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HarryKeogh · 11th September 2008, 10:30 AM

A short article by Roger Ebert in today's Chicago Sun Times.

Thumbs up to Roger.

Alferd_Packer · 11th September 2008, 10:57 AM

Quote:

The most damning indictment against her is that she considered herself a good choice to be a heartbeat away. That shows bad judgment.

LOL

Wangler · 11th September 2008, 04:46 PM

That article is pretty poorly written. I'll admit that he can sometimes pick an alright movie, though.

Drudgewire · 11th September 2008, 05:41 PM

Ebert wrote "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls," therefore disqualifying him for life from my giving a rat's patoot what he thinks about politics.

But man he's written some awesome reviews. The one for Hillary Duff's A Cinderella's Story springs to mind.

applecorped · 11th September 2008, 05:43 PM

A movie reviewer? What next, Gordon Ramsey's opinion?

Corsair 115 · 11th September 2008, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by applecorped

A movie reviewer? What next, Gordon Ramsey's opinion?

Well, I bet Ramsay's opinion would be quite entertaining to listen to, what with all the cursing it would contain.

ProbeX · 11th September 2008, 07:40 PM

Well, he made a few good points. Five schools in six years (for a journalism degree), while sniveling at Ivy leaguers? ... Come on now.

applecorped · 11th September 2008, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

Well, I bet Ramsay's opinion would be quite entertaining to listen to, what with all the cursing it would contain.

I admit it. I watched Kitchen Nightmares tonight

bozothedeathmachine · 12th September 2008, 12:14 AM

While I find it bit silly that everyone and their mother, including Ebert and Matt Damon, thrust themselves into the pundit spotlight, I can understand it when they ask simple questions. I would be incredulous if some actor started to pick apart fiscal, energy, foreign (etc.) policies. But someone asking "Dinosaurs 4000 years ago? Seriously?" is fair game. I don't live in the US, so I don't know what kind of coverage she is getting there. All I get here is CNN International, but everyone certainly seems caught up in the style of Palin, without questioning her substance (this forum excepted, of course).

If it takes a celebrity to bring simple questions to the front, more power to them. Especially given the level of celebrity worship in the US.

Whiplash · 12th September 2008, 12:17 AM

I'd actually like to know what Michael Palin thinks.

No, seriously.

UnrepentantSinner · 12th September 2008, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

A movie reviewer?

Tell me about it. The next thing you know sportscasters will be running for the vice-presidency.

bobdroege7 · 12th September 2008, 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner

Tell me about it. The next thing you know sportscasters will be running for the vice-presidency.

And then we will have sportscasters running for President.

and winning.

Let us hope history is not repeating.

Undesired Walrus · 12th September 2008, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

A movie reviewer? What next, Gordon Ramsey's opinion?

Why should that matter? A taxi driver could give the most succinct, thoughtful reasons as to why Palin shouldn't be elected, and his profession shouldn't disqualify that.

bozothedeathmachine · 12th September 2008, 03:04 AM

Too late to edit my last comment.

Some "celebrities" are a bit more succinct than others.

Cain · 12th September 2008, 03:12 AM

What a snob. I'm especially offended by his interesting argument, which, if I believed it, would reduce my opinion of the good Mrs. Palin as second in line... so I'm just gonna dismiss him as a silly movie critic and even sillier screenwriter. Take that, Rog!

applecorped · 12th September 2008, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

Why should that matter? A taxi driver could give the most succinct, thoughtful reasons as to why Palin shouldn't be elected, and his profession shouldn't disqualify that.

You're right, why should Roger Ebert's opinion matter? You know the old saying. Opinions are like bumholes, everybody's got one.

UnrepentantSinner · 12th September 2008, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

You're right, why should Roger Ebert's opinion matter? You know the old saying. Opinions are like bumholes, everybody's got one.

For me, the real issue is whether they merely share one or act like one.

Alferd_Packer · 12th September 2008, 07:41 AM

If any of you bothered to read the article, you will see that Ebert actually has a very valid point.

Quote:

I think I might be able to explain some of Sarah Palin's appeal. She's the "American Idol" candidate. Consider. What defines an "American Idol" finalist? They're good-looking, work well on television, have a sunny personality, are fierce competitors, and so talented, why, they're darned near the real thing. There's a reason "American Idol" gets such high ratings. People identify with the contestants. They think, Hey, that could be me up there on that show!

It isn’t so much a political commentary as it is a cultural commentary, something that I thing he well qualified to give.

shemp · 12th September 2008, 07:44 AM

I wish to complain regarding the title of this thread. I came here expecting to see pr0n.

Alferd_Packer · 12th September 2008, 07:51 AM

Dude, I need some industrial strength bleach and a steel wire brush to scrub that image out of my head.

You need professional help.

applecorped · 12th September 2008, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

If any of you bothered to read the article, you will see that Ebert actually has a very valid point.

Quote:
I think I might be able to explain some of Barak Obam's appeal. He's the "American Idol" candidate. Consider. What defines an "American Idol" finalist? They're good-looking, work well on television, have a sunny personality, are fierce competitors, and so talented, why, they're darned near the real thing. There's a reason "American Idol" gets such high ratings. People identify with the contestants. They think, Hey, that could be me up there on that show!

It isn’t so much a political commentary as it is a cultural commentary, something that I thing he well qualified to give.

It's fluff.

corplinx · 12th September 2008, 10:27 AM

Ebert writes thoughtful political articles sometimes. His explanation of school prayer issues was one of the best I have read for trying to explain it to a layman.

They are his opinions of course, but I think he's earned enough street cred for his articles to be taken seriously. Despite the whole Valley of the Dolls thing.

BPSCG · 12th September 2008, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by shemp

I wish to complain regarding the title of this thread. I came here expecting to see pr0n.

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

Dude, I need some industrial strength bleach and a steel wire brush to scrub that image out of my head.

You need professional help.

I believe this may be the first time I have ever agreed with Alferd_Packer.

Which just goes to prove what a disgusting, depraved, debauched piece of semi-humanity Shemp is.

Back to your goats, perv!

Cicero · 12th September 2008, 11:45 AM

It appears Ole Roger was in the lobby getting his oil drum of popcorn during the scene where Palin's travel itinerary was covered.

***..."And how can a politician her age have never have gone to Europe?"...*** R.E.

***..."What kind of a person (who has the money) arrives at the age of 44 and has only been out of the country once, on an official tour to Iraq?"...*** R.E.

She has been to Canada, Mexico and made a trip to Kuwait to visit Alaskan National Guard Troops serving there in July 2007 and to Landstuhl, Germany to visit wounded soldiers. Last I checked, Germany was still in Europe.

bozothedeathmachine · 12th September 2008, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

She has been to Canada, Mexico and made a trip to Kuwait to visit Alaskan National Guard Troops serving there in July 2007 and to Landstuhl, Germany to visit wounded soldiers. Last I checked, Germany was still in Europe.

If this is true (and I'm far too lazy to fact check right now) then you may win the argument, but purely on a technicality. The spirit of piece is that she's never experienced other cultures. Visiting US installations, whether they be in Europe or the Middle East doesn't really qualify. Going to Vancouver or Cancun for a week's holiday doesn't really qualify either.

Basically, has she ever had to say anything in a foreign tongue more than "Una Margarita, por favor"?

andyandy · 12th September 2008, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

It appears Ole Roger was in the lobby getting his oil drum of popcorn during the scene where Palin's travel itinerary was covered.

***..."And how can a politician her age have never have gone to Europe?"...*** R.E.

***..."What kind of a person (who has the money) arrives at the age of 44 and has only been out of the country once, on an official tour to Iraq?"...*** R.E.

She has been to Canada, Mexico and made a trip to Kuwait to visit Alaskan National Guard Troops serving there in July 2007 and to Landstuhl, Germany to visit wounded soldiers. Last I checked, Germany was still in Europe.

So it only took 40 odd years to leave the Americas? Well, she is positively a globetrotter

when did she visit Mexico? Is the story that she had to apply for a passport to go to Kuwait not correct?

Cicero · 12th September 2008, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by bozothedeathmachine

If this is true (and I'm far too lazy to fact check right now) then you may win the argument, but purely on a technicality. The spirit of piece is that she's never experienced other cultures. Visiting US installations, whether they be in Europe or the Middle East doesn't really qualify. Going to Vancouver or Cancun for a week's holiday doesn't really qualify either.

Basically, has she ever had to say anything in a foreign tongue more than "Una Margarita, por favor"?

Can you tell me all the exotic foreign locals Jimmy Carter visited before he became President? Other than his cruises in a submarine in the Pacific and Atlantic while in the Navy, where did he experience other cultures? If he ever had shore leave, say in the Philippines, were did he go? I wonder where most sailors go?

Darth Rotor · 12th September 2008, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by bobdroege7

And then we will have sportscasters running for President.

and winning.

Let us hope history is not repeating.

ESPN's Chris Berman for president.

He gets my vote.

UnrepentantSinner · 12th September 2008, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

If he ever had shore leave, say in the Philippines, were did he go? I wonder where most sailors go?

Olongopo City... if they're lucky.

bozothedeathmachine · 13th September 2008, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by Cicero

Can you tell me all the exotic foreign locals Jimmy Carter visited before he became President? Other than his cruises in a submarine in the Pacific and Atlantic while in the Navy, where did he experience other cultures? If he ever had shore leave, say in the Philippines, were did he go? I wonder where most sailors go?

And we all know what a fabulous presidency he had. I don't remember his foreign poliy getting rave reviews (I really don't, I was 2), but history doesn't look on his term kindly.

But I think you have found the only way to compare Palin to Carter.

Nice tu coque, by the way.

Undesired Walrus · 13th September 2008, 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by Cicero

Can you tell me all the exotic foreign locals Jimmy Carter visited before he became President? Other than his cruises in a submarine in the Pacific and Atlantic while in the Navy, where did he experience other cultures? If he ever had shore leave, say in the Philippines, were did he go? I wonder where most sailors go?

And you were a fan of Jimmy Carter were you?

mhaze · 13th September 2008, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by bozothedeathmachine

If this is true (and I'm far too lazy to fact check right now) then you may win the argument, but purely on a technicality. The spirit of piece is that she's never experienced other cultures. ....Basically, has she ever had to say anything in a foreign tongue more than "Una Margarita, por favor"?

Usted pegado en estupido, tal vez?

How much do you know about Inuit?

shemp · 13th September 2008, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

Dude, I need some industrial strength bleach and a steel wire brush to scrub that image out of my head.

You need professional help.

I already got some. You should have seen me before.

shemp · 13th September 2008, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

I believe this may be the first time I have ever agreed with Alferd_Packer.

Which just goes to prove what a disgusting, depraved, debauched piece of semi-humanity Shemp is.

Back to your goats, perv!

You are too kind sirrah. I accept your forthcoming apology in advance.

Cicero · 13th September 2008, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

And you were a fan of Jimmy Carter were you?

Whom do you think Roger Ebert voted for in 1975, Ford, the guy who pardoned Nixon, or Carter? Since Carter was no globe trotter until the age of 52, his new standard for VP qualifications is mystifying.

gdnp · 13th September 2008, 08:34 AM

I'd like to hear more critiques of the content rather than the speaker. I agree with what he says 100%

As to her "trip of a lifetime". It has now been established that she visited Alaska national guard troops in Kuwait, but did not cross over into Iraq as originally claimed. (It is unclear how much she commanded them while she was there).

It has also been established that her stop in Ireland was for refueling.

I have been unable to unearth any information about the German portion of her trip: how long she was there, who she met, where she went. I had the impression she was again visiting Alaska national guard troops, suggesting most of her time was probably spent at US military bases. Does anyone have any info?

Cicero · 13th September 2008, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by gdnp

I'd like to hear more critiques of the content rather than the speaker. I agree with what he says 100%

As to her "trip of a lifetime". It has now been established that she visited Alaska national guard troops in Kuwait, but did not cross over into Iraq as originally claimed. (It is unclear how much she commanded them while she was there).

It has also been established that her stop in Ireland was for refueling.

I have been unable to unearth any information about the German portion of her trip: how long she was there, who she met, where she went. I had the impression she was again visiting Alaska national guard troops, suggesting most of her time was probably spent at US military bases. Does anyone have any info?

The "content", that is riddled with errors and shows an inherent bias, was written by a die hard liberal. Whether Ebert offers opinions on politics or opinions on films, they are opinions. At least when he was on "At The Movies," Gene Siskel was there to challenge Ebert's opinions. In this article, nobody could call him on his contrived qualification of a VP candidate's travel history beyond the U.S.A., when the lack of said qualification never bothered him about Carter's credentials to be President.

gdnp · 13th September 2008, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

The "content", that is riddled with errors and shows an inherent bias, was written by a die hard liberal. Whether Ebert offers opinions on politics or opinions on films, they are opinions. At least when he was on "At The Movies," Gene Siskel was there to challenge Ebert's opinions. In this article, nobody could call him on his contrived qualification of a VP candidate's travel history beyond the U.S.A., when the lack of said qualification never bothered him about Carter's credentials to be President.

"riddled with errors"? perhaps you would like to point these out. The best you have done is a claim that a stopover in Germany to visit wounded soldiers should be classified as a "trip to Europe".

Tell me, during this time did she go sightseeing, visit a museum, shop for souvenirs, eat in a restaurant? Did she actually talk to any German citizens? She may have. Or did she get off the plane, take a limo to a military base, shake some hands, have a meal or two with the troops, take a limo back to the airport, and then fly on to Kuwait. She may have spent a day, or a week. Don't know. Palin's campaign has not released the itinerary, to my knowledge. Draw your own conclusions.

Regnad Kcin · 13th September 2008, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Cicero

The "content", that is riddled with errors and shows an inherent bias...

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

bozothedeathmachine · 13th September 2008, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by gdnp

Or did she get off the plane, take a limo to a military base, shake some hands, have a meal or two with the troops, take a limo back to the airport, and then fly on to Kuwait.

This was my point. I've been to Ramstein AFB when I was in Germany semi-long-term for business. Ramstein was like a little American oasis. Unless you turned on the radio or TV (or were familiar with European flora) you would have no idea you were in a foreign country. Hence my comment on winning on a technicality. Ramstien/Landstuhl may count as foreign soil, but it's as far from "foreign" as one can get. One gets more foreign cred going to Taco Bell.

11th September 2008, 10:30 AM	#1
HarryKeogh Catholic School Survivor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,342	Roger Ebert on Sarah Palin A short article by Roger Ebert in today's Chicago Sun Times. Thumbs up to Roger.

11th September 2008, 10:57 AM	#2
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11th September 2008, 05:41 PM	#4
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11th September 2008, 05:43 PM	#5
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 10,835	A movie reviewer? What next, Gordon Ramsey's opinion?
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11th September 2008, 07:31 PM	#6
Corsair 115 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 8,684	Originally Posted by applecorped A movie reviewer? What next, Gordon Ramsey's opinion? Well, I bet Ramsay's opinion would be quite entertaining to listen to, what with all the cursing it would contain.
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11th September 2008, 04:46 PM	#3
Wangler Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: OH State Posts: 2,230	That article is pretty poorly written. I'll admit that he can sometimes pick an alright movie, though.

11th September 2008, 07:40 PM	#7
ProbeX Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,443	Well, he made a few good points. Five schools in six years (for a journalism degree), while sniveling at Ivy leaguers? ... Come on now.
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11th September 2008, 07:42 PM	#8
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 10,835	Originally Posted by Corsair 115 Well, I bet Ramsay's opinion would be quite entertaining to listen to, what with all the cursing it would contain. I admit it. I watched Kitchen Nightmares tonight
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12th September 2008, 12:14 AM	#9
bozothedeathmachine Muse Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Zürich Posts: 626	While I find it bit silly that everyone and their mother, including Ebert and Matt Damon, thrust themselves into the pundit spotlight, I can understand it when they ask simple questions. I would be incredulous if some actor started to pick apart fiscal, energy, foreign (etc.) policies. But someone asking "Dinosaurs 4000 years ago? Seriously?" is fair game. I don't live in the US, so I don't know what kind of coverage she is getting there. All I get here is CNN International, but everyone certainly seems caught up in the style of Palin, without questioning her substance (this forum excepted, of course). If it takes a celebrity to bring simple questions to the front, more power to them. Especially given the level of celebrity worship in the US.

12th September 2008, 12:17 AM	#10
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12th September 2008, 12:20 AM	#11
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,446	Originally Posted by applecorped A movie reviewer? Tell me about it. The next thing you know sportscasters will be running for the vice-presidency.
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12th September 2008, 01:09 AM	#12
bobdroege7 Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,041	Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner Tell me about it. The next thing you know sportscasters will be running for the vice-presidency. And then we will have sportscasters running for President. and winning. Let us hope history is not repeating.
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12th September 2008, 01:10 AM	#13
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,904	Originally Posted by applecorped A movie reviewer? What next, Gordon Ramsey's opinion? Why should that matter? A taxi driver could give the most succinct, thoughtful reasons as to why Palin shouldn't be elected, and his profession shouldn't disqualify that.
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12th September 2008, 03:04 AM	#14
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12th September 2008, 03:12 AM	#15
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 7,008	What a snob. I'm especially offended by his interesting argument, which, if I believed it, would reduce my opinion of the good Mrs. Palin as second in line... so I'm just gonna dismiss him as a silly movie critic and even sillier screenwriter. Take that, Rog!
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12th September 2008, 04:13 AM	#16
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 10,835	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus Why should that matter? A taxi driver could give the most succinct, thoughtful reasons as to why Palin shouldn't be elected, and his profession shouldn't disqualify that. You're right, why should Roger Ebert's opinion matter? You know the old saying. Opinions are like bumholes, everybody's got one.
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12th September 2008, 04:29 AM	#17
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,446	Originally Posted by applecorped You're right, why should Roger Ebert's opinion matter? You know the old saying. Opinions are like bumholes, everybody's got one. For me, the real issue is whether they merely share one or act like one.
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12th September 2008, 07:41 AM	#18
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,279	If any of you bothered to read the article, you will see that Ebert actually has a very valid point. Quote: I think I might be able to explain some of Sarah Palin's appeal. She's the "American Idol" candidate. Consider. What defines an "American Idol" finalist? They're good-looking, work well on television, have a sunny personality, are fierce competitors, and so talented, why, they're darned near the real thing. There's a reason "American Idol" gets such high ratings. People identify with the contestants. They think, Hey, that could be me up there on that show! It isn’t so much a political commentary as it is a cultural commentary, something that I thing he well qualified to give.
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12th September 2008, 07:44 AM	#19
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12th September 2008, 07:51 AM	#20
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12th September 2008, 08:11 AM	#21
applecorped Rotten to the Core Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 10,835	Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer If any of you bothered to read the article, you will see that Ebert actually has a very valid point. Quote: I think I might be able to explain some of Barak Obam's appeal. He's the "American Idol" candidate. Consider. What defines an "American Idol" finalist? They're good-looking, work well on television, have a sunny personality, are fierce competitors, and so talented, why, they're darned near the real thing. There's a reason "American Idol" gets such high ratings. People identify with the contestants. They think, Hey, that could be me up there on that show! It isn’t so much a political commentary as it is a cultural commentary, something that I thing he well qualified to give. It's fluff.
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12th September 2008, 10:27 AM	#22
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12th September 2008, 11:28 AM	#23
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12th September 2008, 11:45 AM	#24
Cicero Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7,861	It appears Ole Roger was in the lobby getting his oil drum of popcorn during the scene where Palin's travel itinerary was covered. *..."And how can a politician her age have never have gone to Europe?"...* R.E. *..."What kind of a person (who has the money) arrives at the age of 44 and has only been out of the country once, on an official tour to Iraq?"...* R.E. She has been to Canada, Mexico and made a trip to Kuwait to visit Alaskan National Guard Troops serving there in July 2007 and to Landstuhl, Germany to visit wounded soldiers. Last I checked, Germany was still in Europe.
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12th September 2008, 03:06 PM	#25
bozothedeathmachine Muse Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Zürich Posts: 626	Originally Posted by Cicero She has been to Canada, Mexico and made a trip to Kuwait to visit Alaskan National Guard Troops serving there in July 2007 and to Landstuhl, Germany to visit wounded soldiers. Last I checked, Germany was still in Europe. If this is true (and I'm far too lazy to fact check right now) then you may win the argument, but purely on a technicality. The spirit of piece is that she's never experienced other cultures. Visiting US installations, whether they be in Europe or the Middle East doesn't really qualify. Going to Vancouver or Cancun for a week's holiday doesn't really qualify either. Basically, has she ever had to say anything in a foreign tongue more than "Una Margarita, por favor"?

12th September 2008, 03:18 PM	#26
andyandy anthropomorphic ape Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: up a tree Posts: 8,213	Originally Posted by Cicero It appears Ole Roger was in the lobby getting his oil drum of popcorn during the scene where Palin's travel itinerary was covered. *..."And how can a politician her age have never have gone to Europe?"...* R.E. *..."What kind of a person (who has the money) arrives at the age of 44 and has only been out of the country once, on an official tour to Iraq?"...* R.E. She has been to Canada, Mexico and made a trip to Kuwait to visit Alaskan National Guard Troops serving there in July 2007 and to Landstuhl, Germany to visit wounded soldiers. Last I checked, Germany was still in Europe. So it only took 40 odd years to leave the Americas? Well, she is positively a globetrotter when did she visit Mexico? Is the story that she had to apply for a passport to go to Kuwait not correct?

12th September 2008, 04:40 PM	#27
Cicero Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7,861	Originally Posted by bozothedeathmachine If this is true (and I'm far too lazy to fact check right now) then you may win the argument, but purely on a technicality. The spirit of piece is that she's never experienced other cultures. Visiting US installations, whether they be in Europe or the Middle East doesn't really qualify. Going to Vancouver or Cancun for a week's holiday doesn't really qualify either. Basically, has she ever had to say anything in a foreign tongue more than "Una Margarita, por favor"? Can you tell me all the exotic foreign locals Jimmy Carter visited before he became President? Other than his cruises in a submarine in the Pacific and Atlantic while in the Navy, where did he experience other cultures? If he ever had shore leave, say in the Philippines, were did he go? I wonder where most sailors go?
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12th September 2008, 07:50 PM	#28
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,378	Originally Posted by bobdroege7 And then we will have sportscasters running for President. and winning. Let us hope history is not repeating. ESPN's Chris Berman for president. He gets my vote.
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12th September 2008, 09:02 PM	#29
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,446	Originally Posted by Cicero If he ever had shore leave, say in the Philippines, were did he go? I wonder where most sailors go? Olongopo City... if they're lucky.
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13th September 2008, 03:25 AM	#30
bozothedeathmachine Muse Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Zürich Posts: 626	Originally Posted by Cicero Can you tell me all the exotic foreign locals Jimmy Carter visited before he became President? Other than his cruises in a submarine in the Pacific and Atlantic while in the Navy, where did he experience other cultures? If he ever had shore leave, say in the Philippines, were did he go? I wonder where most sailors go? And we all know what a fabulous presidency he had. I don't remember his foreign poliy getting rave reviews (I really don't, I was 2), but history doesn't look on his term kindly. But I think you have found the only way to compare Palin to Carter. Nice tu coque, by the way.
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13th September 2008, 04:57 AM	#31
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,904	Originally Posted by Cicero Can you tell me all the exotic foreign locals Jimmy Carter visited before he became President? Other than his cruises in a submarine in the Pacific and Atlantic while in the Navy, where did he experience other cultures? If he ever had shore leave, say in the Philippines, were did he go? I wonder where most sailors go? And you were a fan of Jimmy Carter were you?
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13th September 2008, 06:26 AM	#32
mhaze Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woo*(+-1.10)^20=AGWwoo Posts: 15,400	Originally Posted by bozothedeathmachine If this is true (and I'm far too lazy to fact check right now) then you may win the argument, but purely on a technicality. The spirit of piece is that she's never experienced other cultures. ....Basically, has she ever had to say anything in a foreign tongue more than "Una Margarita, por favor"? Usted pegado en estupido, tal vez? How much do you know about Inuit?
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13th September 2008, 06:47 AM	#33
shemp Timothy, Timothy, where on earth did you go? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: trapped in a cave-in with Joe Posts: 12,970	Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer Dude, I need some industrial strength bleach and a steel wire brush to scrub that image out of my head. You need professional help. I already got some. You should have seen me before.
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13th September 2008, 06:54 AM	#34
shemp Timothy, Timothy, where on earth did you go? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: trapped in a cave-in with Joe Posts: 12,970	Originally Posted by BPSCG I believe this may be the first time I have ever agreed with Alferd_Packer. Which just goes to prove what a disgusting, depraved, debauched piece of semi-humanity Shemp is. Back to your goats, perv! You are too kind sirrah. I accept your forthcoming apology in advance.
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13th September 2008, 08:13 AM	#35
Cicero Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7,861	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus And you were a fan of Jimmy Carter were you? Whom do you think Roger Ebert voted for in 1975, Ford, the guy who pardoned Nixon, or Carter? Since Carter was no globe trotter until the age of 52, his new standard for VP qualifications is mystifying.
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