Another nail in the MMR-autism coffin

Professor Yaffle · 4th September 2008, 01:54 AM

Not that this will change the minds of the rabid anti-vaxers, but it might help rid the lingering doubt in the general public.
Interestingly this study was authored by one of the mercury militia - Mandy Hornig.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0003140

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...cci_1.php#more

http://www.blacktriangle.org/blog/?p=1833

Deetee · 4th September 2008, 02:53 AM

As some on the blogs have said, and as the initial reaction from folk like the National Autism Association would indicate, this will not make any difference to the tru bleevers, who continue to be textbook examples of cognitive dissonance. Vaccines are evil, always were and always will be, and that's that.

I liked one comment on a blog about the antivaxers spinning their stories "faster than a centrifuge in Wakefield's lab".

TobiasTheViking · 4th September 2008, 03:47 AM

Well, can never get too many nails in that coffin, though i don't think it is possible to get enough nails into that coffin.

Corsair 115 · 4th September 2008, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie

Well, can never get too many nails in that coffin, though i don't think it is possible to get enough nails into that coffin.

I think perhaps a stake through the heart is required first, or else the vampire will rise again regardless of how many nails are in the coffin lid...

paximperium · 4th September 2008, 12:18 PM

They've moved their goalpost. You will notice now they are claiming that "aluminum" or other "poisons" used to make the vaccines are the cause of autism.

TobiasTheViking · 5th September 2008, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by paximperium

They've moved their goalpost. You will notice now they are claiming that "aluminum" or other "poisons" used to make the vaccines are the cause of autism.

They always claimed the aluminum in thimerosal caused autism...

kakariki · 5th September 2008, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie

They always claimed the aluminum in thimerosal caused autism...

No, they claimed it was the mercury.

Confuseling · 5th September 2008, 05:06 PM

I honestly think we should build antivaxer schools, where the children of the deluded can infect one another at will, and ban them from the normal ones. Yes, it would kill a few innocent children, but it would throw some stark light on the problem, and increase vaccine take up. Net result: less deaths.

But nobody votes for me...

Eos of the Eons · 6th September 2008, 03:00 PM

I'd vote for you *evil grin*
And yes, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. We need a nice demonstration of willing parties to show the spoiled just exactly what nasty viruses can do to a group. We have the willing parties, and they do get outbreaks, just not many because they are pocketed here and there. Get them all together, and we can put them in a city, and watch the very interesting experiment unfold. I think there would be at least a few million, that would be awesome to observe from afar. They like measles parties...

We would get to watch a third world develop right before our eyes, right at home! Why? Because all their docs in that city would be NDs and DCs (no MDs allowed). Their hospitals would be free of operating rooms and other things that NDs and DCs are not trained to use.

Hm. Could be a seriously cool movie if someone wants to develop the story line!

MattusMaximus · 6th September 2008, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie

Well, can never get too many nails in that coffin, though i don't think it is possible to get enough nails into that coffin.

I'd like to burn that coffin.

TobiasTheViking · 7th September 2008, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by kakariki

No, they claimed it was the mercury.

Oh sorry, quite correct..

Aluminium causes alzheimers is the claim i was thinking about

dahduh · 7th September 2008, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Eos of the Eons

... We need a nice demonstration of willing parties to show the spoiled just exactly what nasty viruses can do to a group. We have the willing parties, and they do get outbreaks, just not many because they are pocketed here and there. Get them all together, and we can put them in a city, and watch the very interesting experiment unfold...

This is the problem with medical science; the more it advances, the less opportunity nature has to evolve out the stupid genes. Most vexing, but here at last we have a solution...

Eos of the Eons · 7th September 2008, 12:10 PM

Solution orientated is my middle name

Realistic is not though, unfortunately. Nice to have a dream though, as cruel as it would be, but they would welcome that city with open arms, it would be their nirvana.

4th September 2008, 01:54 AM	#1
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Deetee Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,790	As some on the blogs have said, and as the initial reaction from folk like the National Autism Association would indicate, this will not make any difference to the tru bleevers, who continue to be textbook examples of cognitive dissonance. Vaccines are evil, always were and always will be, and that's that. I liked one comment on a blog about the antivaxers spinning their stories "faster than a centrifuge in Wakefield's lab".
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4th September 2008, 03:47 AM	#3
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4th September 2008, 12:12 PM	#4
Corsair 115 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 8,564	Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie Well, can never get too many nails in that coffin, though i don't think it is possible to get enough nails into that coffin. I think perhaps a stake through the heart is required first, or else the vampire will rise again regardless of how many nails are in the coffin lid...
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4th September 2008, 12:18 PM	#5
paximperium Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Location: Silicon Valley-Stuck between Google and Apple Posts: 10,727	They've moved their goalpost. You will notice now they are claiming that "aluminum" or other "poisons" used to make the vaccines are the cause of autism.
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5th September 2008, 03:24 PM	#6
TobiasTheViking Resident Viking Autist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: With your mother Posts: 6,923	Originally Posted by paximperium They've moved their goalpost. You will notice now they are claiming that "aluminum" or other "poisons" used to make the vaccines are the cause of autism. They always claimed the aluminum in thimerosal caused autism...
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5th September 2008, 03:50 PM	#7
kakariki Student Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 37	Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie They always claimed the aluminum in thimerosal caused autism... No, they claimed it was the mercury.
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5th September 2008, 05:06 PM	#8
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6th September 2008, 03:00 PM	#9
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894	I'd vote for you evil grin And yes, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. We need a nice demonstration of willing parties to show the spoiled just exactly what nasty viruses can do to a group. We have the willing parties, and they do get outbreaks, just not many because they are pocketed here and there. Get them all together, and we can put them in a city, and watch the very interesting experiment unfold. I think there would be at least a few million, that would be awesome to observe from afar. They like measles parties... We would get to watch a third world develop right before our eyes, right at home! Why? Because all their docs in that city would be NDs and DCs (no MDs allowed). Their hospitals would be free of operating rooms and other things that NDs and DCs are not trained to use. Hm. Could be a seriously cool movie if someone wants to develop the story line!
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6th September 2008, 08:55 PM	#10
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie Well, can never get too many nails in that coffin, though i don't think it is possible to get enough nails into that coffin. I'd like to burn that coffin.
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7th September 2008, 09:24 AM	#11
TobiasTheViking Resident Viking Autist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: With your mother Posts: 6,923	Originally Posted by kakariki No, they claimed it was the mercury. Oh sorry, quite correct.. Aluminium causes alzheimers is the claim i was thinking about
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7th September 2008, 09:59 AM	#12
dahduh Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cape Town Posts: 360	Originally Posted by Eos of the Eons ... We need a nice demonstration of willing parties to show the spoiled just exactly what nasty viruses can do to a group. We have the willing parties, and they do get outbreaks, just not many because they are pocketed here and there. Get them all together, and we can put them in a city, and watch the very interesting experiment unfold... This is the problem with medical science; the more it advances, the less opportunity nature has to evolve out the stupid genes. Most vexing, but here at last we have a solution...

7th September 2008, 12:10 PM	#13
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894	Solution orientated is my middle name Realistic is not though, unfortunately. Nice to have a dream though, as cruel as it would be, but they would welcome that city with open arms, it would be their nirvana.
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