Truthers Attempt to Kill Busload of Republican Conventioners in St. Paul

[Sword_Of_Truth]

This is a little more representative of the twoofers than then homeless man incident that showed up yesterday, I think.

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The first day of the RNC was fun but muted. One group, though, wasn't deterred from pursuing its agenda by events in the Gulf. The Communist/anarchist/truther/pro-Obama protesters were out in force, committing various crimes and attempting to disrupt the proceedings.

The most shocking events are described by Jim Hoft, who was on a bus that was attacked from above when a group of protesters dropped sand bags on to the top of the bus. This is attempted murder: if the protesters had succeeded in hitting the windshield, a sand bag would have crashed through and killed the driver. The resulting accident would have killed or injured others on the bus. To my knowledge, the left-wingers/would-be murderers were not caught.

John Hindraker is correct, this is attempted murder. And I'm not saying that because he's a lawyer and would know, I'm saying that because it frighteningly mirrors a similar incident here in Edmonton six years ago.

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A few minutes after midnight on June 1st, 2002 Stanley dropped off the last of his charter passengers and headed back to the company garage. He was travelling west in the centre lane of Whitemud Drive at about 12:30 a.m. when someone dropped a boulder off the 113th Street pedestrian bridge.

Three holes had been snipped in the mesh fence enclosing the footbridge, allowing a basketball-sized, 14-kilogram rock to be thrown through. The rock came crashing through the windshield of the bus striking Stanley in the chest. Stanley managed to pull the bus over to the side of the freeway and turn on his hazard lights.

At about 2:45 a.m., a police officer finally decided to check the bus. Stanley was unconscious and not breathing. The officer performed CPR until paramedics arrived but Stanley was declared dead at the scene.

DISCLAIMER: Yes, I am aware that this does not reflect on Obama supporters or democrats as a whole. Which is why this is posted HERE and not in "politics".

[Tweeter]

How do you get that truthers did this?
Out one side of your mouth you people say theres not many(truthers) and they arent affiliated with other groups, then you post this crap,Communist/anarchist/truther/pro-Obama protesters. So which is it?

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by Tweeter

How do you get that truthers did this?
Out one side of your mouth you people say theres not many(truthers) and they arent affiliated with other groups, then you post this crap,Communist/anarchist/truther/pro-Obama protesters. So which is it?

They failed, they ran away after making their statement of hate. They are truthers who have failed ideas and are too dumb to figure out 9/11.

[Mark Felt]

There aren't many truthers, but they come from a wide variety of places.

[1337m4n]

Tweeter, when one day, a Truther finally succeeds in commiting murder in the name of "the Truth", will you take a stand against it?

[DavidJames]

Quote:

The Communist/anarchist/truther/pro-Obama

um, yeah, anarchists are communists and are pro Obama, right

[defaultdotxbe]

i havent seen anything to indicate these folks were truthers, they just seem to be radical antiwar protestors

[Skeptic Guy]

I don't see how you can lump comunists, anarchists, truthers, and Obama supporters together. They don't really work together. And as much as I wouldn't put it past the truthers to do something as dangerous and criminal as this, I don't see any evidence it was them. In fact the right-wing blog from whence the story was taken refers to them as anarchists. I could buy that, but I don't see any evidence one way or the other. Are truthers anarchists?

Communists don't work with anarchists do they? And I know that they aren't Obama supporters.

The source material is highly biased and for that reason I suspect.

[Boone 870]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Guy

I don't see how you can lump comunists, anarchists, truthers, and Obama supporters together. They don't really work together. And as much as I wouldn't put it past the truthers to do something as dangerous and criminal as this, I don't see any evidence it was them.

I don't believe the author was trying to lump them all together ideologically as much as geographically, as can be seen one minute into this video.

If the truth club doesn't want to be associated with anarchist/communist, they should have their own protest instead of riding the coattails of larger demonstrations. But, five people standing on a street corner talking about super thermate would go unnoticed.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

This was a politically motivated, organized effort by a group of fringe activists to kill multiple people.

We know the truthers have a history of advocating violence and even murder to further their cause.

Until the attempted killers are captured and interrogated, proving that none of them believe 9/11 was an inside job, then we cannot remove truthers from the possible suspect list.

[MarkyX]

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

This was a politically motivated, organized effort by a group of fringe activists to kill multiple people.

We know the truthers have a history of advocating violence and even murder to further their cause.

Until the attempted killers are captured and interrogated, proving that none of them believe 9/11 was an inside job, then we cannot remove truthers from the possible suspect list.

Wasn't one of the members of WAC caught with a .50 caliber sniper rifle and pipe bombs?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Originally Posted by MarkyX

Wasn't one of the members of WAC caught with a .50 caliber sniper rifle and pipe bombs?

That would be interesting if you could come up with a source.

To my knowledge, WAC doesn't have any members who could afford a .50 cal sniper rifle.

[AJM8125]

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

That would be interesting if you could come up with a source.

To my knowledge, WAC doesn't have any members who could afford a .50 cal sniper rifle.

Was it this?

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=108635

[Whiplash]

I am someone who firmly believed that all truthers were liberal or socialist, etc. I based this on the fact that I assumed their idiocy all spawned from a loathing of Bush. But I have since come to realize it's not as true as I thought. I admit that there people from both political sides in the truther camp.

[Walter Ego]

Quote:

Quote:
The Communist/anarchist/truther/pro-Obama

I'm pro-Obama. Does that make me a commie/anarchist/truther?

[JimBenArm]

I thought unproven accusations and conjecture were twoofer tactics. I didn't see anywhere in the post or the follow-on link that said they were twoofers.
Whoever did this is slime, and should be treated as such. However, let's not make accusations that aren't firmly based in fact, otherwise we are no different than they are.

Climbing down off my soapbox...

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Originally Posted by AJM8125

Was it this?

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=108635

No mention of a .50 calibre rifle in that thread or the linked article.

Here's what I dug up though.

Current price of a Barrett M107 .50 cal Rifle: $8650.00

We Are Change, Current Funds Raised: $3465.50

All of We Are Idiots put together can't afford a .50 calibre rifle.

No wonder they are stuck with tossing sand bags off overpasses.

[TheLoneBedouin]

Originally Posted by 1337m4n

Tweeter, when one day, a Truther finally succeeds in commiting murder in the name of "the Truth", will you take a stand against it?

Of course not. Didn't you know all truthers are pro-murder and that they cannibalize babies at their conventions? I read it on Gravy's site so it must be true!

[AJM8125]

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

No mention of a .50 calibre rifle in that thread or the linked article.

Here's what I dug up though.

Current price of a Barrett M107 .50 cal Rifle: $8650.00

We Are Change, Current Funds Raised: $3465.50

All of We Are Idiots put together can't afford a .50 calibre rifle.

No wonder they are stuck with tossing sand bags off overpasses.

I think this might be it then:

http://forums.randi.org/archive/index.php/t-93318.html

[dudalb]

Quote:

Communists don't work with anarchists do they? And I know that they aren't Obama supporters.

It's amazing how radicals can suspend their differences in order to attack "THe Establishment". It's being violently Anti Establishment that is the important thing.
The Truth movement is a good example of this with people on the left like David Griffin being able to work well with Right wingers like Alex Jones.
But you are right that the OBama supporters crack was over the line. Most of the vioilent demonstrators would consider Obama and the Dems to be just another bunch of stooges for "The Man".

[Walter Ego]

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

No mention of a .50 calibre rifle in that thread or the linked article.

Here's what I dug up though.

Current price of a Barrett M107 .50 cal Rifle: $8650.00

We Are Change, Current Funds Raised: $3465.50

All of We Are Idiots put together can't afford a .50 calibre rifle.

No wonder they are stuck with tossing sand bags off overpasses.

What proof aside from a quote from a right-wing blog do you have that the alleged sand bag throwers were truthers?

[defaultdotxbe]

Originally Posted by Walter Ego

I'm pro-Obama. Does that make me a commie/anarchist/truther?

i would have thought no, but its on the internet, so it must be true

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

No mention of a .50 calibre rifle in that thread or the linked article.

Here's what I dug up though.

Current price of a Barrett M107 .50 cal Rifle: $8650.00

We Are Change, Current Funds Raised: $3465.50

All of We Are Idiots put together can't afford a .50 calibre rifle.

No wonder they are stuck with tossing sand bags off overpasses.

maybe they can only afford to donate 3 grand after purchasing their 8 grand rifles, lol

[Pardalis]

Strangely you don't see this sort of things happening at Democrat conventions.

Are Republicans more civilized?

[Travis]

Why jump to the conclusion the perps were Truthers when accusing them of being anti-war protesters is insult enough?

Originally Posted by Pardalis

Strangely you don't see this sort of things happening at Democrat conventions.

Are Republicans more civilized?

If you were rich, overweight and aging would you want to get out of the air conditioned limousine to push a rock off a pedestrian bridge?

[Walter Ego]

Originally Posted by Travis

Why jump to the conclusion the perps were Truthers when accusing them of being anti-war protesters is insult enough?

Yes, where is the proof the sandbag throwers were truthers?

Quote:

St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman, the St. Paul Chief of Police and a public information officer answer questions after a day of violence and arrests on the streets of St. Paul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvWoPupnEhU

Listen to Coleman's statement about 00:30 into the video.

10,000 peaceful protesters marched from the state capital to the Excel Center and back. A small group of violent protesters caused trouble.

[Myriad]

Actually, I'm pretty sure considerable evidence exists (or will soon surface) proving that the sandbag attack was not done by truthers.

1. No one was on the bridge waving an "investigate 9/11" banner in the direction least visible to passing traffic when the incident occurred.

2. The sandbag was stuffed with sand, not with DVDs.

3. No video of the attack (and subsequent escape from law enforcement officials) has yet been posted on YouTube.

4. No truther would conceive of such an attack in the first place, because no truther could ever believe falling grains of sand could possibly cause any damage to a steel-framed bus.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Originally Posted by Myriad

Actually, I'm pretty sure considerable evidence exists (or will soon surface) proving that the sandbag attack was not done by truthers.

1. No one was on the bridge waving an "investigate 9/11" banner in the direction least visible to passing traffic when the incident occurred.

2. The sandbag was stuffed with sand, not with DVDs.

3. No video of the attack (and subsequent escape from law enforcement officials) has yet been posted on YouTube.

4. No truther would conceive of such an attack in the first place, because no truther could ever believe falling grains of sand could possibly cause any damage to a steel-framed bus.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Damn.

There's no topping that one. I humbly concede.

Nice play, Myriad.

[Redtail]

Originally Posted by Pardalis

Strangely you don't see this sort of things happening at Democrat conventions.

Are Republicans more civilized?

Well no, because IF they were in fact truthers (or anarchist for that matter) one has to consider that they don't think everything through. While the Dems have congress, the top dog is a Rep, thus they {truthers/anarchist} have to take on "teh dragon"... So to speak.

[Travis]

All joking aside this was probably done by run-of-the-mill rabble rousing anarchist youths. They may agree with Truther ideology only because it is anti-establishment but that would not have had any bearing on their decision to attack a bus possibly injuring the passengers.

In short, I'm gonna need some actual evidence that this was done in the name of Truther ideas before I condemn this as a Truther attack. They, annoying as they are, are still innocent until proven guilty.

[dudalb]

The main reason I don't think it was truthers is that from what I have seen they do not have the foresight to plan something like this in advance and lack the cojones to carry it through. The most infamous Twoofer incident to this moment..the girl in the wheelchair incident...was an example of instant idiocy,not foreplanning.
That having been said, throw the freaking book on the morons with the sandbags.
And Anarchists wonder why people "misunderstand" them.

[rwguinn]

Originally Posted by Myriad

Actually, I'm pretty sure considerable evidence exists (or will soon surface) proving that the sandbag attack was not done by truthers.

1. No one was on the bridge waving an "investigate 9/11" banner in the direction least visible to passing traffic when the incident occurred.

2. The sandbag was stuffed with sand, not with DVDs.

3. No video of the attack (and subsequent escape from law enforcement officials) has yet been posted on YouTube.

4. No truther would conceive of such an attack in the first place, because no truther could ever believe falling grains of sand could possibly cause any damage to a steel-framed bus.

Respectfully,
Myriad

The bolded part does not support your thesis...
It is BECAUSE no troother could believe that falling sand would do any damage that they must remain suspects...

[Confuseling]

Like the way he's written "left-wingers / would be murderers" as if to draw some moral equivalence. Class act.

Sword, you are rapidly becoming my favourite wingnut.

[Thunder]

as far as the 9-11 Sheepers are concerned, Republicans defend George Bush, who commited 9-11. That makes them co-conspirators in murder..and murders deserve....

[1337m4n]

Also, anyone who does not believe in stupid idiot ideas like soundless explosives or tiny "squibs" bringing down a 110-story skyscraper MUST be a Bush supporter.

[T.A.M.]

Originally Posted by TheLoneBedouin

Of course not. Didn't you know all truthers are pro-murder and that they cannibalize babies at their conventions? I read it on Gravy's site so it must be true!

I have two words...Kevin Barrett.

TAM

[Thunder]

9-11 Sheepers believe that the NWO 9-11 conspirators should be executed without trial, jury, or evidence. Just take them out with a sniper rifle.

[LashL]

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

This is a little more representative of the twoofers than then homeless man incident that showed up yesterday, I think.

John Hindraker is correct, this is attempted murder. And I'm not saying that because he's a lawyer and would know, I'm saying that because it frighteningly mirrors a similar incident here in Edmonton six years ago.

The article cited does not at all support the assertion made in the subject line of this thread, and even if the actions were carried out by twoofers (and there is no evidence that this is so), it would still be very, very reckless to claim that those actions amount to "attempted murder".

Sheesh.

Come on, Sword_of_Truth, you should know better than to make unsupported accusations such as this.

[Jontg]

Originally Posted by TheLoneBedouin

Of course not. Didn't you know all truthers are paragons of virtue and any truther who does anything bad is a deep cover agent hired to make them look bad? I read it on Infowars so it must be true!

Fixed that for ya.

[Minadin]

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

I have two words...Kevin Barrett.

TAM

Seconded.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Originally Posted by LashL

Come on, Sword_of_Truth, you should know better than to make unsupported accusations such as this.

Yeah, I kinda shot before aiming there, didn't I?

In my defense, I do believe this attack was a serious violent crime. Throwing heavy objects at moving vehicles from an overpass has far too much potential for loss of life to be considered otherwise.

That and I still believe that the probability that just one of the attackers (if not more) believe 9/11 was an "inside job" are high.

Not that it would make a difference at sentencing, of course.

I also believe the attackers will likely never be caught. The perpetrators of the Edmonton incident weren't found until the police tried to go after the wrong guy and their conscience finally kicked in. Since no one died or was even hurt in this attack, the attackers will probably go home and hopefully grow up some before the next election cycle.