Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum - America's "Bigfoot Professor"

[Correa Neto]

Originally Posted by RayG

And exactly who are these skeptics that do absolutely no investigation whatsoever?

Painting with a rather wide brush isn't he?

RayG

Always a handy link...
http://www.insolitology.com/tests/credo.htm

Its a basic woo tactic- claim the other side does no research. If they did, they would agree. They don't agree because they do not research. It can't be a case of doing reasearch and not agreeing, for the woo's position is rock-solid, a bastion of faith.

Aniway, as time passes, he's sounding more and more like an stereotype of his target audience. Expect to see him with mullets, moustache, Rayban glasses and a cammo suit.

[GT/CS]

Don't forget the beer gut.

[LTC8K6]

Often, showing that something is a hoax involves nothing more than a few mouse clicks...

[William Parcher]

Cryptomundo: "Meldrum Hypothesizes 500-750 Sasquatch Living Today"

No, this is misleading. Meldrum hypothesizes 2000-3000 Bigfoot in all of North America. He hypothesizes that 500-750 (or 800) live in the Rocky Mountains and westward. The remainder live eastward of the Rockies. He says that if you include the eastern (of the Rockies) population in the grand total you double or triple the number.

This is interesting because it means that Meldrum thinks that the eastern population is either equal to the western, or is even greater.

Video with Meldrum stating this at 2:50.

My earlier post referencing this.

[Drewbot]

I think there are still footers who believe foot lives only in the pnw. he is a rebel.

[William Parcher]

I would think that the rebel is one who restricts Bigfoot to the PNW. This is because of the enormous number of reported encounters outside of the PNW.

[kitakaze]

Originally Posted by William Parcher

Video with Meldrum stating this at 2:50.

Scientologists, Scientologists, Scientologists. Like watching fricking Scientologists. And Moneymaker is the Glenn Beck of Bigfootery. Erickson guy says, "Show me the bones of a cougar, wolf, or bear that has died of natural causes."

Literally not even five minutes with Google and cougar...

http://www.eatonvillenews.net/images...%20(OP)%20.jpg

Wolf...

http://www.cougarcorridor.com/wordpr.../loup-tue2.jpg

Bear...

http://www.treknature.com/gallery/No...photo89103.htm

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Originally Posted by William Parcher

Peek inside his drawers. You gotta love Freeman's "Fingerfoot" on the far right.


http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...r/3b8e83b2.png

I have to admit, thats a spectacular looking footcast, haha.

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Originally Posted by kitakaze

Meldrum hands "Willy Parcher" and myself our purses just after the two minute mark...

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I AGREE

Its amazing that all of the people in that room are officially classed as "grown-ups..." Part of me hopes they do find Bigfoot, maybe then they'll sprout those missing pubic hairs and get better hobbies.

[River]

Originally Posted by Gilbert Syndrome

Its amazing that all of the people in that room are officially classed as "grown-ups..." Part of me hopes they do find Bigfoot, maybe then they'll sprout those missing pubic hairs and get better hobbies.

One of the best parts about that video is: The only applause I noticed was at the mention of "willy parcher and kitakaze". Magical moment.

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Originally Posted by River

One of the best parts about that video is: The only applause I noticed was at the mention of "willy parcher and kitakaze". Magical moment.

Haha, I also liked how he pretended not to know the name of this website... He's almost a decent enough actor to be starring in an episode of Mrs. Marple.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by kitakaze

Wolf...
http://www.cougarcorridor.com/wordpr.../loup-tue2.jpg

Go ahead and drink the gov't kool-aid, man! Can't you see the surgical precision with which that wolf's internal organs have been removed? "Natural causes" my Aunt Fanny!

[The Shrike]

Recent BFF post without a hint of irony:

"The mud throwers have to try and discourage noobs who come into the forum from becoming one of his fans.

We love Jeffrey..... We love Jeffrey....... We love Jeffrey...... We love Jeffrey"

[LTC8K6]

Originally Posted by The Shrike

Recent BFF post without a hint of irony:

"The mud throwers have to try and discourage noobs who come into the forum from becoming one of his fans.

We love Jeffrey..... We love Jeffrey....... We love Jeffrey...... We love Jeffrey"

The believers have to try and get the noobs to look the other way, lest they see the truth.

We love Science..... We love Science....... We love Science..... We love Science

[mikeyx]

Originally Posted by The Shrike

Recent BFF post without a hint of irony:

"The mud throwers have to try and discourage noobs who come into the forum from becoming one of his fans.

We love Jeffrey..... We love Jeffrey....... We love Jeffrey...... We love Jeffrey"

Sad but true. Even though we disagree on the larger issue, Meldrum worship helps nothing. Neither do some of the other star-squatchers deserve the idol worship they recieve. No body, no glory.

[William Parcher]

Meldrum has started a new online scientific journal for Bigfoot and other cryptohominoids with himself as Editor.

The Relict Hominoid Inquiry

Quote:

The objective of the RHI is to promote research and provide a venue for the dissemination of scholarly peer-reviewed papers evaluating the possible existence and nature of relict hominoid species around the world.

A strictly on-line publication consists of a journal and biannual newsletter. The journal will contain primarily Research Articles with Commentary, as well as Letters & Responses, Brief Communications, Essays, News & Views, and Book Reviews. The webpage is hosted by the ISU server with the cooperation and assistance of Instructional Technology Resource Center (ITRC).

An editorial board, consisting of Ph.D.s or other-wise qualified professionals, is responsible for assisting with manuscript editing and reviewing in their respective area(s) of experience and expertise; assist in identifying willing, objective, and reputable outside reviewers and commentators; suggest appropriate topical areas to be addressed by the RHI journal and newsletter, and invite/solicit submissions to that end.

Editorial Board:

John Bindernagel, PhD
Todd Disotell, PhD
Colin Groves, PhD
Walter Hartwig, PhD
Chris Loether, PhD
Jeffrey McNeely, PhD
John Mionczynski
Anna Nekaris, PhD
Ian Redmond, PhD, OBE
Christopher Whittier, DVM, PhD
Zhou Guoxing, PhD

[parnassus]

Originally Posted by William Parcher

Meldrum has started a new online scientific journal for Bigfoot and other cryptohominoids with himself as Editor.

The Relict Hominoid Inquiry




Editorial Board:

John Bindernagel, PhD
Todd Disotell, PhD
Colin Groves, PhD
Walter Hartwig, PhD
Chris Loether, PhD
Jeffrey McNeely, PhD
John Mionczynski
Anna Nekaris, PhD
Ian Redmond, PhD, OBE
Christopher Whittier, DVM, PhD
Zhou Guoxing, PhD

"Inquiring" Bigfoot? I guess Renae will be a reviewer.
Seriously that title is a real struggle. Inquiry??!! No valid studies/results required. Just write about your "inquiry." I knew there would be a replacement for World News Daily. Sub-title: A Promotion Vehicle for Jeff Meldrum.
Just when I thought we had this idea of hominoids licked, now it has to be
"re-lict"?

[idoubtit]

I added this link to my news site http://doubtfulnews.wordpress.com/ (sort of in Beta cause I don't know if I want to keep it). I gave Parcher credit.

If you get any more cool cryptid news, or any juicy stuff on anomalies, UFOs etc., I'd appreciate if you drop me a link there. As someone already commented to me, it's better than Cryptomundo -- all clean, like an Apple store.

[LTC8K6]

So they can peer review their own papers now?

[William Parcher]

Some of the Editorial Board are known Bigfoot believers.

This may be a move to exclude the use of the terms Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Yeti, etc.

"Evidence for a Relict Hominoid in Kentucky"

[AlaskaBushPilot]

It's actually quite logical. Lacking peer-review validation, make up your own.

Meldrum is actually doing something quite valuable, but not in the way he thinks. He's a study in the pathology of the deluded.

My wife put on a show last night where Meldrum looked so reasonable and collected while having it demonstrated how a man in a suit can mimick the Patty walk. Unfettered though, he said it had no effect on his belief that Patty is a sasquatch. He even stated that claims of a hoax had "no credibility".

Let's just highlight that cognative dissonance: we just made you admit it can be hoaxed. Did you listen to yourself?

I was disappointed that the show didn't bother to mention that Greg Long had identified both the costume-maker (Morris), and the actor (Heironimus) as well as the background on Patterson. The reason for concealing that information and in place of that having Meldrum's quote about a hoax story having "no credibility" is to foster the illusion of an unresolved controversy. Gee, look how we showed "both sides" of the controversy. Really, honestly, We didn't think it mattered whether the suitmaker and actor are known. How could that affect people's view of the controversy and their willingness to listen through twinkie commercials?

[The Shrike]

Well I'm just going to have to submit some analysis about all the fieldwork I've done that hasn't produced a bigfoot and see if they'll publish it. Odds are this nonsense will have a higher impact factor than the journals in which I normally publish.

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Well, yes - what he (they) deserve is a hoax paper. We should call it the Cinderella Project. Kind of a play on words, because it doesn't turn into a pumpkin at midnight: it burns the place to cinders.

Obviously it has to come from a person who cannot be associated with this forum.

[LTC8K6]

No, just submit a real paper that's skeptical...

That will tell us all we need to know about this journal.

[RioBravo]

I know you guys probably don't share this opinion, but I'm hopeful this will create a meaningful dialogue.

Bigfoot proponents won't be able to claim they haven't been given a fair shake by ivory-tower scientists and skeptics wont have to put up with ridiculous programs like Finding Bigfoot if they want to entertain the claim that this creature exists.

It's a win-win!

[LTC8K6]

Originally Posted by RioBravo

I know you guys probably don't share this opinion, but I'm hopeful this will create a meaningful dialogue.

Bigfoot proponents won't be able to claim they haven't been given a fair shake by ivory-tower scientists and skeptics wont have to put up with ridiculous programs like Finding Bigfoot if they want to entertain the claim that this creature exists.

It's a win-win!

I doubt skeptics will be able to participate in any meaningful way.

[River]

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

So they can peer review their own papers now?

Makes perfect sense. They cant get a real objective review, so lets make our own. The footers would eat it up. Also, right about now they need some type of "review" to validate the ketchup spills, err ketchum samples. If it aint gonna be dont in a popular journal, then why not right?

Also... do yu think maybe Meldrum has received any grants from involved parties with those samples? Anyone on that board? Interesting indeed.

Gotta stick together in these things ya know? ©Bigfooter rulebook.

:-P

Regardless of any motives, I'd still love to see Meldrum properly debated about bigfoot. I dont think I've seen him post much in a public dialogue.

[River]

Remind me never to post from my phone again haha.

[HarryHenderson]

Originally Posted by River

...Regardless of any motives, I'd still love to see Meldrum properly debated about bigfoot. I dont think I've seen him post much in a public dialogue.

Me too. The notion Meldrum continually and deliberately pretends to be 'above the fray' is more than enough to convince me it's not an oversight he hasn't quite 'gotten around' to participating in any kind of 'public' debate/discussion/discourse/dialogue concerning Bigfoot - with or without 'skeptical' input. His excuse to the public for not doing so is probably along the lines of 'too busy, no time', but that doesn't really fly given there's ample if not vivid proof he's Bigfoot's Johnny-on-the-spot when he's getting paid to do it.

While at one time I thought he was just stupid (and he still could be), that's a bit of a stretch given he does have a Ph.D. He's at least smart enough to know - given the pathetic state of affairs regarding in-hand Bigfoot evidence - his engaging in such beyond just a few 'softballs' would be deadly as it would surely kill his Bigfoot credibility along with the all-important Gravy Train™.

If a goal of having a college degree is future profitability (with the higher the degree, the higher the profits) - and for most of us it's something akin to if not exactly that - he's long accomplished that goal in having 'profited' handsomely from his Doctor of Philosophy diploma being used to perpetuate a seeming (but not actual) 'scientific mystery'. Too bad for him it was done at the expense of, oh I don't know, HONESTY and INTEGRITY.

ABP has been prolifically and masterfully writing of late about deceptive, dishonest, manipulative CON MEN, of which I believe Meldrum is one. His shtick, his bit, his true stock-in-trade is his diploma, not his intelligence, insight or savvy. None of which I've ever seen actually come from him in any discernible, quantifiable way anyway. Has he ever said anything concerning Bigfoot that anyone else couldn't have said? That only a person with a Ph.D in Anthropology could have said?

Although it's a cinch Bigfoot will never be disproven, it's all gonna come back to bite Meldrum in the ass if given enough time. I believe he thinks he'll be able to pull it off because, of course, Bigfoot is never going to show up in his lifetime. And he knows it. He's so much better off doing almost nothing ProBigfooty™ except keeping his supposed 'good name' and 'diploma' clean so as to always be the go-to-guy TV producers seek (and pay real monies to) when developing yet another re-hash of the same old tired Bigfoot arguments. It's not his passion or his 'holy grail', it's his business, and that's where you'll find the real motivations for what he does or doesn't say and do.

ETA reminder to River: Don't post from your phone.

[Correa Neto]

Some random comments...

This new journal will be just like the Journal of Scientific Exploration, where BTW, Meldrum published one of his bigfoot papers (http://www.scientificexploration.org..._1_meldrum.pdf). Behold, below, JSE's goals:

Originally Posted by http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/

Since 1987, the JSE has published original research on consciousness, quantum and biophysics, unexplained aerial phenomena, alternative medicine, new energy, sociology, psychology, and much more.

A publication linked to the Society of Scientific Exploration, whose goals, below stated, also sound quite close to an attempt to legitimate pseudoscience, by offering a place to expose and discuss fringe subjects.

Originally Posted by http://www.scientificexploration.org/

The primary goal of the international Society for Scientific Exploration (SSE) is to provide a professional forum for presentations, criticism, and debate concerning topics which are for various reasons ignored or studied inadequately within mainstream science. A secondary goal is to promote improved understanding of those factors that unnecessarily limit the scope of scientific inquiry, such as sociological constraints, restrictive world views, hidden theoretical assumptions, and the temptation to convert prevailing theory into prevailing dogma.

Nothing but an outlet free of rigid peer-review where pseudo and bad science articles are published. Yes, footers will buy it (in both senses) and present its articles to skeptics as "peer-reviewed aritcles" proving bigfoots are real. Like the other papers from Meldrum on bogfoot, they will most likely be easilly shot down.

This put, I expect to see articles from the Russian "hominology" experts, stuff with the infamous Gaussian of alleged bifgoot footprint casts, and Bill Munns' work on PGF; in other words, more of the same.

Meanwhile I suggest Drew to rescue from the depths of his data storage devices his list of what bigfoots do and publish it under a pompous title like: Discourse on Sasquatch Behaviour as Inferred from Observational Evidence - Breaking the Neotextual Paradigm of Consensus".

[William Parcher]

Originally Posted by HarryHenderson

...he hasn't quite 'gotten around' to participating in any kind of 'public' debate/discussion/discourse/dialogue concerning Bigfoot - with or without 'skeptical' input...

That isn't strictly true. He had a televised roundtable discussion last year. You can read about it in this thread starting on page 10.

Quote:

Science is increasingly recognizing that past Homo sapiens shared the planet with other upright walking primates. As recently as 20,000 years ago there were four or more other species of Homo coexisting across Asia, plus a number of species of large apes, according to participating panel members. Could the survival of some of these into the present have spawned the stories of the yeti, the sasquatch, and the orang pendek?

Last October, Meldrum met in Montreal with four other accomplished scholars for a roundtable discussion of this very possibility. The theme was relic man-like creatures around the globe.

Meldrum was joined by Jack Rink, geochemist, McMaster University, who has dated numerous hominid sites, including cave deposits bearing Gigantopithecus fossils; Anna Nekaris, primatologist, Oxford Brookes University, who specializes in nocturnal southeast Asian primates; William Sellars, computational zoologist, University of Manchester, who models primate locomotion and the evolution of bipedalism; and Ian Redmond, tropical biologist and conservationist, best known for his work with the mountain gorillas.

The panel of five considered the pervasive and persistent reports of unrecognized man-like creatures from remote forested corners of the globe and weighed the evidence for their existence. "It was personally gratifying to hear my colleagues objectively evaluate the footprints, hair samples and sightings as serious evidence; to see their intrigue mount as they contemplated its implications," Meldrum said.

Two of the participants (Nekaris and Redmond) are now on his new Editorial Board.

[William Parcher]

Originally Posted by River

Also... do yu think maybe Meldrum has received any grants from involved parties with those samples? Anyone on that board? Interesting indeed.

We know that Adrian Erickson (Regal Ridge Real Estate and Erickson Bigfoot Project) has given him money, but he is not on the new board...

Jeffrey Meldrum, Project Title: Three-Dimensional Virtualization of Footprints, Fund Agency Name: Regal Ridge, Total Award: $ 4545.00 http://www.isu.edu/healthmission/research.shtml

Originally Posted by HarryHenderson

Has he ever said anything concerning Bigfoot that anyone else couldn't have said? That only a person with a Ph.D in Anthropology could have said?

"Mid-tarsal break"?

[Correa Neto]

I am forced to say post-graduation titles are not vaccines against saying and doing dumb things. Yes, includes personal experiences. But please discard them as anecdotes!

Got a link to that pannel, WP?

[William Parcher]

Originally Posted by Correa Neto

Got a link to that pannel, WP?

Bigfoot: The Definitive Guide (Part 1 of 6).

[Correa Neto]

OK, thanks!

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by William Parcher

That isn't strictly true.

"As recently as 20,000 years ago there were four or more other species of Homo coexisting across Asia, plus a number of species of large apes, according to participating panel members."

What the heck? I suppose if one recognizes Homo floresiensis as a legitimate species, that's one that would've been around so recently. But I don't know of any evidence that Neanderthals persisted more recently than about 30,000 years ago, and Homo erectus doesn't seem to have lasted much more recently than about 400,000 years ago.

The article begins with a matter-of-fact statement that there were at least 5 species of extant Homo just 20,000 years ago. Either somebody forgot to add another zero, or that panel discussion was doomed from the start.

[idoubtit]

Oddly enough, this is a noticeable problem. Everyone and their brother starts their own advocacy journal.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...nce?CMP=twt_gu

[HarryHenderson]

Originally Posted by Correa Neto

...publish it under a pompous title like: Discourse on Sasquatch Behaviour as Inferred from Observational Evidence - Breaking the Neotextual Paradigm of Consensus".

Comedy gold!

Originally Posted by William Parcher

That isn't strictly true. He had a televised roundtable discussion last year. You can read about it in this thread starting on page 10.

Two of the participants (Nekaris and Redmond) are now on his new Editorial Board.

Yer right. I happened to catch that show too - I don't catch many - and it was a joke that wasn't funny. The 'discussion' seemed to be presented in the context that Bigfoot is a 'known quantity'. And that Redmond dude seems to be straight out of central casting.

Originally Posted by William Parcher

..."Mid-tarsal break"?

Okay fine. Actually I thought about that as I was posting, but given the disguised-but-still-real stupidity of such a 'theory', it seemed a stronger point just leaving it as it was. What I've never understood was where exactly he got that 'notion' as it relates to Bigfoot. Supposedly it's an arboreal 'evolutionary adaptation' in certain primates going way back. Which is all the more curious given that every cast/print I've ever seen (that was attributed to Bigfoot) seems to depict a seriously FLAT FOOTED Navy reject. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing the prints that supposedly inspired Meldrum to emit this MTB brain fart.

Okay I'm waffling, but he really is stupid huh?!

Originally Posted by idoubtit

Oddly enough, this is a noticeable problem. Everyone and their brother starts their own advocacy journal.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...nce?CMP=twt_gu

Based on that article, what Meldrum's doing isn't so out of line I guess. I have zero knowledge of how the peer-review/publish 'bit' actually works, but it seems more biased and less dispassionate than I've probably thought.

[Correa Neto]

Originally Posted by HarryHenderson

Comedy gold!

Blame it on the post modern text generator! Just run it twice and blended the "article" titles, adding the words "Sasquatch Behaviour".

OT comment- I once made a copypasta from a text created by the post modern generator, changed the "feminism", "marxism" or whatever other "-ism" by UFOlogy and posted it at an UFO thread. One of our resident UFOlogists actually replied to it, managing to somehow see arguments, content, logic within a meaningless text generated by an algorithm run on someone's PC. Pattern-hunting within a meaningless word salad. Not unlike some blobfoot analysis, eh?

I bet some footers would do the same if words like "sasquatch" and "cryptozoology" were used...

[Correa Neto]

BTW, I checked the "documentary" at WP's linkie thingie.

Well, it was not, IMHO, a propper evaluation pannel, at least not what was shown there on screen. It was one more selling pseudoscience show pretending, masquerading itself as a "ballanced" presentation, showing both sides of the coin.

Make no mistake. Giving the same value to crap and gold is not "being ballanced"; its snake oil sales business. That show where he had to face a guy duplicating the "Patty walk" was way closer to a truly ballanced exposition.

I think the correct (using HH's words- too lazy to type I am now) 'public' debate/discussion/discourse/dialogue concerning Bigfoot with 'skeptical' input would be publishing articles at good peer-reviewed scientific journals. Paper-discussion-reply. This, and nothing less, is what I expect from someone in Meldrum's position. Everyting else is nothing but propaganda and poor amateurish works.