Eat Dead Burnt Bodies...

BPSCG · 9th September 2008, 04:36 AM

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Obama disclosed that he had once considered serving in the military.

“You know, I actually did,” Obama said. “I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school. And I was growing up in Hawaii. And I have friends whose parents were in the military. There are a lot of Army, military bases there.

“And I actually always thought of the military as an ennobling and, you know, honorable option. But keep in mind that I graduated in 1979. The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren't engaged in an active military conflict at that point. And so, it's not an option that I ever decided to pursue.”

Link.

Wait a minute. Obama considered enlisting but changed his mind when he found out he wasn't going to get a chance to shoot anyone?

Quote:

"And I went up there, I said, 'Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, kill, kill.' And I started jumpin' up and down yelling, 'Kill, kill,' and he started jumpin' up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, 'Kill, kill.' And the sergeant came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, 'You're our boy.' " -- Arlo Guthrie

mrbaracuda · 9th September 2008, 05:00 AM

What sauce for the bodies, Beeps?

Lonewulf · 9th September 2008, 05:05 AM

Lol.

You people really are desperate for dirt, aren't you?

This is hilarious.

mrbaracuda · 9th September 2008, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

You people

Those in your head, or who?

Quote:

This is hilarious.

I'd call it disturbing.

BPSCG · 9th September 2008, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

Lol.

You people really are desperate for dirt, aren't you?

This is hilarious.

Dirt? Nah. C'mon, I don't believe for a moment that Obama ever seriously wanted to kill anyone.

But admit it, the way he explains why he didn't join the service sounds kinda strange.

Professor Yaffle · 9th September 2008, 05:21 AM

It sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I am sure there are plenty of people out there who would consider signing up when their country is in a state of war, but wouldn't join up otherwise. And you really have to twist that to make it seem as if it is about wanting to kill people.

Lonewulf · 9th September 2008, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by mrbaracuda

Those in your head, or who?

I'd call it disturbing.

While I would love a battle of the wits, sir, I must refuse one against someone so unarmed.

uk_dave · 9th September 2008, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Link.

Wait a minute. Obama considered enlisting but changed his mind when he found out he wasn't going to get a chance to shoot anyone?

Typical librul.

applecorped · 9th September 2008, 06:34 AM

"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." -"Pogo" comic strip by Walt Kelly

applecorped · 9th September 2008, 06:37 AM

Probably the most famous Pogo quotation is "we have met the enemy and he is us." More than any other words written by Kelly, it perfectly sums up his attitude towards the foibles of mankind and the nature of the human condition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo_(c...e_enemy.....22

Lonewulf · 9th September 2008, 06:38 AM

As they say, imitation is the best form of flattery.

applecorped · 9th September 2008, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

As they say, imitation is the best form of flattery.

No flattery. Just putting in absent citations.

Brainster · 9th September 2008, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle

It sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I am sure there are plenty of people out there who would consider signing up when their country is in a state of war, but wouldn't join up otherwise. And you really have to twist that to make it seem as if it is about wanting to kill people.

You're right with the first part. But are there people who say to themselves, hey the military is an option, but there's no war going on so I'm not going. Sounds like Obama wants to be Orambo.

Lonewulf · 9th September 2008, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

No flattery. Just putting in absent citations.

How wonderful, that you're finally able to contribute something, no matter how small, to a thread.

Want a tip? I can't offer any more than $.02, though.

Originally Posted by Brainster

You're right with the first part. But are there people who say to themselves, hey the military is an option, but there's no war going on so I'm not going. Sounds like Obama wants to be Orambo.

Somehow I think that you would be saying differently if the person saying the particular quote was from a certain other party that you're affiliated with...

gdnp · 9th September 2008, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Link.

Wait a minute. Obama considered enlisting but changed his mind when he found out he wasn't going to get a chance to shoot anyone?

So you didn't consider the possibility that in the absence of a current threat to the country he thought his talents would be more productively spent elsewhere?

No, the only reason that people join the army during wartime is that they want to kill people. Not protect their families and their country.

Where's that sarcasm font when we need it.

And as a final thought, if your thread title gives some hint of the subject matter, such as "Obama considered joining the military?" it really kinda helps us keep them straight. The quote, which does not even come from Obama, is distasteful, misleading, and intellectually dishonest. Par for the course.

gdnp · 9th September 2008, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Sounds like Obama wants to be Orambo.

You've been spending too much time on Planet X. It sounds like he thinks that military service is honorable and he would have considered enlisting had the country been at war.

Lonewulf · 9th September 2008, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by gdnp

The quote, which does not even come from Obama, is distasteful, misleading, and intellectually dishonest. Par for the course.

What did you expect? This is the politics forum, not some nancy pancy skeptic's forum, where intellectual honesty is something that's actually good!

mrbaracuda · 9th September 2008, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by gdnp

The quote, which does not even come from Obama, is distasteful, misleading, and intellectually dishonest. Par for the course.

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

What did you expect? This is the politics forum, not some nancy pancy skeptic's forum, where intellectual honesty is something that's actually good!

Yea, the "-- Arlo Guthrie" at the end of the quote is very misleading and dishonest.

applecorped · 9th September 2008, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

How wonderful, that you're finally able to contribute something, no matter how small, to a thread.

Want a tip? I can't offer any more than $.02, though.

Somehow I think that you would be saying differently if the person saying the particular quote was from a certain other party that you're affiliated with...

No tip neccessary. Try not to pass other people's writings off as your own though.

BPSCG · 9th September 2008, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by gdnp

And as a final thought, if your thread title gives some hint of the subject matter, such as "Obama considered joining the military?" it really kinda helps us keep them straight.

In a forum called "2008 U.S. Presidential Election," did you think the thread was going to be about some crazy cannibalistic arsonist?

I like to have fun with my thread titles. Sorry if you disapprove. Just one more notch in my ever-growing notebook of anecdotes that show what a humorless lot leftists are.

Pookster · 9th September 2008, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

You're right with the first part. But are there people who say to themselves, hey the military is an option, but there's no war going on so I'm not going. Sounds like Obama wants to be Orambo.

Please, you're brighter than this.

mrbaracuda · 9th September 2008, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Just one more notch in my ever-growing notebook of anecdotes that show what a humorless lot leftists are.

But it's their Messiah, you can't just do this!

BPSCG · 9th September 2008, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by Barack Obama

"...But keep in mind that I graduated in 1979. The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren't engaged in an active military conflict at that point."

Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle

It sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I am sure there are plenty of people out there who would consider signing up when their country is in a state of war, but wouldn't join up otherwise.

Originally Posted by gdnp

It sounds like he thinks that military service is honorable and he would have considered enlisting had the country been at war.

So Obama is saying he would have enlisted if we'd still been bombing villages in Vietnam?

I'll bet that will go over big with his antiwar leftist constituency.

fishbob · 9th September 2008, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

In a forum called "2008 U.S. Presidential Election," did you think the thread was going to be about some crazy cannibalistic arsonist?

I like to have fun with my thread titles. Sorry if you disapprove. Just one more notch in my ever-growing notebook of anecdotes that show what a humorless lot leftists are.

Nah. I thought it was funny, so you are WRONG!!!!
Looks like the Group W bench for you, buddy.

BPSCG · 9th September 2008, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

I like to have fun with my thread titles. Sorry if you disapprove. Just one more notch in my ever-growing notebook of anecdotes that show what a humorless lot leftists are.

Originally Posted by fishbob

Nah. I thought it was funny, so you are WRONG!!!!
Looks like the Group W bench for you, buddy.

Okay, one notch on the "some liberals aren't humorless and surly" stick.

Now excuse me while I go sit with the father-rapers.

applecorped · 9th September 2008, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Okay, one notch on the "some liberals aren't humorless and surly" stick.

Now excuse me while I go sit with the father-rapers.

This is just another case of blind justice.

Lonewulf · 9th September 2008, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by mrbaracuda

Yea, the "-- Arlo Guthrie" at the end of the quote is very misleading and dishonest.

Eh?

Originally Posted by applecorped

No tip neccessary. Try not to pass other people's writings off as your own though.

I'm not the first one to use the line. Anyone with half a brain would know that I didn't invent it. Nor did I ever directly claim that I invented it.

Nice to see that you focus on what really matters.

Quad4_72 · 9th September 2008, 11:27 AM

I am not for Obama, but I can't stand people taking quotes out of context. BPSCG, you know damn well what Obama meant by that quote. You are acting just like all of those Bush haters who would spin every single quote from Bush into something bad. Its very dishonest.

applecorped · 9th September 2008, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

Eh?

I'm not the first one to use the line. Anyone with half a brain would know that I didn't invent it. Nor did I ever directly claim that I invented it.

Nice to see that you focus on what really matters.

This from a guy who doesn't even know who Arlo Guthrie is.

I didn't know you decided what really matters.

Lonewulf · 9th September 2008, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

This from a guy who doesn't even know who Arlo Guthrie is.

The "eh" I asked was not in asking who Arlo Guthrie was, it was asking what exactly that had to do with my statement.

For that matter, what the hell does me not knowing who Arlo Guthrie is have anything to do with me not claiming to have been the coiner of a specific phrase? Can you be any more scrambled in your argument?

Quote:

I didn't know you decided what really matters.

Ah hah hah... hah... hah.

Okay. In your opinion, it's a very important matter that I don't seem like I'm claiming ownership of a line that I haven't claimed ownership to.

I respect your opinion, and admit that I should follow through on it.

I resolve myself to 100 lashings for the crime of claiming ownership of something I didn't claim ownership to. After that, I give myself up to be taken to Guantanamo Bay and subjected to various bleeped-out interrogation techniques until I finally admit wrongdoing.

I can only apologize for all of the lives that I've destroyed, thanks to my not mentioning two words in my earlier post. I will even go all of the way and convert to Christianity, just so that I can pray to God for forgiveness every night for the offense.

But even that will not be enough. No, after subjecting myself to this for 8 full years, I will then beg even more forgiveness for supporting the satanic president that enjoys the taste of charred bodies, Obama. Then, on a cold night in Washington DC, I will take a Glock pistol and kill myself on a park bench in the middle of winter. Reporters will say that I suffered from White Liberal Guilt, and I will be buried in a commoner's grave without a name.

Thank you for showing me the error of my ways. I shall begin my long road to repentance.

BPSCG · 9th September 2008, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Quad4_72

I am not for Obama, but I can't stand people taking quotes out of context.

Please read the link, then come back and tell me what context I left out.

Originally Posted by Quad4_72

BPSCG, you know damn well what Obama meant by that quote. You are acting just like all of those Bush haters who would spin every single quote from Bush into something bad. Its very dishonest.

Okay, did you see my second post on this thread? The one where I said, "I don't believe for a moment that Obama ever seriously wanted to kill anyone"?

But what are we to make of it when someone says he didn't enlist because we weren't at war with anyone, and doesn't leave it at that, but suggests that he might have enlisted if what is arguably the most unpopular war in our history, a war that many Americans believe was wrong and unjust, had still been going on?

Do we conclude that he actually believes the Vietnam war was justified?

Or do we conclude that he's lying, and that he never had any more desire to serve in the military than I did when I was in college during that war, but wants to give people the impression that he's pro-military, but expressed himself in a very clumsy way?

Sorry, Quad4_72, I don't "know damn well what Obama meant by that quote." I'm open to other possible explanations.

Lonewulf · 9th September 2008, 12:01 PM

You're reading a lot into that that I don't even see.

So if you don't agree with the war on Iraq, you shouldn't volunteer or want to see the soldiers through, even after it's been engaged and it's difficult to pull out? Is that your standpoint?

Also, are you saying that a man should join the army at any point of time, period, if he likes the army or wants to protect his country, even if he sees other options available for serving his country?

Tony · 9th September 2008, 12:07 PM

Whats the point of joining the military when the country isn't at war?

applecorped · 9th September 2008, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

The "eh" I asked was not in asking who Arlo Guthrie was, it was asking what exactly that had to do with my statement.

For that matter, what the hell does me not knowing who Arlo Guthrie is have anything to do with me not claiming to have been the coiner of a specific phrase? Can you be any more scrambled in your argument?

Ah hah hah... hah... hah.

Okay. In your opinion, it's a very important matter that I don't seem like I'm claiming ownership of a line that I haven't claimed ownership to.

I respect your opinion, and admit that I should follow through on it.

I resolve myself to 100 lashings for the crime of claiming ownership of something I didn't claim ownership to. After that, I give myself up to be taken to Guantanamo Bay and subjected to various bleeped-out interrogation techniques until I finally admit wrongdoing.

I can only apologize for all of the lives that I've destroyed, thanks to my not mentioning two words in my earlier post. I will even go all of the way and convert to Christianity, just so that I can pray to God for forgiveness every night for the offense.

But even that will not be enough. No, after subjecting myself to this for 8 full years, I will then beg even more forgiveness for supporting the satanic president that enjoys the taste of charred bodies, Obama. Then, on a cold night in Washington DC, I will take a Glock pistol and kill myself on a park bench in the middle of winter. Reporters will say that I suffered from White Liberal Guilt, and I will be buried in a commoner's grave without a name.

Thank you for showing me the error of my ways. I shall begin my long road to repentance.

As much as I hate to say this.......that was funny.

You may not like my posts but I've gotta say that I enjoy yours.

mrbaracuda · 9th September 2008, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by applecorped

I didn't know you decided what really matters.

I guess he really cherishes his username.

Lonewulf · 9th September 2008, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Tony

Whats the point of joining the military when the country isn't at war?

Training, learning skills, making sure we have a ready army in case something does come up, secondary uses for the military besides simply war.

There's plenty of reasons to join the army when outside of a war. But that doesn't mean that someone should feel that they have to. When the country is at war is when the war in itself is most important, when soldiers are most needed.

Originally Posted by applecorped

As much as I hate to say this.......that was funny.

You may not like my posts but I've gotta say that I enjoy yours.

I'm glad to have pleased. I figure if you can't fight 'em with words, fight 'em with laughs.

Originally Posted by mrbaracuda

I guess he really cherishes his username.

I'm glad to have not pleased. I figure if you can't fight 'em with laughs, then screw 'em altogether.

Gotta admit, if it's a choice between being a lone wolf and earning the praise of someone like mrbaracuda... well, that's a pretty easy choice for me to make, and I don't regret anything. I have other things to do than troll for pats on the head.

Pookster · 9th September 2008, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Please read the link, then come back and tell me what context I left out.

Okay, did you see my second post on this thread? The one where I said, "I don't believe for a moment that Obama ever seriously wanted to kill anyone"?

But what are we to make of it when someone says he didn't enlist because we weren't at war with anyone, and doesn't leave it at that, but suggests that he might have enlisted if what is arguably the most unpopular war in our history, a war that many Americans believe was wrong and unjust, had still been going on?

Do we conclude that he actually believes the Vietnam war was justified?

Or do we conclude that he's lying, and that he never had any more desire to serve in the military than I did when I was in college during that war, but wants to give people the impression that he's pro-military, but expressed himself in a very clumsy way?

Sorry, Quad4_72, I don't "know damn well what Obama meant by that quote." I'm open to other possible explanations.

I would recommend you not conclude anything based on the speculation you're presenting. He had signed up for Selective Service. I don't think it's unusual for a young man to think about the military as an option when leaving high school. From his statement, the only thing you can conclude is that the military didn't present an option attractive to him based on the situation at that point in time.

As I commented to Brainster, you're brighter than this.

mrbaracuda · 9th September 2008, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

fight 'em
fight 'em
fight 'em
screw 'em

Uh, yea! Onward Lonewulf soldiers!

Lonewulf · 9th September 2008, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by mrbaracuda

Uh, yea! Onward Lonewulf soldiers!

I think you made a typo in making that plural.

mrbaracuda · 9th September 2008, 12:51 PM

Somewhere out there, on a message board far far away..

9th September 2008, 04:36 AM	#1
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Eat Dead Burnt Bodies... Quote: Obama disclosed that he had once considered serving in the military. “You know, I actually did,” Obama said. “I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school. And I was growing up in Hawaii. And I have friends whose parents were in the military. There are a lot of Army, military bases there. “And I actually always thought of the military as an ennobling and, you know, honorable option. But keep in mind that I graduated in 1979. The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren't engaged in an active military conflict at that point. And so, it's not an option that I ever decided to pursue.” Link. Wait a minute. Obama considered enlisting but changed his mind when he found out he wasn't going to get a chance to shoot anyone? Quote: "And I went up there, I said, 'Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, kill, kill.' And I started jumpin' up and down yelling, 'Kill, kill,' and he started jumpin' up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, 'Kill, kill.' And the sergeant came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, 'You're our boy.' " -- Arlo Guthrie
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9th September 2008, 05:05 AM	#3
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Lol. You people really are desperate for dirt, aren't you? This is hilarious.
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9th September 2008, 05:19 AM	#5
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by Lonewulf Lol. You people really are desperate for dirt, aren't you? This is hilarious. Dirt? Nah. C'mon, I don't believe for a moment that Obama ever seriously wanted to kill anyone. But admit it, the way he explains why he didn't join the service sounds kinda strange.
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Professor Yaffle Butterbeans and Breadcrumbs Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Emily's shop Posts: 15,356	It sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I am sure there are plenty of people out there who would consider signing up when their country is in a state of war, but wouldn't join up otherwise. And you really have to twist that to make it seem as if it is about wanting to kill people.
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Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by mrbaracuda Those in your head, or who? I'd call it disturbing. While I would love a battle of the wits, sir, I must refuse one against someone so unarmed.
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9th September 2008, 05:19 AM	#4
mrbaracuda Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,799	Originally Posted by Lonewulf You people Those in your head, or who? Quote: This is hilarious. I'd call it disturbing.

9th September 2008, 06:34 AM	#8
uk_dave Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,866	Originally Posted by BPSCG Link. Wait a minute. Obama considered enlisting but changed his mind when he found out he wasn't going to get a chance to shoot anyone? Typical librul.
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9th September 2008, 06:46 AM	#12
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 10,662	Originally Posted by Lonewulf As they say, imitation is the best form of flattery. No flattery. Just putting in absent citations.
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9th September 2008, 06:48 AM	#13
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,430	Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle It sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I am sure there are plenty of people out there who would consider signing up when their country is in a state of war, but wouldn't join up otherwise. And you really have to twist that to make it seem as if it is about wanting to kill people. You're right with the first part. But are there people who say to themselves, hey the military is an option, but there's no war going on so I'm not going. Sounds like Obama wants to be Orambo.
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9th September 2008, 06:48 AM	#14
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by applecorped No flattery. Just putting in absent citations. How wonderful, that you're finally able to contribute something, no matter how small, to a thread. Want a tip? I can't offer any more than $.02, though. Originally Posted by Brainster You're right with the first part. But are there people who say to themselves, hey the military is an option, but there's no war going on so I'm not going. Sounds like Obama wants to be Orambo. Somehow I think that you would be saying differently if the person saying the particular quote was from a certain other party that you're affiliated with...
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9th September 2008, 06:53 AM	#15
gdnp useless idiot Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Jersey-You gotta problem wit dat? Posts: 4,999	Originally Posted by BPSCG Link. Wait a minute. Obama considered enlisting but changed his mind when he found out he wasn't going to get a chance to shoot anyone? So you didn't consider the possibility that in the absence of a current threat to the country he thought his talents would be more productively spent elsewhere? No, the only reason that people join the army during wartime is that they want to kill people. Not protect their families and their country. Where's that sarcasm font when we need it. And as a final thought, if your thread title gives some hint of the subject matter, such as "Obama considered joining the military?" it really kinda helps us keep them straight. The quote, which does not even come from Obama, is distasteful, misleading, and intellectually dishonest. Par for the course.

9th September 2008, 06:56 AM	#16
gdnp useless idiot Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Jersey-You gotta problem wit dat? Posts: 4,999	Originally Posted by Brainster Sounds like Obama wants to be Orambo. You've been spending too much time on Planet X. It sounds like he thinks that military service is honorable and he would have considered enlisting had the country been at war.

9th September 2008, 06:57 AM	#17
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by gdnp The quote, which does not even come from Obama, is distasteful, misleading, and intellectually dishonest. Par for the course. What did you expect? This is the politics forum, not some nancy pancy skeptic's forum, where intellectual honesty is something that's actually good!
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9th September 2008, 07:18 AM	#18
mrbaracuda Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,799	Originally Posted by gdnp The quote, which does not even come from Obama, is distasteful, misleading, and intellectually dishonest. Par for the course. Originally Posted by Lonewulf What did you expect? This is the politics forum, not some nancy pancy skeptic's forum, where intellectual honesty is something that's actually good! Yea, the *"-- Arlo Guthrie"* at the end of the quote is very misleading and dishonest.

9th September 2008, 07:25 AM	#19
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 10,662	Originally Posted by Lonewulf How wonderful, that you're finally able to contribute something, no matter how small, to a thread. Want a tip? I can't offer any more than $.02, though. Somehow I think that you would be saying differently if the person saying the particular quote was from a certain other party that you're affiliated with... No tip neccessary. Try not to pass other people's writings off as your own though.
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9th September 2008, 07:41 AM	#20
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by gdnp And as a final thought, if your thread title gives some hint of the subject matter, such as "Obama considered joining the military?" it really kinda helps us keep them straight. In a forum called "2008 U.S. Presidential Election," did you think the thread was going to be about some crazy cannibalistic arsonist? I like to have fun with my thread titles. Sorry if you disapprove. Just one more notch in my ever-growing notebook of anecdotes that show what a humorless lot leftists are.
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9th September 2008, 07:49 AM	#21
Pookster Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Southeast USA Posts: 1,788	Originally Posted by Brainster You're right with the first part. But are there people who say to themselves, hey the military is an option, but there's no war going on so I'm not going. Sounds like Obama wants to be Orambo. Please, you're brighter than this.

9th September 2008, 07:49 AM	#22
mrbaracuda Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,799	Originally Posted by BPSCG Just one more notch in my ever-growing notebook of anecdotes that show what a humorless lot leftists are. But it's their Messiah, you can't just do this!

9th September 2008, 07:53 AM	#23
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by Barack Obama "...But keep in mind that I graduated in 1979. The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren't engaged in an active military conflict at that point." Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle It sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I am sure there are plenty of people out there who would consider signing up when their country is in a state of war, but wouldn't join up otherwise. Originally Posted by gdnp It sounds like he thinks that military service is honorable and he would have considered enlisting had the country been at war. So Obama is saying he would have enlisted if we'd still been bombing villages in Vietnam? I'll bet that will go over big with his antiwar leftist constituency.
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9th September 2008, 08:49 AM	#24
fishbob Seasonally Disaffected Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chilly Undieville Posts: 5,667	Originally Posted by BPSCG In a forum called "2008 U.S. Presidential Election," did you think the thread was going to be about some crazy cannibalistic arsonist? I like to have fun with my thread titles. Sorry if you disapprove. Just one more notch in my ever-growing notebook of anecdotes that show what a humorless lot leftists are. Nah. I thought it was funny, so you are WRONG!!!! Looks like the Group W bench for you, buddy.
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9th September 2008, 09:04 AM	#25
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by BPSCG I like to have fun with my thread titles. Sorry if you disapprove. Just one more notch in my ever-growing notebook of anecdotes that show what a humorless lot leftists are. Originally Posted by fishbob Nah. I thought it was funny, so you are WRONG!!!! Looks like the Group W bench for you, buddy. Okay, one notch on the "some liberals aren't humorless and surly" stick. Now excuse me while I go sit with the father-rapers.
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9th September 2008, 09:54 AM	#26
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 10,662	Originally Posted by BPSCG Okay, one notch on the "some liberals aren't humorless and surly" stick. Now excuse me while I go sit with the father-rapers. This is just another case of blind justice.
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9th September 2008, 11:13 AM	#27
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by mrbaracuda Yea, the *"-- Arlo Guthrie"* at the end of the quote is very misleading and dishonest. Eh? Originally Posted by applecorped No tip neccessary. Try not to pass other people's writings off as your own though. I'm not the first one to use the line. Anyone with half a brain would know that I didn't invent it. Nor did I ever directly claim that I invented it. Nice to see that you focus on what really matters.
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9th September 2008, 11:27 AM	#28
Quad4_72 AI-EE-YAH! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Posts: 5,830	I am not for Obama, but I can't stand people taking quotes out of context. BPSCG, you know damn well what Obama meant by that quote. You are acting just like all of those Bush haters who would spin every single quote from Bush into something bad. Its very dishonest.
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9th September 2008, 11:39 AM	#29
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 10,662	Originally Posted by Lonewulf Eh? I'm not the first one to use the line. Anyone with half a brain would know that I didn't invent it. Nor did I ever directly claim that I invented it. Nice to see that you focus on what really matters. This from a guy who doesn't even know who Arlo Guthrie is. I didn't know you decided what really matters.
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9th September 2008, 11:47 AM	#30
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by applecorped This from a guy who doesn't even know who Arlo Guthrie is. The "eh" I asked was not in asking who Arlo Guthrie was, it was asking what exactly that had to do with my statement. For that matter, what the hell does me not knowing who Arlo Guthrie is have anything to do with me not claiming to have been the coiner of a specific phrase? Can you be any more scrambled in your argument? Quote: I didn't know you decided what really matters. Ah hah hah... hah... hah. Okay. In your opinion, it's a very important matter that I don't seem like I'm claiming ownership of a line that I haven't claimed ownership to. I respect your opinion, and admit that I should follow through on it. I resolve myself to 100 lashings for the crime of claiming ownership of something I didn't claim ownership to. After that, I give myself up to be taken to Guantanamo Bay and subjected to various bleeped-out interrogation techniques until I finally admit wrongdoing. I can only apologize for all of the lives that I've destroyed, thanks to my not mentioning two words in my earlier post. I will even go all of the way and convert to Christianity, just so that I can pray to God for forgiveness every night for the offense. But even that will not be enough. No, after subjecting myself to this for 8 full years, I will then beg even more forgiveness for supporting the satanic president that enjoys the taste of charred bodies, Obama. Then, on a cold night in Washington DC, I will take a Glock pistol and kill myself on a park bench in the middle of winter. Reporters will say that I suffered from White Liberal Guilt, and I will be buried in a commoner's grave without a name. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways. I shall begin my long road to repentance.
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9th September 2008, 11:53 AM	#31
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by Quad4_72 I am not for Obama, but I can't stand people taking quotes out of context. Please read the link, then come back and tell me what context I left out. Originally Posted by Quad4_72 BPSCG, you know damn well what Obama meant by that quote. You are acting just like all of those Bush haters who would spin every single quote from Bush into something bad. Its very dishonest. Okay, did you see my second post on this thread? The one where I said, "I don't believe for a moment that Obama ever seriously wanted to kill anyone"? But what are we to make of it when someone says he didn't enlist because we weren't at war with anyone, and doesn't leave it at that, but suggests that he might have enlisted if what is arguably the most unpopular war in our history, a war that many Americans believe was wrong and unjust, had still been going on? Do we conclude that he actually believes the Vietnam war was justified? Or do we conclude that he's lying, and that he never had any more desire to serve in the military than I did when I was in college during that war, but wants to give people the impression that he's pro-military, but expressed himself in a very clumsy way? Sorry, Quad4_72, I *don't* "know damn well what Obama meant by that quote." I'm open to other possible explanations.
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9th September 2008, 12:01 PM	#32
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	You're reading a lot into that that I don't even see. So if you don't agree with the war on Iraq, you shouldn't volunteer or want to see the soldiers through, even after it's been engaged and it's difficult to pull out? Is that your standpoint? Also, are you saying that a man should join the army at any point of time, period, if he likes the army or wants to protect his country, even if he sees other options available for serving his country?
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9th September 2008, 12:07 PM	#33
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9th September 2008, 12:08 PM	#34
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 10,662	Originally Posted by Lonewulf The "eh" I asked was not in asking who Arlo Guthrie was, it was asking what exactly that had to do with my statement. For that matter, what the hell does me not knowing who Arlo Guthrie is have anything to do with me not claiming to have been the coiner of a specific phrase? Can you be any more scrambled in your argument? Ah hah hah... hah... hah. Okay. In your opinion, it's a very important matter that I don't seem like I'm claiming ownership of a line that I haven't claimed ownership to. I respect your opinion, and admit that I should follow through on it. I resolve myself to 100 lashings for the crime of claiming ownership of something I didn't claim ownership to. After that, I give myself up to be taken to Guantanamo Bay and subjected to various bleeped-out interrogation techniques until I finally admit wrongdoing. I can only apologize for all of the lives that I've destroyed, thanks to my not mentioning two words in my earlier post. I will even go all of the way and convert to Christianity, just so that I can pray to God for forgiveness every night for the offense. But even that will not be enough. No, after subjecting myself to this for 8 full years, I will then beg even more forgiveness for supporting the satanic president that enjoys the taste of charred bodies, Obama. Then, on a cold night in Washington DC, I will take a Glock pistol and kill myself on a park bench in the middle of winter. Reporters will say that I suffered from White Liberal Guilt, and I will be buried in a commoner's grave without a name. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways. I shall begin my long road to repentance. As much as I hate to say this.......that was funny. You may not like my posts but I've gotta say that I enjoy yours.
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9th September 2008, 12:11 PM	#35
mrbaracuda Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,799	Originally Posted by applecorped I didn't know you decided what really matters. I guess he really cherishes his username.