'Palin: Average isn't good enough' by Sam Harris

Undesired Walrus · 4th September 2008, 03:23 AM

Apologies for another Palin thread, it's probably important enough.

Sam Harris' article

Allegedly tattoos are fine as long as you have a tattoo of a Christian Fish. Also, you cannot get the gas line through Alaska unless your 'heart is right with the Lord'. And no matter how hard you try, 'none of it [hard work] is any good' unless you are one with God.

BenBurch · 4th September 2008, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

Apologies for another Palin thread, it's probably important enough.

Sam Harris' article

Allegedly tattoos are fine as long as you have a tattoo of a Christian Fish. Also, you cannot get the gas line through Alaska unless your 'heart is right with the Lord'. And no matter how hard you try, 'none of it [hard work] is any good' unless you are one with God.

Thanks for posting that.

Cain · 4th September 2008, 04:34 AM

I realize this is a criticism he probably hears often, but one of the problems with people like Dawkins is that they seem to over emphasize symbolic importance. Yes, having a "Creationist wacko" like Palin in office is bad, but her crazy religious beliefs are symptomatic of a person who has not given important questions the thought they deserve (see for example her obscenely ignorant comment on the Pledge). The fact is that if she becomes president she will be a figurehead, and the people actually crafting policy behind the scene are not elected by the American people (they're also probably relatively intelligent and relatively non-religious (see Karl Rove, who is also a relatively ********** up excuse for a human being)).

Undesired Walrus · 4th September 2008, 04:48 AM

Dawkins? This is Sam Harris.

Beerina · 4th September 2008, 09:00 AM

9 of 10 politicians are probably lying out their ass when they claim they are into their religion.

FaisonMars · 4th September 2008, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

Allegedly tattoos are fine as long as you have a tattoo of a Christian Fish. Also, you cannot get the gas line through Alaska unless your 'heart is right with the Lord'. And no matter how hard you try, 'none of it [hard work] is any good' unless you are one with God.

The Bible is very clear about tattoos, in the same books that forbids homosexuality:

Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

It looks like Track is going to hell with the rest of the homos and shellfish eaters. Ah well, hate the sin, love the sinner.

FaisonMars · 4th September 2008, 10:08 AM

Ooh, Levi has at least one tattoo, too:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_123748.html

If he has "Bristol" on his ring finger, that MUST mean that it's true love forever....

Cain · 4th September 2008, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

Dawkins? This is Sam Harris.

The video is from Dawkins, and it's more of a general comment on that attitude (see for instance the remarks you quoted). In the article proper, Harris does not really attack her religious beliefs.

ETA:

Quote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_123748.html

Awwww, they're gonna be together forever.

fuelair · 4th September 2008, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

9 of 10 politicians are probably lying out their ass when they claim they are into their religion.

Unfortunately, she isn't one of the 9.

Undesired Walrus · 4th September 2008, 12:32 PM

Cain, understood. Comically enough, Dawkins responds in the comments below the article.

Originally Posted by Richard Dawkins

Obama's priest is not up for election. Sarah Palin is. Listen to the speech (above) that she herself (the one who seriously aspires to be Vice President) made in her church. Marvel at her use of the English language, let alone her opinions. Spread it around. Encourage everybody to listen to this woman's own words. Spread this video from sea to shining sea.
Richard

===========

Originally Posted by fuelair

Unfortunately, she isn't one of the 9.

Agreed. This is a private gathering, not a public, accessable event. The last time a private gathering was thrust into the spotlight because of comments on religion, it was bittergate.

Policenaut · 4th September 2008, 12:55 PM

Obama ain't exactly an athiest either. She might be outspoken but Obama and religon aren't going to be separated if he wins. For anyone who wants less religion in the White House neither Republicans or Democrats will provide that.

Nogbad · 4th September 2008, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by FaisonMars

The Bible is very clear about tattoos, in the same books that forbids homosexuality:

Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

It looks like Track is going to hell with the rest of the homos and shellfish eaters. Ah well, hate the sin, love the sinner.

Not so long ago tattoos were a no no for the religious. Just shows the Bible does move with fashion

Ausmerican · 4th September 2008, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Policenaut

Obama ain't exactly an athiest either. She might be outspoken but Obama and religon aren't going to be separated if he wins. For anyone who wants less religion in the White House neither Republicans or Democrats will provide that.

Obama may not be an antheist but both his parents were. Also his step father was regarded as an "apathetic" moslem by friends in Indonesia. So while he may not be an atheist he loves, respects, & understands at least some of them.

Cain · 4th September 2008, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Policenaut

Obama ain't exactly an athiest either. She might be outspoken but Obama and religon aren't going to be separated if he wins. For anyone who wants less religion in the White House neither Republicans or Democrats will provide that.

It's well-known that Obama was raised in a secular environment -- I think both of his parents were atheists. A friend of mine read at least one of the Obama books and he would not be at all surprised if the guy is secretly an infidel.

Undesired Walrus · 4th September 2008, 04:07 PM

According to Dreams, Obama was an Atheist up to the time of his community work in Chicago. There is then a fairly bizzare chapter in which he goes to Trinity for the first time and sees women shrieking with tears whilst praising Jesus and several people talking in tongues. He never mentions a conversion, but it seems fairly obvious he became a Christian after that point. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a metaphorical Christian, picking and choosing the kind words from the Bible.

I can't really see McCain believing any of it either, but thats simply speculation.

4th September 2008, 03:23 AM	#1
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,893	'Palin: Average isn't good enough' by Sam Harris Apologies for another Palin thread, it's probably important enough. Sam Harris' article Allegedly tattoos are fine as long as you have a tattoo of a Christian Fish. Also, you cannot get the gas line through Alaska unless your 'heart is right with the Lord'. And no matter how hard you try, 'none of it [hard work] is any good' unless you are one with God.
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4th September 2008, 03:52 AM	#2
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,219	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus Apologies for another Palin thread, it's probably important enough. Sam Harris' article Allegedly tattoos are fine as long as you have a tattoo of a Christian Fish. Also, you cannot get the gas line through Alaska unless your 'heart is right with the Lord'. And no matter how hard you try, 'none of it [hard work] is any good' unless you are one with God. Thanks for posting that.
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4th September 2008, 04:34 AM	#3
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,939	I realize this is a criticism he probably hears often, but one of the problems with people like Dawkins is that they seem to over emphasize symbolic importance. Yes, having a "Creationist wacko" like Palin in office is bad, but her crazy religious beliefs are symptomatic of a person who has not given important questions the thought they deserve (see for example her obscenely ignorant comment on the Pledge). The fact is that if she becomes president she will be a figurehead, and the people actually crafting policy behind the scene are not elected by the American people (they're also probably relatively intelligent and relatively non-religious (see Karl Rove, who is also a relatively ********** up excuse for a human being)).
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FaisonMars Muse Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 661	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus Allegedly tattoos are fine as long as you have a tattoo of a Christian Fish. Also, you cannot get the gas line through Alaska unless your 'heart is right with the Lord'. And no matter how hard you try, 'none of it [hard work] is any good' unless you are one with God. The Bible is very clear about tattoos, in the same books that forbids homosexuality: Leviticus 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD. It looks like Track is going to hell with the rest of the homos and shellfish eaters. Ah well, hate the sin, love the sinner.
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4th September 2008, 10:08 AM	#7
FaisonMars Muse Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 661	Ooh, Levi has at least one tattoo, too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_123748.html If he has "Bristol" on his ring finger, that MUST mean that it's true love forever....
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4th September 2008, 10:45 AM	#8
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,939	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus Dawkins? This is Sam Harris. The video is from Dawkins, and it's more of a general comment on that attitude (see for instance the remarks you quoted). In the article proper, Harris does not really attack her religious beliefs. ETA: Quote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_123748.html Awwww, they're gonna be together forever.
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Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,893	Cain, understood. Comically enough, Dawkins responds in the comments below the article. Originally Posted by Richard Dawkins Obama's priest is not up for election. Sarah Palin is. Listen to the speech (above) that she herself (the one who seriously aspires to be Vice President) made in her church. Marvel at her use of the English language, let alone her opinions. Spread it around. Encourage everybody to listen to this woman's own words. Spread this video from sea to shining sea. Richard =========== Originally Posted by fuelair Unfortunately, she isn't one of the 9. Agreed. This is a private gathering, not a public, accessable event. The last time a private gathering was thrust into the spotlight because of comments on religion, it was bittergate.
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Policenaut Infidel Defiler Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Shadow Moses Island Posts: 2,193	Obama ain't exactly an athiest either. She might be outspoken but Obama and religon aren't going to be separated if he wins. For anyone who wants less religion in the White House neither Republicans or Democrats will provide that.

4th September 2008, 01:01 PM	#12
Nogbad Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,515	Originally Posted by FaisonMars The Bible is very clear about tattoos, in the same books that forbids homosexuality: Leviticus 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD. It looks like Track is going to hell with the rest of the homos and shellfish eaters. Ah well, hate the sin, love the sinner. Not so long ago tattoos were a no no for the religious. Just shows the Bible does move with fashion
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4th September 2008, 01:06 PM	#13
Ausmerican Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,381	Originally Posted by Policenaut Obama ain't exactly an athiest either. She might be outspoken but Obama and religon aren't going to be separated if he wins. For anyone who wants less religion in the White House neither Republicans or Democrats will provide that. Obama may not be an antheist but both his parents were. Also his step father was regarded as an "apathetic" moslem by friends in Indonesia. So while he may not be an atheist he loves, respects, & understands at least some of them.
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4th September 2008, 01:13 PM	#14
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,939	Originally Posted by Policenaut Obama ain't exactly an athiest either. She might be outspoken but Obama and religon aren't going to be separated if he wins. For anyone who wants less religion in the White House neither Republicans or Democrats will provide that. It's well-known that Obama was raised in a secular environment -- I think both of his parents were atheists. A friend of mine read at least one of the Obama books and he would not be at all surprised if the guy is secretly an infidel.
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4th September 2008, 04:07 PM	#15
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,893	According to Dreams, Obama was an Atheist up to the time of his community work in Chicago. There is then a fairly bizzare chapter in which he goes to Trinity for the first time and sees women shrieking with tears whilst praising Jesus and several people talking in tongues. He never mentions a conversion, but it seems fairly obvious he became a Christian after that point. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a metaphorical Christian, picking and choosing the kind words from the Bible. I can't really see McCain believing any of it either, but thats simply speculation.
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