administrator approval to curb duplicate accounts, why is the website creator not taking the same measures, this is hardly an issue any more of just a few people here clowning around and exposing this matter in the process, it shows that anyone can sign up multiple times and they aren't even required to be in the field to sign the petition.

I don't have a problem letting others join in supporting the efforts, but seriously if a web author is going to use authority in any field to add credibility to their game then stick with the theme, and they need to demonstrate honesty in the process, something the truth movement often lacks

27th August 2008, 11:13 AM	#1
1337m4n Alphanumeric Anonymous Stick Man Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3,499	You don't actually have to be a firefighter to join "Firefighters for 9/11 Truth" http://conspiraciesrnotus.blogspot.c...h-not-for.html Read em' and weep. Straight from one of their own representatives, they flat-out ADMIT that Quote: you dont [sic] have to be a firefighter to sign this pledge Wonderful. Reminds me of Pilots for Truth's explanation that since pilot is a word for "guide", all Truthers are "pilots", regardless of whether they've actually flown anything or know anything about aviation. ETA: Also reminds me of Richard Gage's inclusion of "SOFTWARE Engineers" on his AE911Truth list.
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27th August 2008, 11:32 AM	#3
1337m4n Alphanumeric Anonymous Stick Man Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3,499	I just signed up using the name of the Ultramarines Primarch from the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Took all of two minutes (most of which was spent looking up said name).
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27th August 2008, 12:31 PM	#6
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 9,804	I blew out a match once, I guess that makes me a firefighter.
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27th August 2008, 07:18 PM	#10
Jontg The Bear Skeptic Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: A world of kindling. Posts: 926	Oh, god, not here. Seeing that image out of its natural habitat gives me GAFF Raid flashbacks. shudder
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27th August 2008, 07:42 PM	#11
BigAl Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,398	Originally Posted by 1337m4n http://conspiraciesrnotus.blogspot.c...h-not-for.html From that URL, I assume this bit is from generic NFPA literature and not specific to WTC. Is that correct? What do I tell the Twoofer that quotes it at me as grounds for a new investigation? Quote: NFPA (National Fire Protection Association) 921, which is the National Standard for Fire and Explosion Investigations, very clearly indicates in numerous sections that the possibility of explosives should have been thoroughly investigated. Specifically in NFPA 921 18.3.2 "High Order Damage"
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27th August 2008, 11:14 AM	#2
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	not surprising. You don't have to be an architect or engineer to join A&E911truth, you don't have to be a scholar to join scholars for 9/11 truth. It is just a name to lend a false sense of authority to an organization that has none. TAM

27th August 2008, 12:14 PM	#4
boloboffin Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5,001	You don't have to be a pilot to join Pilots for 9/11 Truth. You don't have to be concerned with actual truth at all!

27th August 2008, 12:18 PM	#5
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	"non-pilots for 9/11 lies" "Mathematical Morons for 9/11 bullcrap" These would be just as valid, based on the admission criteria for the truther groups. TAM

27th August 2008, 03:17 PM	#7
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,614	Looks like I have a mission here. I guess it would be a bad idea to sign up as Sergeant Mike Rotch, wouldn't it?

27th August 2008, 03:18 PM	#8
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Not only do you not have to be a firefighter...you dont have to care about the truth either. I think Im not gonna join Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth. Im neither an architect nor an engineer..but what do they care? I have a pulse.

27th August 2008, 03:27 PM	#9
Porkpie Hat Thinker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Gateway to the Rocky Mountains Posts: 236	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Looks like I have a mission here. I guess it would be a bad idea to sign up as Sergeant Mike Rotch, wouldn't it? You could try Sargeant Ben Dover.

27th August 2008, 07:51 PM	#12
Tweeter Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 791	I fail to find what this thread has to do with 9/11 conspiracies. Playing childish games and calling yourself mike rotch just show idiotic you all are. The funny thing is,you are all unwittingly helping the site by visiting it. Carry on.
Tweeter Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 791	Last edited by Tweeter; 27th August 2008 at 07:56 PM.

27th August 2008, 07:58 PM	#13
TheRedWorm I AM the Red Worm! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Body: Michigan, Heart: Chicago Posts: 3,991	Don't you find it a little dishonest, Tweeter, that a group that calls itself "Firefighters for 9/11 Truth" doesn't require you to be a firefighter to join?
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27th August 2008, 08:04 PM	#14
Tweeter Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 791	Maybe the owner of the site is a fireman. Not everyone here at jref is a magician either.
Tweeter Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 791

27th August 2008, 08:05 PM	#15
TheRedWorm I AM the Red Worm! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Body: Michigan, Heart: Chicago Posts: 3,991	Yeah, but the JREF is not called Magicians for truth, now is it? ETA: The name is still "Firefighters for 9/11 Truth."
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27th August 2008, 08:16 PM	#16
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 6,618	Originally Posted by Tweeter Maybe the owner of the site is a fireman. Not everyone here at jref is a magician either. Now that's just a stupid thing to say. ...unless you're seeing words in the name of this site that the rest of us aren't. In which case, it wouldn't be stupid; it's be insane. You don't actually see the word "magician" or any of its variants in the name of this site, do you, Tweeter? I mean, seriously... the obvious way to go would have been, "Not everyone here at JREF is James Randi." You even fail at trolling. That's just sad.

27th August 2008, 08:20 PM	#17
alex04 Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: QLD, Australia Posts: 292	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Looks like I have a mission here. I guess it would be a bad idea to sign up as Sergeant Mike Rotch, wouldn't it? bahahahaa, were you the one responsible for the Mike Rotch infiltrating 9/11 truth?

27th August 2008, 08:26 PM	#18
1337m4n Alphanumeric Anonymous Stick Man Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3,499	The same person can sign the petition multiple times from the same IP: Confirmed! WAAAGH!, a firefighter from the fire department known as WAAAGH!, has just signed the petition with the comment "WAAAGH!"
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27th August 2008, 08:28 PM	#19
Grizzly Bear このマスクによっ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5,692	Originally Posted by 1337m4n The same person can sign the petition multiple times from the same IP: Confirmed! WAAAGH!, a firefighter from the fire department known as WAAAGH!, has just signed the petition with the comment "WAAAGH!" Why do I get the feeling that might not be the best thing for credibility in the world?
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27th August 2008, 08:33 PM	#20
TS- Scholar Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 78	Hate to have two of my posts in a row quasi-unfairly bashing truthers, but: Originally Posted by parky76 Im neither an architect nor an engineer..but what do they care? I have a pulse. ...I don't believe that last bit is necessary to get you on the site.
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27th August 2008, 08:57 PM	#21
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,457	#239...

27th August 2008, 09:00 PM	#22
Grizzly Bear このマスクによっ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5,692	Originally Posted by WildCat #239... Dude that's just wrong man... XD
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27th August 2008, 09:04 PM	#23
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,457	I don't know if #232 is a joke or not!

27th August 2008, 09:07 PM	#24
eromitlab Muse Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: north Alabama Posts: 921	#232... so, Gage swiped his box tower demonstration from a three-year-old? Nice.
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27th August 2008, 09:13 PM	#25
Jonnyclueless Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,360	I'm more so amused by the link for single firefighters. If with all these groups anyone can join, what's the point in having all the separate groups? I mean you that all the same people are all in the same groups. Oh wait. I think I just answered my own question.

27th August 2008, 09:19 PM	#26
Damien Evans Up The Irons Tagger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 25,505	Originally Posted by 1337m4n I just signed up using the name of the Ultramarines Primarch from the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Took all of two minutes (most of which was spent looking up said name). I just signed up as Beren, son of Barahir, from the Middle-Earth universe.
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27th August 2008, 09:37 PM	#27
Björn Toulouse Cavitus Rectum Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: miles from Nowhere Posts: 1,407	Originally Posted by Tweeter Maybe the owner of the site is a fireman. Not everyone here at jref is a magician either. Since I am probably the only one here who doesn't have you on IGNORE, may I ask - does your statement make a point of some sort or are you trying to be funny?
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27th August 2008, 10:34 PM	#28
Jontg The Bear Skeptic Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: A world of kindling. Posts: 926	Blood For The Blood God.
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28th August 2008, 01:28 AM	#29
Corsair 115 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 8,675	Originally Posted by Damien Evans I just signed up as Beren, son of Barahir, from the Middle-Earth universe. Is there any chance that Gordon Freeman did any firefighting prior to his time at Black Mesa? (I still remember his triumphant inclusion in the initial list of members of AE911.)
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28th August 2008, 03:45 AM	#30
chillzero Domestic Godless Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Top of the world, ma! Posts: 15,269	Originally Posted by Tweeter I fail to find what this thread has to do with 9/11 conspiracies. Playing childish games and calling yourself mike rotch just show idiotic you all are. The funny thing is,you are all unwittingly helping the site by visiting it. Carry on. Tweeter, perhaps instead of sniping from the sidelines in a poorly disguised attempt to derail another thread, you could discuss the topic, and tell us why you think it is appropriate for a site to call itself 'Firefighters for Truth' and yet not require members to be firefighters? Don't you find that dishonest? What this has to do with 911 conspiracies is this. There has been a website set up proclaiming to be dedicated to the 'truth' of 911, and bases that dedication on the respected profession of firefighters. As good skeptics, the guys have gone to look into this - probably particularly as they have so much respect for firefighters, and found it to be flawed. What do you have to say in defense of this site?

28th August 2008, 04:09 AM	#31
MarkyX Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,158	Originally Posted by Tweeter Maybe the owner of the site is a fireman. Not everyone here at jref is a magician either. But this isn't a magician site, this is a site for skeptics. Your logic = flawed.
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28th August 2008, 04:10 AM	#32
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Defense: The firefighter who set up the site probably has little web experience, and even less with the debunking community, and the fact that they expect such a site to vet the members of said site. It is a fairly big task, if the site is being run by one or two people, to start tracking down credentials on a site that allows on line registration/sign up. Prosecution: If you are gong to set up a site that uses (justly or not) the inherent admiration and authority of the profession of Firefighter, then you should darn well vet your members, or expect to be called on it. TAM

28th August 2008, 04:18 AM	#33
chillzero Domestic Godless Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Top of the world, ma! Posts: 15,269	Originally Posted by MarkyX But this isn't a magician site, this is a site for skeptics. Well, if you look at the membership you'll have to acknowledge that this is not strictly true either. We like to have all sides involved in discussion. It's why it doesn't say 'skeptics' in the site title any more than it says 'magicians'. It does say 'Educational', and people's desire or ability to be educated is not something that can be vetted for. Further - if a member has no desire or ability to be educated, the educational part often happens for other people who interact with or read posts by that member. If any website wants a specific membership, or to imply very heavily in it's site name that it is acting on a specific group's behalf, then as TAM says, it needs to vet the membership - or at least get the blessing of a large portion of that group for the endeavour. I doubt many firefighters would endorse the site in question.

28th August 2008, 04:30 AM	#34
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,614	Just for the record, I haven't infiltreated yet, so do not think that I am H G Rekshin. (Do wish I had thought of it, though.)

28th August 2008, 05:01 AM	#35
DC dedicated aphilatelist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 21,708	Doh-bunkers live!!! creating faked accounts on websites they dont agree with to discredit the website. JREF showing its real face. grats
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