How Nature (ex. Sun), the Bible's O.T., and History (ex. 9/11) prove Christianity

[gjpogiatzis]

I finally have my website running, called PRIMARYPROOFSOFCHRISTIANITY.COM, which is the result of many years of careful study of the Bible, other classic texts which I read at St. John's College in Maryland, nature, and history. I call these "primary" proofs of Christianity because they are perhaps the most compelling proofs of Christianity ever written. Parts One, Two, and Three of this book for the most part indicate resemblances between the members of the Christian Holy Trinity- God the Father, Jesus God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit- and:
-(PART ONE) natural objects such as the Sun, light, the wind, water, trios of the human body, dogs, the three largest subatomic particles, and the three conic sections (evidence for creationism, rather than evolution)
-(PART TWO) tons of historical persons/things in every book of the Old Testament such as Noah, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, the Passover Lamb, King David, and King Solomon
-(PART THREE) historical persons/things not mentioned explicitly in the Bible, such as the three principal Hindu gods, Zeus, Achilles, Odysseus/Ulysses, Aeneas, the three Fates, Hercules, Buddha, Confucius & Socrates, the Parthenon of Athens, Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, tower #2 of Notre Dame of Paris whose founder died on 9/11/1196, Joan of Arc, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Abraham Lincoln & John F. Kennedy, the Colossus of Rhodes & the Statue of Liberty, and the second of the Twin Towers of the WTC which collapsed on 9/11/2001. Also, this part shows that Ancient Athens and Ancient Rome were made by God to symbolize the New Jerusalem, the capital of Jesus' empire which will rule the Earth at the end of time. In this part, I show also that at least some of the Buddhist and Hindu Scriptures, the works of Homer (The Iliad & The Odyssey), Aeschylus (The Oresteia, including Agamemnon)-Sophocles (Oedipus the King, Antigone)-Euripides (The Bacchae),
Plato (The Republic, The Symposium, The Apology, etc.), Aristotle, and Virgil (The Aeneid) are all authored by God working through these human authors perhaps without their knowing so (just as the Bible is authored by God working through human authors), for the sake of demonstrating the Bible's truthfulness. This part even gives evidence that God caused the Holocaust for 3 1/2 years between 1941 and 1945 to foreshadow the 3 1/2 year "Great Tribulation" (often called "World War III") which all those who reject Jesus as their Lord and Savior will have to experience.

The resemblances between the persons of the Trinity and these persons/things are so uncommon (some examples: being considered the son of a god and the son of a human [most of the heroes of Homer's Iliad and Odyssey, including Achilles], being born of a virgin [Buddha], coming back from the world of the dead alive [Hercules, Odysseus, Aeneas], being the wisest of all men [Confucius, Socrates], conquering the world [Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar]) and so exceedingly numerous that it is utterly absurd to say that all these resemblances are purely coincidental. It is equally absurd to say that the beliefs of Christianity are drawn from these persons/things (as is claimed, for instance, on jesusisbuddha.com and in the 512-page book "Jesus was Caesar"), because it is not simply Buddha or Caesar who resembles Jesus so strongly, but rather tons of natural objects such as the Sun and persons/things throughout history, including persons who lived after Jesus' Crucifixion such as Abraham Lincoln.

Please consider everything I have to say on this website before judging any particular part of it. God bless you.

[wollery]

Originally Posted by gjpogiatzis

I finally have my website running, called PRIMARYPROOFSOFCHRISTIANITY.COM, which is the result of many years of careful study of the Bible, other classic texts which I read at St. John's College in Maryland, nature, and history.

Well, I can't see the site, assuming you typed it correctly, the Great Firewall of China doesn't seem to like the name. But I do have some comments on what you wrote in this post.

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I call these "primary" proofs of Christianity because they are perhaps the most compelling proofs of Christianity ever written. Parts One, Two, and Three of this book for the most part indicate resemblances between the members of the Christian Holy Trinity- God the Father, Jesus God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit-

Which you would expect were they completely made up. A resemblance between characters in a book cannot be offered as proof of their existence outside the book.

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-(PART ONE) natural objects such as the Sun, light, the wind, water, trios of the human body, dogs, the three largest subatomic particles, and the three conic sections (evidence for creationism, rather than evolution)

Apart from the human body and dogs none of the things you list have anything to do with evolution. And all those things are perfectly explainable by science without the need to invoke god. In fact, the Sun, along with other astronomical bodies, and subatomic particles, are very strong evidence for the Big Bang model of the Universe.

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-(PART TWO) tons of historical persons/things in every book of the Old Testament such as Noah, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, the Passover Lamb, King David, and King Solomon

Well, other than the fact that 5 of the 7 that you've listed have no contemporary historical verification, so what? The fact that people that are mentioned in the bible existed in reality does not mean that what was said about them in the bible is true. If everything ever written or said about real people were true, then there'd be no need for libel or slander laws.

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-(PART THREE) historical persons/things not mentioned explicitly in the Bible, such as the three principal Hindu gods, Zeus, Achilles, Odysseus/Ulysses, Aeneas, the three Fates, Hercules, Buddha, Confucius & Socrates, the Parthenon of Athens, Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, tower #2 of Notre Dame of Paris whose founder died on 9/11/1196, Joan of Arc, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Abraham Lincoln & John F. Kennedy, the Colossus of Rhodes & the Statue of Liberty, and the second of the Twin Towers of the WTC which collapsed on 9/11/2001. Also, this part shows that Ancient Athens and Ancient Rome were made by God to symbolize the New Jerusalem, the capital of Jesus' empire which will rule the Earth at the end of time. In this part, I show also that at least some of the Buddhist and Hindu Scriptures, the works of Homer (The Iliad & The Odyssey), Aeschylus (The Oresteia, including Agamemnon)-Sophocles (Oedipus the King, Antigone)-Euripides (The Bacchae), Plato (The Republic, The Symposium, The Apology, etc.), Aristotle, and Virgil (The Aeneid) are all authored by God working through these human authors perhaps without their knowing so (just as the Bible is authored by God working through human authors), for the sake of demonstrating the Bible's truthfulness. This part even gives evidence that God caused the Holocaust for 3 1/2 years between 1941 and 1945 to foreshadow the 3 1/2 year "Great Tribulation" (often called "World War III") which all those who reject Jesus as their Lord and Savior will have to experience.

Okay, I'm detecting a hint of numerology, mixed in with a huge dollop of wishful thinking and shoehorning.

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The resemblances between the persons of the Trinity and these persons/things are so uncommon (some examples: being considered the son of a god and the son of a human [most of the heroes of Homer's Iliad and Odyssey, including Achilles], being born of a virgin [Buddha], coming back from the world of the dead alive [Hercules, Odysseus, Aeneas], being the wisest of all men [Confucius, Socrates], conquering the world [Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar]) and so exceedingly numerous that it is utterly absurd to say that all these resemblances are purely coincidental.

Yeah, where do you think the bible's authors got their ideas?

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It is equally absurd to say that the beliefs of Christianity are drawn from these persons/things (as is claimed, for instance, on jesusisbuddha.com and in the 512-page book "Jesus was Caesar"), because it is not simply Buddha or Caesar who resembles Jesus so strongly, but rather tons of natural objects such as the Sun and persons/things throughout history, including persons who lived after Jesus' Crucifixion such as Abraham Lincoln.

Yeah, because there's no way the authors could have done that intentionally!

And Abraham Lincoln? WTF?

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Please consider everything I have to say on this website before judging any particular part of it. God bless you.

If I could read it I would, but if you clip notes above are anything to go by, then I doubt it proves anything much, beyond how it's possible for someone to read far too much into a book and fail to see the wood for the trees.

[Madalch]

Judging solely from the first page ("How nature proves Christianity"), I can say I'm awfully glad that there was a thread here recently about dealing with the mentally ill.

[triadboy]

That is an exhaustive proof of ....weirdness.

[Fnord]

Without an affirmation of goats or Planet X being involved in the process, the OP can't possibly be valid.

[bokonon]

Originally Posted by wollery

If I could read it I would, but if you clip notes above are anything to go by, then I doubt it proves anything much, beyond how it's possible for someone to read far too much into a book and fail to see the wood for the trees.

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God often groups sources of light into units of THREE. For instance, the traffic light with the three signals of different colors; ceiling lights. On the light switch, the switch represents the Holy Spirit while the nail directly above and the nail directly below it which are of equal size represent the Father and the Son who is the perfect image of the Father. This set-up highly resembles other symbols of the Holy Trinity: the fire hydrant which spouts water and the set-up of water handle – faucet – water handle found in most sinks and bathtubs. The electrical outlet, which provides the electricity needed for lamps, has two equal holes and one smaller hole in the center. This set-up highly resembles other symbols of the Holy Trinity which involve circles such as eye-nose-eye and nipple - belly button - nipple.

I'm convinced.

[The Kilted Yaksman]

A google search for said web site only leads back to this thread. Probably a just a drive-by nutjob.

[Limbo]

gjpogiatzisz, this may be a little OT but in your assessment was King Solomon a literal, historical figure? If so, is the seal of Solomon real as well? Did a historical Solomon use it to control demons?

[Madalch]

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This set-up highly resembles other symbols of the Holy Trinity which involve circles such as eye-nose-eye and nipple - belly button - nipple.

I can think of another body part that comes in a similar set of three, but I never thought it could be a symbol of the trinity to anyone but DavidJayJordan.

[Foster Zygote]

Wheeeeeeeee!!!

[SezMe]

Linky: http://www.primaryproofsofchristianity.com/

[Kopji]

Have you considered that you have this all backwards?

That humans, looking at nature without much else to do all day, began to formulate deities that had human and natural characteristics?

[Hokulele]

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And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."

I am very, very sorry. I am a bad person.

[Eskarina]

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24) IT IS AN ACT OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE THAT THE WORDS “SUN” AND “SON” SOUND IDENTICAL, AT LEAST IN GERMAN AND IN ENGLISH, THE MOST COMMON LANGUAGE IN THE WORLD TODAY! In German, the word for the Sun is “Sonne,” which makes the connection even clearer!

Sorry to shatter your delusions, but the German "Sohn" (son) and "Sonne" (sun) are not homophones.

Connection failed!

[Fiona]

Umm.....how do you say "sun" and "son" in mandarin chinese?

[wollery]

Originally Posted by Fiona

Umm.....how do you say "sun" and "son" in mandarin chinese?

Sun is taiyang, and son is erzi.

Very similar, I think you'll agree!

[Fiona]

Well not really. But I suppose hardly anybody speaks mandarin chinese ? That must be it!

[leon_heller]

I just had a look at his About Me page. He's a nutter!

Leon

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

Originally Posted by leon_heller

I just had a look at his About Me page. He's a nutter!

Leon

I wonder if he got his Masters in Divinity from an accredited internet.

[lionking]

I doubt we will see him again. I just don't understand what motivates people to post stuff like this and demand members read the whole lot of it before they are qualified to comment.

[lionking]

Originally Posted by leon_heller

I just had a look at his About Me page. He's a nutter!

Leon

I just did.

[Fiona]

I am impressed that he was born of a virgin, though.

[theMark]

Originally Posted by Fiona

I am impressed that he was born of a virgin, though.

That's nothing, I was born of a bull. Uh, taurus. What? Not talking about astrological signs?

Okay, shutting up now...

[chillzero]

Guys, please remember your membership agreement. Discuss the topic without getting personal. Keep it civil please. Please keep your comments to commenting on the website on which feedback was requested, and not the poster. Any further personalisation of this thread will draw further mod actions, potentially including moderated status, infractions and suspensions.

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[bokonon]

Originally Posted by lionking

I doubt we will see him again. I just don't understand what motivates people to post stuff like this and demand members read the whole lot of it before they are qualified to comment.

Maybe it's like those "can you follow instructions" tests, and buried somewhere in all that word soup is the bit that elbows you in the ribs and says "I'm just having a laugh." If so, I have to confess I didn't have the patience to find it.

ETA: Having just read the "About me" page myself, I think the poster is sincere. I wish there was some way to help him find the real meaning in his life which he is so obviously so desperately seeking.

As for the web site, the spelling is exemplary, but in my opinion there are too many exclamation points.

[TinfoilCat]

Isn't the Tribulation period supposed to last 7 years?
What about the first 3.5 years?

[Terry]

Why is there only one sun in the sky? well, actually, there are <Sagan>billions</Sagan> of suns in the sky. A couple of thousand of them are easily visible to the naked eye.

[theMark]

Okay, one more time, more serious. Quotes stem from the website mentioned above ( http://www.primaryproofsofchristianity.com/ )

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"trios of the human body"

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The claim of the "trios of the human body" as being any kind of proof is at least far-fetched, seeing how the human body shows mirror symmetry or no symmetry at all for most of its structure. I fail to find any organ or anatomic feature that exists in a trio. Simply putting the nipples into relation to the navel just to find anything at all is (pardon the pun) navel-gazing at its best. Picking any three things that cross the author's mind is no kind of proof for anything.

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"The Sun appears to the naked eye never to change (although it may undergo slight changes over long periods of time)"

First, it wanders across the sky. At least its perceived position changes BIG TIME. Second, where I live, the sun starts as a big orange-red ball at the horizon, turns into a bright white speck by noon, and settles as orange-red ball. That's "change" in my book.

And it goes on and on like that. I'll admit to giving up after the first few paragraphs. Broad claims, absolutely no care for counter-evidence, shoehorning, cherry-picking.

Drivel. Sorry, can't put it any nicer.

[I Ratant]

"nipple - belly button - nipple. "
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Oh no... Nirvana is nipple, nipple, pussy.
Worth hours of investigation, orally and fingerly.

[gjpogiatzis]

Originally Posted by Kopji

Have you considered that you have this all backwards?

That humans, looking at nature without much else to do all day, began to formulate deities that had human and natural characteristics?

No I do not have it backwards, friend. People have argued that Jesus' life was based on the Sun, or based on the life of ancient gods like Dionysus or Mithra, but I show in this website that there are SO MANY persons/things (on the website, I must mention about 100 of them!) in nature, the Old Testament, and all history that resemble the persons of the Holy Trinity including Jesus that such arguments are absurd.

[gjpogiatzis]

Originally Posted by theMark

Okay, one more time, more serious. Quotes stem from the website mentioned above.


1)
The claim of the "trios of the human body" as being any kind of proof is at least far-fetched, seeing how the human body shows mirror symmetry or no symmetry at all for most of its structure. I fail to find any organ or anatomic feature that exists in a trio. Simply putting the nipples into relation to the navel just to find anything at all is (pardon the pun) navel-gazing at its best. Picking any three things that cross the author's mind is no kind of proof for anything.

2)

First, it wanders across the sky. At least its perceived position changes BIG TIME. Second, where I live, the sun starts as a big orange-red ball at the horizon, turns into a bright white speck by noon, and settles as orange-red ball. That's "change" in my book.

And it goes on and on like that. I'll admit to giving up after the first few paragraphs. Broad claims, absolutely no care for counter-evidence, shoehorning, cherry-picking.

Drivel. Sorry, can't put it any nicer.

I listed about TWENTY trios of the human body which show how our body is made in the image of the Holy Trinity, and you tell me that my claim is far-fetched?! Would you need a hundred, or a thousand, or a million to satisfy you, friend? Do you realize that I have listed tons of trios symbolizing the Trinity in Part One (ex. hydrogen-hydrogen-oxygen, parabola-hyperbola-ellipse) and in Part Three (ex. Socrates-Plato-Aristotle, Aeschylus-Sophocles-Euripides, The First Triumvirate, The Second Triumvirate, The Three Fates, The Three Graces, The Three Dreams, The Three Muses [originally], the Three principal Hindu gods)? Apparently not, since you unjustly assumed I was not worth listening to after a few paragraphs. Have you considered that in three of those trios (eye-eye-nose, ear-ear-mouth, and the three organs of heart-brain-lungs which like the persons of God are ever-active), the third member is responsible for breathing, as the Holy Spirit (the third person of the Trinity) is associated with breath? In fact, the word for "spirit" in Hebrew (ruah) and Greek (pneuma) can mean "breath" as well. How can you claim that I randomly picked the navel when the nipples and the navel(belly button) are the three most prominent circles on the chest, and when they are arranged just like the other symbol of the Trinity eye-eye-nose, brother? Your body is made in the image of God.

Does the sun appear substantially different than it did at any other time in history, to the naked eye? Do you realize that the "orange-red ball" you see at sunset is an image of the Son of God's bloody death, before He rose again from the dead?

[bokonon]

Originally Posted by gjpogiatzis

I listed about TWENTY trios of the human body which show how our body is made in the image of the Holy Trinity, and you tell me that my claim is far-fetched?!

Your claim is nothing but shoehorning and confirmation bias. If you wanted to make a case for the cosmic relevance of two, you wouldn't add a nose to two eyes, or a navel to two nipples. If you wanted to make a case for the cosmic relevance of four, you'd pick the four-chambered heart, or the two eyes plus two ears through which we receive most of our information about the world. If it was five, you'd be picking starfish and sand dollars, two arms plus two legs plus one head, etc. Finding this sort of confirmation is a trivial task if that's all you're seeking, but it really adds up to nothing.

[Hokulele]

Originally Posted by bokonon

Your claim is nothing but shoehorning and confirmation bias. If you wanted to make a case for the cosmic relevance of two, you wouldn't add a nose to two eyes, or a navel to two nipples. If you wanted to make a case for the cosmic relevance of four, you'd pick the four-chambered heart, or the two eyes plus two ears through which we receive most of our information about the world. If it was five, you'd be picking starfish and sand dollars, two arms plus two legs plus one head, etc. Finding this sort of confirmation is a trivial task if that's all you're seeking, but it really adds up to nothing.

Do 17 next, please.

[devnull]

fingers and toes....... after an industrial accident.

[H'ethetheth]

Originally Posted by gjpogiatzis

...and the three organs of heart-brain-lungs which like the persons of God are ever-active...

Disregarding everything else of course, which is rude, I admit, I would like to add a few here:
skin
liver
spleen
ovaries and testes
pancreas
salivary glands
kidneys
skeleton
And that's off the top of my head

[Ladewig]

Originally Posted by gjpogiatzis

parabola-hyperbola-ellipse

Don't you mean parabola-hyperbola-ellipse-circle? Four is the magical, mystical number. Eye-eye-nostril-nostril.

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Does the sun appear substantially different than it did at any other time in history, to the naked eye? Do you realize that the "orange-red ball" you see at sunset is an image of the Son of God's bloody death, before He rose again from the dead?

Jesus died in a bright orange sphere? Wherever did you get that idea?

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If your little game brings you pleasure then have at and enjoy yourself. If you find that your devotion to finding patterns where there are none causes you problems at work or home, then seek a good counselor.

[bokonon]

Originally Posted by Hokulele

Do 17 next, please.

How many fingers am I holding up?

ETA: "These bases are classified into two types; adenine and guanine are fused five- and six-membered heterocyclic compounds called purines, while cytosine and thymine are six-membered rings called pyrimidines."

Put together a 5-member ring fused with a 6-membered ring (purine) with a 6-membered ring (pyrimidine) and you have a base pair. Is it mere coincidence that each base pair thus has 17 members? Our very DNA confirms the divinity of the 17-tendriled FSM, completely refuting those who have argued for the hexadecimal heresy.

[madurobob]

Originally Posted by gjpogiatzis

No I do not have it backwards, friend. People have argued that Jesus' life was based on the Sun, or based on the life of ancient gods like Dionysus or Mithra, but I show in this website that there are SO MANY persons/things (on the website, I must mention about 100 of them!) in nature, the Old Testament, and all history that resemble the persons of the Holy Trinity including Jesus that such arguments are absurd.

People have argued many things. I argue:

Jesus:
es u = Se,
s is ai, i = nine, “ie”. (n’s cancel).
se+66+66 … = “ok”.
Therefore:
Jesus = “Jokes”.

So there (seriously, do you know George?).

The point people are trying to get you to see is that when you look only for things with a correlation to "three" that's what you'll find. But, when you widen your view you'll find that 3 is no more common than 1,2,4, etc... I think 2 would be more common (and holy!) given the bilateral symmetry we see throughout the animal kingdom.

[Loss Leader]

Imagine having so little self-esteem or certainty about one's faith, that one's brain must invent affirmation in the screws that hold in light switches.

[Delvo]

17 basic body segments:
1-2. Feet
3-4. Shins
5-6. Thighs
7. Pelvis
8. Abdomen
9. Chest
10. Neck
11. Head
12-13. Upper arms
14-15. Lower arms
16-17. Hands

17 thoracic & lumbar vertebrae, the ones connecting the body's two main junctions (shoulders & hips) to each other

17 skull bones: 1 each of frontal, occipital, and mandible, + 2 each of maxilla, lacrimal, nasal, ethmoid, sphenoid, parietal, and temporal

We could also list the 17 biggest arteries and the 17 biggest veins, which would use up most of the ones that are big enough to have relatively well-known names. Or the 17 most important parts of the brain or the lymph system. Or the 17 most important glands.

The ratio of an average adult's height to his/her hand width is 17. (For example, 5'8" and 4".)

17 moving joints, or axes of movement, in each hand: 1 for each of the three joints in each of the four non-thumb fingers (12), 2 for the joints in the thumb, 1 for the one behind the base of the thumb which swings the whole thumb around toward or away from the palm, and 2 for the wrist because it can rotate either forward and back or side to side