[Ed] Give me a * break!

Alferd_Packer · 17th September 2008, 07:00 PM

According to McCain, one of Palin's qualifications is her experience serving as the commander of Alaska’s National Guard.

Is he for real?

Quote:

Under state control, the Guard's duties are more routine. On Monday, Guard soldiers transported a woman with an eye injury to Nome for medical treatment. A few days earlier, Guard airmen rescued a man after his plane went down in a spruce bog 57 miles southeast of Galena. And in late July, the Guard was called in to a help a man who'd fallen off the roof of his cabin in the Brooks Range mountains.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...3EAjgD9300R700

Give me a break.

FaisonMars · 17th September 2008, 07:11 PM

Palin's done. She passed the RNC speech, but she failed the Gibson interview.

Now she's out telling a lie about the teleprompter failing during her RNC speech, saying that she just looked at the Ohio delegation and winged it. People who could see the prompter (as well as convention staff) say that this is just not true.

What does it mean when you are so used to lying that you lie even when you don't have to?

Meadmaker · 17th September 2008, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

According to McCain, one of Palin's qualifications is her experience serving as the commander of Alaska’s National Guard.

Is he for real?

It is somewhat outlandish...but Bill Clinton said the same thing in 1992. I can't recall if Bush said it in 2000. He wasn't so keen on anyone talking about his military record, preferring to fall back on "I'll have the best advice in the world", which meant Cheney and Powell. I'll bet Dukakis said it.

Wangler · 17th September 2008, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by FaisonMars

Palin's done. She passed the RNC speech, but she failed the Gibson interview.

Now she's out telling a lie about the teleprompter failing during her RNC speech, saying that she just looked at the Ohio delegation and winged it. People who could see the prompter (as well as convention staff) say that this is just not true.

What does it mean when you are so used to lying that you lie even when you don't have to?

Methinks that the Dems only wish she was done.

I still think that the best barometer of her worth as a Republican vice-president is directly proportional to the outrageous panic being demonstrated by most of the liberal Democratic corps.

If they are getting this freaked, GOP is doing some thing right.

Oh, do you have a reference?

The only one I found doesn't support your claim...

But, another poorly researched accusation would not be a surprise to anyone.

Lonewulf · 17th September 2008, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Wangler

Methinks that the Dems only wish she was done.

I still think that the best barometer of her worth as a Republican vice-president is directly proportional to the outrageous panic being demonstrated by most of the liberal Democratic corps.

If they are getting this freaked, GOP is doing some thing right.

I've noticed that Palin has been lambasted over and over again on the Daily Show.

Then it clinged to me:

It's because she makes it so easy.

QED

Whiplash · 17th September 2008, 10:50 PM

Too bad these sentiments are only ringing true with people who already agree with your side and are already definately going to vote for Obama. Palin is far from "done" and I look forward to feeding you guys your words in the future.

boloboffin · 18th September 2008, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Whiplash

Too bad these sentiments are only ringing true with people who already agree with your side and are already definately going to vote for Obama. Palin is far from "done" and I look forward to feeding you guys your words in the future.

Will we be blindfolded and bound? Will you light candles? Maybe some low recordings of Hitler speeches in the background? You brute.

The Painter · 18th September 2008, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by boloboffin

Will we be blindfolded and bound? Will you light candles? Maybe some low recordings of Hitler speeches in the background? You brute.

And there it is!

boloboffin · 18th September 2008, 03:36 AM

I was just suggesting some mood music that Whiplash might find appropriate for his S&M fantasies about punishing liberals. I've never been part of something like that before, so maybe I'm rushing things. Do you think he should start with David Duke and work his way up?

Meadmaker · 18th September 2008, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by FaisonMars

Palin's done.

applecorped · 18th September 2008, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by boloboffin

I was just suggesting some mood music that Whiplash might find appropriate for his S&M fantasies about punishing liberals. I've never been part of something like that before, so maybe I'm rushing things. Do you think he should start with David Duke and work his way up?

Dems do quite fine in punishing themselves.

FaisonMars · 18th September 2008, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by Wangler

If they are getting this freaked, GOP is doing some thing right.

This is of course, just my opinion.

Even though I am Dem-leaning (and you don't have to be a Dem to see that Palin is a fraud), I was never exactly freaked, but was trying not to underestimate the stupidity of the electorate, mistakes I made both in 2000 and 2004, when I believed that there was no way Bush could get elected and then re-elected. Palin is much worse than Bush.

I'm feeling less worried... her favorability rating has gone down what, 10 points in three days? (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/...s-eroding.html) Gibson + Tina Fey + Palin herself seem to be exposing how unqualified she is for VP.

Quote:

Oh, do you have a reference?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...and-the-t.html

mhaze · 18th September 2008, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by FaisonMars

...I was never exactly freaked, but was trying not to underestimate the stupidity of the electorate, mistakes I made both in 2000 and 2004...

There would be at least two possibilities-

You underestimated the stupidity of the electorate
You stupidly misunderestimated the stupidity of the electorate

boloboffin · 18th September 2008, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Dems do quite fine in punishing themselves.

I know. So why is Whiplash so worked up about doing it for us?

applecorped · 18th September 2008, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by boloboffin

I know. So why is Whiplash so worked up about doing it for us?

Well, his name is Whiplash!

ZenFountain · 18th September 2008, 07:13 AM

Wasn't it obvious?

Meadmaker · 18th September 2008, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by FaisonMars

I'm feeling less worried... her favorability rating has gone down what, 10 points in three days? (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/...s-eroding.html) Gibson + Tina Fey + Palin herself seem to be exposing how unqualified she is for VP.

Certainly her brief moment as media star will fade and she will come down to Earth. Some people who loved her initially will cool as time exposes her as just another politician. However, don't count her out, and don't think that, in the absence of significant gaffes, she will end up dragging down McCain. My guess is that focus will shift back to the top of the ticket, but she will still be a marginal plus for him.

Sarah Palin the media phenomenon may be "done", but you won't see McCain regretting his choice barring an absolute disaster in the debates, or some more significant dirt than has been dug so far.

PitPat · 18th September 2008, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by boloboffin

I was just suggesting some mood music that Whiplash might find appropriate for his S&M fantasies about punishing liberals.

Safeword: Bush Doctrine

Wangler · 18th September 2008, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by FaisonMars

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...and-the-t.html

Ah, a blog. Should've known.

Palin said the teleprompter got goofed up, she had to look at her notes, and speak to the Ohio delegation.

What lie? Why are we even discussing this?

BenBurch · 18th September 2008, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Whiplash

Too bad these sentiments are only ringing true with people who already agree with your side and are already definately going to vote for Obama. Palin is far from "done" and I look forward to feeding you guys your words in the future.

fuelair · 18th September 2008, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by mhaze

There would be at least two possibilities-

You underestimated the stupidity of the electorate
You stupidly misunderestimated the stupidity of the electorate

Never,ever underestimate the stupidity of the voters - or the rabid willingness of certain politicians to use that stupidity against them (thus people voting against all their real interests because they have been convinced evil city dwellers will make them all become gay and marry their cows).

FaisonMars · 18th September 2008, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Wangler

Ah, a blog. Should've known.

Right, a senior national reporter for ABC news who was actually there at the RNC has no credibility.

Wangler · 18th September 2008, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by FaisonMars

Right, a senior national reporter for ABC news who was actually there at the RNC has no credibility.

Alright, I am sorry, my source was an opinion page, so really same difference.

However, if your guy, and you, were saying that Palin was lying about this issue, the evidence is really pretty thin, IMHO.

boloboffin · 18th September 2008, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Wangler

Alright, I am sorry, my source was an opinion page, so really same difference.

However, if your guy, and you, were saying that Palin was lying about this issue, the evidence is really pretty thin, IMHO.

Wangler · 18th September 2008, 02:05 PM

Once the idealogical blinders come up, what can you do?

leftysergeant · 18th September 2008, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Wangler

If they are getting this freaked, GOP is doing some thing right.

Ed Schultz was talking this morning about a federal prosecutor now in Alaska trying to do damage control, trying to block media access to people who may be key to the investigations, supposedly on his own time as a volunteer.

Who is freaked?

Wangler · 18th September 2008, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Who is freaked?

I would say the ones that are freaked exhibit the following behaviours:

Name-calling (Caribou Barbie, pig, Old Man, Grampa).
Derisive remarks and colorful descriptions (snivelling, etc).
Posting incorrect information in failed attacks (bogus book-ban lists, fantastic affair allegations).

I am sure there are other behaviours.

Any one of these might not be a cause for alarm, but they are all prevalent in the anti-McCain crowd, at least here on JREF.

Now, I have been watching JREF posts, in general, since I first became a forum member. I have always been impressed by the level of intelligence I have seen demonstrated by the various participants here.

So, how to reconcile the intelligent poster population here at JREF, with the knee-jerk, weird reactionary posts we've been seeing?

All I can think of is that these people are, for lack of a better word, freaked.

Sword_Of_Truth · 18th September 2008, 04:50 PM

For those who just tuned in, here is the thread thus far:

Unnamed Left Leaner:

Unnamed Right Winger:

Unnamed Left Leaner:

Unnamed Right Winger:

Left Leaner:

Right Winger:

Left Leaner:

Right Winger:

Left Leaner:

This brings us up to now where the situation appears to be stable. However, various observers expect the conflict to deteriorate with multiple laughing dogs per post being launched.

Stay tuned...

17th September 2008, 07:00 PM	#1
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,222	*Give me a break!** According to McCain, one of Palin's qualifications is her experience serving as the commander of Alaska’s National Guard. Is he for real? Quote: Under state control, the Guard's duties are more routine. On Monday, Guard soldiers transported a woman with an eye injury to Nome for medical treatment. A few days earlier, Guard airmen rescued a man after his plane went down in a spruce bog 57 miles southeast of Galena. And in late July, the Guard was called in to a help a man who'd fallen off the roof of his cabin in the Brooks Range mountains. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...3EAjgD9300R700 Give me a break.
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17th September 2008, 07:11 PM	#2
FaisonMars Muse Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 661	Palin's done. She passed the RNC speech, but she failed the Gibson interview. Now she's out telling a lie about the teleprompter failing during her RNC speech, saying that she just looked at the Ohio delegation and winged it. People who could see the prompter (as well as convention staff) say that this is just not true. What does it mean when you are so used to lying that you lie even when you don't have to?
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17th September 2008, 07:28 PM	#3
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Detroit suburbs Posts: 11,453	Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer According to McCain, one of Palin's qualifications is her experience serving as the commander of Alaska’s National Guard. Is he for real? It is somewhat outlandish...but Bill Clinton said the same thing in 1992. I can't recall if Bush said it in 2000. He wasn't so keen on anyone talking about his military record, preferring to fall back on "I'll have the best advice in the world", which meant Cheney and Powell. I'll bet Dukakis said it.
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17th September 2008, 10:46 PM	#5
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by Wangler Methinks that the Dems only wish she was done. I still think that the best barometer of her worth as a Republican vice-president is directly proportional to the outrageous panic being demonstrated by most of the liberal Democratic corps. If they are getting this freaked, GOP is doing some thing right. I've noticed that Palin has been lambasted over and over again on the Daily Show. Then it clinged to me: It's because she makes it so easy. QED
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17th September 2008, 10:50 PM	#6
Whiplash Acting like a maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shipwrecked and Comatose Posts: 5,389	Too bad these sentiments are only ringing true with people who already agree with your side and are already definately going to vote for Obama. Palin is far from "done" and I look forward to feeding you guys your words in the future.
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17th September 2008, 10:17 PM	#4
Wangler Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: OH State Posts: 2,230	Originally Posted by FaisonMars Palin's done. She passed the RNC speech, but she failed the Gibson interview. Now she's out telling a lie about the teleprompter failing during her RNC speech, saying that she just looked at the Ohio delegation and winged it. People who could see the prompter (as well as convention staff) say that this is just not true. What does it mean when you are so used to lying that you lie even when you don't have to? Methinks that the Dems only wish she was done. I still think that the best barometer of her worth as a Republican vice-president is directly proportional to the outrageous panic being demonstrated by most of the liberal Democratic corps. If they are getting this freaked, GOP is doing some thing right. Oh, do you have a reference? The only one I found doesn't support your claim... But, another poorly researched accusation would not be a surprise to anyone.

18th September 2008, 02:24 AM	#7
boloboffin Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5,001	Originally Posted by Whiplash Too bad these sentiments are only ringing true with people who already agree with your side and are already definately going to vote for Obama. Palin is far from "done" and I look forward to feeding you guys your words in the future. Will we be blindfolded and bound? Will you light candles? Maybe some low recordings of Hitler speeches in the background? You brute.

18th September 2008, 02:49 AM	#8
The Painter Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New York Posts: 2,656	Originally Posted by boloboffin Will we be blindfolded and bound? Will you light candles? Maybe some low recordings of *Hitler* speeches in the background? You brute. And there it is!

18th September 2008, 03:36 AM	#9
boloboffin Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5,001	I was just suggesting some mood music that Whiplash might find appropriate for his S&M fantasies about punishing liberals. I've never been part of something like that before, so maybe I'm rushing things. Do you think he should start with David Duke and work his way up?

18th September 2008, 03:46 AM	#10
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Detroit suburbs Posts: 11,453	Originally Posted by FaisonMars Palin's done.
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18th September 2008, 05:04 AM	#11
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18th September 2008, 06:31 AM	#12
FaisonMars Muse Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 661	Originally Posted by Wangler If they are getting this freaked, GOP is doing some thing right. This is of course, just my opinion. Even though I am Dem-leaning (and you don't have to be a Dem to see that Palin is a fraud), I was never exactly freaked, but was trying not to underestimate the stupidity of the electorate, mistakes I made both in 2000 and 2004, when I believed that there was no way Bush could get elected and then re-elected. Palin is much worse than Bush. I'm feeling less worried... her favorability rating has gone down what, 10 points in three days? (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/...s-eroding.html) Gibson + Tina Fey + Palin herself seem to be exposing how unqualified she is for VP. Quote: Oh, do you have a reference? http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...and-the-t.html
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18th September 2008, 06:55 AM	#13
mhaze Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woo*(+-1.10)^20=AGWwoo Posts: 15,395	Originally Posted by FaisonMars ...I was never exactly freaked, but was trying not to underestimate the stupidity of the electorate, mistakes I made both in 2000 and 2004... There would be at least two possibilities- You underestimated the stupidity of the electorate You stupidly misunderestimated the stupidity of the electorate
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18th September 2008, 07:05 AM	#14
boloboffin Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5,001	Originally Posted by applecorped Dems do quite fine in punishing themselves. I know. So why is Whiplash so worked up about doing it for us?

18th September 2008, 07:08 AM	#15
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18th September 2008, 09:15 AM	#17
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Detroit suburbs Posts: 11,453	Originally Posted by FaisonMars I'm feeling less worried... her favorability rating has gone down what, 10 points in three days? (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/...s-eroding.html) Gibson + Tina Fey + Palin herself seem to be exposing how unqualified she is for VP. Certainly her brief moment as media star will fade and she will come down to Earth. Some people who loved her initially will cool as time exposes her as just another politician. However, don't count her out, and don't think that, in the absence of significant gaffes, she will end up dragging down McCain. My guess is that focus will shift back to the top of the ticket, but she will still be a marginal plus for him. Sarah Palin the media phenomenon may be "done", but you won't see McCain regretting his choice barring an absolute disaster in the debates, or some more significant dirt than has been dug so far.
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18th September 2008, 10:09 AM	#18
PitPat Muse Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 580	Originally Posted by boloboffin I was just suggesting some mood music that Whiplash might find appropriate for his S&M fantasies about punishing liberals. Safeword: Bush Doctrine

18th September 2008, 11:39 AM	#19
Wangler Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: OH State Posts: 2,230	Originally Posted by FaisonMars http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...and-the-t.html Ah, a blog. Should've known. Palin said the teleprompter got goofed up, she had to look at her notes, and speak to the Ohio delegation. What lie? Why are we even discussing this?

18th September 2008, 11:41 AM	#20
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18th September 2008, 12:53 PM	#22
FaisonMars Muse Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 661	Originally Posted by Wangler Ah, a blog. Should've known. Right, a senior national reporter for ABC news who was actually there at the RNC has no credibility.
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18th September 2008, 01:09 PM	#23
Wangler Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: OH State Posts: 2,230	Originally Posted by FaisonMars Right, a senior national reporter for ABC news who was actually there at the RNC has no credibility. Alright, I am sorry, my source was an opinion page, so really same difference. However, if your guy, and you, were saying that Palin was lying about this issue, the evidence is really pretty thin, IMHO.

18th September 2008, 01:48 PM	#24
boloboffin Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5,001	Originally Posted by Wangler Alright, I am sorry, my source was an opinion page, so really same difference. However, if your guy, and you, were saying that Palin was lying about this issue, the evidence is really pretty thin, IMHO.

18th September 2008, 02:05 PM	#25
Wangler Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: OH State Posts: 2,230	Once the idealogical blinders come up, what can you do?

18th September 2008, 02:51 PM	#26
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by Wangler If they are getting this freaked, GOP is doing some thing right. Ed Schultz was talking this morning about a federal prosecutor now in Alaska trying to do damage control, trying to block media access to people who may be key to the investigations, supposedly on his own time as a volunteer. Who is freaked?

18th September 2008, 04:36 PM	#27
Wangler Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: OH State Posts: 2,230	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Who is freaked? I would say the ones that are freaked exhibit the following behaviours: Name-calling (Caribou Barbie, pig, Old Man, Grampa). Derisive remarks and colorful descriptions (snivelling, etc). Posting incorrect information in failed attacks (bogus book-ban lists, fantastic affair allegations). I am sure there are other behaviours. Any one of these might not be a cause for alarm, but they are *all* prevalent in the anti-McCain crowd, at least here on JREF. Now, I have been watching JREF posts, in general, since I first became a forum member. I have always been impressed by the level of intelligence I have seen demonstrated by the various participants here. So, how to reconcile the intelligent poster population here at JREF, with the knee-jerk, weird reactionary posts we've been seeing? All I can think of is that these people are, for lack of a better word, freaked.

18th September 2008, 04:50 PM	#28
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	For those who just tuned in, here is the thread thus far: Unnamed Left Leaner: Unnamed Right Winger: Unnamed Left Leaner: Unnamed Right Winger: Left Leaner: Right Winger: Left Leaner: Right Winger: Left Leaner: This brings us up to now where the situation appears to be stable. However, various observers expect the conflict to deteriorate with multiple laughing dogs per post being launched. Stay tuned...