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Old 3rd September 2008, 01:33 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth View Post
Yeah, I kinda shot before aiming there, didn't I?
Well, you tried. But, hey, why pass up an opportunity to link truthers with commie pro-Obama anarchists?

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That and I still believe that the probability that just one of the attackers (if not more) believe 9/11 was an "inside job" are high.
And I hold out the probability that it was truther who knocked up Sarah Palin's daughter.
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Old 3rd September 2008, 01:56 AM   #42
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The worst gutter rubbish I have seen so far on JREF.
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Old 3rd September 2008, 04:30 AM   #43
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wow that's just.......

a new Low for the debunkers.

gratulations.
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Old 3rd September 2008, 06:04 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Myriad View Post
Actually, I'm pretty sure considerable evidence exists (or will soon surface) proving that the sandbag attack was not done by truthers.

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3. No video of the attack (and subsequent escape from law enforcement officials) has yet been posted on YouTube.

Case closed.
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Old 3rd September 2008, 06:22 AM   #45
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Does this thread have anything to do with 9/11 conspiracy theories?

I think not. It should be moved.

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(… ah, I mean Walter)
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Old 3rd September 2008, 07:07 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by JihadJane View Post
The worst gutter rubbish I have seen so far on JREF.
Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney View Post
wow that's just.......

a new Low for the debunkers.

gratulations.
You're a little late to the party. Many debunkers have already posted in this thread decrying the veracity of the OP. Unlike Truthers, we're perfectly capable of cleaning our own house.
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Old 3rd September 2008, 07:14 AM   #47
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Yeah, one Debunker speculated it was Truthers and pretty much everyone else pointed out the lack of evidence and concluded there is no connection to the Truth Movement based on what is known.

That's how real skepticism works guys.
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Old 3rd September 2008, 07:23 AM   #48
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But it's a good thing that JihadJane and DC were here to point out the error of our ways, or else we would have never known. Those two are the real heroes.
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Originally Posted by JihadJane View Post
The worst gutter rubbish I have seen so far on JREF.

Yeah, the ability to debunk based on evidence rather than simply taking sides must drive you nuts. If it didn't you wouldn't be a twoofer in the first place.
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But it's a good thing that JihadJane and DC were here to point out the error of our ways, or else we would have never known. Those two are the real heroes.
i just posted my opinion, adn i saw that indeed most did point out that there seems to be no connection.

but this is trowing a strange light on JREF, especially because the topic is not moved out of 9/11 Conspiracy subforum, even after debunkers pointed out the lack of connections to 9/11.

when a truther is shooting around or hiting people in weelchairs there is alot of posts, look typical twoofers, typical this typical that....
twoofer twoofer twoofer.....

or like one of the posters here is so sure that twoofers are so violent for sure one day one twoofer will kill someone.

to put all CT's in one big pot and nicely mixing it is no problem here, but do not dear to do the same with debunkers......
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Old 3rd September 2008, 09:56 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney View Post
or like one of the posters here is so sure that twoofers are so violent for sure one day one twoofer will kill someone.

Lots of us are sure of that. Doesn't mean any of us think all twoofers will.

For starters, that would require getting off the computer and actually taking action.
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Yes, I made an assumption I shouldn't have and got my intellectual knuckles rapped for it. I admit it and concede the point.

Meanwhile, Jihadjane (lovely name for someone trying to convince us Al-Queada doesn't exist, BTW) and Dictator Cheney have accused:

1.) Thousands of New York firefighters of killing or covering up for the killers of 343 of their "brothers in hoses"

2.) Hundreds of US servicemen and civillian defense department employees of murdering or covering up the murders of more than a hundred of thier comrades at the Pentagon

3.) Canadian Armed Forces NORAD personnel of covering up the murders of 24 of their countrymen

And what is their evidence for this? They admit they don't have any!

Which is why they want a new investigation!

Both of you can just bite me.
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Old 3rd September 2008, 11:43 AM   #53
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Originally Posted by Walter Ego View Post
Well, you tried. But, hey, why pass up an opportunity to link truthers with commie pro-Obama anarchists?
Except for the fact that I didn't. Go back and look at the disclaimer in my original post. Also note the lack of an edit tag at the bottom.

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And I hold out the probability that it was truther who knocked up Sarah Palin's daughter.
I would take that into consideration if truthers were known for fantasizing about rolling in the hay with republicans instead of killing them.
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I think it was the wording of the poster, whom you quoted, that linked the protesters with Obama...IIRC.

I think you have done more than enough for any error or transgression you may have committed SOT.

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Originally Posted by T.A.M. View Post
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I think you have done more than enough for any error or transgression you may have committed SOT.

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I disagree. I think as pennance he should be made to spend a day with his local Truth group handing out fliers and telling passing strangers about the evil murderous liars in the Whitehouse. That's what I call punishment!
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I disagree. I think as pennance he should be made to spend a day with his local Truth group handing out fliers and telling passing strangers about the evil murderous liars in the Whitehouse. That's what I call punishment!

If SOT is in the US, there is that little catch regarding cruel and unusual punishment . . .
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Originally Posted by T.A.M. View Post
I think it was the wording of the poster, whom you quoted, that linked the protesters with Obama...IIRC.

We should still hold ourselves to a higher standard. Political blogs have agendas, and as such are notoriously unreliable and/or skewed factually. "As long as it's on the internet" may be fine for the woo-heads, but we owe it to ourselves to do some verification for credibility purposes.


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I think you have done more than enough for any error or transgression you may have committed SOT.

True dat. Just don't let it happen again.
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I wonder how long until we see CT forum threads with titles like:

Debunker on JREF accuses Truth Movement of attack on bus, other Debunkers agree and hail Bush as greatest American....... also brave Warrior for Truth "defends" himself from attack by boy in iron lung.
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Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth View Post
Yes, I made an assumption I shouldn't have and got my intellectual knuckles rapped for it. I admit it and concede the point.

Meanwhile, Jihadjane (lovely name for someone trying to convince us Al-Queada doesn't exist, BTW) and Dictator Cheney have accused:

1.) Thousands of New York firefighters of killing or covering up for the killers of 343 of their "brothers in hoses"

2.) Hundreds of US servicemen and civillian defense department employees of murdering or covering up the murders of more than a hundred of thier comrades at the Pentagon

3.) Canadian Armed Forces NORAD personnel of covering up the murders of 24 of their countrymen

And what is their evidence for this? They admit they don't have any!

Which is why they want a new investigation!

Both of you can just bite me.
DOn't forget JihadJane said that scientific facts are not as important to understanding 9/11 as political insight........

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To be fair there really is no evidence that this crime was commited by Truthers, the sings on the over pass are anti war, not 9/11 Truth and the witnesses describe them as Anarchists or Protesters. From other incidents it seems that a group of violently anti-war protesters has been causing a lot of trouble, it's not Truthers though.
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Originally Posted by JihadJane View Post
The worst gutter rubbish I have seen so far on JREF.
Excellent!

If the worst here is a poster making an unsupported claim, promptly getting his knuckles rapped for it by fellow skeptics, promptly acknowledging his error, resiling from it and apologizing for it, then we're doing pretty darned good indeed!

Kudos to Sword_of_Truth for recognizing and quickly acknowledging and admitting his error, long before the "johnny come lately" twoofer types such as JihadJane and DictatorCheney piped in.
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Kudos to Sword_of_Truth for recognizing and quickly acknowledging and admitting his error
Thanks, Lash.
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Is there anything that would embarrass you? And I’m not even talking about just the thread. I'm talking about the protection you and your ridiculous thread need to enable it to keep stinking up the place.

Proud?
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Unless you are deliberately working on a "suicide by mod" departure (and you would not be the first to do so, of course), I would suggest that you read the MA as many times as required for you to comprehend the simple rules therein, and that you post in accordance with those rules.
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Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney View Post
i just posted my opinion, adn i saw that indeed most did point out that there seems to be no connection.
And I just noted how useful and relevant your post was, and how it wasn't at all an attempt to make it seem like the OP represented the opinions of the entire JREF forum.

Keep up the good work, DC!
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Here we had some punk-ass kids throwing ice balls at cars on New Year's Eve a few years back. One of them broke a windshield out of a pickup truck and decapitated the driver...
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Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth View Post
Yes, I made an assumption I shouldn't have and got my intellectual knuckles rapped for it. I admit it and concede the point.

Meanwhile, Jihadjane (lovely name for someone trying to convince us Al-Queada doesn't exist, BTW) and Dictator Cheney have accused:

1.) Thousands of New York firefighters of killing or covering up for the killers of 343 of their "brothers in hoses"

2.) Hundreds of US servicemen and civillian defense department employees of murdering or covering up the murders of more than a hundred of thier comrades at the Pentagon

3.) Canadian Armed Forces NORAD personnel of covering up the murders of 24 of their countrymen

And what is their evidence for this? They admit they don't have any!

Which is why they want a new investigation!

Both of you can just bite me.

Like your OP, all of your above accusations are untrue and without foundation. You have made them up inside your own head.

Funnily enough, none of the proud JREF house cleaners feels moved to challenge these lies.
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I wonder how long until we see CT forum threads with titles like:

Debunker on JREF accuses Truth Movement of attack on bus, other Debunkers agree and hail Bush as greatest American....... also brave Warrior for Truth "defends" himself from attack by boy in iron lung.
You just had to give them something to quote. Way to go.
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Like your OP, all of your above accusations are untrue and without foundation. You have made them up inside your own head.

Funnily enough, none of the proud JREF house cleaners feels moved to challenge these lies.
You're new to this whole Truthy business aren't you Jane?

The things SoT listed are all implicit in the Truther fantasies which you appear to share.
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DOn't forget JihadJane said that scientific facts are not as important to understanding 9/11 as political insight........
Yes, something like that, though I don't remember mentioning the word "facts". I hope you aren't putting a dishonest spin on my words.You still haven't explained why you disagree with my opinion. Science is often misappropriated to serve political interests.

JREF's scepticism flag is a false one. Poster after poster on this thread is quite willing, to a comical degree, to accept bin Laden's guilt on the flimsiest of evidence which, as one poster at least accepts, would have no chance of standing up in a court of law. The belief in bin Laden's guilt appears to be conviction- and faith-based.

There seems little interest amongst "debunkers" in scientifically examining the well-establish MO of Intelligence agencies in controlling their often unsavoury assets or their many methods of duping the public.

Here is an Osama bin Laden statement, no less well authenticated than those that have been used to justify killing thousands of men, women and children living in Afghanistan, which "debunkers" ignore for no other reason, apparently, than that it contradicts their conviction-based belief system:

“I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks....The American system is totally in the control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States ... I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the system, which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom.”

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle20521.htm
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Mod WarningPerhaps instead of complaining about other posters, some of you could post on the actual topic?
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